Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA, GAME OVER

[Xtoxm]

Hey PF

The semi unretirement continues. Probably an unwise choice.

When I saw the theme of this game it reminded me of Cowboy Bebop, and then was I saw you sign up I just

had

to join!

[Xtoxm]

Im a dandy guy, in space!

Are you Varsoon?

[Xtoxm]

Another game with hoods eh? Is it only the two of you in the hood?

How many people chose their character? And how many people let their character be chosen for them?

TY

I did not send a list.

Is this bastard to the point on not having vote counts?

Anything is possible!

[Xtoxm]

But revealing it brings more focus onto you.

[Xtoxm]

Building up some nice town reads.

Oversoul claim looks town motivated.
Yukari reminds me somewhat of noobtoxm. Towntell.

My experience with hoods is that scum is likely. But most of my experience is years out of date.

VOTE: Elbirn 'cause he wants to vote two of my town reads.

[Xtoxm]

And he hasn't really posted anything of significance as of yet. So I'm gonna stick to him for the timebeing. Also, his vote on Zakk sounds more OMGUS that actual a vote on scumreads.

OMGUS is pretty much a fallacy.

[Xtoxm]

We have way too many votes on way too many people. It doesn't apply any pressure if its spread out like this.
Some questions I have right now.
BP why are you voting Klingoncelt? Why does he appear scum to you?

Very well.

Lets wagon some shit.

VOTE: PF

too fluffy

[Xtoxm]

hoodz

You were just in a game with an all town hood where there was this discussion. Why are you not adding anything meaningful to the discussion?

For us at least, this particular ability is 1-shot.
Scum could possibly have this power.

What do you think @oversoul and any1 else with this ability? D1 or later?

Keep it. Using a 1-shot on day 1 is a waste. We may find someone requires an additional vote to be lynched later on, etc.

[Xtoxm]

^misread your Q yukari, thought you were asking everyone.

[Xtoxm]

Where do the Elbirn town vibes comes from? All I see is picking on easy targets.

[Xtoxm]

In effect

oversoul claimed executioner

yukari claimed he can turn someone in to a hated townie

not the same

[Xtoxm]

lol? are you mixing up games

[Xtoxm]

Hi Xtoxm. Tell me what you think about everyone.

Hi zakk.

Oversoul - The early claim looks very town motivated. I don't see a scum revelaing it so early. It would be too useful for scum to be able to kill people at L-1 without us knowing. So this alone convinces me he is town. Town read.

Klingoncelt - Nothing either way here, wagoning someone to L-1 is a good way to read someone so i'm looking forward to her response. Neutral.

Yukari - Don't feel that newbscum would follow oversoul in claiming the hater ability at the start. The cavalier response to alchemist asking for reads is a towntell, I think scum would play safer. He (she?) has just been giving me town vibes throughout, really. Town read.

Heartless - The antihero half in particular looks free-flowing and genuine. Town read.

zakk - Completely overconfident in your reads, but I think that's a towntell. While the voting bloc request was silly, I think town is far more likely to suggest it. There's some more town pings such as 332. Town read.

Elbirn - Been getting scummy vibes from him. Not understanding why so many people are townreading him. The way he attacks Yukari in 132 and Klingon in 131 look like really basic, easy things for a scum to pick on someone over. I had thought a Klingon lynch would say a lot about him, but now he's moved to PF, so not sure what to make of that. Mild scum read.

PokerFace - Looks a bit like he's using too many words to actually say little, but it may just be his playstyle. Mild scum read.

Skullduggery - Lots of sensible comments and well structured posts, but i'm not sold on him being town. Neutral/slight town.

BP - Had town feelings from early on. He reacted well to the early votes he was getting. 195 for example. Also the directly asking Oversoul for his role is a towntell, scum would tend to fish more subtly. Town read.

Drama Queens - Initially dismissed as town due to high activity and being in the hood, because Fire was looking scummy to me at the start and they can't both be scum. Looking back over them now, town vibes are not as strong as I recalled, but the town read lingers. Town read.

Alchemist21 - He Was my first town read. From the start, he has exibited pro-town thought processes that look genuine, such as changing his mind on DQ and Fire. These things are very difficult to fake as scum. Town read.

Firebringer - Feels very weird. Outing the hood early is odd. But his reads list is so wacky and divergent to what most people have said, and I feel like a newbscum would have sheeped more and not called both the primary wagons of the moment town. So, town read.

When I have so many town reads like I do here, I mentally start moving my neutral reads into scum. So, i'm interested in seeing how Klingon and PF respond to the pressure, and mainly waiting Klingons return at this point.

[Xtoxm]

Changing vote after talking to neighbor a bit.

VOTE: BP

I don't think he is scum, ill analyze him more later. Going to give more reads on people later. Right now I am off to bed.

If you've been suspicious of DQ this whole time, why did talking with them prompt you to vote someone you weren't scumreading?

I also don't like this as it doesn't make sense with his reads
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7042829
fire bringer was still voting bp when he made that reads post too.

Also theres a chance we could both be Mafia. O_o

Uhm wouldn't you know if you are mafia or not already? How would you not know what you are? I have seen scum needing to find their partners in bastard games before and if fire is considering he needs to do that then that would make fire scum

in varsoons recent vote count klingon is near lynch, I think still at L-1. Firebringer isn't so I'll vote him since day 1 does not need to end right now

VOTE: firebringer

Yes his reads doesn't make sense, but why is it scummy?

[Xtoxm]

@Xtoxm, what's so special about BP's 195? It doesn't look indicative either way to me.

Looks like a calm, collected response to being attacked without good reason. It's the type of thing i've said in the past.

[Xtoxm]

Changing vote after talking to neighbor a bit.

VOTE: BP

I don't think he is scum, ill analyze him more later. Going to give more reads on people later. Right now I am off to bed.

If you've been suspicious of DQ this whole time, why did talking with them prompt you to vote someone you weren't scumreading?

I also don't like this as it doesn't make sense with his reads
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7042829
fire bringer was still voting bp when he made that reads post too.

Also theres a chance we could both be Mafia. O_o

Uhm wouldn't you know if you are mafia or not already? How would you not know what you are? I have seen scum needing to find their partners in bastard games before and if fire is considering he needs to do that then that would make fire scum

in varsoons recent vote count klingon is near lynch, I think still at L-1. Firebringer isn't so I'll vote him since day 1 does not need to end right now

VOTE: firebringer

Yes his reads doesn't make sense, but why is it scummy?

Reads list*

[Xtoxm]

I didn't see a reason to.

[Xtoxm]

Same Q back at you tbh. Your turn.

[Xtoxm]

I'm sorry you're having RL issues Klingon.

What are your reads on players other than zakk?

[Xtoxm]

Lol. I gave reads cos zakk asked. Nothing to do with you. I don't care that you're voting me. I think you're town but I also think you're a liability.

[Xtoxm]

"Speaking of aroused, I'm pretty hungry."

-Meow

VOTECOUNT 1.07

Klingoncelt (5):

zakk, Drama Queens, Skullduggery, Alchemist21, Oversoul

Pokerface (4):

Heartless, Xtoxm, Elbirn,

Pokerface

zakk (1):

Klingoncelt

Firebringer (1):

Yukari

Xtoxm (1):

Firebringer

Not Voting (1):

BP

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2015-07-21 19:55:00)

Hmmm wonder what this is about, PF tried to vote fire, but he's actually voting himself.

Whoops

[Xtoxm]

oh nvm

[Xtoxm]

Hey Yukari.

Current opinions on Klingon?

[Xtoxm]

Actually no. I'm going to do a somewhat comprehensive read on everyone in a few minutes. Maybe I'll change my mind.

Did you do this? I was hoping for follow up.

[Xtoxm]

Klingon lynch isn't filling me with confidence.

[Xtoxm]

We should get more out of PokerFace he hasn't been contributing much lately.

Pedit: No, Inappropriate.

Neither have you. Do you still have 6 mafia reads?

[Xtoxm]

Cool.

[Xtoxm]

Elbirn actually might be town. Abandonment of the Klingon wagon in it's critical stage - regardless of her alignment - isn't something i'd expect from scum.

I have too many town reads

[Xtoxm]

@DQ, current read on your neighbor?

[Xtoxm]

Still trying to figure out if that's a meta that older players hide behind or not

Either way, policy lynches are dumb

Policy lynches would tend to benefit the site in the long term. After you get policy lynched couple times for claiming VT..by people who previously were town reading you, you learn it make it an absolute last resort. I understand the argument behind it. For me, i'm somewhere in the middle. If someone I want to lynch claims VT, then it won't change my mind.

Strange how quickly those voting Klingon have abandoned the wagon.

I have too many town reads

Seems like what scum would do. Put almost everyone as town as to not make any enemies.

I

really

want to believe this is scum.

[Xtoxm]

No that's called being a dick. I have seen it happen and I don't like it.

[Xtoxm]

Too much of the Klingon wagon has emptied into PF more my liking. I'd figured there was scum on it somewhere.

zakk has remained on Klingon by himself which is probably a townie thing. DQ has moved to an empty wagon which is probably a towntell.

{Oversoul, Alchemist, Skull} all hopped straight over. Likely scum in there, and i'm pretty sure it's not oversoul.

Question is, does this make PF town.

[Xtoxm]

Too much of the Klingon wagon has emptied into PF

for

my liking. I'd figured there was scum on it somewhere.

zakk has remained on Klingon by himself which is probably a townie thing. DQ has moved to an empty wagon which is probably a towntell.

{Oversoul, Alchemist, Skull} all hopped straight over. Likely scum in there, and i'm pretty sure it's not oversoul.

Question is, does this make PF town.

EBWOP

[Xtoxm]

"but it teaches them a valuable lesson"

To be less of a personal annoyance to you specifically?

[Xtoxm]

haha, well i'm just thinking out loud. What is your take on it, then?

[Xtoxm]

I mean, about the movements of votes from Klingon. Seeing as you ripped apart what i said

[Xtoxm]

Well that's an evasive answer

[Xtoxm]

Wow really Dq?

Yeah Alchemist my vote with Xtoxm isn't very much helping. Pokerface is still not contributing much. I vote that puts him within hammer right? He won't be hammered?

Ahh w/e

VOTE: Pokerface

This is clearly self preservationist scum. He's under pressure so he changes his vote to PF who he's been calling town all day while calling me scum?

This dies tomorrow.

[Xtoxm]

Lol.

The speed votes make them both probably town.

Zakk does come off looking bad in interactions with PF, but BP is worse. He had almost no interaction with him all day, never voted him, and called him a town read.

VOTE: BP

[Xtoxm]

As for Klingon the interactions with PF and lack of hammer on her aren't particularly redeeming but I just really don't see 2 significant competing wagons forming on scum on D1.

[Xtoxm]

I am town

I don't particularly care for blind assertions of alignment. At least include a reason if you're going to do this.

[Xtoxm]

Elbirn why do you think BP is town again?

Because I am.

Why am I scum again?

Because of your lack of interactions with the dead scum. You were one of a very small number of players of not cast suspicion on him.

Who do think currently think is scum, and why?

[Xtoxm]

Been away all day and just reading through the new posts. I wasn't going to name anyone, but since we're on the subject I touched on before, I believe that both xtoxm and skull are neighbors to Heartless. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, if flavor is alignment indicative in this game, then all the neighbors to Heartless should be Town.

Where is this coming from?

[Xtoxm]

I watched the first 2 eps.

[Xtoxm]

Yeah I get that, but what I don't get is:

1. Where is he getting that i'm neighbors with Skull and Heartless
2. Why is he speculating on this
3. It's commonplace on this site to provide fakeclaims, so why would you assert that they are all town

[Xtoxm]

What did you do zakk

[Xtoxm]

...Can you stop being so cryptic and just claim properly?

[Xtoxm]

Well that's the thing, it's not like it was some derp hammer. Let's say you're scum. You hammer pokerface. He flips dr. Gel. "Well golly, why would I do that if I were scum when he was dear leader and could have negated his own lynch".

That's like....max town cred, unless someone is crazy enough to question it. On paper it's a good bus. Which is precisely why it needs to be questioned.

Let's not start with the conspiracy theories. With PFs no lynch ability, it's likely both those last votes on PF are town.

Out of those on the wagon alchemist would actually be my pick, who has looked very much in drift mode since his brazen start to D1.

But I don't believe PF was double bussed and lynching away from the wagon is today's play.

[Xtoxm]

It's 6 to to lynch.

Also, no more hammers without claims please.

[Xtoxm]

Hmm. I can see Dandy being scum fakeclaim, dontcha know.

Skull, how confident are you in his townliness from the hood?

[Xtoxm]

5 neighbors in game = likely scum so this claim only strengthens my suspicion.

[Xtoxm]

Just to confirm, you guys were told nothing about each others alignments?

[Xtoxm]

You just contradicted yourself in the same post.

[Xtoxm]

Neither did I.

[Xtoxm]

No, it doesn't. It says that 5 neighbors being in the game means the 1 of the 5 is likely scum.

I've also been pretty clear in calling both DQ and Fire town today. Are you even paying attention?

I'm townreading Skull, Fire and DQ, and my top suspect just claimed the final neighbor.

So yes, in this situation it makes it more likely.

[Xtoxm]

VOTE: xtoxm

You think all the main characters are confirmed town and scum don't get fakeclaims? Try harder.

[Xtoxm]

That makes sense xtoxm. Talk to me about why you think each of them is town

Skull has looked pretty good all game, and I like his case on you. You are my 2nd suspect. The only reason I voted BP over you is because the interactions between him and PF and more incriminating than the interactions between you and PF.

[Xtoxm]

Not trying to convince you of anything, just letting you know where you stand.

[Xtoxm]

For Fire and DQ look back my ISO

[Xtoxm]

the tl;dr is the nature of their speedlynch on PF and the ability this prevented PF from using are pretty convincing townie actions.

[Xtoxm]

looking at peoples interactions with known scum are the best indicators of alignment

[Xtoxm]

Zakk, where do you stand on BP?

[Xtoxm]

No opinion? That troubles me.

Your mutual lack of willingness to vote each other is fueling my BP-zakk team theory.

[Xtoxm]

VOTE: Elbirn

[Xtoxm]

UNVOTE:

Well, that's interesting.

Sounds like we have a lot of confirmed townies at this point. And all my top suspects have cleared themselves.

First instinct to the DQ unlynchable claim is..why the hell would town have that ability? But who knows.

With Elbirn being mod-confirmed Dandy i'm happy for him to lead some POE lynches and the game should be over.

Unfortunately..The game has become a puzzle at this point rather than a game of mafia.

For completeness, i'm going to claim as everyone has except me and Fire.

Ferdinand, double voter. (permanent ability)

[Xtoxm]

[Xtoxm]

Isn't Bea a Gogol

[Xtoxm]

I've only watched 3 eps. I'm slow at getting through shows. I have no idea who half the claimed characters are, or even my own.

[Xtoxm]

Ok so.

Zakk seems to have cancelled all abilities today. So don't waste any more of those.

Elbirn picks a lynch.

Tomorrow alchemist ability checks on me or fire, as we both only have 1 according to claims.

BP uses his cop on someone.

Which will leave us with a suspect pool of BP, alchemist and whoever hasn't been checked.

BP then can vig someone who isn't cleared by this point (or if he can't that means he's scum), and lynch a 2nd.

That's 2 extra cop results, and 3 kills, by end of D3. By that point, game should either be over, or we have enough info to wrap it up.

...Any holes?

Scum could kill BP/alchemist but they're both still in the suspect pool so it doesn't matter.

[Xtoxm]

Zakk, why did you not block DQs action?

[Xtoxm]

OMG Sonic!

Welcome

[Xtoxm]

Before you read up anything, can I interest you in a full roleclaim?

[Xtoxm]

Before you read up anything, can I interest you in a full roleclaim?

you roleclaim to me? or i roleclaim to you?

You claim. So we can compare it to DQs claim, y'know?

[Xtoxm]

Perhaps I'm focusing too much on flavor here, but...what exactly is the justification for Ferdinand being a Doublevoter?

This is your funeral procession, Dandy.

[Xtoxm]

I don't think anyone else has given flavour yet.

[Xtoxm]

I've come to the conclusion that scum are able to manipulate the flavour, or at least their own flavour, because I don't see Varsoon confirming 4 people as town in thread. Which is effectively what he has done if scum don't have such an ability.

[Xtoxm]

I would also be more than willing to lend my support to an Alchemist lynch if we decide to go in that direction.

That is not a good direction for today, imo. He can use it on me or Fire tomorrow (presumably me, given his play), and if he's scum he has to either CC me or confirm me. And if he's town, we get more info.

[Xtoxm]

Yukari, how many scum do you think were on the PF lynch wagon?

[Xtoxm]

Zakk. Maybe DQ. My only reservation with DQ slot is that from a setup viewpoint, it looks like dayvig exists to counter an unlynchable ability.

And, that's just because I haven't used it yet. I can test it. Assuming zakk isn't fucking with me.

VOTE: Alchemist
VOTE: Alchemist

@mod, votecount please

[Xtoxm]

Why are you two voting Oversoul? He is a terrible lynch.

[Xtoxm]

Hi Oversoul.

I think the time has come for you to confirm your claimed ability. It's a permanent ability, right? You can do it on me if you want, i'm actually interested to see if you steal both of them.

And I know you said you don't gain the votes for yourself, but if you could humour me and attempt to cast 2 votes in the same way that I did, so I can see the result in a votecount, that would be comforting.

[Xtoxm]

On second thoughts, it may be difficult to lynch scum with all these lurkers if you steal mine...Maybe closer to deadline though, you can confirm it?

[Xtoxm]

That his ability works in the way he claims it does.

[Xtoxm]

He claimed this on D1 and we still have not seen it in effect. It makes sense to back up easily confirmed claims such as this one.

[Xtoxm]

Of course not. But what if his ability does not do what he claims? Or he does not have any such ability at all? It's not confirmed scum, but it's on the way there. Like I said, it just makes sense to confirm it.

[Xtoxm]

It's not permanently, it's just for the day phase? If it's permanent then definitely I don't want that. But, you are right, I was probably foolish to volunteer myself. We should test it on whoever we decide to lynch, though.

I don't think he's lying, but that's not a reason to leave it untested.

[Xtoxm]

Oh, right.

[Xtoxm]

I find it odd that Yukari's ability is 1-shot whereas mine is not

What made you say this?

[Xtoxm]

Well. I was planning to vote Zakk. And I still have suspicions, but. He has convinced me that he's worth having around if he's town, and I can't say I particularly feel the same way about Yukari. Several incidents have rubbed me the wrong way with Yukari recently.

872 - Intent to hammer without a claim
971 - Sabotaging Elbirn when he thought he was dying is downright antitown
1247 - Dismissing VCA as wifom, and checking his old reads post instead of giving an updated opinion.

He has shown very little in the way of scumhunting intent.

I want to lynch from the group that didn't lynch PF. Those of you voting on the wagon...Do you think PF was bussed by both his buddies?

VOTE: Yukari
VOTE: Yukari

BP, if you could drop your lurker-scum impression, that would be Dandy. (get it?)

[Xtoxm]

Yeah so with Oversoul.

I get that traitor is a thing. But like...Why are you using that as reason to push a lynch on someone who has a pseudo-innocent result on them? Especially this early in the game? In my experience traitors are extremely rare, unless site meta has shifted in the years I was away.

[Xtoxm]

alchemist fire DQ

[Xtoxm]

therefore, LOGICALLY, i'm probably town because scum doesn't really do that because they know they'll get called out on it
they'd go with something safer AND they'd do their research first before making a stupid accusation

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i think DQ is scum, and i think you're scummy (until you're proven town i will suspect you)

that being said, you make a good point.

so, in the interest of achieving a decent lynch, let's vote xtoxm.

xtoxm seems intent on proving your ability, as if that would prove your alignment at all.

1. he's willing to GIVE UP HIS DOUBLE VOTE which is suspicious in itself, and no townie in their right mind should
2. and he's willing to do it for stupid reasons (proving ability, not alignment), for someone who's NOT conf town.

i.e. he's trying to "be cooperative" and "do something protown" for the wrong reasons

ergooooo he's scum and should die

vote: xtoxm

/inb4 doublevote omgus

This is terrible reasoning. You chose me and then found some shitlogic to back it up. Try again. Why are you so adamant Yukari and Alchemist can't be scum?

Okay, let me get this straight:

Town has a Cop, Elbirn
Town has a Rolecop, Alchemist
Town has a Watcher, me
Town

had

a Flavor Cop, Heartless...

Really?????

Alchemist did not claim to be Rolecop. That was speculation on me/Skull's part.

...

That still has Town ridiculously overpowered, especially if BP is identical to Elbirn.

This is a really good point, I had forgotten about Heartless's role. There are too many claimed investigative. Alchemist's claim is the obvious blip, day ability cop? Alchemist-scum is growing on me.

[Xtoxm]

Why do you think he's a bad lynch?

Objectively, I think he's a bad lynch because his guilt is conditional on Alchemist's guilt. In which case you should go for Alchemist first, as his guilt is not conditional on anyone else. Yes ok, you've brought up some other possibilities, but I don't see why they should be considered as a reason to look past what is essentially an innocent result at this stage of the game.

Subjectively, I think he's a bad lynch because he's a solid town read.

[Xtoxm]

On my phone so can't give huge wall just wanna say I think skull and Salk and SQL slot are hundred percent town.

Elbirn or BP are scum I think BP
Alchemist I had good town vibe now I am unsure of maybe scum

Yukari is null prolly town

King might be scum too not sold on his claim it was obvious we recruited over soul

No opinion on over soul

Firebringer confirmed for not even reading the game.

I and BP are conf town, as is Klingon who we have a cop innocent on.

How does him having similar role mean he is town? Like ever hear of mirror roles?
Varsoon could easily put in exact same roles except diff alignment

You are not 100 confirmed.
I think BP is more scum like than you

Both neighbors have said they have compelling reasons to believe BP is town. Your BP vote is going nowhere today. Who else do you think is scum?

[Xtoxm]

The more I think about it, the more I like the prospects of a Yukari-Alchemist scumteam. No interactions with each other, both have roles that sound like scum roles, both have been useless lurksacks all of D2.

[Xtoxm]

No one's cast doubt on the Kling result precisely because it would be ridiculous.

Oversoul, what do you think about the number of claimed investigative roles?

[Xtoxm]

5 days til deadline. We are going to stutter to a no lynch a this rate.

BP, Oversoul, Fire: Please do something with your vote as a matter of urgency.

BP, replace out if you don't have time for the game.

[Xtoxm]

Town. I feel like Skull is the only person other than me showing an interest in figuring this game out. The Aloha Oe group are really confident in each other and acting like masons which also supports town reads - on all 3 of them. In a game sprawling with apathy, Skull is among the people I am least interested in lynching today.

Notably, the same comment cannot be applied to the Jaicro neighborhood.

VOTE: Alchemist
VOTE: Alchemist

[Xtoxm]

The more I think about it, the more I like the prospects of a Yukari-Alchemist scumteam. No interactions with each other, both have roles that sound like scum roles, both have been useless lurksacks all of D2.

I've been thinking about something. Yukari says she has an ability to place a "ghost vote" of sorts onto another player. This does not interfere with he regular vote, so she is essentially a weaker version of a Doublevoter. Did you come to this conclusion when she claimed her ability earlier?

I did not.

If so, why was there no counter-claim from you?

It would not have been a CC though; they are different abilities. I considered and quickly dismissed claiming on D1, lots of claims on D1 only helps scum. At that point in the game with my own ability and two other people claiming lynch affecting abilities, I was expecting there to be a bunch of similar things. Didn't expect anything as extreme as dayvig and unlynchable though.

Do you see both of your roles existing on the same team?

I wouldn't say by setup design necessity that they have to be on different teams. They are quite different. The way Yukari described hers, it is a 1-shot action directly on a player, creating a permanent change to the target, even if Yukari dies. My ability is attached to me only, and can be used limitlessly. So, yes.

[Xtoxm]

Of course it is, I made it.

[Xtoxm]

You still have a lot of important stuff to read in D2.

[Xtoxm]

Skull/BP/Elbirn are in a hood and say they have compelling reasons to believe all of them are town.

kling - watcher
alchemist - day ability cop
zakk - uhhh reflexive day role blocker? or something
elbirn - OS cop/dayvig
BP - OS cop/dayvig
Oversoul - vote thief
yukari - modified 1 shot executor
Xtoxm - double voter
Fire - vanilla

[Xtoxm]

mainly setup speculation and shitty D2 play, with a large dose of POE.

[Xtoxm]

>.<

[Xtoxm]

We're not lynching Elbirn.

[Xtoxm]

Even without the hood ~reasons~, Elbirns reaction to the dayvig and zakks blocking look overwhelmingly town.

[Xtoxm]

klingon

[Xtoxm]

The neighbors have asserted it's the case, we haven't seen any proof of that yet.

[Xtoxm]

i dont think BP has tried to use any abilities

[Xtoxm]

its a night cop i believe

[Xtoxm]

His neighbors certainty in his innocence is infectious though, they wouldn't be saying it without good reason.

[Xtoxm]

Hm. And what about firebringer?

Also why not yukari again?

Yukari is so unbelievably town this game based on Pokerface's interactions with them.

Yukari has stated intent to hammer on just about every wagon except PFs which he was absent from so that's not true.

[Xtoxm]

Zakk becomes very close to confirmed town thanks to his role and our role.

Explain this one

[Xtoxm]

The plan is a tweaked version of what I suggested earlier.

The only problem is your choice for lynch, Skull is town.

You're accepting that town has 4 cops and a watcher. I don't buy that.

[Xtoxm]

Also we do need to confirm that BP is real, however I do think he probably is, never really understood the assumptions of him being vanilla

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Alch-Yukari team still seems more likely.

Not going to L-1 Skull at this time.

What is your plan for if you are wrong about Alchemist, at what point in the chain does he die?

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you are at least obvtown

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he only role claimed

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im going to have reading how Skull responds to all this anyway

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have fun*

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why do you want him at L-1 so bad

this goes SO against my game view

I want to at least see what Skull says first, someone might hammer.

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you're ability to extract an actual wagon out of this town is impressive

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ok thats L-2

go sleep

i'm enjoying this game too much i'm not going to risk mislynching Skull without a claim

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ok thats L-2

go sleep

i'm enjoying this game too much i'm not going to risk mislynching Skull without a claim

Just give me L-1. Please.
I want to see his fakeclaim as much as you do.

NO.

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VOTE: Skull
VOTE: Skull

This better be right Nacho

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Varsoon get in here

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now you have stay awake for the flip though

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well actually varsoon might take like 12 hours to appear

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it's fucking nacho he's a manipulative bastard.

in this case he's manipulating us as town though so it's ok

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you dont know me

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i could have pushed through your lynch if i wanted alchemist

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Nacho and then 1 other vote from somewhere

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gn

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That's a pretty daft comment Elbirn when other players here + the mod are in that game

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God dammit Nacho

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Indeed

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Alchemist and Yukari probably.

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We already have

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Honey, watcher.

We need to wait for result claims then I want alchemists head..

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No comment, claim a result, me or Fire, thanks.

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1109

Everyone except Skull claimed at some point yesterday.

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rofl

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Stop pissing about zakk.

Not a negative utility ability, it's just powerful and I used it to do something you don't agree with. Besides, I can't use it to block you again anyway

So what is this, clearly you can and have.

You have now cost town 2 dayvigs. How is your role in any way town?

You can fuck with Elbirn's dayvig, which is impressive.

But can you fuck with mine?

Let's find out.......................................


VOTE: Zakk
VOTE: Zakk
VOTE: Zakk

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So Skull did actually shoot me, and zakk fucked with it...Wow I got lucky. It's hilarious how much of a negative utility zakk was to his team. Nacho so nearly cost me the game.

I enjoyed this game a lot. <3

My power was cool. I don't think it was necessarily scum sided. Town didn't make the most of their abilities, BP especially.

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And...Sorry for that quickhammer Skull. You seemed like one of the most engaged players and were fun to play with.

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You can make my PT public.

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Yeah I was surprised you didn't out it immediately. I was fully prepared to take you on in a 1v1 for the lynch on D3. Then you faffed around with claiming it, you kinda did hint at it but everyone ignored it and then zakk got 2 votes so I went for the hammer.

Also, I loved how it felt like Varsoon was colluding with me when I was solo. He didn't give me an advantage or anything, just moral support. You'll see if you read my PT.

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Zakk - You did ultimately support my lynch but it was a POE compromise.

Alchemist was onto me somehow, and he was widely townread so if he'd put some effort into pushing me I might have been in trouble..But he literally

never gave a single reason

for voting, and despite people townreading him early on, he lurked and people were scumreading him mid way through D2.

My 'suspicion' of Alchemist was entirely contrived; when I realised he wasn't going away I decided calling him scum was the better option. Nacho touched on my terrible reads but I had to get mislynches from somewhere.

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Can we get the neighborhood PTs please, really interested to see what was said in Aloha Oe.

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Damn, Xtoxi, you really, really, super really wanted me dead! Wow!

<3

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VARSOON

neighbor PTs

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Not all the neighbors have signed off on saying that it's cool to share what they've said there.
I'm only going to share them if every neighbor says that it is okay to share it.
There are several players who prefer to keep their things-said-in-PT-confidence to stay 'secret'--just tryin' to respect that.

>_>

the hoods are so large it's unlikely they're going to all check in and sign off

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can you at least PM everyone to ask for sign off reply

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I'll pre-in.

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Will it be bastard?