Mini 1686: Give Me A Clue! Mafia (Game Over)

[farside22]

I'm just going to point out the three players keep calling me scum or scummy yet none have made a case.

I'll just start quoting the other part of my sig for the next person to say I'm scum with no reason.

[farside22]

I didn't have time to fight. I also asked who was listening to me?

[farside22]

it really shld be obvious that i thought the claim looked fake and i was wondering who came up with it.

what part of this do you not understand?

I can try to rephrase this response for you.

we thought bella was scum. we thought it looked like a scum fake claim. I was wondering who came up with the scum fake claim.

I wld like for you to address how you didn't really fight for bella but came in and tried to pretend that you did with your "I old you sos" and to answer if you think hypocrisy is a town tell.

and yes, I am aware that zak is totally fanning the flames or doing what we call on my used-to-be-homesite "feeding this shit".

but I wld still like a response

So?
I mean from my prospective it looked like a shit comment which ygs agreed with me.

Also again I'll point out to you I did the same thing in survivor when no one listened to me and I got people to promise to vote my way when I felt I was right.
Why are you dismissing that Mollie.

Or can I ask why I would kill NS who called me town and would vote with me and what I gain from his death?
You know since wifom seems to be your thing, I want to know if I can use it to?

[farside22]

Meanwhile, are you town or not? And who do you think is scum aside from Piratecat?

Pointless question
And pointless question.

Here I'll respond for a change

, then you tell me how it helps you determine my alignment

1. Yes I'm town
2. You and ric, which I stated with reasons already today.

this is your problem

i've highlighted it

lose the attitude or get called stupid

So basically you get to dodge my questions all you want and that's okay, but if I don't you make shitty comments?

Let me know why.

[farside22]

I didn't have time to fight. I also asked who was listening to me?

and i said that

I

was!

why are you going all cassandra on me

Ummm no you weren't.

I unvoted them.
You pushed there claim as scummy

[farside22]

Meanwhile, are you town or not? And who do you think is scum aside from Piratecat?

Pointless question
And pointless question.

Here I'll respond for a change

, then you tell me how it helps you determine my alignment

1. Yes I'm town
2. You and ric, which I stated with reasons already today.

this is your problem

i've highlighted it

lose the attitude or get called stupid

mod: just pointing this one out. He does it again and I'm replacing out

I might just have an undersensitive barometer but that's still pretty tame.

Replacing out, while it would make me sad, is something it's well within your rights to do if you feel he's being extreme.

[farside22]

Farside stop being oversensitive

Mollie I am stuffing away my paranoia of you and am 100% going to work with you

Dude is calling me stupid because I don't awnser right away a question. Yet he never respond to the questions I ask.

Idc if you think it's oversensativle, it's pretty fucking unnecessary.

[farside22]

Why is ric town

[farside22]

I really don't get the Azrel scum read.
No no one has presented anything that says why he's scum.
Zakk is just asking questions that serve no purpose at all. I see nothing town about him.
Ric....like I said before d3 post and ric is a big thinker as town. He has moments of self doubt that I'm not seeing this game, which is part of where my scum read of him stems from.

Numberq, dr.d and riabi all are pretty non entity here.

Vote: zakk

@mollie: I'm not always a cheerleader/protector. When push comes to shove I'll just clam up due to frustration rather then exploded, as you can see me exploding isn't really the best for the game.
Also it just makes me hate the game more in the long run.

[farside22]

Meanwhile, are you town or not? And who do you think is scum aside from Piratecat?

Pointless question
And pointless question.

Here I'll respond for a change

, then you tell me how it helps you determine my alignment

1. Yes I'm town
2. You and ric, which I stated with reasons already today.

this is your problem

i've highlighted it

lose the attitude or get called stupid

So basically you get to dodge my questions all you want and that's okay, but if I don't you make shitty comments?

Let me know why.

What questions am I dodging?


And let's just lynch Azral already, this game is getting super old and I'm sick of it.

You just quoted something I asked.

[farside22]

Just stick with voting zakk

[farside22]

Or vote ric.

[farside22]

I'm a bit paranoid.

Unvote

.

Azreal: why did you vote ygs?

[farside22]

sorry what is this mass claiming fiasco?
also i'm pretty sure farside v zakk is tvt.
riabi's attack on zakk is bad. he essentially says, despite having a bigger scum read on Azral, he wants to attack zakk for ad homiem and a nonsense analysis on 955.

That was how I read it. It made me go and rad azrel

[farside22]

Good luck getting a response.

[farside22]

I'm a bit paranoid.

About?

sorry what is this mass claiming fiasco?
also i'm pretty sure farside v zakk is tvt.
riabi's attack on zakk is bad. he essentially says, despite having a bigger scum read on Azral, he wants to attack zakk for ad homiem and a nonsense analysis on 955.

That was how I read it. It made me go and rad azrel

[farside22]

If that's not clear, let me know.

[farside22]

Yeah, not really. Please elaborate if you don't mind.

Your post was weirdly written in so far you talked about azrel and I couldn't remember if you were scum reading him before but I forgot azrel hammered ygs and I reread azrel and saw he never explained a scum read and his hammer was pretty bad there.

Plus you've been MIA.

I'd probably vote Zakk again in a heartbeat. If he is town I'd considering banning him from future games.

[farside22]

Let's see.
Zakk criticizes, belittle and dodge anyone who and then has the attitude of why should I respond to any question. I'll just call people stupid while I ask pointless questions.

I said I'd pre/in you and I'll stick with it no matter what. I'm sure I won't have to worry though.

[farside22]

Pc: explain how Zakk is town. At all.

[farside22]

Azral: you never said what about ygs was scummy.
I'm asking you what made you think they were scummy.

[farside22]

tier, far, zak can we plz lynch do little plz? far i know you want zak's head on a platter but i don't think he is scum here. if i thought he was I wld help you out cos I got ur back sista but I just don't think he is. will you pretty plz at least consider lynching doolittle? he was all like "there is at least 1 scum in far, tier, piratecat" and then went *poof* w/o doing a thing to try to sort us out while voteparking on azral.

srsly can we plz lynch him? like kill it with fire blah blah blood for the blood gods blah blah

he is objectively the scummiest player in the game and he is sitting on the sidelines letting town eat its own.

I'm not voting Zakk because he is making mean comments. I voted him before it and the only reason I'm not switching back is my attention is on azrel.
Something about dr.d and alch interaction is in my head. Can you smack me tomorrow to reread that interaction please.

[farside22]

My brian has checked out for the day.

Zzzzzz

[farside22]

I did research on Zakk and apparently his ego and abressive attitude is typical.
I saw him doing it as town but not as scum.

Checking what I missed and then looking at dr.d/alch interaction

[farside22]

Okay my reads are developing differently because of some reading and my research.

Town:
Pc (still hate your comment to ygs)
Zakk
Numberq

Null
Tier
Dr.d

Scum:
Azrel
Ric

This is subject to change after I reread a few things.

[farside22]

Okay I reread azrel and dr.d.

Dr.d moves to scum now because the argument between him and alch look fakes, especially as alch continues to push it, dr.d moves to ygs. Day 2 he votes azrel out of no where.

Vote: dolittle

[farside22]

Yeah, no, really not liking this Dolittle wagon. His latest posts read extremely town. Funny how the entire group he's accusing of containing scum is voting him...

Eventually you will have to buss your scum buddy there.

[farside22]

His reasoning in 1162 looks to be coming from a town thought process; it's very logically driven and is convincingly genuine. His defence in 1164 also looks equally genuine. He generally has "harmless villager" vibes written all over him.

Why exactly is he scum to you? I ISOed you and found that you have actually provided no motive for your vote.

You didn't provide a reason to vote pc.

Also the two links you provided has wifom nka, which is crap.
The second is null. All you did there was use buzz words with explaining the town read.

[farside22]

@ric:

can someone do a nk analysis

I stopped doing that years ago because it is WIFOM
players are killed for typically the following reason

1) their reads
2) they are preceived as a PR
3) they are universally town read and will not be lynched ever

[farside22]

@ far

when you looked at zak did he take glaring hypocritical stances as town?

cos his posts:

tier I think I wanna lynch zak

you're playing the crowd

you don't actually want to lynch anyone you don't have community support for

because you don't want to take credit for any lynch going through

you just keep gauging other people's suspicions and thoughts and keep taking polls of who wants to lynch who, when

it's scummy. really scummy

my read on you is getting muddier and muddier

town, don't let her/them live to endgame. please.

cos

I'll be VLA tomorrow, Saturday, Sunday. Might get a contentful post up later today, if I finish packing/being lazy early enough.

if it has a piratecat vote in it, i will love you.

is comically hypocritical and I don't know what to do with it.

I am waffling hard on him. on 1 hand he is too scummy to be scum but on the other this is like wth.

Just a lot of your dumb comments I noted.

Also this is the second day in a row dr.d pointed to a night kill anaysis. It is very bias and not well thought out.

[farside22]

wat

what dumb comments did I make exactly?

and who is doolittle's nka biased towards he is saying that it was a low info nk.

UNVOTE:

Not you. I mean when I looked at zakk' past games he made a lot of you are dumb comments and he was errogant.

[farside22]

I was referring to this post by dolittle

There is certainly one or more mafia between

{TierShift
farside22
Piratecat}

This is my analysis: The 2NKs have been on players who haven't posted much or given much reads as town. The NK I feel like is to leave as little information as possible. With that said, suppose that all three players above are town. In D1 and D2, little suspicion has been thrown onto these three players above. Despite that, the scum must be confident enough that they can take on these three high frequency posting, high profile players. However, I conjecture that most of the remaining players don't dare as much to keep all three of these alive - especially considering their reads are not uniform throughout the playerbase.

It only makes sense that one or more of the three people above are scum, and they are pretty confident in dealing with the others.

also i'm pretty sure farside v zakk is tvt.

PC keeps on droning on how I don't give anything after that post. That's not true. Farside is not scum due to her early interactions with farside in day 1 – scum usually do their early game chit chat in the scum chat. The later hop of the wagon after it's been building makes me less sure, however. Now, we have isolated scum into {TS and PC}.
I'm leaning scum more towards PC because of
1. voting YGS after wagon build-up
2. lazy push on me regarding reads
3. lots of worthless poop flinging

[farside22]

wat

what dumb comments did I make exactly?

and who is doolittle's nka biased towards he is saying that it was a low info nk.

UNVOTE:

Not you. I mean when I looked at zakk' past games he made a lot of you are dumb comments and he was errogant.

okay I was wondering if we were having 1 of our breakdown in communications moments.

what i am specifically asking is was zak particularly trollish or hypocritical when he was town?

Trollish yes.
I don't recall him being hypocrital.

I didn't keep links but I don't think he had a lot of games here is you want to check.

[farside22]

@ric:

can someone do a nk analysis

I stopped doing that years ago because it is WIFOM
players are killed for typically the following reason

1) their reads
2) they are preceived as a PR
3) they are universally town read and will not be lynched ever

That doesn't explain anything. He simply gave his opinion as to why the scum NKed the way they did. How is that WIFOM?

His point is that us 3 are suspicious because we should be threats to the scumteam if we're town and scum takes no measure at all to eliminate these threats

My counterpoint is that we weren't the only threats. If he sees us as threats, kthx and notscience should definitely be considered threats. That means that out of 5 threats, 2 have already been eliminated and I probably go tonight.

He's acting as if we're the only ones scum can be afraid of. That's bullshit.

This ^

I could care less if Zakk replaced out.

[farside22]

Spoiler:

sigh. I can't even believe I'm having to explain this.

Mala isn't even close to on the table for lynching today. She soft claimed and then harder claimed that she is a PR. If she's town, scum either take a risk to let her live hoping to get a mislynch at some point OR (and most likely) they NK her making figuring her out not important right now in the least. Come D3 (maaaaybe at the earliest D2), if she's still alive, then I'll start to have some concern about her alignment. Either way, her alignment will be more clear later on. Period. Don't noob this site up more with any arguments to this because ^this is smart and if you say anything against it, you are, to be blunt, a dumbass.

I STILL haven't seen anyone push either of the top 2 wagons. With deadline approaching, this isn't time for 'ooooh, look at me vote like a rebel'. It's a waste of time unless you plan on pushing it with a case and actually trying to convince others that you have the best case. coughAzralcough.

Speaking of Azral, you've said the top two wagons are good and likely on scum. You've then said with much more conviction that mala is obv scum. Yet you vote me. Your posts and actions do not line up. Also, how the fuck you miss a PR soft claim enough to call the person who made it obv-scum. Are you actually reading the thread?

Sadly, I'm leaning town on Azral. He's been way to contradictory to be scum. Unless he's super-noob-scum, scum are way more careful about what they post and avoid contradiction.

I actually really like YGS's latest post. Not gonna throw them into confirmed town status, but they'd be a bad lynch today I think.

Malakittens is 100% lurker-scum, but I've decided not to vote her today.

This is 100% what I'm feeling.

^this is hypocritical as hell. TS has a grand total of 35 posts that say absolutely nothing. He's also not even attempting to push the wagon he's on. Could go for a TS lynch today.

Leaning town on numberQ. Although he has fewer posts than TS, he has said much more. I feel a genuine attempt to find scum here

I'm town reading Ricastle only due to his predecessor. d3x and I go way back. First, d3x's limited posting gave me town vibes. Second, I don't see d3x replacing out as scum. These aren't 100% tells, but I'm going with them for now.

Part of me feels like neither of the top wagons are scum. If scum weren't on the wagons, one would be much closer to a lynch right now. I feel like scum are biding their time and waiting to see which takes off come deadline. I got a gut feeling on this and I'd like to trust it.

I'd honestly like to push through a TS lynch just for the point I made above. It's D1 so there's not even a VCA to go off of as we have no flips. None of the scum have scum-slipped. The post I pointed out above is the best reason given to lynch anyone in this game today so far. TS should be today's lynch.

VOTE: TS

I will follow them ladies to the end of the earth.

VOTE: alch

obvtown wall of mollie's

k i skimmed their iso

this is town

And I will work with them tomorrow!

TOWN
malamollie
farside- due to alch interactions looking more like svt than svs
Tiershift- he looks nothing like mod error tiershift
ricastle- sheeping ktb's read on d3x
RIabi- gut

I fully acknowledge tiershift saying my reason to townread him is bad and ignore him saying that

Let's get this lynch on the road.

If you join this wagon I will give you my vote to lynch zakk tomorrow no questions asked

These quotes show that both kthx and notscience had their own reads that they clearly stated. They show that both were willing to work with others and they also show that kthx pushes hard for the lynches he wants.

That is definitely enough to be considered a threat and I would consider them bigger threats than farside, as farside is not trying to work towards town cohesion.

*flash tier a middle finger*

[farside22]

Yea and we each have are on indivisible reason and typically about 95% mini has 3 scum total.

[farside22]

Okay I reread azrel and dr.d.

Dr.d moves to scum now because the argument between him and alch look fakes, especially as alch continues to push it, dr.d moves to ygs. Day 2 he votes azrel out of no where.

Vote: dolittle

You can role all you want, tell me how it's wrong.

[farside22]

It is the exact analysis scum in your spot wants to make. As scum, you add new players to the lynch pool and you paint the people who are working together as scummy, so you can drive a wedge between them and the rest of the town. You also rally support for lynching a strong town player: if you were scum and seeing us as threats, this is the exact way you would go about eliminating us.

no as scum, i kill strong town players, not go heads up against them.

when you form reads you inevitably add players to lynch pool. otherwise, everyday would be no lynch and the game would be awfully dull

ok. one last time. dumbing it down

my hypothesis is that the following players
DrDolittle
Riabi
Azral
zakk
Ricastle
numberQ
would not regard notty and kthx as threats, because of notty and kthx's relatively weak posts and their lack of experience with notty and kthx's game strength. thus an entire scum team composed of these players will not kill notty and kthx, but instead go for a more prolific poster like in (pc, ts, farside) if you guys are all town.

therefore, there has to be one scum in (pc, ts, farside) in the scum team

so what your thoughts on notty and kthx doesn't matter. its what

DrDolittle
Riabi
Azral
zakk
Ricastle
numberQ

thinks that really counts.

if you still don't get it then i can't do anything anymore. maybe try a mutivitamin tablet daily?>

More wifom

Here let me return it back.

Kthy and notty called me town. I gain nothing as scum in there death.

Good luck wifom you garbage from that.

[farside22]

More wifom

Here let me return it back.

Kthy and notty called me town. I gain nothing as scum in there death.

Good luck wifom you garbage from that.

can you read? i now understand zakk's frustration. you have like a logic skill of a 2 but an ego of an 11. you don't understand my argument at all, yet you are trying terrifically hard to discredit it.

let me try again. am i calling you scum? no. my claim is that it can't be that both scum is in

DrDolittle
Riabi
Azral
zakk
Ricastle
numberQ

because they could not view notty and kthx as a threat based on their in game posts. therefore, there is a scum outside this group, which is you, ts, pc.

THE HYPOTHESIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. STOP SAYING WHAT YOUR FEELING IS. IT DOESNT MATTER. TS GOT IT, BUT YOURE STILL HOLDING THE SHITBATON.

also you left out that i called you town and removed you from the pool after making the hypothesis. so your counterargument really doesn't make any sense at all.

Way to dismiss and belittle.
Your point is activity. I'm asking why you think someone in the group of three you are point to, which includes me, would kill a player that is town reading them.

Here is kythx read for pc.

Easy. Deadline is quickly approaching, the Piratecat voted you, and I'm town reading YGS more than I am you.

There are a plethora of players doing nothing in this game right now. Dolittle is doing little and it's noted, but he's not a viable wagon seeing as nobody is very active.

I think Mollie has seen my Town game enough times that if she tells you people I'm Town, you better fucking believe I'm Town.

Her vote says you're not town.

Lastly, you just jumped from slightly being town read to pure scum b/c of your last post. Town don't miss the need for claiming when they were at L-1 on the previous page and knowing The day will end in (expired on 2015-07-03 22:00:00).

Here notty is town reading tier.

I fully acknowledge tiershift saying my reason to townread him is bad and ignore him saying that

Let's get this lynch on the road.

If you join this wagon I will give you my vote to lynch zakk tomorrow no questions asked

You know why scum keep 3 active player like us alive, because we are fight each other.
more wifom

[farside22]

So beside the stupid nka dolittle tell me why titus or pc is scum in your view.

[farside22]

And there is scum for you dismissing anyone's pov

[farside22]

I read your point 3 times.
But it's the same shit over and over.
Wifom nka.

I asked outside that what makes titus or pc scum?

[farside22]

You know why scum keep 3 active player like us alive, because we are fight each other.
more wifom

this is exactly where 1523 shines. keeping the only 3 strong active players that are town alive might be good for WIFOM, but there is a large probability that these players can go ahead and find scum and strongarm their lynch, and that is very much undesirable, so much so that the WIFOM value pales in comparison to killing one of you off.

but i guess i can see the argument to keeping you alive because youre absolutely clueless

Whatever you say scummy butt

[farside22]

Sorry too many games syndrome mollie

[farside22]

I asked outside that what makes titus or pc scum?

why are you trying make me ignore my reasoning? that's the basis of my vote.

i isolate to 1+ scum in three people, I town read you, and i think ts is more scummy than pc.

i'm thinking of retracting my town read, but dense =! scummy.

Tier was being scum read by Kthx but town read by notty.

Am I missing your point other then low talkers?

[farside22]

Let's play a what if game.
Dolittle based on your point if tier is lynched and flips town are you going to be using the same point against Mollie?

[farside22]

Hi hot stuff.

[farside22]

Great.
Vote dolittle

[farside22]

I've been town reading Q.
Did you read his point about ric?

[farside22]

Like I said already I thought Ric was trying to find a way onto Azral's wagon. I didn't get the vibe he came to the conclusion Azral was scum, rather he saw a growing wagon and made something up to jump on it. He didn't make a single indication he thought Azral was suspicious until post 828 in day 3 (although he did mention Math once early game, then never brought it up again). Post 828 was not only Ric's first mention of Azral, it was his only one until the vote. Opportunistic af

My Riabi scum-read is mostly activity based, but I ISOed him and Alch because of zakk's posts and I can see what he means. They were pretty pointedly NOT talking to each other, except about superficial things.

meh imma vote Ric

VOTE: Ricastle

Also, I keep going back and forth on thinking zakk is scum. I guess right now he's on a town swing in my head.

[farside22]

This is what I noted when I reread day 1

Okay I reread azrel and dr.d.

Dr.d moves to scum now because the argument between him and alch look fakes, especially as alch continues to push it, dr.d moves to ygs. Day 2 he votes azrel out of no where.

Vote: dolittle

Dr.d has been riding pretty low till he has been called out. His nka reasons are very one sided and irrational points.

[farside22]

Nope

[farside22]

We could lynch ric since you know he is scummy as shit.
Or for fun lynch tier, see what happens and if he's town never listen to dolittle stupid theory.
Or we lynch dolittle who keeps dodging questions.

[farside22]

We could lynch ric since you know he is scummy as shit.
Or for fun lynch tier, see what happens and if he's town never listen to dolittle stupid theory.
Or we lynch dolittle who keeps dodging questions.

are you townreading persus thing cos I am not

I total you about Zakk and I found his comments good.

Why is he a scum read to you.

[farside22]

are you townreading persus thing cos I am not

You're probably mad because I called bullshit on the replace out and back in crap.

you are right in that mala is mad for that reason and cos you wanted to pl her. but I am scumreading you for different reasons!

Why?

[farside22]

I think ric/dr.d scum team.


Pervisal: what's your thought on tier?

[farside22]

Azrel, pervisal replaced Zakk.
Why are you telling dolittle to vote there?

[farside22]

I don't see pc scum except for one post.
Otherwise this reads Mollie town to me.

[farside22]

How about azrel?

And what do you think of the dolittle votes?

I feel azrel has been pretty quiet, which is a scumtell for me.

[farside22]

Who wants to give reads on these:
Riabi
Azral
Ricastle

Because that's my current wagon...

Null
Leaning scum
Scum

[farside22]

Pc: stop fighting with my boyfriend.
If you vote ric with me, I'd love you forever

[farside22]

There is nothing town about ric.
Not even remotely.

[farside22]

I consider voting tier because he seems to just take pot shots at people and call them scummy for no reason at all.

[farside22]

Ah.
Just so you know, some players do that regardless of alignment and are known to do that.
It's not a slap at you persivul just you were a newb and once your not arrogance starts to rear its ugly head

[farside22]

By the by im not voting persivul at all.

[farside22]

I really don't get the point of this ^

[farside22]

VOTE: Ric

[farside22]

Well Azral said he liked Persivul's reads

Nope.
I'll go for Ricastle if I can't have Persivul, but right now I like my vote.

I'd like your reads on everyone, Persival.

are you townreading persus thing cos I am not

You're probably mad because I called bullshit on the replace out and back in crap.

Scum mad or town mad?

Vote: azrel

Go, go, go

[farside22]

Vote azrel

[farside22]

Without talking about zakk, weak entrance, with a lot of shitty reasoning and bad pushes on people I think are town.

What people do you think are town? Scum?

I thought Zakk was scum until I read his meta and saw he was pretty typucally a shit player

[farside22]

Well riabi is pretty useless. I don't think either of you are scum but at least you are around.

Vote: riabi

[farside22]

I think it's time for mass claim.
azrel and ric are my top 2 scum reads.

[farside22]

I was asking for an oppinion Mollie.

I'm a vt

Popcorn to tier

[farside22]

I thought tier was the town person doing the posting under the mod

[farside22]

I thought tier was the town person doing the posting under the mod

so you mean you had tier as town rep?

can you walk me through as to why you wld draw that conclusion?

The wifom last night.

[farside22]

PC, apart from 1424, why is Far scum again? Also, why did you claim on the word of your scumread?

I was in the process of making that post when far posted but I am multitasking and so the response is slower than usual.

I think it is far and persivul.

[farside22]

Sorry I'm town.
Not my best town performance but I'm town.

Pc: did you look into zakk' meta?

[farside22]

CLUE:

I think TierShift was signaling my identity to his partner, which is suspicious given that he's V/LA during the night. If I turn up dead, please lynch him tomorrow.

Votecount 3.FINAL

Riabi [LYNCH] - TierShift, DrDolittle, numberQ, Persivul, farside22

Persivul [L-1] - Riabi, Azral, Ricastle, Piratecat

Not Voting [0] -

With 9 alive, it takes

5

to lynch. The day

will end in (expired on 2015-07-23 12:00:00)

is over.

Riabi

was lynched Day 3. He was

Vanilla Town

.

Night 3

will end in (expired on 2015-07-25 11:00:00)

is over.

numberQ

was killed Night 3. He was

Vanilla Town

.

The clue here.

It was wifom, but prior to this was the reach out to pc.
The two comments lead me to tier as town rep

[farside22]

Hey guys posting from vla.

I used my super secret scum hunting power and deducrd that Farside is scum

You're welcom

Vote: dolittle

Calling bs right now

[farside22]

Don't think too har persivul, ric is scum this game.

[farside22]

far, are you planning on doing more than calling bs on dolittle, i.e. make a case that he's scum and explain why he would put a false report on you? If you don't (or if you do and it's not convincing) we pretty much have to lynch you today, with the understanding that if you flip green dolittle is autolynched tomorrow.

If he's claiming a report he's scum.
I don't care if you lynch me today because once I flip town you lynch him.

If he isn't claiming a report he is still scum because he was calling me town on day 3.

[farside22]

Hey guys posting from vla.

I used my super secret scum hunting power and deducrd that Farside is scum

You're welcom

This does not look like an informative claim to me more than sarcasm. Why would he investigate a townread over Tier or PC, anyway? No doubt there's reasoning behind his vote, but I see nothing to indicate it's role-related. At this point it just looks like you're trying to line up lynches for the game.

1458 is some blatant dodging and misrepresentation, as well. As if you've forgotten that you were the one to raise this topic...realising how deep the hole you've dug yourself into really is now, eh?

You are so scummy it hurts.

I took it as a fake claim to push a lynch on town while he disappears and hopes people will react first and ask second.
Then next day go oh I wasn't claiming bs.
Saying scum doesn't try to do that is crap.

Now we wait for mr.scum to clarify his comment.

[farside22]

Mildly interesting that far and Persival both assumed that was a guilty.

What do you think he meant?

[farside22]

Mildly interesting that far and Persival both assumed that was a guilty.

bingo

I didn't take it to mean that he had an actual guilty on far but now I am wondering if he did have 1!

OH TIIIIIEEEEEEEERRRRRR

What did you think he meant?

[farside22]

And no ISO t want this lets wait anymore stuff.

I took it as he is fake claiming a track based on the wording

[farside22]

Someone wake me when dolittle comes back and when there is a replacement for tier.

[farside22]

Hi aeronaut

[farside22]

i can investigate 2 players per night.
n1 I investigated farside twice. both were scum
i wasn't sure so
n2 I investigated farside twice. both were scum
i still wasn't sure so
n3 I investigated farside twice. both were scum
by now im like 80% sure

guys you should sheep me

Welp I'm happy with my vote.

Also you should read where he calls me town day 3 to know this claim is bullshit

[farside22]

Also if not sure, would check someone else.

[farside22]

Can someone give me a lowdown of what's going on right now? Like claims/etc

Pc claimed doc.
We know there is a town rep. I assume it is you.
Everyone else claimed vt, except the liar dr. D

[farside22]

@farside: what is your read on PC? I don't like them personally, and that bias may be affecting my read.


@PC: what's your read on farside? I like her personally, and that bias may be affecting my read.

Pc is town. This is very much Mollie as town. She is very emotional player with moments of paranioa.

Everyone likes Farside personally

<3

I know that's not true but thanks!

In all seriousness I see dr.d/ric as scum
Azrel is the only one I question out of everyone alive.

With dr.d it is more then his fake read. The day 1 interaction with alch reads really off.
Also the nka is very one sided and if someone is going to do nka they will look at the whole. There are gaps in logic, I checked his meta on this and he doesn't have gaps in logic with nka.

[farside22]

hey cool cats.

see the following three very closely together posts:

Sorry I'm town.
Not my best town performance but I'm town.

Pc: did you look into zakk' meta?

This nagged me a lot. unnatural as f. turns out scum farside has said something similar along this line too sometime in the past. has town farside said this? I don't think soooo

Well riabi is pretty useless. I don't think either of you are scum but at least you are around.

Vote: riabi

seems like a forced explaination of sorts. almost grappling for reads, as if she knows riabi is going to flip town. Note previously her read on riabi is null.

I think it's time for mass claim.
azrel and ric are my top 2 scum reads.

gives no reason for mass claim - gives two scum reads then proceeds to omgus. naice

far also nags me about having 'fake' interactions with alch. well well well.

i looked into alch's meta and it seems alch is not prone to interacting with scum partners early on the day.

that was almost the basis of my entire day 1.

hey hey hey far are you voting me cause you are insecure of your day 1 interaction with alch since your voting patterns on him is weird.

Hey newsflash I've been scum reading you since day 3.
I know that had to be bypassed by you in order to claim omgus but the facts are on my side.
Second I don't know when is the right time to claim. I was asking others.
Also at least I'm saying who my scum reads are. You've done nothing as far as
reads go.
As for the bold I did too. You want to share links because I'll be happy to show the opposite.

[farside22]

There are gaps in logic, I checked his meta on this and he doesn't have gaps in logic with nka.

lol the only gaps are the ones in your head

Someone bypassing the players those are dead were scum reading isn't doing nka any justic.

[farside22]

If bella is bellaphant I would vote for yougotschooled.
I know her scum play well.

At that point she had only made one post: 84. That's a heck of a read from one post.

Bella and I were in a game together recently where we were both scum and her point to me read scummy

[farside22]

This nagged me a lot. unnatural as f. turns out scum farside has said something similar along this line too sometime in the past. has town farside said this? I don't think soooo

[citation needed]

Soo I could see some of this as a reason for you to suspect her, but were these points really enough to change your mind from townreading her yesterday?

Everyone else claimed vt, except the liar dr. D

Ricastle and I haven't claimed either.
I'm VT.

Also the nka is very one sided and if someone is going to do nka they will look at the whole. There are gaps in logic, I checked his meta on this and he doesn't have gaps in logic with nka.

Not sure how you checked something like that with meta.

I thought you and ric claimed.
Sorry.

I used word search and found tow games by dr.d where he did nka comments.

[farside22]

I just did a slow read through D1 and I currently think the scum team is PC/far/alch.

Tell me what drew you to that conclusion

[farside22]

The 180 he just did is unusual for me.
I only played one completed game with him and he was town

[farside22]

The 180 he just did is unusual for me.
I only played one completed game with him and he was town

can you plz link the game?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=61818

[farside22]

@persivul:

I just did a slow read through D1 and I currently think the scum team is PC/far/alch.

Tell me what drew you to that conclusion

[farside22]

The 180 he just did is unusual for me.
I only played one completed game with him and he was town

can you plz link the game?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=61818

okay I think I get why you might feel a weird obligation to him if you are town since you were an sk?

I don't see any fantastic chemistry between you 2 in that game so i am not really understanding why saw him as town right off the bat simply cos zak is frequently abrasive in games and not answer the hypocrisy that I asked you about zak. I asked you if you came across zak being hypocritical and you said no so it seems weird to me that you wld put a sub into the immediate town category with a weak meta read on zak and not try to figure him out.

Why would I switch reads with a replacement?

@persivul:

I just did a slow read through D1 and I currently think the scum team is PC/far/alch.

Tell me what drew you to that conclusion

Your interactions with alch on D1 and the way you so easily followed PC in an attempt to start an alternate wagon to him late in phase.

For PC it's D1 reads, the attempt at the alternate wagon, and the fact that she's still alive after making a D1 PR claim. Plus, she claimed doc, so she can't say that she's being protected.

All in all I still like my alch vote and I don't see anything town from him.
Q is definately more questionable on reread.
I don't see Tier as scum like others do and riabi I may have to reconsider.
I would like to see Flames vigged or killed or replaced since he is more useless then a third tit is on me.

All I see reading alch's last post is someone throwing a tantrum

Vote: zakk

In 476 you still like your alch vote...apparently still like it in 479...then in 482 you changed to zakk with no explanation. Why?

I voted alch earily on after tier and bella post. I don't see why you consider that late?
Zakk voted alch out of the blue with no other reads, that was pretty scummy I didn't switch because of pc.

[farside22]

I hope people lynch me so when I flip town they lynch dr.d and ric when I flip town

[farside22]

Because the omgus and I never said I had a scum read figured he would just vote me.
Sooooo much town there, right persivul?

[farside22]

Why am I scum ric?
What happens when I flip town, and I called you scum there?

[farside22]

Persivul: why are you ignoring ric?

[farside22]

Just going to quite where I voted the players that ric says I never voted to show he's lying.

Okay my reads are developing differently because of some reading and my research.

Town:
Pc (still hate your comment to ygs)
Zakk
Numberq

Null
Tier
Dr.d

Scum:
Azrel
Ric

This is subject to change after I reread a few things.

Okay I reread azrel and dr.d.

Dr.d moves to scum now because the argument between him and alch look fakes, especially as alch continues to push it, dr.d moves to ygs. Day 2 he votes azrel out of no where.

Vote: dolittle

I think ric/dr.d scum team.


Pervisal: what's your thought on tier?

VOTE: Ric

Well Azral said he liked Persivul's reads

Nope.
I'll go for Ricastle if I can't have Persivul, but right now I like my vote.

I'd like your reads on everyone, Persival.

are you townreading persus thing cos I am not

You're probably mad because I called bullshit on the replace out and back in crap.

Scum mad or town mad?

Vote: azrel

Go, go, go

[farside22]

On a closer d1 read ric came across pretty townie. I think d1 is very important because it resulted in the only scum flip.

How so?
Scum know who else is scum. Staying on a scum buddying and lurking most of the game is not town by any stretch

[farside22]

There is more to the story of me and persivul but that is ongoing game stuff.

[farside22]

mod - the VC has farside listed twice

The mod loves me too.


Anyways I would like dr.d and azrel and aero weigh in on this convo please.

[farside22]

aeronaut's play is a bigger disappointment than when i got to usa and tried real mcd for the first time

[farside22]

There is more to the story of me and persivul but that is ongoing game stuff.

he isn't reciprocating and his reads keep changing to morph into a lynchability that he thinks other pple will buy. what is confusing to me is you keep trying to protect him.

Not any more.
Like I said the 180 and vague comments come across more scummy.

I'd place money ric is scum if I could bet on such a thing.

[farside22]

like that vote on me on 1602 is so fucking weak

Pot, I have to tell you that throwing stones is going to come back and smack you in the face there.

[farside22]

i bet youd like that cause im your competing wagon and mislynch bait

Yea, I'm town.
You made a vote on me for no reason at all.
So I'm not seeing anything town from you.

[farside22]

i bet youd like that cause im your competing wagon and mislynch bait

Yea, I'm town.
You made a vote on me for no reason at all.
So I'm not seeing anything town from you.

I really need you to talk more about persi

You want my unfiltered view.

Okay.

He's and ric's exchange looks really awkward. The fact that suddenly the both dropped their points against each other and started attacking me on weak reason looks scummy as fuck.
Here's the kicker, you have dr.d lurking it up with no case, aero doing shit all and azrel went MIA this game day
In short this town is fucked because the only people really trying are you, me, and the two scum buckets of persivul and ric.

[farside22]

Vote: persivul

I'd like doliitle to respond to people personally.

Aero: I'll get you the link shortly.

[farside22]

@aero it started with ric vote on persivulpost 1421. Just read from there on and see what persivul says, then ric and you get what I'm saying.
When I first read it, ric's case looked like a huge leap and a really stupid reason to scum read someone.

[farside22]

aero plz read every word in every sentence that some1 says?

mala made a joke post earlier in the game about being bp. we think that is why we are still alive cos we think scum might have been taking it srsly.

our claim today is legit

its weird cos I keep coming back to that scum do not know us at all, in any shape or form cos any1 who knows mala shld have been able to pick up on her joking and any1 who knows me shld have picked up my crumbs when they weren't crumbs they were freaking bakeries.

eta: see this is where I feel weird about far!

her vote moves where she thinks pple will go. persi has been doing the same thing.

if doolittle is town I want to meet him in IRL so I can punch him in the face.

Not that I noticed. I'm just not stubborn this game. Which I imagine is driving you crazy the most

[farside22]

I'm just going to repeat myself with a quote and say hammer away

i bet youd like that cause im your competing wagon and mislynch bait

Yea, I'm town.
You made a vote on me for no reason at all.
So I'm not seeing anything town from you.

I really need you to talk more about persi

You want my unfiltered view.

Okay.

He's and ric's exchange looks really awkward. The fact that suddenly the both dropped their points against each other and started attacking me on weak reason looks scummy as fuck.
Here's the kicker, you have dr.d lurking it up with no case, aero doing shit all and azrel went MIA this game day
In short this town is fucked because the only people really trying are you, me, and the two scum buckets of persivul and ric.

[farside22]

@aero it started with ric vote on persivulpost 1421. Just read from there on and see what persivul says, then ric and you get what I'm saying.
When I first read it, ric's case looked like a huge leap and a really stupid reason to scum read someone.

Ok, so reading that interaction... I agree it's giving me weird vibes.

After seeing that though, I took a look back into Ric's ISO, and he was pushing Alch pretty hard / genuinely during D1. Probably need to look into that more.

He did nothing after that. It's the let me attack my scum buddy and glide scum approach.

i had a long post typed out but it disappeared. but here is the basics

pc, I don't understand at all your read progression - it might be a by product hydra and playstyle, but im getting very paranoid.
because you claimed doc, im willing to give you pass - but if areo dies before you, my vote will be parked on your slot until one of us gets lynched

So you think scum don't have a pr there are a rb?
Just an FYI that type of thinking is bad, especially with a vanilla cop flip.

[farside22]

Just lynch ric and persivul when I flip town.
Personally I hold no hope for a town win.
Town is being beyond lazy this game.

[farside22]

Persivul: what info does a town flip of me give you?

[farside22]

Somebody just hammer already

You could hammer persivul unless you want to explain where you scum read of him went?

[farside22]

Persivul: what info does a town flip of me give you?

Your lynch isn't for information, it's because you're scum.

Regarding tomorrow, all the info I need is that PC is still alive.

So you are scum.
I'm glad to know that. I'd hate to be wrong about Zakk there.

Just to point out one more time.

There was a vanilla cop flip. The only reason to have that in the game is if scum have a power role.
You just setting up pc for mislynch.
I also say you are doing that because you tiedus together to push this lynch onto me.

[farside22]

Somebody just hammer already

You could hammer persivul unless you want to explain where you scum read of him went?

It went to you. So yeah I'm not moving back.

And here you go with scum explaining nothing.

[farside22]

nobody with half a brain is gonna lynch us ever,

Would scum with half a brain NK you?

That's the flip side to your argument. As strongly as you argue that I'm stupid for not believing you're a doc, you're arguing that scum are stupid for not believing that you're a doc, because if they believed you, you'd be gone.

Didn't you think the bp claim was real.

There was a vanilla cop flip. The only reason to have that in the game is if scum have a power role.
You just setting up pc for mislynch.

Oh look PC, your buddy is also complaining about my scum reading you, despite the fact that I'm not even voting you.

Not at all I'm referring to what persivul said here.

Persivul: what info does a town flip of me give you?

Your lynch isn't for information, it's because you're scum.

Regarding tomorrow, all the info I need is that PC is still alive.

Again he is saying regardless of my town flip he is calling pc scum if alive.
That is scummy thinking.

[farside22]

god I am starting to think it is azral and ricastle. the prior exchange looks so damned forced.

are you around doolittle?

No. He's scum. One thing I can say 100% about my boyfriend is that he is not dumb.
He's got looks and intelligence.

[farside22]

Again he is saying regardless of my town flip he is calling pc scum if alive.
That is scummy thinking.

And how is it scummy thinking to have independent cases on two different players?

You stated a scum read on me because of pc.
That is not independent case.
Also being vague about interactions is not a case either

[farside22]

He's got looks and intelligence.

And a tongue that just won't stop, but that's neither here nor there.

M

[farside22]

if i were a vig, I wld vig far!

OK, you got me. I'm really

mafia

. GG!

Damn right you are.
Trying to lynch me. I know you want me to get to modding but that was a step to far there buddy.

No ric is scum.
Seriously money on the table, no take backs.

[farside22]

- town points for farside for the back-and-forth on the slot

Considering that I almost got her lynched isn't she cleared now?

Hi I'm farside.
No one ever trust me.
I don't know why.

On a serious note please have your scum buddy kill me tonight

[farside22]

[farside22]

Yay

Sorry dude, I was just trying to help town with some reaction fodder. I really am town. You totally screwed the pooch.

If this is remotely true I'm going to track you down just to smack you in the back of the head.
Either that or ask your wife to do it for me.

[farside22]

Vote: ric

[farside22]

It gets info.
One you can think what you do.
Two my thought is ric is scum with someone else like dr.d
Three this clears players not aligned.
Finally I said before and say it again ric is scum

[farside22]

Alright, that's literally 100% confirmed Farside/Azral as the team. PC, Dolittle, let's get this done.

Flail.

[farside22]

I answered your question?

this is NOT ricastle's town game not by a long shot. I feel more confident about ricastle than far but I am not voting any1 until I have more info.

That was what I said day 2.

[farside22]

I answered your question?

this is NOT ricastle's town game not by a long shot. I feel more confident about ricastle than far but I am not voting any1 until I have more info.

That was what I said day 2.

I know you have been wanting to get him lynched all game. I am sorry, I thought he was the town rep but I am there.

who do you think is his partner?

Dr. D

[farside22]

based on reads or poe?

Both

[farside22]

At least I know not all my reads were horrible this game.

[farside22]

I just know this proves ric scum and I'm a little pissed at knowing that

[farside22]

did ric claim vt? if so,

can someone work with me a bit on setup speculation - is

Town rep (delay confirm IC) + Vanilla cop + 8 VT vs 2 goons + scum PR

is too scumsided, right?

also pc who did you protect last night

Yes.

With a vt cop there should be a scum pr. If gm didn't make one is have a little chat about balance post game.

My prospective is more like

Ric/dr.d
Ric/azrel

[farside22]

Just a reminder of my thought once upon a time ago.

A lot from what I see from ric shows very little interaction with players that he pushed.
Here he jumps on Alch and then talks about how players interacted and that seems to me something I have seen come more from scum when they are this set.
There is also very little reason and case he is providing for those reads. The Wking I get but it's not scummy to wk a player, nor when it was mentioned that YGS voted for alch that it changes his scum read, he just adds it as a reason to keep scum reading the spot.

What's up, bubs?! Hi Bella. Yes I'm town, don't you worry about that!

I skimmed the game a while ago and will give it a proper readthrough in the morning, but it is late and empty statements are all you will be getting for now.

Farside and Tier look super town. Dolittle is null-town; Dino is null-scum. I was seeing Alch as town early on, but that was mostly due to my attraction towards methodical/well-spoken players; he is looking worse recently so I'm happy to put my vote there for now.

VOTE: Alchemist21

Alright, I'm fully reading. Not much remarkable has happened honestly.

66 is a

horrible

OMGUS. Math has also been looking pretty desperate to smooth things over since his second post. 70 also brings up a good point.

P4: Q is looking townier by the minute. Far, describe Bella's scumplay and how she employed it in 84, please.

Alchemist is being ridiculously overdefensive. Nearly all his posts involve defending/chainsawing someone, and the fact that he's apparently been scumreading Far all this time makes me wonder why he never voted her, especially when they were arguing and he wasn't getting what he wanted. So Alch, why didn't you?

183 is complete shit, and I like 184 because Dolittle doesn't appear to feel remotely obligated to defend himself.

YGS/Math/Alch are forming a rather obvious triangle, and while I'm hesitant to believe the game is so easily solved, that's where I'm most confident in pushing right now.

I would take ysg out of that ric.
Dino/alch/guille is what I have in my head. The first 2 I'm most sure about, the third is more gut

Eh, I think it could go either way at this point. Whatever the case, if one or both of the former two end up flipping scum then it should be a simple matter of PoE.

I really don't get the ygs scum read. Being out of sync isn't scummy

YGS defends Alch and Math > Alch defends YGS and Math > Math townreads YGS and says nothing about Alch. It's a simple triangle. That's the root of my scumread on them, anyway.

Mala, if you hate your role and aren't engaging because of it, why don't you just replace out...?

That's pretty much the same thing.

Admittedly, I forgot about Bella's vote on Alch. Still, it's not like scum can't bus. But we really need an Alch flip before taking this further.

Ric explain your vote there.

For serious? The relation between YGS and Alch was

blatant

scum interaction. Bella's vote on Alch was an obvious stunt with how it was almost immediately revoked and never brought up again. Other than that, everything points to them being scum with Alch.

[farside22]

That doesn't explain anything. You really are just reaching for nothing at this point.

I am not quite sure who you are trying to convince here.

I have a pretty funny pic of flailing person.
I just imagine it and think of ric.

[farside22]

Okay… was kind of hoping to see what DrDolittle did first but this thread is dead. So here are my thoughts.

Piratecat is town. It just makes sense and I'm not going to get paranoid about this in LyLo. And tbh if she were scum I think she'd probably have left Aero alive to support her claim.

That leaves Ricastle and either farside (bussing) or DrDolittle (defended Ricastle throughout game, still kind of defending him)

I went through D1 again this morning and maybe against my better judgment I still lean toward a Ricastle/farside team, with DrD's weird posts just being town paranoia.

The far/Alch debacle early d1 is more believable as an awkward attempt by Alch to distance from her. Alch's case on DrD was terrible and looks more like scum making stuff up.

I'm not scum but please just hammer ric he is scum.
I said my peace about this already

[farside22]

VOTE: Ricastle

#yolo

Not scum.

<3 u Mollie.
Sorry I got you freeked out about me this game. I'm trying to blend my town game into my scum game and I'm still working on a happy medium

[farside22]

Hell no I would not do those night kills

[farside22]

Hell no I would not do those night kills

they have been pretty funny lol.

the biggest thing is that I that I just don't see you trying to get a newb force replaced as scum, it is skeevy play that uses an outside element to try to exert control over the game, plus, you never know what replacement you are going to wind up with. scum like to be in control and that wld be opening yourself up to something very much that is beyond your control. good lord, can you imagine if it was a player that I was super duper familiar with? I mean sure you cld nk them I mean scum kept nking any1 who demonstrated a willingness to work with us but you closing your options and giving up a measure of control if you did that. that just doesn't seem like you.

I keep going back to doolittle's questioning me on my ricastle read after I gave it repeatedly. it seemed like a scummate trying to fish what my thoughts were on a partner.

anyways I really hope that I am not wrong about you.

Every player has town read me is dead.
That is dumb to do and one thing is for sure, I'm not dumb.

The replacement I'd do as either alignment tbh.

I noticed dr.d nka was missing a lot of info when he did it, plus like I said before during day 1 alch was pushing him hard and dr.d barely responded and was quick to change his vote for very little reason.

[farside22]

Boo.

I'm waiting to see what dolittle and azrel have to say here.

[farside22]

funny i was just about to say the same thing

I have said plenty during the game.
I gave my thoughts on scum and why. So I'm looking for you to do the same.
Or explain why you defended Ric so hard.

[farside22]

Okay… was kind of hoping to see what DrDolittle did first but this thread is dead. So here are my thoughts.

Piratecat is town. It just makes sense and I'm not going to get paranoid about this in LyLo. And tbh if she were scum I think she'd probably have left Aero alive to support her claim.

That leaves Ricastle and either farside (bussing) or DrDolittle (defended Ricastle throughout game, still kind of defending him)

I went through D1 again this morning and maybe against my better judgment I still lean toward a Ricastle/farside team, with DrD's weird posts just being town paranoia.

The far/Alch debacle early d1 is more believable as an awkward attempt by Alch to distance from her. Alch's case on DrD was terrible and looks more like scum making stuff up.

Azrel pretty much said the same thing about you.
So again who is scum and why Dr. D?

[farside22]

*waits to see Dr. D vote for no reason*

[farside22]

at this point i don't know whos scum .

i defended ric so hard because i thought he was town. plain and simple. this comes from two main factors:
1. His defense of me seemed town. i know im town, and the fact that he wouldnt hop on my wagon despite an easy mislynch on day 3 indicates that he is town.
2. His push on Alch day 1 seemed real - he was on the wagon the whole time.

scum know who each other are. It's easy to buss and sit there and look pretty the whole time.
Which I said earlier in the game.

im thinking about something.

bare with me for a bit

[farside22]

Just one more question for you Dr.D: Why did you stop fighting with Alchemist day one and move your vote to someone else?

[farside22]

I'm starting to wonder if I'm crazy.
I can almost hear the dead thread screaming at me, don't fuck it up farside.
There is a voice in my head that sometimes tells me to stop and think and reevaluate before jumping in and that is what I'm currently doing.

I see a few negatives when I look at Doc.D he attacks Alch and then backs off. His NKA is missing large gaps about those who were being town read and then ric.

But then I just look back and Azrel and I realized he never explained a few of his scum reads and seemed to lay low when it came to the serious discussion. Plus my mind thinks this would be easy to put 2 players fighting with each other and swoop in and vote for the win without batting an eye.

So all and all I'm going to do more research.

[farside22]

*Talks to self*

I wish you were here to talk to Mollie.


I think azrel is an alt, I just noticed he doesn't have any other games noted around ms.

[farside22]

I'm just going to wait on azrel.
Right now I don't see you weighing anything out and this convo has given me nothing on you and your mind set.

[farside22]

So this farside scum game just ended.

How does that even compare to this?

[farside22]

I'm starting to wonder if I'm crazy.
I can almost hear the dead thread screaming at me, don't fuck it up farside.
There is a voice in my head that sometimes tells me to stop and think and reevaluate before jumping in and that is what I'm currently doing.

I see a few negatives when I look at Doc.D he attacks Alch and then backs off. His NKA is missing large gaps about those who were being town read and then ric.

But then I just look back and Azrel and I realized he never explained a few of his scum reads and seemed to lay low when it came to the serious discussion. Plus my mind thinks this would be easy to put 2 players fighting with each other and swoop in and vote for the win without batting an eye.

So all and all I'm going to do more research.

eh.

It's not escaping my notice that you're putting in a lot more effort than DrDolittle right now in lylo and that is making me second-guess myself. I'm not at all convinced that makes you town. It's mostly making it a harder decision. That said, it also feels a bit like you're playing both sides all of a sudden.

The point about whether you'd make the night kills is the most convincing you've made and I'm mulling it over.

What research are you doing?

I looked at your post history and you haven't posted in another game here.
If I'm wrong let me know.

[farside22]

Sorry I missed a part of your post.
I'm weighing both you and dolittle because I don't want to vote wrong.
I look at both players because a wrong vote will mean scum wins.
That is just me thinking aloud.

[farside22]

My brain is checked out currently.
I should have my thought on this complete by tomorrow

[farside22]

I've decided to get to this tonight

I'm not getting a lot with the chatter from either person.
I go over and over many thoughts on both players and what sways me the most is two big things.
1) how little azrel said during ric/me day 3. He called us both scum but never voted and for some unexplained reason had a scum read that he never explained
2) he has pushed pretty weakly during lylo today. He links my most recent game with no reason and then questions dr.d he looks to be trying hard to stir the pot in my view.

Vote: azral

Let's see if I evaluated this correctly.

[farside22]

You aren't trolling me?

[farside22]

Okay… was kind of hoping to see what DrDolittle did first but this thread is dead. So here are my thoughts.

Piratecat is town. It just makes sense and I'm not going to get paranoid about this in LyLo. And tbh if she were scum I think she'd probably have left Aero alive to support her claim.

That leaves Ricastle and either farside (bussing) or DrDolittle (defended Ricastle throughout game, still kind of defending him)

I went through D1 again this morning and maybe against my better judgment I still lean toward a Ricastle/farside team, with DrD's weird posts just being town paranoia.

The far/Alch debacle early d1 is more believable as an awkward attempt by Alch to distance from her. Alch's case on DrD was terrible and looks more like scum making stuff up.

This was you point with no reason day 3.
The only thing I was wrong about was you did eventually vote ric as a hammer.

This post was made with no explanation

I'm open to voting farside.

I keep going back to Dolittle's interactions with Alch and thinking they look town.

Pushing ric as town here:

I'm open to voting farside.

I keep going back to Dolittle's interactions with Alch and thinking they look town.

That took an embarassingly long time to happen.

+ town points for Ricastle for being on zakk so hard
- town points for farside for the back-and-forth on the zakk

I'm open to voting farside.

I keep going back to Dolittle's interactions with Alch and thinking they look town.

That took an embarassingly long time to happen.

+ town points for Ricastle for being on zakk so hard
- town points for farside for the back-and-forth on the slot

Ricastle is scum, it is known.
But I'm wondering what you're arguing. What was the tell?

if you think he is scum and that it is known, why are you not hammering him?

I'm not ready to yet. I try to solve games in LyLo.

was kind of hoping to see what DrDolittle did first but this thread is dead. So here are my thoughts.

Piratecat is town. It just makes sense and I'm not going to get paranoid about this in LyLo. And tbh if she were scum I think she'd probably have left Aero alive to support her claim.

That leaves Ricastle and either farside (bussing) or DrDolittle (defended Ricastle throughout game, still kind of defending him)

I went through D1 again this morning and maybe against my better judgment I still lean toward a Ricastle/farside team, with DrD's weird posts just being town paranoia.

The far/Alch debacle early d1 is more believable as an awkward attempt by Alch to distance from her. Alch's case on DrD was terrible and looks more like scum making stuff up.

Says he is trying to solve the game but looks to dr.d to say more.


Let's talk about the link that azrel provided.
All he did was this:

So this farside scum game just ended.

This is not meta research it says nothing other then he decided to show a scum game but doesn't reference a town game. Basically just to show a negative for no reason provided.

Fixed.

[farside22]

Sorry for the mess I'm phone posting and graving quotes and it went pretty ugly there.
Let me know if I need to redo that dr.d.

[farside22]

Also that post I made is an example of why I grab quotes and put thoughts before the quotes.
Just a double yuck.


Also I'm just making a case and getting why azrel is scum.
Azrel pretty much didn't do that.

[farside22]

That's quite a case you've got there.

This was you point with no reason day 3.
The only thing I was wrong about was you did eventually vote ric as a hammer.

False. That post lays out my reasoning for thinking it was you and Ricastle.

This post was made with no explanation

False. Your reaction to Dolittle's 'cop' post moved you into my suspect pile, and I explained this.

Pushing ric as town here:

I'm open to voting farside.

I keep going back to Dolittle's interactions with Alch and thinking they look town.

That post literally doesn't mention Ricastle at all.

That took an embarassingly long time to happen.

+ town points for Ricastle for being on zakk so hard
- town points for farside for the back-and-forth on the zakk

The post where I believed Persival's scum claim and started moving forward with finding his partners.
The one where I had zero idea Persival was going to flip town.

You're trying to use that post against me?

If Persival had flipped scum, it would definitely have made Ric look good. But he didn't.

Says he is trying to solve the game but looks to dr.d to say more.

Yes. Correct. That's how games are solved, by talking to people.

I'm pretty sure you said that yourself, like yesterday.

This is not meta research it says nothing other then he decided to show a scum game but doesn't reference a town game. Basically just to show a negative for no reason provided.

That really bothered you.

I talk about it above. And I would have done an analysis anyway if you hadn't suddenly voted me barely a day later.

Anything else?

1) that isn't an explanation of why I'm scum, the post is just about not seeing dolittle scum. It's vague. There is no quotes or explanation why my interaction with alch is scum with his interaction with me vs dolittle's interaction with alchr
2) what cop post from dolittle are you even talking about?
3) why is being hard on scum townie? While weighing options on a player scummy?
4) I think you were hoping dolittle would vote me for a scum win that was why your either or comment in regards to me and ric look scmy as fuck
5) what's your case against me?

[farside22]

Dolittle: farside's Alch interactions are really bad, from the early distancing to the way she jumped off onto zakk despite saying she thought alch was scum.

I'll write up a full case in the morning (there's a lot to work with) but for now just look at these last few posts and tell me with a straight face she's not scum.

Yeah I explained my switch was.
Did you forget or just felt like mud slinging?

[farside22]

The biggest thing is how little interaction there was between ric-alch-azral
That in the end is what caught my attention the most. Just comments were made but no questions or pushes were ever made against one another until the scum's back was against the wall

[farside22]

^ nope
I interacted with Ricastle as much as I interacted with Riabi and Tiershift.
I interacted more with Alch than either of them.

You have a meta of bussing your partners D1 (for example, the game I linked). Your interactions with Alch and Ric are nothing you're more likely to have done as town, and given how utterly trivial your argument with Alch was and the time it took you to suggest Alch might be scum...

Yeah the game you linked I voted my scum buddy that game and never unvoted day 2.
Huge difference from here.

Let's use an ISO
Here is the simple thing that is easy to verify with azral iso

There is 2 post direct to alch the rest of his comments are about alch and go back and forth without explain with any reason he felt the way he claimed.

[farside22]

2) what cop post from dolittle are you even talking about?

The one where Dolittle joked that he had determined you were scum and you assumed he was claiming a guilty on you. Personally, I figured his point was that you were the last person left in his NKA suspect pile, or something of that nature. If you knew you were town, I'd expect that to be your first reaction, or at least to get clarification before calling it bullshit. Because you know for a fact that no one can have a guilty on you, so what's more likely? Your reaction said "I have a guilty conscience because I know I'm scum."

Your response to his NKA analysis, saying he was scum because it had "holes" and you "checked his meta and his NKA didn't usually have holes" was also bad.

3) why is being hard on scum townie? While weighing options on a player scummy?

Even if my reasoning were wrong on this, how is that more interesting than me not knowing Persival was town?

4) I think you were hoping dolittle would vote me for a scum win that was why your either or comment in regards to me and ric look scmy as fuck

1838, still stupid.

I think you interpreted 1829 as Dolittle thinking of voting me and went for the opportunity.

Persivul thought the same thing about dr.d so that means nothing in any respect.
Second the nka was bad, Mollie said the same thing and so did tier. Again you point means nothing.
Nice question dodge. I'll wait to respond to any question till you respond to my question
Finally you still have not put together a scum case.
I mean seriously the points you have is that I was oppinionated about dr.d (not a scumtell) andone game link where I'm scum (didn't bring up my town games and now pushing how I busted my scum buddy in that game but that is not even close to meta research that is throwing shade to show only one alignment purpose)

Neither of these are reasons to consider me scum.

[farside22]

Votecount 1.FINAL

Alchemist21 [LYNCH] - Ricastle, TierShift, Kthxbye, DrDolittle, zakk, Piratecat, farside22

You Got Schooled [L-5] - numberQ, Riabi
numberQ [L-5] - Flames682, You Got Schooled
zakk [L-6] - Azral
DrDolittle [L-6] - Alchemist21

Not Voting [0] -

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day

will end in (expired on 2015-07-03 22:00:00)

is over.

Alchemist was lynched Day 1! He was a

Mafia Goon

!

Kthxbye was killed Night 1! He was a

Vanilla Townie

!

CLUE:

Three men remain.

if y'all have time help me figure out what is going on with this clue, as well as the puppet thing. Like trust not the numbered was pretty significant.

I never took the clues seriously because scum were writing them.
Like obviously we know right now there are not 4 scum or the game would be over.

[farside22]

as scum or town, far, do you often trade vote agreements with people to pull a "i told you so" the next day?

I try not to but when I get frustrated I sometimes tell people things like I can't wait to see how wrong you are or other bitchy comments.
I know I do it more as town but I can't say I don't do it as scum.

[farside22]

CLUE:

Azral is the lynch for day 3. His soft pushing You Got Schooled when the Alchemist21 wagon was the biggest and immediately voting the zakk wagon as it pops up at the end of day 1 are the reasons for that. Also, there is him looking back at the earlier interactions mathdino made with Alchemist21. Town would not do that.

The clue to keep in mind is the town rep if you want a clue to trust

[farside22]

Ric stayed on alch wagon all of day 1 and when the town rep says vote for azral scum are going to do what a townie says to create no waves.

[farside22]

I'll go over the clues if you really want my oppinion on them.
I have the only ones that stick out that weren't cheesy.

Your mod is going V/LA and will post a VC here someday.

Votecount 1.3

Mathdino [L-3] - DrDolittle, guille2015, TierShift, numberQ

Malakittens [L-5] - d3x, You Got Schooled
numberQ [L-5] - Flames682, Mathdino
DrDolittle [L-6] - Malakittens
TierShift [L-6] - Riabi
farside22 [L-6] - Alchemist21
guille2015 [L-6] - farside22

Not Voting [1] - jon_h61

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-06-29 22:00:00).

EDIT: A CLUE:

Trust not the numbered.

I thought this clue was talking about numberq.
He was pushing dino at the time and alch was trying to have numberq look at me instead.

CLUE:

You're all such fantastic puppets!

This was said when the alch wagon was growing and reads to try and make the town think we are wrong.

Votecount 1.7

Alchemist21 [L-3] - farside22, Ricastle, DrDolittle, TierShift

You Got Schooled [L-5] - numberQ, Riabi
numberQ [L-5] - Flames682, Mathdino
DrDolittle [L-5] - Malakittens, Alchemist21
Riabi [L-6] - You Got Schooled

Not Voting [2] - zakk, guille2015

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-06-29 22:00:00).

CLUE:

You didn't see that coming did you?

CLUE:

Azral is the lynch for day 3. His soft pushing You Got Schooled when the Alchemist21 wagon was the biggest and immediately voting the zakk wagon as it pops up at the end of day 1 are the reasons for that. Also, there is him looking back at the earlier interactions mathdino made with Alchemist21. Town would not do that.

The clue from scum here I think was referring to the NS kill.

CLUE:

You're all such fantastic puppets!

Votecount 6.0

Not Voting [3] - DrDolittle, farside22, Azral

With 3 alive, it takes

2

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-08-16 10:00:00).

Same quote but I remember dr.d thought I was scum and I thought dr.d was scum and we would be the puppets in this case.

[farside22]

I've decided to get to this tonight

I'm not getting a lot with the chatter from either person.
I go over and over many thoughts on both players and what sways me the most is two big things.
1) how little azrel said during ric/me day 3. He called us both scum but never voted and for some unexplained reason had a scum read that he never explained
2) he has pushed pretty weakly during lylo today. He links my most recent game with no reason and then questions dr.d he looks to be trying hard to stir the pot in my view.

Vote: azral

Let's see if I evaluated this correctly.

[farside22]

Just to add to my point as I said he states here he was hoping to see what dr.d was going to do.

Okay… was kind of hoping to see what DrDolittle did first but this thread is dead. So here are my thoughts.

Piratecat is town. It just makes sense and I'm not going to get paranoid about this in LyLo. And tbh if she were scum I think she'd probably have left Aero alive to support her claim.

That leaves Ricastle and either farside (bussing) or DrDolittle (defended Ricastle throughout game, still kind of defending him)

I went through D1 again this morning and maybe against my better judgment I still lean toward a Ricastle/farside team, with DrD's weird posts just being town paranoia.

The far/Alch debacle early d1 is more believable as an awkward attempt by Alch to distance from her. Alch's case on DrD was terrible and looks more like scum making stuff up.

Just as I said I got the impression in hindsight that he was hoping de.d was going to vote me so he could hammer me for a scum win.

[farside22]

Her reaction to your cop claim post and subsequent tunnel on you for your NKA, which she dropped when she realized she needed your support.

wow
And I was actually starting to think I should vote Dolittle. Thank you farside.

Cool story bro

[farside22]

Let's not forget 14 hours left here dr.d
Make a choice.

[farside22]

Yea!!!!!

I really though no matter what I sad dr.d was going to vote me.
I am usually not this calm in lylo and I have had many frustrating moments when I get there.
It has been a long time since I made it to lylo as town.
Azrel did what he thought was right and I knew no matter what Mollie was going to be dead.
Thankfully I took a step back and really thought about the game as a hole.
Gg town.
Sorry I wasn't up to my best in the beginning.
Gg scum. You worked hard.