Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA, GAME OVER

[Elbirn]

Evening all, game started while I was at work, just got caught up.

VOTE: BP

[Elbirn]

Watching the interaction between Fire and the DQ.

And?

I'm having a hard time deciding which is Town and which is Scum.

It almost looks like Scum trying to distance.

This post does not give me the warm and fuzzies.
"I'm having a hard time deciding...."
"It almost looks like..."

Quantifying, flip floppy language that doesn't take a definitive stance. And then ended with lightly suggesting that both of them are scum. Gross.

[Elbirn]

@Every1: Level of mafia experience? Experienced with close setup/bastard games?

This our second non-newbie and first bastard game(played a few newbies, cpl recently, and 1 around a year ago, and another around a year before that.) Also first time with closed setup as our other non-newbie game was at least semi-open.

First lemme indulge this

My wiki page is mostly updated, however, Rick and morty mafia should still be listed as in progress, it is now finished. I've also played 1 marathon game in the meantime and have 1 other game in progress besides this one. I'd both update my wiki and grab a link to my other game, but I am permanently phone bound and frankly can't be fucked to do so. ^_^ so yeah anyway that'll give you the info you're looking for. Unless you want a quick summary which is thus: tldr, I've played about 10 games. Won like 2 of them. Also, this is my first bastard game, unless ika's Russian roulette counts.

Now then
please tell us what you hope to achieve with this question, because I'm guessing it's a blivet of fuckall and youre scum trying to look like you're doing something. I Fact your whole iso reads like that, it's fluff and pointless questions.

[Elbirn]

Changing vote after talking to neighbor a bit.

VOTE: BP

I don't think he is scum, ill analyze him more later. Going to give more reads on people later. Right now I am off to bed.

.....if you don't think he's scum then why are you voting him?

Your votes in the right place but I don't understand *why*.

You guys misplayed the whole neighbor thing in my opinion. That probably makes Fire town.

Beeeecaaauuusseeee...?

[Elbirn]

I sure wish I could vote bp and yukari both.

Also
pokerface why don't you known the name of the town alignment? Who are the royal mafia?

[Elbirn]

Beeeecaaauuusseeee...?

I can see someone unfamiliar with this place acting like he did in response to needling questions. Plus, a scum+town neighborhood is odd.
Part of the power of neighborhoods is to quietly coordinate power. It is also a good tactic to try and draw the nightkill by "trusting" your neighbor and "outting" your role to them in the hopes of drawing a nightkill as a regular neighbor or whatever.

I love neighborhoods. Especially neighborhoods that have power roles in them.

Actually, reading this again. What do you mean when you say a town/scum neighborhood is odd? Because I'd assume neighborhoods have scum in them, that's why they're not masonrys. Plus later you suggest tactics that....only make sense with scum as neighbors. I'm confused.

[Elbirn]

Also, strong town read on Elbirn.

Is this mainly because he agrees with you about Klingon or do you have other reasons for feeling this way?

Overall vibes, plus that.

I'm also coming around to a pretty strong towni read on you as well.



Want to form a voting bloc? Me, you, Elbirn, Drama Queens?

What does this mean and why do it?
also why did you not include alchemist? You said earlier that he was town.

[Elbirn]

I think he's townish, just not as much as us four.

It means that we all decide as one giant hydra who to vote, and we have a four-vote swing, whatever we decide, and that we all vote with each other.

I can honestly say that I see zero value in that.

Like I guess someone popping into the thread to see 4 votes on then all of a sudden could make them sweat, maybe, if theyre a noob, but fuck man, I don't wanna conform to the viewpoints of others, I'm me. I am the master of my destiny, I am the captain of my soul.

Honestly this just sounds like you tryna control other people's votes and has moved you back to my null pile after having some initial good vibes on you.

Oh, fluff time! You should get an avatar. Give us a face with the name. It helps. To me at least. If nothing else it'll satisfy my ocd.

[Elbirn]

Watching the interaction between Fire and the DQ.

And?

I'm having a hard time deciding which is Town and which is Scum.

It almost looks like Scum trying to distance.

This post does not give me the warm and fuzzies.
"I'm having a hard time deciding...."
"It almost looks like..."

Quantifying, flip floppy language that doesn't take a definitive stance. And then ended with lightly suggesting that both of them are scum. Gross.

Keep reading. A few posts later it's revealed that they're in a Neighborhood.

So they are able to talk away from the rest of us, but they aren't Scum. They're neighbors. It's cool.

That's nice, but it's not about them, it's about your initial stance on it. I dont like it. Now Im confused as to why you seemingly missed my point, or, ignored it and said some words to make it go away.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klingkncelt

[Elbirn]

Why fish for his flavor role?

[Elbirn]

Townread for yukari questioning someone for town reading them.

Also yukari, I mildly object to your intent to declare intent, on the grounds that there are still 11 days left this day phase.

I don't have enough scumreads. Someone point me towards a scumshit.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Klingon

claim time

Da hell was this oversoul?

[Elbirn]

...why are we running someone up to l-1 when they're not even here.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pokerface

[Elbirn]

Oh my self-centered little drama queen heart loves that this page is all me right now.

I like skull-dug grey, alchemist, and oversoul for town. Leaning township on firebringer or at least not group scum.

VOTE: klingon

Need to talk to Mara about others, and pk does concern me with the hero/royal thing but I'm not completely sold on scum there.

mmmm...

I would move my neighbor to probably town, maybe keep klingoncelt where he is, move down Zakk, move Xtom to town and question the skull town read that you have there.

Talk to me about Skullduggery. What happened in between these two posts that changed your read?

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Firebringer

Gnight everyone

[Elbirn]

I feel less strongly about Elbirn town. He is moving his vote around a lot.

Doesn't matter, votes on scum.

No but really I voted klingon, realized she was vla and voting her was pointless, voted pokerface, reread pokerface and realized he was town, read what he said about firebird and realized he was scum.

Not sure how to feel about zakk defending me here.

[Elbirn]

Not sold on Klingon being town

Nah she's town, I believe she's Honey.

Say what they will about me, but I always spot a bitch, Klingoncelt!

[Elbirn]

...why are we running someone up to l-1 when they're not even here.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pokerface

I feel less strongly about Elbirn town. He is moving his vote around a lot.

Doesn't matter, votes on scum.

No but really I voted klingon, realized she was vla and voting her was pointless, voted pokerface, reread pokerface and realized he was town, read what he said about firebird and realized he was scum.

Not sure how to feel about zakk defending me here.

PokerFace was v/la when you voted him. Did you realize that?

Would you also explain your Townread on Pokerface for us, and why the read was strong enough to switch your vote to firebringer?

I did not realize, no.

I then read pokerface and realized the only scummy thing he did was supposedly not know towns alignment was hero, which was false, and everything else looked...okay. His voting of varsoon looked like inquisitive town. His push against firebringer is for good reasons that I read over and found I agreed with.

[Elbirn]

Let's not continue this circlejerk plzthnx

Pedit: uh, no he isn't.
I also highly doubt he is scum, and I trust my judgement more than yours. though, dead scum neighbor. But I would also like a living townie neighbor more than a dead townie neighbor more, I think to be willing to take the risk.

Can you go over your firebringer town read? Cuz so far it's either him or zakk getting my vote.

[Elbirn]

Yo actually wait what the hell just happened here

Zakk, what happened that changed your stance from "lynch firebringer hes obvscum" to "oh well I guess pokerface is okay let's get him".

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Zakk

I'm mildly drunk so no more posting tonight. I just want this out there. His flip-flop towards pokerface by day end was shitty and j think it was a bus.

[Elbirn]

....I don't know why that quoted I didn't select it or anything. I repeat the quotes are not relevant and if varsoon loves me hell just delete em

Only because you evoked the power of love.

[Elbirn]

Sorry zakk I just think you're scummy and I don't like your flop onto pokerface yesterday and I think you bussed. I can elaborate when I'm sober and can think

[Elbirn]

Also heartless makes me sad because I had a pretty strong town read on those two and I like them secretly ;_;

[Elbirn]

See I think klingon is confirmed town because why would poker thrown shit at a team mate to avoid being lynched

But why would he not vote for klingon at l-1 and why does *that* make her town

I mean I'm all for klingon town but I want to know why people tho k things. Cuz I'd think scum would want to vote town st l-1

[Elbirn]

Drama queen

Talk to us about skull digger

It will please me

[Elbirn]

Nah bp is toen

[Elbirn]

Well duh
^_^

[Elbirn]

Skull, is there anyone else in your neighborhood? why didn't you guys claim it when we outted ours?

Been gone for a few days, nice to be back playing.

Anyways, so Heartless was Meow huh. And there is another neighborhood?

Hmmm I wonder if the Neighborhood name indicates alignment?

Our neighborhood is named Jaicro Empire. I am guessing the Aloha is full of town. The Gogol Empire probably has a neighborhood and is the evil were are looking for.

Going off of votes alone I would say BP is most scum just by voting pattern.

So thats my vote:
VOTE: BP

Where are you getting the other neighborhood?

Oh I guess it would be helpful to look at the flipped role pms.

Okay so
what?

[Elbirn]

You claim skulls in a neighborhood when he doesn't say anything about a neighborhood

And then you suddenly don't know there's another neighborhood aside from yours

And just
neither of these things make sense

[Elbirn]

Ugh I h8 hydras
fine you check out

[Elbirn]

Been away all day and just reading through the new posts. I wasn't going to name anyone, but since we're on the subject I touched on before, I believe that both xtoxm and skull are neighbors to Heartless. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, if flavor is alignment indicative in this game, then all the neighbors to Heartless should be Town.

Why do you think they're his neighbors?
why do you think they'd all be town? Don't you think mod could/would randomize alignment? Clearly the roles would be the other ship mates if the aloha oe but does that mean they're all town?

[Elbirn]

HEY ITS'A'GOODA SHOW

You are the best person.

[Elbirn]

So.....what, you're claiming lynch proof?

[Elbirn]

Nope. I'm saying town REALLY DOESN'T WANT TO MISLYNCH me.

And I'm sure there are some townies on my wagon
And I'm also sure that scum can't lynch me by themselves.

Therefore, if I'm lynched, town is reeeeally dumb, and I have more faith in this town than that, seeing as we (even without me) lynched scum Day 1.

So you're a negative utility to town by being lynched. That doesn't make you conf town at all. All I'm getting out of this is that if there's a day vig, now would be a really good time to kill you.

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DramaQueens

[Elbirn]

I liek skull. S/he's a pretty cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything.

But hey shit posting mode off, I don't like that, from my pov, a lot of your response to skull was "DISCREDIT DISCREDIT DISCREDIT". Maybe I'll change my tune when you engage the points like you promised, but I felt bad mojo from your last few posts.

Also it kinda helps that I agreed with skull re: you hammering pokerface.

But maybe I'm just a dickbag, I'll go reread what skull said and see if I see what you see

[Elbirn]

Well that's the thing, it's not like it was some derp hammer. Let's say you're scum. You hammer pokerface. He flips dr. Gel. "Well golly, why would I do that if I were scum when he was dear leader and could have negated his own lynch".

That's like....max town cred, unless someone is crazy enough to question it. On paper it's a good bus. Which is precisely why it needs to be questioned.

Pedit: "it doesn't make sense to suspect us both" is precisely why scum could get away with it. Talks of what scum will or won't do just results in us all drowning in wine.

Skull might have twisted it to an extent, but making the implication that it's not possible for both of you to be scum *is* reaching for town cred for the both of you.

[Elbirn]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe skull said anything about firebringer? Even if he (she? No really I'm confused) did, it is totally valid to suspect you both independently.

[Elbirn]

I want Zakk's head on a pike, but I see a wagon starting to form on Drama Queens and...and I just can't help myself.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Drama Queens

So, skully baybee, how do you feel about voting for DQ alongside your other prime suspect, Zakk?

[Elbirn]

^ elaborate?

[Elbirn]

I don't think Alchemist would be confused/speculate about Dairy Queen's potential Dr. Gel soft if he knew that they were not Dr. Gel/not softing that role. Additionally, Dr. Gel has flipped so we know that the role was scum.

I just read both of their early posts. There is, imo, zero possibility they're both scum. Would require alchemist to fake not knowing DQ isn't gel, and would require alchemist to fake not knowing Firebringer matters to DQ because neighbors, and then use both of those things to fake a read on DQ. And I just don't see it, it's too many mental hoops for scum-alchemist to have to jump through to feign a different mindset and I don't see it happening.

Alchemist is town, and you deserve a cookie for showing me the way.

[Elbirn]

Ugh site lag so bad

Hopefully this post goes through and I don't die.

I'm a 1 shot day vig. Therefore confirmable town. As proof, I looked off of pf's wagon, realized damn near everyone but yukari as town because *reasons*, and I don't think both scum would bus, and so I'm taking a shot at him. It was either that or one of xtoxm/dq/firebringer to try to get the scum on the wagon. And there was zakk as well but frankly, idfk anymore. I was more confident doing this.

Varsy-baybee, show me dat flip!

Day Vig: Yukari

[Elbirn]

Why are you vigging him before he answered my question?

Because I have no recollection of your question

I don't think I can un-vig either

[Elbirn]

Well it was either him or you.

[Elbirn]

Have I mentioned I don't think I like being vig very much?

I mean if he's scum I'll go "aha! I told you so!"

Bit otherwise I owe you all an apology, particularly alchemist. If j hadn't have been playing so poorly this game I wouldn't have gotten run up, and I'd I hadn't have gotten run up I probably would have kept sitting on that vig shot the whole game...

Also fuck autocorrect for not working when I want it to and fucking up all my words when I don't want it to

[Elbirn]

Dude what

Like if you're town and I vigged you, sorry

But unless you believe in scum day viggers, you just played anti win con on purpose because you're mad.

In conclusion fuck you

[Elbirn]

Nah oversoul is prob town. Klingon is Def town.

So what does sabotage do? I must know. For justice.

[Elbirn]

And why is Oversoul town

Good vibes and sun shine all over him mane. In recent history, I like his effectively clearing alchemist.

[Elbirn]

Waiiit, sabotage is you kill someone at l-2, because if yes I'm dead

Like holy fucking fuck you dude

[Elbirn]

Yeah that's it I'm dead

I vig yukari
zakk goes nope, cancels vig
yukari effectively vigs me

Gg losers I'm gonna go be sad and mad

[Elbirn]

So

I'm Space dandy. I'm in the aloha oe neoghborhood with skull and bp.

Bp is some how also space dandy? We think he's the chameleolian, either way he confirmed has the same role pm as me. When we both claimed it we went at each others throats for a bit, but then he was smart and crumbled a bit of our role pm...and then I crumbed a bit more. And so on, back and forth, until it was apparent that yes we are both dandy and we have the same role card and are both therefore town.

So bp is town.

I was actually a 1 shot vig 1 shot cop. I used my cop on klingon. Klingon is innocent.

Toodles

[Elbirn]

Idk, I've yet to see an SK in a mini theme? Granted j don't have too much experience. Either way I can't see him being an anti town role because why would you give anti town a free day 0 role cop on the main character? He's definitely town being lied to about his role, he knew all of my abilities and their quirks. That or he didn't tell us he was a back up.

[Elbirn]

It's 6 to to lynch.

Also, no more hammers without claims please.

We can lynch someone at L-2.

?

[Elbirn]

So there was an episode of space dandy where the gang does their dandiest to catch an alien called the chameleolian. It gets on board the ship and true to its name is a whacky shape shifter who can become anyone or anything. Towards the end of the episode he turns into a copy of space dandy and some "but who's the real dandy!" Hijinks ensue. They eventually make peace with it and accept that there are now two space dandies. Until Dr gel kidnaps the wrong dandy by accident and then more hijinks ensue.

Tldr is town.

[Elbirn]

Lel the last page was opened at work and now my coworkers think I'm gay cuz they were snooping through my phone, thanks guys

[Elbirn]

"How did you manage to capture this alien when everyone else forgets that they've ever even seen it?"

-Scarlet

"Well obviously, baby; I've forgotten that."

-Dandy

VOTECOUNT 1.12, LYNCH!

Pokerface (

LYNCH

):

Heartless, Xtoxm, Alchemist21, Oversoul, Skullduggery, Firebringer, Drama Queens

Firebringer (3):

Pokerface, Yukari, Elbirn

zakk (1):

Klingoncelt

Not Voting (2):

BP, zakk

With 13 Alive, it took 7 to Lynch.
Flip and Flavor coming soon.

Elbirn - Why did you "dayvig" yukari instead of say the person you're voting? And when asked about it, how come you said that it was either yukari or zakk? Why not us?

So, let's do some analysis.

I wanted to do a vig. And I am not a man of hubris. I know my opinions can be wrong. So I go with cold hard math instead.

I looked at this wagon, and decided that there's no way both scum bus in this situation with Dr gel. At most one does. So there should be one scum off the wagon.

Pokerface
yukari
elbirn
Klingoncelt
bp
zakk

Pf is pf so no shit he's dead, I'm me, Klingoncelt is confirmed innocent thanks to my cop shot, BP is conf town.

Yukari
Zakk

^ those are my options after eliminating the impossible. Either both scum bussed, or one of those two is scum. Which do you find more likely?
Honestly this should be some thing to press even harder.

Anyway, I have a 50/50 shot the way I see it, so I shoot. Zakk has me confused on his alignment with his ton javrolta shtick which seems mod confirmed, so I go for the last option.
----

Now, dq, I could have tried a shot ON the wagon to find the scum that bussed, but the odds were worse here.

Heartless
xtoxm
alchemist
oversoul
Skullduggery
Firebringer
drama Queens

Heartless died so eliminate them....and that's it. I'm left with 6 pepole that I have various degrees of scum/town reads on but none of them are clear one way or the other to me.

[Elbirn]

Elbirn, did you receive any confirmation from Varsoon that your Vig shot was expended? Also, did you also receive any confirmation that you now require one fewer vote to be lynched?

Looks like that shots gone I'm afraid, zappy-gun bullets cost too many woolongs apparently. Now confirmation on the lynch thing though.

[Elbirn]

*No

[Elbirn]

So here's the deal with BP.

1. He can't be scum. He knew my role pm. All of it. Every detail. You're telling me Varsoon gave scum a Day 0 role cop on the Dandy himself?

2. I can't see him being 3rd party. Thats, what, serial killer or survivor? If he's serial killer, where's the N1 kill from him? If he's survivor, then what's the motivation for even bothering him? He was told he was town, ergo he's town. This game is bastard in mechanics, not in anti-fun maximum trollitude.

3. We've pretty much come to the conclusion that bp is vanilla. The one of us that is the chameleolian would have to be vanilla because otherwise we have double vigs and double cop shots between us, and a neighborhood of all town? We could p.o.e. the game day 1 with that.

That said, I encourage bp to attempt a vig or cop shot at someone just to prove this, provided zakk will fuck off. Which he won't. I'm actually really uncomfortable with him running shit here, and no dq if I had shot him he would have stopped that too

[Elbirn]

I'd say maximum anti fun would be being told you're town when you're not.

Considering we started in a neighborhood together and knew each others role and could surmise based on flavor that only one of us was real, I'd say it's fair. It's bastard but it's not anti-fun

[Elbirn]

^ see dis guy gets it

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So zakk, who AM I allowed to shoot?

[Elbirn]

Hm. And what about firebringer?

Also why not yukari again?

[Elbirn]

@skull, I don't have the time to find and link it. But you propose alchemist scum. What do you think of his early interactions with DQ and proposing she was Dr gel? Check back a few pages, Oversoul pointed it out and j agreed it pointed to alchemist town.

@DQ: I can't tell you, but there was a reason for klingon being picked. Rest assured it made sense.

[Elbirn]

Shut up zakk.

[Elbirn]

Shut up zakk.

sorry

It's okay.

Can I shoot firebringer?

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

[Elbirn]

Neither dandy is scum.

Who claimed adelie?

Also does no one but me believe that one of zakk/yukari must be scum?

VOTE: Yukari

[Elbirn]

Oh cripes I forgot, but I'm vla starting tomorrow until Thursday because I need a vacation from life and am therefore wandering into the mountains and never returning

And by that I mean I'm going to the poconos for a week with some friends.

V/la until 7/31

[Elbirn]

You play admirably for a mobile only player

<3

What am I

Chopped liver?

[Elbirn]

Alright guys it's zakk today

VOTE: Zakk

Line him up. Negative utility, shitty stance towards pokerface, wouldn't let me shoot his scum buddy yukari. This is today's lynch, it's the dandy thing to do.

I'll see you all in like 5 days or something idk

V/LA until 7/30

[Elbirn]

Zakk that is the worst reasoning I've seen. Oversoul is town, go away.

[Elbirn]

@BP
@Elbirn
@Skullduggery -

Did Heartless say anything about their role in the neighborhood?

*corrected

All they claimed was flavor, not anything about their role.

Oh, yeah Turns out theirs WiFi jn the mountains. I'll check in sporadically.

[Elbirn]

On my phone so can't give huge wall just wanna say I think skull and Salk and SQL slot are hundred percent town.

Elbirn or BP are scum I think BP
Alchemist I had good town vibe now I am unsure of maybe scum

Yukari is null prolly town

King might be scum too not sold on his claim it was obvious we recruited over soul

No opinion on over soul

Firebringer confirmed for not even reading the game.

I and BP are conf town, as is Klingon who we have a cop innocent on.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: BP

You people aren't reading a word I'm saying are you

[Elbirn]

We hear you, we just don't agree with you.

Congratulations, you are willfully wrong.

Bp is not getting lynched today or any day. Go away.

[Elbirn]

Yo actually wait what the hell just happened here

Zakk, what happened that changed your stance from "lynch firebringer hes obvscum" to "oh well I guess pokerface is okay let's get him".

Elbirn making this move to push zakk's vote onto Firebringer from Pokerface means that Elbirn-scum increases likelihood of zakk-town and firebird-town.

Sorry zakk I just think you're scummy and I don't like your flop onto pokerface yesterday and I think you bussed. I can elaborate when I'm sober and can think

Apologizing to a scumread is something that doesn't make sense to me from a town perspective. You found scum, you're seeing them for what they are, why apologize?

Who did Elbirn use his cop ability on and why?

Nacho I'm sorry if I come off like a dick
but fuck I wish you coulda been like this in our other game

I'm okay with this lynch, but keep in mind that if skull flips scum then he knows all of my/bp's sekrits

[Elbirn]

Oh fuck I forgot j was multi quoting to talk about stuff. I think I was gonna argue with you but then you got everything right.

But yeah I used cop on klingon because my abilities only work on female characters, enjoy

[Elbirn]

(She had claimed honey)

[Elbirn]

I sure am glad that team scum thought we would have been smart enough to have the aloha oe dandies swap their claims around, because believing in wifom bullshit is the only reason bp dies in this scenario and I don't.

[Elbirn]

Fuck this.

Let's dance, Zakk!

[Elbirn]

FUUUUUUUUUU

[Elbirn]

Also I have another ability I didn't tell you about

Which is AWESOME

Is it your scum pt you shit

VOTE: Zakk

[Elbirn]

Tell me who your partner is so I can shoot him next

[Elbirn]

>scum has an op multi voter
>I was un-killable but didn't know

Owww ;_;

And what was that about I could refresh shots by targeting ladies? Like, could I have used my one cop on someone else, then by doctoring a lady I would have also gotten my cop back? Cuz I had no idea.

Uhm... I gotta be honest Zack you made me really salty with the "destroy everyone's abilities for a day" thing

And I can't believe both scum bussed in a situation where the lynchee could have saved themselves. I feel dumb. Letting firebringer get away with being a scumshit and claiming a scum character makes me feel even worse.

Alright enough whining, Varsoon release the aloha oe pt for great justice

[Elbirn]

Oh, I do want to note that there was a Rick and morty mini theme recently, but it kinda tanked and I think you'd do a great job of it.

Also interested in a steven u sequel, space dandy sequel and varsoon II, just btw

[Elbirn]

I should have known I was too Dandy to die and been a more outrageous character xD

[Elbirn]

Unnecessary bump

But when I did my vig shots I had meant to say

See you later space cowboy.

Bang.

And I forgot

[Elbirn]

Someday I'll be a real day vig and I will always only shoot scum and it will never fail because of bastardation

Someday

[Elbirn]

*shakes fist*