Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA, GAME OVER

[Oversoul]

ahhhhhhhhhh

I just realized I know next to nobody here

VOTE: Oversoul

I kinda know him though!

Tammy....?

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Hi Mara

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VOTE: Fire Bringer

dat omgus

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Mara + Tammy, did you guys watch Space Dandy?

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Space Dandy is a good show. Too bad it only ran for two seasons ;(

It isn't coming back!?

Sadness...

Did anyone not get their first choice for characters? I got my third choice.

Marammy, how did you guys choose a character then?

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BP could be scum too.

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BP could be scum too.

So could you...

*squints at oversoul*

nah
I'm a cute little sheep

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How many people chose their character? And how many people let their character be chosen for them?

TY

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Just for future reference.

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I asked for players to send me their three favorite characters when signing up for the game.
This did not have a bearing on how roles were distributed.

hey guys reading is awesome

I wasn't asking for how roles were distributed, but thanks.

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I wasn't asking for how roles were distributed, but thanks.

no, you're asking a question that's moot

nobody "chose their character." varsoon just said that.

I gave Varsoon a list of three names and he chose one of the people on that list.
I was asking if people did a similar thing or not. I ask because my character's anime ability is very similar to the ability I was given here.

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I'm just telling you you're going to guess wrong. Firebringer is special to us for a reason; it's not important for anyone else to know at this minute.

Why tease us with this information?

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I think the one thing jumping out at me is that I don't like Yukari asking how many scum there are. They've played a mini theme before, so the question just feels odd.

Mara's doing this thing with fire bringer though and I want to see where that goes. Need to talk to her.

Anti - I actually have an early weak town read on Oversoul for those questions. He has a tendency to focus on something pretty small that most people think is irrelevant, so this is pretty normal.

That was Anti? I thought it was TTH.

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Oversoul, why do your scum-reads seem eerily similar to mine?

Who are my scum reads?

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BP and firebringer, from what I can tell.

Firebringer is mostly for the bandwagon.
You are correct with BP.

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You guys misplayed the whole neighbor thing in my opinion. That probably makes Fire town.

VOTE: BP

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People are scum reading you.
Care to address their points instead of acting indignant?

Also, I have a modified execute ability. I can lynch someone at L-1.

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So if any of you make the sheep mad, be forewarned.

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Did Tammy really allow that vote to happen?

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@Every1: Level of mafia experience? Experienced with close setup/bastard games?

I've played a lot of mafia. I am experienced with closed setups. Less experienced with bastard games. Anything is possible with those.

I don't know where to start scumhunting. It's been, as you pointed out, shitty posts most of them.

You're voting me because I asked about space dandy then?

UNVOTE:

Fine. imma get serious then.

Unvote

I thought that worked.

I'm not voting you, I'm voting firebringer.

pay attention to the game state, for one.

actually talk about serious things instead of complaing and asking for flavor though the latter can be ok depending where you go with it.

That's what I meant, sorry.

Fine. Why is firebringer scum then?

I said BP is scum and voted him for this string of posts.
I don't get the impression that BP is trying to scumhunt. He only "starts" when prompted by Tamara.

You have made zero points towards scumreading me and have addressed people's concerns about me a total of zero times.

Make those points and I'll be sure to address them.

Who haven't I addressed that asked me about you?

@bp, I think your vote count is right. If its wrong I'd appreciate someone letting us know since Varsoon does not appear to be posting them inside top posts like his rules state. I am guessing Varsoon is thinking too much about the booty or that cat on his head (which I first thought was a Pompadour as I did not read varsoon mafia before this game), that cat has stolen varsoon's keyboard

Bewbies, dude. Bewbies.

TIL that Varsoon's avatar has a cat on its head.

@oversoul, I think everyone that has seen the show sent in lists. People that have not seen it probably sent in nothing. Thus Varsoon didn't get lists from everyone so I don't think it would have been fair for him to use the lists to distribute roles. Your posts read as intent to fish out who likes what character and who might have been lucky enough to get what's on their lists. You said you got your third while some people have posted they got their first. Your jealousy disturbs me. Aren't you the kind of player that prefers being town? Did you roll scum and feel bad about it?

I was going to go into "did you guys choose character x, hoping to get x ability". However, everyone is up in arms against me asking a simple question, so I will shelve that question for now.

I think you're stretching far to assume that I am jealous. Where in my posts do you think that I am jealous? Please provide quotes.
I love my role. I contemplated not announcing the execute and pulling a fast one to lynch someone who (inevitably) will annoy me. But, c'est la vie.

Yes. I do prefer being town.
No, I did not roll scum.

Beeeecaaauuusseeee...?

I can see someone unfamiliar with this place acting like he did in response to needling questions. Plus, a scum+town neighborhood is odd.
Part of the power of neighborhoods is to quietly coordinate power. It is also a good tactic to try and draw the nightkill by "trusting" your neighbor and "outting" your role to them in the hopes of drawing a nightkill as a regular neighbor or whatever.

I love neighborhoods. Especially neighborhoods that have power roles in them.

When is it good/bad to massclaim? Pros/Cons? What about mass flavor claim?

Flavor massclaim might not be a bad idea, but characters are independent of alignment. It may narrow the nightkill options for scum trying to hunt good PRs.
A complete massclaim is usually only good if an investigative PR has a lot of results OR it is MyLo/LyLo.

Interesting, we have the same/similar ability.

That is interesting. It isn't my only ability though.

dunno. we will see later if I am yelled at!

@ mod Fix my slip please!

also, PK why are you RQS'ing. Furthermore, why are you RQS'ing when there is a bit of stuff to actually question?

I found PokerFace's entrance into the game odd, too.

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Yukari is just a bewb. BP is probably scum, Elbirn.
Although... if that is a slip, that would mean PokerFace is scum. Hmm...

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Included both player slots. I think Tamara was on their way to playing Neighbors acceptably.

I addressed this point earlier in my larger post.

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Beeeecaaauuusseeee...?

I can see someone unfamiliar with this place acting like he did in response to needling questions. Plus, a scum+town neighborhood is odd.
Part of the power of neighborhoods is to quietly coordinate power. It is also a good tactic to try and draw the nightkill by "trusting" your neighbor and "outting" your role to them in the hopes of drawing a nightkill as a regular neighbor or whatever.

I love neighborhoods. Especially neighborhoods that have power roles in them.

Actually, reading this again. What do you mean when you say a town/scum neighborhood is odd? Because I'd assume neighborhoods have scum in them, that's why they're not masonrys. Plus later you suggest tactics that....only make sense with scum as neighbors. I'm confused.

Base assumption as a neighbor is that they are town, but you have to test them. Claim a cop in the neighborhood or something as equally juicy. If you get nightkilled, well, they were scum and hopefully you were just a vanilla neighbor. If you don't, they are likely town.

I find it odd because a neighborhood that small is relatively pointless, in my opinion. All town neighborhoods are common because of the base assumption SO many players have - that scum has to be in a neighborhood - it undermines any hope for coordination among the neighbors without the mod doing anything. I promise you, if you have a small neighborhood (2 people) it is likely all town. Beyond that it gets tricky.

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It actually makes me suspicious that Oversoul said that about neighborhoods in the first place. If Firebringer flips scum, I'm going to look at Oversoul next as a likely partner.

And if both of them flip town? I'm still scum right? Not just a good speculator?

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2 scum neighborhoods are just mods trying to be edgy, or the game is small town. They don't actually serve any purpose (unless there is a QT cop or something as equally specific).
Threshold for scum in neighborhoods is usually 3 players. Now, if one of the two neighbors has the ability to ADD to the neighborhood that throws my speculation out the window.

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royal mafia is a type of mafia that has a role named hero. hero is a role that lynches people that lynch them in royal mafia. Yukari voted himself after all. You can see why I asked him that now and why that question was not random

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... fia_Setups
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hero

I'll catch up on the other stuff momentarily. I really should not be posting and reading while at work

Umm... it is clear that Yukari is lackadaiscal when it comes her... his... their? posting. They clearly referenced the town alignment in this game... which is Heroes of the Story or something like that. How did you miss that and instead assume an antiquated setup?

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2 scum neighborhoods are just mods trying to be edgy, or the game is small town. They don't actually serve any purpose (unless there is a QT cop or something as equally specific).
Threshold for scum in neighborhoods is usually 3 players. Now, if one of the two neighbors has the ability to ADD to the neighborhood that throws my speculation out the window.

Did you even consider that the neighbors were just purr RNG'd without the mod caring about their alignment? That's how I've always seen it when there wasn't a neighborizer.

Doubtful.

The RNG method of neighbors is usually how a power role ends up in a neighborhood, but is the most sloppy implementation of a role I have ever seen. That practice should probably stop.

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I don't think Varsoon RNG'd the neighborhoods. The neighbors can ask that, but I assume it wasn't "random". My role ability is so similar to the ability on the show, I imagine the neighbors are closely related via the show as well and that is why they are neighbors.

Varsoon might have RNG'd the alignments but I think it went alignments for players > characters chosen > abilities given to characters.

There is a lot of good scum play that would also prevent me from doing what I did if I am scum and Fire is scum, but I'll let that rest for now.

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Maybe you've been out of the game too long to keep up with the kids these days but they do stupid things like that to test other players

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If Yukari gets to L-1 I would not mind using my ability on them.

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BEWBIES, BABY

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Reading up:

This is my first bastard game. I have a feeling I'm gonna get bombarded with surprises and things I wasn't excepting. But two-person neighborhoods? Nah.

@oversoul. 147 lulz you're voting me for having had a good fun in RVS? Your sole reasons for finding me scum are on page 1 and 2. You pretty much ignore me after that, because, I would assume, it doesn't apply anymore as I effectively stop fooling around.

The main thing about the rest of the thread so far is just game theory, it seems. I hate re reading, but I will do and post anything else I find useful.

FoS

on Oversoul, for farfetch reasoning, but my pressure stays on Klingoncelt.

You haven't done anything to change my opinion.

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1-0 VTs, Skull.

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Day chat is honestly standard now. It is weirder to only have night chat (outside of normals at least).

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My heart no longer lies with BP.
VOTE: PokerFace

I still cannot justify the mind loops he needed to pass in order to say Royal Mafia and not Heroes of the Story.

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Join the Bewbie wagon on PokerFace

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I find it odd that Yukari's ability is 1-shot whereas mine is not

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Back then I voted Klingoncelt because I wanted to apply pressure on someone that hadn't posten anything relevant as of yet. I don't like lurkers.

And he hasn't really posted anything of significance as of yet. So I'm gonna stick to him for the timebeing. Also, his vote on Zakk sounds more OMGUS that actual a vote on scumreads.

@oversoul, what's your character?

I'm not claiming my character.

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Back then I voted Klingoncelt because I wanted to apply pressure on someone that hadn't posten anything relevant as of yet. I don't like lurkers.

And he hasn't really posted anything of significance as of yet. So I'm gonna stick to him for the timebeing. Also, his vote on Zakk sounds more OMGUS that actual a vote on scumreads.

@oversoul, what's your character?

I'm not claiming my character.

Why not?

1. I already said that my flavor claim and my role are very similar.
2. Why do you of all people care about my flavor claim? You said you haven't even watched the show.

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I'm not a seeking mason or anything like that so if you're trying to figure out my character for that, look elsewhere.

I'm going to need more than just "reasons" to claim my character. If you're town, you should shelve this discussion for a later day.

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Town reads in no particular order:
Tamara
Plot
Firebird
Elbirn

weaker town reads:
Heartless
Skull
Alchemist

weak scum reads:
BP
Yukari
CoolDog

Scum read:
PokerFace

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Umm

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Yeah excuse that

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Pretty solid lost without the mix ups imo

Tamara - DQ

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I mean I left people off on the list for a reason. They haven't done anything one way or another to give me a feeling about their alignment

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One of the names you canignore

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I'm not gonna comment on it for fear of getting modkilled, but I was distracted while making the post

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I approve of Klingon votes.

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Claim time Klingon!

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VOTE: Klingon

claim time

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Shit, we didn't hammer Klingon by a second.

Do not want klingon to get hammered before having a chance to respond.

I voted Klingon because of your unvote. It was not an "almost hammer".

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And I did not activate my ability so it is fine.

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See above? I'm applying pressure to her.

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I didn't realize that. I don't think Varsoon would necessarily be that... strict? I've never seen a mod be that strict about a vote before. It was always as long as the intention was there with the action, I will count it.

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Klingon is V/LA that explains a lot actually

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...why are we running someone up to l-1 when they're not even here.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pokerface

So you move your vote from one V/LA person to another V/LA person because you don't want to lynch a V/LA person...?

Did I get that right?

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Getting first choice is better than getting third choice and as you like being town I would expect your first choice to be a likely good show character and town character. And a later choice on your list to not be as good or as town. Thats what I was getting at

Actually, the opposite seems to be true?
My first choice was Vestian. That episode was probably the funniest episode of the first season. I did partially list it trying to get a PGO type ability, but I'll settle for what I have.

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If both neighbors are town, I'm taking all of your town cards for doubting me.

"WHAT IS MY PORPOISE"

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Mara get Tammy in here

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Claim time Klingon!

I'm V/LA, fuckwit. Wait till I come back.

Claiming takes all of 2 minutes. Or are you stalking...? Hmm?

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Hmm that was in poor taste given the post I didn't read...

Sorry to hear the bad news Kling. I wish him luck!

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I did on accident. I couldn't remember your name other than it having Fire in it

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KILLL THE MOD!!!

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god

damn
it

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god

damn
it

oversoul

i wish for the warm embrace from someone who loves me. so far, tammy and mara have left me out in the

cold

hold
me
?

Is this some House of Leaves type shit?

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I'll embrace you, if you guys agree to be more active.

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I'm not sure I believe Klingon's role because this is a bastard game. That would seem really unfortunate. Could she be the token vanilla role?

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UNVOTE:

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Klingon, if you're Vt, who is your character?
Also, Firebird, PokerFace is VLA

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I feel less strongly about Elbirn town. He is moving his vote around a lot.

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VOTE: PokerFace

This wagon for justice, baby.

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god

damn
it

oversoul

i wish for the warm embrace from someone who loves me. so far, tammy and mara have left me out in the

cold

hold
me
?

I'm sorry my weekends are busy, but my weekdays are all yours.

god

damn
it

oversoul

i wish for the warm embrace from someone who loves me. so far, tammy and mara have left me out in the

cold

hold
me
?

Is this some House of Leaves type shit?

I got house of leaves for Christmas, but I haven't had a chance to read it yet with all the dissertation stuff going on, but now that that's over I'm hoping I can start reading it soon! Life has to get back in order first though!

Tammy stop trying to steal mah frens

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I'm starting to feel the not town vibes on Zakk.

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Rude

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I like the movie Iron Giant though

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Me too

Now, everyone, quickly onto CoolDog while he sleeps.

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PokerFace I mean

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I could see Zakk being a buddy to PF. I'll bandwagon this for now VOTE: Zakk

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Skull - I made it clear yesterday I wanted to talk to heartless about you in case they saw something I didn't. I don't need to talk about heartless concern about me at the end of day. Their concern was wrong. I know it was wrong. Since it was a about "passivity around the poker face wagon" I'm going to guess the concern was primarily telltale hearts who has demonstrated a terrible ability at reading me in our very limited experience. Antihero would know that I don't look at wagons, it's almost never a thing I pay attention to. Anti always pokes at me a little early to get me involved but also knows I don't really get going until the game goes on a bit.

What does concern me about you and this accusation is throwing shade on me for the nightkill when anyone half way competent at this game would know that's a kill anyone would have made. They were the only probable night kill last night for any team. But quite frankly, I'd have probably left them alive.

I disagree with this a fair amount. I didn't think Heartless came away from that lynch as the end all, be all nightkill choice. Why do you think so?

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Xtom, what is your opinion of the people on the PF wagon when he was lynched?

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Why would Tammy-scum go after you like this?

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I do agree that the repetition of narrative is needless/buzzwordy.

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Actually, I don't think Zakk is scum given his claim + interaction after the claim. Does not seem like Varsoon would give them two day ability power roles?

VOTE: Elbirn

Counter wagons, ahoy! I do endorse the Drama Queens pressure.

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That's not even enough for Eggs Benedict at Bewbies, baby.

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I should have chosen a Chamilionizoid. That would have been OP.

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Counterwagons are how you analyze individual conviction. It is the best way to suss out scum.

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I think Alchemist and DQ are either both town, or only one of them is scum given the confusion surrounding Dr. Gel early in the game.

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I don't think Alchemist would be confused/speculate about Dairy Queen's potential Dr. Gel soft if he knew that they were not Dr. Gel/not softing that role. Additionally, Dr. Gel has flipped so we know that the role was scum.

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Skull, could you elaborate on the neighborhood discussions you had last night?

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cookies all around

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Hmm.. Elbirn town

UNVOTE:

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Do it for the kids, Varsoon.

Let him Sabotage.

Although that role ability sounds malevolent.

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Do it for the kids, Varsoon.

Let him Sabotage.

Although that role ability sounds malevolent.

This potshot at an ability name sounds malevolent

Why not just say scummy?
Why not just call Yukari scum and be done with it?

VOTE: oversoul

P-edit fire bringer... Sigh...

I think Yukari is probably town? Just commenting on the name of the ability, especially given the character Yukari is said to have claimed? Unless he is the rat henchman?

So yeah, stop seeing ghosts where there are none.

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Drama Queen is the least scum player here, Who the hell hammered scum again? Yeah, DQ. You are so bad Zakk.

That logic is kinda bad, but at least you're thinking originally.

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I could see BP being an SK with that role. Or maybe a backup?

Yukari, why did you kill Elbirn? He was pretty obvious town, even if he chose a bad target?

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Yes, I was neighborized by Dairy Queen last night.

It is part of the reason that they said "We made a terrible mistake last night!" because they apparently chose that night action thinking I was really town and then when I wanted to discuss things with them they got really mad at my approach. Trouble in paradise, I guess?

But at least no one died and we probably got a lot of conftown stuff out of it. Doctor on Klingon tonight though

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Skull, occam's razor should tell you that traitor is not a realistic possibility.

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lol I'm conftown now
This is awesome

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Yeah, Zakk needs to full claim at this point.

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Hmm.. Elbirn town

UNVOTE:

Why?

I don't see scum having Poker's ability and a dayvig. However, given the vast amounts of lynch abilities I could see it being a mafia ability now.

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Also I feel really squicky about skull demanding that firebringer claim his flavor. She's made a few suggestions as to why, but there's no reason at all why she'd investigate firebringer in any capacity. He's already indicated that he's a part of the jaicro empire, so if she was a flavor cop and it came back as someone who shouldn't be there, then firebringer would be on her scum list. He's not.

If, in the neighborhood overnight, heartless had made such an impassioned plea about our reputation and why we're scum, if she were some sort of cop why not investigate us? Or zak? It feels like she's trying to intimidate into claiming the person she feels is most likely to do so.

It's sad the main character's supposed side kick is such a bully :/

What's the jaicro empire anyway

That's not my alignment.

Kill it with fire

That isn't her alignment (unless multiball?)


It's the flavor associated with her character. Jairo vs Gogol is the galactic war going on in the Space Dandy universe. The war is what Spurs the Gogols to go after Dandy for his multiverse traveling ability.

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Lel the last page was opened at work and now my coworkers think I'm gay cuz they were snooping through my phone, thanks guys

Nothing wrong with that
But something similar happened to me, never leave it open if you don't want people to see!

I have a confession. My ability is not necessarily am execute. I can remove a person's vote for the day. It lowers the threshold to lynch by 1 (if appropriate). Basically it only acts an execute on days wig an even number of people alive. It is true that is the only ability I have.

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I do agree that the repetition of narrative is needless/buzzwordy.

tell me more.

Just seems like a high falutin mafia term that is meant to be understood by a few but scare the rest.

Counter wagons, ahoy! I do endorse the Drama Queens pressure.

I did already! To Suss out the scum. Forces them to make choices.


Tell me more about this.

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Also I feel really squicky about skull demanding that firebringer claim his flavor. She's made a few suggestions as to why, but there's no reason at all why she'd investigate firebringer in any capacity. He's already indicated that he's a part of the jaicro empire, so if she was a flavor cop and it came back as someone who shouldn't be there, then firebringer would be on her scum list. He's not.

If, in the neighborhood overnight, heartless had made such an impassioned plea about our reputation and why we're scum, if she were some sort of cop why not investigate us? Or zak? It feels like she's trying to intimidate into claiming the person she feels is most likely to do so.

It's sad the main character's supposed side kick is such a bully :/

What's the jaicro empire anyway

That's not my alignment.

Kill it with fire

That isn't her alignment (unless multiball?)


It's the flavor associated with her character. Jairo vs Gogol is the galactic war going on in the Space Dandy universe. The war is what Spurs the Gogols to go after Dandy for his multiverse traveling ability.

So gigolos are bad and jaicros are good?

Gogols are definitely bad, I haven't watched the second season where they introduce Jaicros. I assume they are good on account of being against the Gogol's. Enemy of my enemy type thing. Plus, I don't think the two Jaicros would just claim like that in thread if they were both scum.

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So BP can't use the vig? How would we know which Dandy is the real Dandy!?

[Oversoul]

I thought he just canceled one ability?

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So you're a Vote Thief then? Sorry, but I still don't see how that's functionally different from Yukari's ability.

Also, what is the Town utility of your role?

I don't get the vote, they just lose the vote.

And sure, if you think that I am a traitor, I guess I'm not confirmed town.

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Not really. I thought Alchemist was town before he claimed and I think he is town after he claimed.
Curious why he chose me specifically though.

[Oversoul]

You think that Zakk's dancing ability is pure negative utility then?

No. I think Zakk's ability is fairly neutral. Don't forget that PokerFace had a day ability that ended day and made him invulnerable at night. Zakk's ability would have prevented that.

I just reread what you said about Alchemist's ability and I can see that ability being a rolecop of sorts.

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I mean, a lot of people are claiming day actions, I think Zakk's power is one of the most powerful in the game.

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Judging by how Firebird interacted with Tamara, I think he is likely town. I wouldn't mind a Dairy Queen lynch at this point, just to save Varsoon some time.

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Adelie - Did ctrl+f search on every single page of this game and could not find an Addlie claim. Unless we are missing something, seems Firebringer is only 1 to mention Adelie, other than Elbirn's post afterwards asking who claimed Adelie. Interesting..

Jonny - Drama Queens
Bea - Firebringer
Ferdinand - Xtoxm
QT - Skullduggery
Dandy - Elbirn
Dandy - BP
Honey - Klingoncelt
Ton Jravolta - Zakk
Prince - Yukari

Dead:
Dr Gel - Pokerface
Heartless - Meow

I claimed in the neighborhood. I am Adelie.

[Oversoul]

Still, that would mean that Oversoul claimed his flavor character in the neighborhood as soon as he was recruited, and it sounds like he was wary of DQ at the time. Why would he offer information like that if he didn't trust DQ?

Can you shed some light on this, Oversoul?

I did not immediately claim to them. I immediately asked them to claim.
I was wary of DQ. I only claimed as DQ was leaving the game.

[Oversoul]

Why are you both voting me?

[Oversoul]

I would prefer to use it on a scum read, not you Xtoxm.
I would also prefer to use it on a day when Zakk doesn't have the power to negate it outright.

[Oversoul]

It isn't a permanent ability though.

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I think I was on your wagon

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I find it odd that Yukari's ability is 1-shot whereas mine is not

What made you say this?

Yukari's ability seems pointlessly limited to 1-shot. But if it is permanent, I guess that makes sense. At that time I was not aware it was permanent.

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That doesn't answer my question. What prompted you to flavor-claim at all?

Everyone else was flavor claiming and I had been warming up to Tammy since she was getting emotional about you and that felt like her town self.

[Oversoul]

Yeah, I could do a Yukari vote now that I think about it. They were super sketchy with their sabotage/day vig situation.

[Oversoul]

Zakk, in order for me to be scum in your world I need to a) be scum with Alchemist, or b) be a traitor with a single ability.
Both are absurd. Why would Alchemist and I, as buddies, tie together like this after losing PokerFace?
Why would I as a traitor, only have a SINGLE ability. That would mean I do not know my partners (that would be a passive ability information). I cannot inherit the nightkill, as again, that would mean I have another passive ability. That would also mean my only ability is a public ability that removes a person's vote.

OR

You could use your brain and realize that I am town.
But that is too hard for you and Skullduggery apparently.

[Oversoul]

You could use your brain and realize that I am town.
But that is too hard for you and Skullduggery apparently.

Reasons why I'm voting you:
1.) I don't see the Town utility of the ability you claim to have.
2.) Your ability is too similar to Yukari's for me to believe that you're both on the same team.
3.) 935 rubs me the wrong way. You endorse a DQ lynch, but you decide to push an Elbirn counter-wagon just for the hell of it? Your justification in 939 seems weak too. You didn't seem to have a problem sheeping me onto Zakk in 753, but when a wagon on DQ started forming, you voted elsewhere? Why?
4.) You acknowledge that Alchemist's ability could be a Rolecop in 1191, but you're willing to accept that it's Town anyway? How often do you see Town Rolecops? Why would this game have both a Town Rolecop and a Town Flavor Cop (Heartless)?
5.) You were oddly quick to say "Yay I'm confirmed Town now" in 1088 after Alchemist shared his result on you. I can see that sort of kneejerk reaction coming from a player who was under suspicion and was saved by a Cop result, but you were under no pressure at the time, so your enthusiasm feels out-of-place.
6.) I don't see why you would share your flavor character in your neighborhood if you didn't trust DQ and you were under no pressure to do so. Your explanation in 1309 feels unsatisfactory.
7.) This post I'm responding to feels a little too defensive for my liking. Why was your first reaction to insult and discredit me? You're not

that

worried about my vote on you, are you?

Now

tell me I'm not using my brain, jerkbag.

For the record, you aren't my first choice for the lynch today. I've made it no secret that I want to lynch the DQ slot today, but that will have to wait. DQ's last-minute push on Zakk also gives me pause about lynching Zakk. I find it really weird that DQ would spend so much of Day 2 attacking my case on Zakk and arguing that he's Town just to pull a complete 180 and call Zakk Scum anyway. It makes me want to keep Zakk alive for at least another day. DQ's flip will tell us a lot about Zakk, so I think DQ needs to go first -- but, of course, that's not an option today.

So if you want me to get off your back, why don't you try suggesting an alternative instead of just sitting there calling me stupid? My mind isn't completely made up about you. I'll listen to what you have to say.

1. If certain other actions that involve votes are scum powers, I can see it having town utility. You're right that it does not outright have much town utility. Then again, does a miller have town utility?

2. They aren't as similar as you are making them out to be. I first thought they were similar too, but I have since changed my mind.

3. Counterwagons are how you discern people's true intentions. They are wonderful if on a town/scum. Less helpful if both scum or both town, but still helpful. Like I said, counterwagons are good. Do you think they are bad? At that point, I was trying to see if anyone else was going to try and divert away from Dairy Queen (if they were scum) or try to lynch Dairy Queen (if they were town). It would have given me a lot of information to sort through.

4. You're stretching here... I acknowledged the POSSIBILITY of Alchemist's ability being a Rolecop. Thus far, it does not seem to be a role cop, unless Alchemist KNEW my character before I claimed (the ability name is attached directly to her ability in the show). If Alchemist is scum, I honestly have no way of knowing. His use of the ability and then subsequent behavior towards me (thinking I am town and presenting that opinion as such) looks more town than scum. Do you think the opposite?

5. Uh, what? Just because you have a problem with people being confirmed town does not make the assertion less true. As I pointed out to Zakk, unless you think a) Alchemist and I are buddies or b) I am traitor, you are being ridiculous to not think I am more likely town given that result.

6. I'm sorry you're not satisfied with my explanation. Not everyone plays the game the same way. Firebringer can confirm that I claimed at the tail end of Dairy Queen's residence in this game. Plus, as I said, I was warming up to Dairy Queen. Tammy was getting emotional like she did in Signs and Void (team mafia game). She even replaced out of that one for similar reasons that I see here.

7. I mean I am a little annoyed at both the votes on me. As I pointed out to Zakk, Alchemist's result is as close to an innocent as we are going to get and you both are determined to throw that a way and vote me.
You say I am not your first choice of lynch but I am the one you are currently going for. Why even say that if you are still going to vote me?

I'm honestly at a loss for who could be scum which is why I am focusing on the individuals voting me.

[Oversoul]

Alchemist did not claim to be Rolecop. That was speculation on me/Skull's part.

Also, if you think I was recruited AS A TRAITOR, Zakk, how was there a kill last night?

[Oversoul]

dude idk in a game like this it's entirely possible there's an SK

Do you see these insane logical jumps you're making to justify scumreading me?

This scenario is completely batshit.

[Oversoul]

Skull, what are your reads on Fire, Klingon, Xotxm, and Elbirn?

[Oversoul]

I feel like this is more a case of you not reading than it is of her not saying

I want her to say it.

[Oversoul]

I honestly think this is Skulls way to try and get Alchemist lynched since most of my "guilt" in her mind stems from Alchemist using his ability on me and then the discussion after it. I find if fucking comical that Elbirn claims to have COPPED KLINGON AND NO ONE BATS AN EYE THAT THERE COULD BE "BASTARD" THINGS with THAT yet nothing I do is townie.
Skull, critically think about this, do you want me to be scum? Is that what this is?
Your hypothesis about everything related to me is so far beyond the pale it is absurd.

[Oversoul]

I'm not even trying to throw shade on the Elbirn/Klingon stuff but it's ridiculous that those claims are being levied against me when equally as valuable claims could be levied against those two which would ACTUALLY make sense seeing as GODFATHER IS SEMI BASTARD ITSELF AND A REALISTIC POSSIBILITH AS OPPOSED TO A FUCKING TRAITOR WITH ONE ABILITY THAT CAN CONFIRM THE ABILITY IN THREAD.

[Oversoul]

No one's cast doubt on the Kling result precisely because it would be ridiculous.

Oversoul, what do you think about the number of claimed investigative roles?

EXACTLY.

Thank you for that.

I honestly do not even remember half of the power claimed, only the characters.

[Oversoul]

People I think are probably not scum with PokerFace: Yukari
People I think are maybe not scum with PokerFace: Firebringer/Klingon

PokerFace did not leave very many interactions for us to analyze.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: BP

[Oversoul]

Because he knows your role exists?

[Oversoul]

I dunno. I think FB is town given his interactions in the neighborhood. Do you guys agree/disagree?
Also, why are you both not posting in the neighborhood?

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Alchemist

A Scum-flip from Alchemist would make me feel a lot better about Oversoul.

What happens with a town flip?

[Oversoul]

How did he die if that was his ability?

His original rolecard allows him to die. He doesn't receive this rolecard until he dies once.
Now he functions as a Treestump.

[Oversoul]

Also weirdest scum kill ever

[Oversoul]

The Skull lynch yesterday makes me unhappy with Knuckles.

Firebringer, again, scum with Alchemist means we connected ourselves together as soon as Pokerface died. That is not smart scum tactic in ANY universe.

[Oversoul]

Should we mass claim?

[Oversoul]

I should really pay more attention. Who did Klingon claim?

[Oversoul]

So we didn't mass claim then...

[Oversoul]

Xtoxm and Zakk need to fill claim immediately.

[Oversoul]

Kling, why didn't you mention PokerFace at all while he was alive?

[Oversoul]

Honey, watcher.

We need to wait for result claims then I want alchemists head..

I have no results. I think I was roleblocked.

Who did you try to watch?

[Oversoul]

LAAAAMEEE

At least my balance is on point, even if I got the neighborhood business wrong.

[Oversoul]

Lol @ ms in our neighborhood

[Oversoul]

Varsoon, Alchemist never got the chance to tell the full power of Xtoxm.

[Oversoul]

Antihero wading this game?

[Oversoul]

Antihero wading this game?

hi

i'm half of heartless

Fail. I knew that. Forgot you guys died Night 1.

[Oversoul]

Alchemist never outright claimed the result he got on Xtoxm.

If he had I would have used my ability and immediately called for his lynch.

[Oversoul]

Yeah, just don't include another role like Xtoxm's role.

[Oversoul]

I knew the Bea claim was really weird...

[Oversoul]

Yeah, I was shocked when PF flipped scum. And thought my best bet was to actually hunt scum.

Yay elibrn and a few others were shocked i was scum too. I play scum and town very similarly.

I absolutely knew the town was "the heroes of this story". First game post said "heroes of this story". My safe claim said heroes of this story. So that case was bull. I even said hero as in town first and then said hero as in royal mafia second. If you want to argue I play and mod royal mafia too much thats fine, I did play 5 games of it just before joining this game. BUT playing too much royal mafia doesn't make anyone scum

The only scummy thing I did was continually going after kling in a way that came off policy lynch like. I never intended it to look like a policy lynch. I intended to say "claiming vanilla was useless and vanillas are useless. You unvote and you are dumb." I didn't mean to say "claiming vanilla hurts the town. Kling need to die for hurting town." I minced words poorly there and my heart was not fully in her lynch as I felt sorry for her and her recent family problems. I hope your son recovers fully. BUT I suppose i was right to not believe kling was vanilla. Seriously this new lie as town fad that many players are doing needs to stop. PEOPLE SHOULDN'T LIE AS TOWN EVER and I will gladly vidge or lynch town liars. Kill all liars is one policy lynch I do support!

Towards the tail end of your wagon, I thought you probably were too invested in a Royal Mafia game (I knew you had been modding a large number/posting about it in MD). However, you never brought that defense up in a way that I found to be townie. Plus, I think you're hindsight biased here. You know you have all of the information available to you, yet you still acted confused about Yukari's claim when there was no reason you should have been. Unless you were trying to rolefish which is what I thought you were doing there and why I advocated for your lynch.

I don't know about the whole lying as town thing. I think lying as town can be an effective tool.
For instance, it's day 1 and someone asks you to claim and you're a cop.
Do you lie?

Yes.

It's day 4 and you've got a scum guilty on a player BUT you think there may be another scum in the setup. You're pressed to give reasons why you're pushing the one scum so adamantly.
Do you lie?

No.

It's day 3 and you're a town rolecop and/or informed (like an unclaimed miller?). You see the actual cop soft/crumb a guilty on a player. You could claim cop with a guilty, get that scum lynched, and catch a kill that'll save the real cop's hide.
Do you lie?

Yes.

It's 3p LYLO and you know for sure the other guy is scum. You'd have an easier time building a case on him if you lied about how scummy he was to appeal to the other town's sensibilities. You need to do this to win the game, because this other town does not jive with your style of play.
Do you lie?

Yes.

I think there are lies that are effective and can move the game forward. I think people like to call strategic lying 'gambits' sometimes. I also agree--lying poorly as town and without great effect is anti-town. However, discerning that it's coming from a town player is helpful in sorting town/scum regardless.

I don't know if all town should tell the truth. If upheld, it would be interesting for sure, and maybe scum would be a bit easier to spot because they have to lie by nature of their alignment. However, I don't know if that perceived benefit is worth the definite benefit that proper lying as town could do.

Mafia are so thirsty for information they will believe anything that comes out of a townie's mouth.

[Oversoul]

Haha, that is clever. Ask Quilford? He is a good artist