Mini 1714: Justified Season 2 Mafia (Endgame)

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:33 am

I've got a full glass of bourbon and am ready to start this game

vote LLD

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #25 (isolation #1) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:14 am

vote notvarsoon

lolezmode

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #26 (isolation #2) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:17 am

In post 19, Scorpious wrote:
In post 16, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 15, Scorpious wrote:VOTE: UntrodTripod

For getting to drink while I'm at work..

I understand your answer is going to be something along the lines of "it's an RVS vote" but I won't accept that answer here.

Why did you place this vote as opposed to looking at one of the wagons that is already forming. By the time of your vote, I have two votes on me, as does Varsoon, and there are more things to talk about that UT's opening post. Why did you choose to ignore them?

Oh god,you're one of them..

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #33 (isolation #3) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:26 am

In post 28, I_Am_Not_Varsoon wrote:Goddamnit, Tripod.

I fucking hate RVS. I can't help but see it as a tool for scum in a lot of ways. It lets scum get on a bandwagon first without making them generate actually content to analyze.

sometimes

most of the time RVS is like that beautiful moment at the beginning of a race where everyone jumps off the blocks. you can catch scum hesitating, looking around to see if they can go because everyone else started and trying to catch headwind. catching scum in RVS is a tricky business, but if you know what to look for you can do it. sometimes they try to glom onto bandwagons (as you've alluded to) but that's harder to spot. most of the time you can nail someone for hedging their bets and acting self-consciously.

other times, they just sort of puke on their shoes and fall over. like you, for instance.

get wrecked, scumfuck

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #34 (isolation #4) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:26 am

that being said sometimes town can do the same thing

I don't think that's the case here

but it does happen

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #45 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:54 am

In post 39, I_Am_Not_Varsoon wrote:Untrod is too certain. Lambda is too certain.

we've played mafia before

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #55 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:39 am

is that a naked policy vote?

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #63 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:52 am

she's right, dude

you've got to have a thick skin in mafia

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #100 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:37 pm

In post 95, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 92, Konowa wrote:i think dwlee is town also.

This post bugs me. Scum can give town reads flawlessly, scum can't give scum reads. Therefore I think it's more valuable to give scum reads, imo.

bussing is a thing

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #102 (isolation #9) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:44 pm

In post 99, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 98, Vinkah wrote:
In post 95, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 92, Konowa wrote:i think dwlee is town also.

This post bugs me. Scum can give town reads flawlessly, scum can't give scum reads. Therefore I think it's more valuable to give scum reads, imo.

i'll explain if you really want me to, but this is not true at all.

Please do. I understand that it's valuable to have town reads for PoE but I feel like scum reads accomplish more at the moment.
UNVOTE: Yasoon
Not sure if vinkhah unvoted yasoon and don't feel like checking as I'm working on spanish. Preventing a derp hammer from happening.

so actually town is way more interested in sorting players into town and scum lists than scum is

scum doesn't have any trouble sorting this sort of thing out because they already know who the scum are. they can claim town reads for the purpose of forging alliances, planting false associations, or any other number of reasons, but it really doesn't factor into their solving-the-game process

I'm not saying that blindly throwing out "oh this player is town" with no reason is a super towny thing to do, but I really don't see why it should bug you at this stage of the game. dude is probably just hamhandedly trying to put people into camps so the game is easier for him to solve

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #103 (isolation #10) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:45 pm

as a sidenote, I'm picking up some serious hedging vibes from dwl in that last couple posts

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #105 (isolation #11) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:48 pm

what's your read on Vinkah/Konowa

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #111 (isolation #12) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:01 pm

In post 108, Dwlee99 wrote:Konowa I already made clear

where?

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #112 (isolation #13) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:02 pm

In post 107, Shinobi wrote:UT is posting quite differently from what I remember. Probably need to do some research.

meta is trash

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #115 (isolation #14) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:09 pm

In post 113, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 111, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 108, Dwlee99 wrote:Konowa I already made clear

where?

My post about their town read on me. I wanted to have them post more with some scum reads rather than only town reads as well as more content = more reads.

This?

In post 95, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 92, Konowa wrote:i think dwlee is town also.

This post bugs me. Scum can give town reads flawlessly, scum can't give scum reads. Therefore I think it's more valuable to give scum reads, imo.

Or this?

In post 99, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 98, Vinkah wrote:
In post 95, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 92, Konowa wrote:i think dwlee is town also.

This post bugs me. Scum can give town reads flawlessly, scum can't give scum reads. Therefore I think it's more valuable to give scum reads, imo.

i'll explain if you really want me to, but this is not true at all.

Please do. I understand that it's valuable to have town reads for PoE but I feel like scum reads accomplish more at the moment.
UNVOTE: Yasoon
Not sure if vinkhah unvoted yasoon and don't feel like checking as I'm working on spanish. Preventing a derp hammer from happening.

because neither is a read

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #116 (isolation #15) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:13 pm

In post 114, Shinobi wrote:
In post 112, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 107, Shinobi wrote:UT is posting quite differently from what I remember. Probably need to do some research.

meta is trash

You and I both know this isn't true.

you know that

I do not know that.

what I DO know that every single fucking game I've played in since 2011 has had some well-meaning player with time on their hands read a bunch of past games and make a series of disasterously incorrect reads based on meta nonsense.

that's a fact jack

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #119 (isolation #16) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:16 pm

jesus christ lord and savior it's only page 5 and I'm reaching for the whiskey

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #121 (isolation #17) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:17 pm

DO YOU THINK VINKAH IS SCUM YES OR NO

PEDIT

NO IT'S NOT RVS ANYMORE MOTHERFUCKER GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #123 (isolation #18) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:19 pm

YOU TAKE A NUMBER AND WAIT IN LINE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #126 (isolation #19) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:24 pm

WELL SENPAI HAS NOTICED YOU

WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO NOW

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #128 (isolation #20) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:26 pm

you just get in a groove

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #155 (isolation #21) » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:05 am

In post 136, Scorpious wrote:UTslight town read.Obviously knows what they are doing

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #156 (isolation #22) » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:07 am

In post 136, Scorpious wrote:UT-I noticed meta on this site is relied on heavily. Do you ever use meta for reads? I realize you called it trash.

to a very slight degree. I don't mind it being used as a supporting argument in a well-supported case.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #173 (isolation #23) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:12 am

In post 172, I_Am_Not_Varsoon wrote:At the risk of untrod thinking I am scummier than he already does (which I think is bullshit)

why do you care how I'm reading you if I'm your #2 scumread?

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #174 (isolation #24) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:13 am

In post 161, chamber wrote:I'm never going to explicitly explain everything (or even most things) that I do. Chalk it up to playstyle differences, I'm sure people in this game can confirm for me.

this is normal for chamber, but it doesn't mean anything

there is the fact that he's pointing at a player who started the game incredibly awkward and self-conscious (in a scummy kind of way) and and saying "this isn't scum and I'm scumreading people on the wagon because ~reasons~"

but whatever

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #175 (isolation #25) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:19 am

oh, wait, was answering scorpious I guess?

although if he's scumreading me overall then my question still stands

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #183 (isolation #26) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:21 am

In post 181, I_Am_Not_Varsoon wrote:Also, you are the only person really calling into question the use of meta in this game, right? I would agree that it is really circumstantial (people may change their play based on mood or to adopt a new strategy), but it is a little suspicious that you are shitting on meta analysis in a game where you are playing against your meta.

the one thing that's consistent in my mafia games is that I shit on meta the first time it comes up

lolmeta

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #184 (isolation #27) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:22 am

In post 181, I_Am_Not_Varsoon wrote:You are my number 2 scum read out of the three scorpious gave me. I am not sure about overall. I am not even sure if LLD is my number 1 anymore. I need to cruise some ISOs. At this moment, I am maybe more worried about the lurkier players.

I already addressed this in the first post on this page

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #200 (isolation #28) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:54 pm

In post 197, popsofctown wrote:Chamber's looking like an increasingly good lynch.

why?

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #228 (isolation #29) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:30 am

In post 227, Shinobi wrote:
In post 226, Yimmy wrote:it's really fun when people say they'll lynch me with little or no reasoning

Then do something towny.

pack it up folks, this is the best post of 2015

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #257 (isolation #30) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:37 pm

In post 253, Vinkah wrote:phantom wagon just feels like one of those usual D1 pile on wagons for shit reasons.

probably because it is

at least it's on one of the few players who isn't producing content though? so... small miracles?

I still prefer !Varsoon, possibly Shin

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #341 (isolation #31) » Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:25 am

eh screw it

unvote vote PhantomCobalt

this game is going nowhere slowly

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #343 (isolation #32) » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:59 am

you're voting for pops, I don't want to hear your shit

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #345 (isolation #33) » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:22 am

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #353 (isolation #34) » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:04 am

In post 348, PhantomCobalt wrote:
In post 346, I_Am_Not_Varsoon wrote:Not going to be able to post much this Labor Day weekend. Visiting the family, Internet is out, and I don't want to read and type on my phone much (this post is actually on my tablet at a friend's place).

A quick note on Phantom, though: I do think catboi has a point about the strength of the Phantom lynch. Still, fuck Phantom. He is completely refusing to post real content. I recognize that there is a real chance that he is just a lazy shit, but I also think there is a good chance he is scum trying to buy himself another day or two by acting a fool and/or generally not giving himself a chance to slip up in outing a read list or w/e. I can wait to lynch him in a day or two to see if he shapes up, but I dont know if I will jump on a pops wagon just yet. I'll read shit more carefully Tuesday or Wednesday.

Please respect all users, this is just a game.

psst this would have been a good place to actually post something about the game

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #354 (isolation #35) » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:05 am

In post 350, Dwlee99 wrote:Just random aggression for the pops wagon.

oh it's never random with me, buddy

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #367 (isolation #36) » Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:46 pm

unvote vote !Varsoon

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #369 (isolation #37) » Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:03 pm

yeah, his entrance to the game never stopped being incredibly painfully awkward and word-vomity, and self-aware. he looks like nervous scum to me.

I moved back to where my vote already after PC replaced out.

your vote is shit.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #380 (isolation #38) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:38 am

yo gurl

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #386 (isolation #39) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:25 am

what if it's raylan though omg mind blown

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #387 (isolation #40) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:26 am

seriously though quil, read !Varsoon's opening posts and tell me to my face he's not scum

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #467 (isolation #41) » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:49 am

hey I got prodded

OH LOOK everything is still the same

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #484 (isolation #42) » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:29 am

getting really tired of this "oh no! not naked votes!" thing

you have to read his posts in the context of the rest of the things he's said in the game. the votes are not complete mysteries. it really looks like people are more interested in trying to flip chamber into a lynchable target then figuring out his reasoning.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #492 (isolation #43) » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:07 pm

he's a mystery

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #506 (isolation #44) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:31 am

In post 505, I_Am_Not_Varsoon wrote:and he is in two other games and he is not exactly lighting threads on fire anywhere

don't talk about ongoing games.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #508 (isolation #45) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:40 am

you won't get in trouble for that, especially as a first offense, I just want to make sure you know that the ongoing games rule is taken super duper seriously and that's fairly borderline

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #527 (isolation #46) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:22 pm

In post 524, Quilford wrote:I'm not really enthused by the !Varsoon wagon at all and am somewhat suspicious of its proponents (I don't like UT voting him for his entrance 15 pages in. I think if !Varsoon was scum, UT would have more recent examples of things he thinks are scummy)

my read on him is literally just based on how he entered the game. you just played on my team in Team Mafia, where I correctly found scum in mine and the games of literally every other player on my team for their first couple of posts. I'm unclear on why this is suddenly a strange and alien strategy for you, especially considering that I've been super fucking clear this game about that being how I formed my early reads

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #531 (isolation #47) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:35 pm

I remember catching like, Titus, GreyICE, and someone else

but maybe I'm blocking out a lot of that whole experience

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #536 (isolation #48) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:50 pm

my recollection of my game at least was spending the first part of my game thinking titus was scum then talking myself out of it

upon reflection I'm remembering the timeline wrong with GI because he replaced into that game so it wasn't an RVS thing so nevermind that

anyway I DO tend to find at least one scum in RVS so I'm fairly confident in this read. moreso than if it was later in the game.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #563 (isolation #49) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:21 pm

good effort, xtoxm

it's not good analysis, but it's STRONG effort.

keep up the good work you'll get there someday

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #588 (isolation #50) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:34 am

In post 570, Quilford wrote:Also, UT does not have a leg to stand on re Xtoxm not posting good analysis

speaking of weird random attacks

do you mean this game, or in general?

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #592 (isolation #51) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:22 am

mmm no

I have more posts than most people in this game, I've been keeping up with what's going on. I just don't really feel a lot differently about my reads than I did 10ish pages ago.

hell, pops, as scum I would have jumped on you a while ago when people were saying "WELL WHAT ABOUT POPS"

"player x or player y" is a shitty way of scumhunting that more often than not leads to two mislynches (and scum coasting for a day or two pushing the other one after the first one is on town).

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #593 (isolation #52) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:26 am

I'm also really tired of playing in games where we nail scum early and then people waffle and waffle and waffle because early game scumhunting makes them nervous and then we eventually do a mad scramble for a lynch at the end of the day that's just on someone else who is ALWAYS FUCKING TOWN

I'm not really interested in moving to an also-ran when I'm pretty confident I've found a scum

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #595 (isolation #53) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:44 am

are you APPEASING me?

didn't your momma tell you never to negotiate with terrorists pops

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #596 (isolation #54) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:45 am

talk to me about this game pops

what do you think of Quil taking a stick and poking the she-bear?

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #597 (isolation #55) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:46 am

because I have a THEORY that he knows that getting in a 1v1 with LLD is a good way to get people to leave him the fuck alone

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #602 (isolation #56) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:15 am

In post 599, popsofctown wrote:I would say that 583 is lateral movement towards a town wincon at best. Not a way to get reactions that are very readable.

I have a really negative opinion of people that want to wagon LLD in general. She has done a lot to position herself in places that can be perceived as lynchworthy, which is easy to identify and math out if you're scum. But the cadence and tenor and whatever word it is I want of her actual posting has not been very scummy really. But that is something someone with a scum alignment who already knows whether she is scum would be unable to identify, they would only see the positioning.
I'm not gonna sit here and say that LLD has an Innocent Child slot, but I expect an honest town reader to at worst say at this point that they want to wait to see more of LLD's posts to decide on her.

right but my point is that Quil is a smart guy, and iirc he likes meta to some extent

and he should know from experience that 1v1ing with a player like LLD is an excellent way to get people to ignore you.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #605 (isolation #57) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:25 am

I have a gig that I have to leave for right now, but I can at least try to lay out my thoughts on it when I get back tonight

in the meantime, how do YOU feel about Quil or Scorps even

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #611 (isolation #58) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:25 am

how is what I said wifom. explain.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #612 (isolation #59) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:26 am

In post 608, Xtoxm wrote:Anyone slinging shit at Quil needs to justify why he would have been force replaced as scum.

are you just accusing our mod of fucking up severely, or do you just not realize what you're saying?

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #615 (isolation #60) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:59 pm

oh I see

In post 610, Yimmy wrote:So this is WIFOM and a bit of... Idiocy? Because there's a large difference between post count and content.

because the way this is formatted it was like you were talking about the post count thing

it's pretty ironic though that you're calling me dumb while simultaneously failing to format your thoughts in a way that communicates the message you want to send

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #617 (isolation #61) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:31 pm

okay so we were talking about !Varsoon

I have been straightforward from the beginning that my read on him is almost entirely based on his first few posts. I have found that newbies are pretty spooked by RVS and so they end up making weird overexplain-y RVS votes and then assume everyone else had some big reason for their votes and try to talk about it. his followup post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7190624 reeks of "ha ha! look how casual I am being here. I am in a jokey mood because I am not scum and there is nothing to see here". and then later he says "everyone is too certain" as if that's supposed to be some kind of argument. that's NOT a town mentality. that's scum being upset that they've been caught and they don't understand why.

like. you can disagree with me about the content of that read, but I've been ~really~ straightforward about this. and the reason (as some have pointed out as if it's a fucking scumtell) that I'm grabbing onto this and shaking it til it's dead is because I'M PRETTY FUCKING CONFIDENT WE CAUGHT SCUM HERE AND I'M KIND OF PISSED THAT EVERYONE IS JUST SORT OF LETTING HIS HORRENDOUS BULLSHIT SLIDE.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #618 (isolation #62) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:33 pm

that being said, Quil is starting to look pretty juicy and his predecessor's behavior gives me bad feelings about that slot

I could potentially be convinced to go for xtom I guess if someone can explain that read to me.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #621 (isolation #63) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:48 pm

In post 619, popsofctown wrote:Why are you ok with killing Xtoxm if you are so dead sure on !varsoon?

because

I'm allowed to have other reads, you know

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #622 (isolation #64) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:50 pm

In post 619, popsofctown wrote:Why are you ok with killing Xtoxm if you are so dead sure on !varsoon?

additionally, I'm still voting for !varsoon

I'm just saying that I could vote with an xtom wagon if it became an absolute necessity to prevent a no-lynch

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #646 (isolation #65) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:40 pm

In post 644, Quilford wrote:chamber, please explain yourself.

loldongs

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #649 (isolation #66) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:44 pm

In post 645, Quilford wrote:That is not what exemption means. Serious question: are you a native English speaker? Or still in secondary school?

you probably missed this in your readthrough, but he's a freshman in high school

there was a whole funny bit where someone said something awkward about it

good times

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #652 (isolation #67) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:47 pm

I went to high school with this kid who would do this thing where he would just say "why" to everything you said

this experience we're all collectively having with you is really reminding me of that time in my life

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #655 (isolation #68) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:50 pm

so I'm just gonna call you Greg for a little while:

anyway, Greg, you're going to have to except that sometimes there AREN'T deeper reasons than what has been said. you can keep asking for more and more info, but there's just not really a whole lot else going on.

take my read on !Varsoon, I am basing it on the way that he tried to defuse the situation by feigning surprise and then humor and then indignance. I can't exactly put my finger on it or write you an airtight syllogism about why I think that makes him scum, I just do when I read his posts. I agree with you that sometimes town will get irritated, but I think it looks different. this looks more like he's irritated that he's been caught than irritated that someone is misreading him.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #665 (isolation #69) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:13 pm

In post 657, Quilford wrote:but it also sounds like that kid had some good ideas about epistemology

actually it was just that he was really socially awkward and we laughed at it once and he just sort of kept doing it so it would became his thing

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #666 (isolation #70) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:14 pm

In post 657, Quilford wrote:LLD doubtless had reasons for why she called out !Varsoon on his 'tone and intent'. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what they are. I really, really find it odd that people keep trying to prevent her from having to answer what seem to be very simple questions.

I was just talking about me, actually. LLD can field that herself.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #698 (isolation #71) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:20 am

In post 696, chamber wrote:Dick time

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #724 (isolation #72) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:49 pm

the fact that pops just quoted me makes me want to leave him alive

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #743 (isolation #73) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:14 pm

ftr he already heard me give basically the same arguments, said "yeah okay good jorb I think you're town" and is plowing right ahead with trying to derail the wagon against you

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #746 (isolation #74) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:17 pm

In post 744, Quilford wrote:And you cannot fake reasoning as scum. The whole premise of mafia means that scum are much, much worse at giving reasoning for their reads, because they already know whether or not they're correct.

Intent is a narrative you read into someone else's posting and it's not something you can support with evidence.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

mafia can't fake reasoning? mafia can't reverse engineer reads? is that a fucking joke?

jesus christ, !Varsoon must have a really powerful role for you to be this blatant

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #799 (isolation #75) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:15 pm

In post 771, chamber wrote:Anyway, all of this is a big distraction. Pops is scum. I don't know how he got you all to unlynch him with one quote on UT.

town by association

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #868 (isolation #76) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:30 pm

In post 865, Shinobi wrote:
In post 864, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:and Shinobi, honestly, if you are complaining about how you don't understand my reads on people, and then totally happy with Quilford's pressure on me basically coming from "I don't like your playstyle it doesn't explain itself enough" I am very confused.

Explaining yourself is the crux of mafia, though.

getting people to do what you want is the crux of mafia

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #911 (isolation #77) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:55 am

In post 909, Xtoxm wrote:And no chamber the kill wasn't weird, the mod obviously confirmed him as town by force replacing PC. What is a doppelganger though?

again, that doesn't confirm him as town. you're accusing the mod of fucking up.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #912 (isolation #78) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:55 am

but he's flipped so, whatever

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #926 (isolation #79) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:49 pm

yep, in a group of 3 out of 11 players left in the game, one might be scum

you're really onto something there dude

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #946 (isolation #80) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:24 am

In post 938, Xtoxm wrote:Lol. Whats the point of having flips if you won't tell us what they mean.

the Open forum might be more your speed

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #947 (isolation #81) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:28 am

In post 944, Xtoxm wrote:It could potentially matter, yes. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to understand how a role in the game works. At the very least, if it's an investigative skewing role, we can deduce that a relevant investigative exists.

it's funny that you should use the word "deduce", given that you rely very heavily this game on faulty premises

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #948 (isolation #82) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:34 am

so I still think !Varsoon is scum.

vote !Varsoon

kinda thinking the Quilford kill was meant to point us at LLD (given that they were yelling at each other so much) which makes me think inexperienced scumteam. I suppose it's possible, as others said, that maybe it was because he was widely townread, but I think it's more likely that it was framing. but as chamber said we only have the one kill, so probably not good to base too much on it.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1000 (isolation #83) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:54 am

I want to turn this into a drinking game where I drink every time someone says "I like your logic" or "that logic is good"

words have meanings, guys

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1003 (isolation #84) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:57 am

I'm an adult, so I can drink whatever

but soda would stand less of a chance of killing me

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1007 (isolation #85) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:00 am

fuck this

vote Yimmy

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1010 (isolation #86) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:21 am

what in the hell are you talking about?

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1011 (isolation #87) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:22 am

I'm confident he's just flailing at this point

Untrod Tripod · Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:31 am

In post 1026, I_Am_Not_Varsoon wrote:I have "liked" catboi's logic and your logic in places

Untrod Tripod · Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:08 am

I figure I should give it a few goes before I actually start posting pictures of my rapidly-emptying drink

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1037 (isolation #90) » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:27 pm

meta is trash

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1055 (isolation #91) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:19 am

LLD is more like a woodchipper

Untrod Tripod · Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:02 am

In post 1056, Yimmy wrote:I'm a VT that only wins if I've been on at least one wagon that lynched town

I'm a VT that only wins if I've been on at least one wagon that lynched town

are you kidding?

that claim is so awful he might just be telling the truth

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1089 (isolation #93) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:26 pm

oh thank god someone smart is here

BBmolla, read !Varsoon's ISO plz

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1138 (isolation #94) » Wed Sep 23, 2015 5:42 pm

In post 1136, BBmolla wrote:ew what a fucking awful post

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1163 (isolation #95) » Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:52 am

In post 1161, Dwlee99 wrote:Current meta is bussing

...what?

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1164 (isolation #96) » Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:52 am

I really appreciate the effort, Molla, but I don't really think we're going to get four more votes on !Varsoon in the next 8 hours.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1166 (isolation #97) » Thu Sep 24, 2015 2:14 am

oh man

reading is tech

vote !Varsoon

let's do this Molla

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1268 (isolation #98) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:03 am

blech

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #1275 (isolation #99) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:31 am

In post 1270, Shiro wrote:phew caught up finally

Yimmy can you do me a favour and make your claim a bit clear instead of that weird thing.

For people that know the flavour would Winona be scum if alignment and flavour weren't independant ? Thing is Winona is mentioned in my pm by name which makes me think it is really possibly at the very least the character he claims is legit in game and not a fakeclaim that doesn't actually exist.

I wouldn't think she'd be scum, considering she's Raylan's love interest and has no connection to organized crime?

Untrod Tripod · Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:49 am

it's a really bad idea to try to break a game by flavor

also scum were proooooooooooobably given flavor fakeclaims so.... the fact that someone "makes sense" from a flavor perspective really shouldn't play into your reads

Untrod Tripod · Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:17 am

you weren't in any danger of getting lynched though?

Untrod Tripod · Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:54 pm

In post 1330, chamber wrote:
Vote varsoon

I have a guilty on him. I feel dumb.

oh this feels so good

Untrod Tripod · Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:55 pm

!Varsoon

Untrod Tripod · Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:55 pm

....

vote !Varsoon

Untrod Tripod · Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:10 pm

back in my day cop guilty was sacred

Untrod Tripod · Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:44 pm

Spoiler:

Untrod Tripod · Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:53 pm

scum comin out of the woodwork to discredit the claimed guilty

Untrod Tripod · Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:00 pm

oh really

why is that

Untrod Tripod · Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:41 pm

I'm just having a really hard time containing my glee that there's a claiming guilty on the guy I've been trying to get lynched all game

Untrod Tripod · Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:31 pm

Untrod Tripod · Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:33 pm

unvote

mod: in the event of there being 6 living players, with a 3:3 distribution, would the game end in a town loss?

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:15 am

bear in mind also that this is probably mylo, so chamber waiting until now to release a "guilty" is... suspect to say the least

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:16 am

given that his guilty is what he's claiming and he waited until now to release it, that is

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:24 am

I dunno man, I've seen scum claim all kinds of weird shit in mylo/lylo

what exactly is your role? how are you just now getting it? why quilford?

today could be it so we need to lay our cards on the table mang

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:28 am

look man, I want this !Varsoon lynch so bad I've had a priapism since you said you had a guilty

but I'm not going to let my lust for blood get in the way of NOT LOSING THE GAME

so, to be clear, you're claiming coroner now?

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:30 am

forensic

I am dumb

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:31 am

In post 1426, Shinobi wrote:
In post 1417, Untrod Tripod wrote:bear in mind also that this is probably mylo, so chamber waiting until now to release a "guilty" is... suspect to say the least

That's what I was saying.

well he said guilty, not "damning forensic/watcher/tracker/etc results"

cop guilties get my dick rock hard

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:38 am

full claim please

with actions/dates/results

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:57 am

there's a really high probability of that, actually, given that you would pretty much only target dead players

unlimited shot forensic in a mini seems SUPER broken

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:00 am

...I'm dumb

anyway dead players would probably not have a lot of "targets" on them in a mini, esp given the roles flipped

so...

I dunno. this is hard.

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:01 am

like, I want so badly to believe you.

so much so that it seems like a given that LLD and I would be built in votes for a !Varsoon wagon he would be the person to frame

that's who I would frame in your position

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:02 am

and anyway to answer your way earlier question that's why I unvoted because if I'm wrong then we could easily have had a quickhammer game over

the moment that doubt set in I realized I needed to back off to think

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:15 am

In post 1459, Shinobi wrote:Technically I understand what you're saying but there's always the possibility of the role being super swingy.
Meh. I don't really have experience with it.

Alternatively, would scum come up with such an "out-there" role? Why not just claim cop or something?

specific is more believable

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:22 am

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

chamber's claim is just sooooooooooooo convenient though

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:47 am

what game? was that Genesis?

that was a bastard game, bro all bets were off

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:48 am

In post 1475, BBmolla wrote:holy fuck UT if you're scum who made chamber claim that to fuck with me

ayy lmao

...are you suggesting that chamber is scum with me and that we crafted that fakeclaim so that I could believe it then doubtcast it so we could force a lynch on him and clear me until endgame?

that'd be hilariously devious, but I'd never be THAT cheeky

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:50 am

~~aGgrESsivE - mInD - gAMeS~~~~~

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:59 am

how possible is it that LLD was bussing the whole time, and the team is like !Varsoon/LLD/catboi

wow look I can do that too

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:02 pm

In post 1483, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1481, Untrod Tripod wrote:how possible is it that LLD was bussing the whole time, and the team is like !Varsoon/LLD/catboi

wow look I can do that too

That's an extremely defensive response from you, given the situation.

I'm starting to get super paranoid

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:16 pm

okay, so, catboi, you think that it's !Varsoon/LLD/???

LLD you think it's !Varsoon/catboi/dw

chamber you're claiming a "guilty" on !Varsoon

I've wanted to lynch !Varsoon since basically post 1

seems like the common denominator here is !Varsoon.

the only issue I'm having here is that LLD and I have been SO on this varsoon thing that like, if there's any possibility he's town then it'd be a slam dunk for a scum player to claim a guilty on him since they'd have the votes built in. it's so convenient it's making me paranoid.

like, it felt so good to throw that vote down that my first reaction after the thrill of the boner passed was "holy shit, am I getting played"

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:24 pm

In post 1531, catboi wrote:p-e: yeah, but now I have doubts and stuff

about what

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:46 pm

In post 1543, Shinobi wrote:
In post 1541, catboi wrote:we could always just lynch lld which would be extremely funny, to me

Can back this.
Also I've already claimed if we're doing the massclaim thing.

my paranoia is making me think there's a possibility LLD's whole ra ra town ra ra UT thing was buddying

it's probably more likely than chamber faking a forensic investigator guilty for a last day mislynch

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:52 pm

In post 1487, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1485, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1483, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1481, Untrod Tripod wrote:how possible is it that LLD was bussing the whole time, and the team is like !Varsoon/LLD/catboi

wow look I can do that too

That's an extremely defensive response from you, given the situation.

I'm starting to get super paranoid

Well, ask yourself, with the skill level at scum I have, why I'd bother saying what I said there, knowing it would fuel that paranoia, as opposed to trying to lure you and stroke your ego?

In post 1498, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I honestly truly to god believe you're town this game UT. Not JUST because of the way we've played off each other, but you've been tunnelling !Varsoon so hard with me it's... it would be impressive to see you fool me that way so I'm going to believe in you. Plus, I think Catboi is scum, and I've been trying to bait him the past few posts into committing somewhere.

those next to each other gave me pause. that's one of my favorite moves as scum. say exactly what I would do as scum and then do it.

Untrod Tripod · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:53 pm

In post 1547, Shinobi wrote:Oh come on.
That's, like, not even a role.

I've used flavor cop in games many times

not defending him, I'm just saying it's a real role

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:39 am

weak generally means what chamber is assuming on MS.net

that being said, I think forensic investigator and what is basically a stronger hider in a mini is bullshit unless the mafia power is absolutely bonkers

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:16 am

Weak doc is what I was talking about

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:30 am

Too many dicks on the dancefloor chamber

Someone has to be scum and it's starting to look like you

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:31 am

The claimed info roles can't both be town. Flavorcop is waaaaaay less bs than forensic. And loretta isnt a good pairing with that role

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:03 am

In post 1598, chamber wrote:
In post 1595, Untrod Tripod wrote:And loretta isnt a good pairing with that role

Because of the forensics angle? that's something you and bbmolla introduced. My role's flavour is purely watching, which is also how I first described it. I'd never even heard of a forensic investigator before Today.

the role you claimed is forensic investigator

I can call a vig a tracker, but it's still a vig

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:20 am

yes or no, do you target people after they die and find out who has targeted them over teh course of the game?

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:31 am

In post 1610, chamber wrote:yes

that is a forensic investigator. stop trying to word it in such a way as to make it sound less powerful.

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:35 am

In post 1614, chamber wrote:@UT: I've never denied the power, I'm denying your claims that the flavour doesn't fit.

well considering that Loretta is aligned with the Bennetts....

I mean if you really want to go down the flavor rabbithole your claim is really goddamn scummy

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:39 am

it's been a while. I thought she was selling their weed or something?

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:22 pm

chamber is trying to make it look like he's been doing something other than getting a "guilty"

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:33 pm

yeah it's carnage in that ISO

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:55 pm

In post 1640, Dwlee99 wrote:Not sure if it's possible to really tell the difference.

I know a way we can find out for sure

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:09 pm

it was lynching them

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:39 pm

Wait, so you think varsoon is scum for his posts but chamber's claimed role seems like bs to you?

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:15 am

In post 1730, catboi wrote:
In post 1728, BBmolla wrote:
Spoiler: this game
warning loud

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:18 pm

In post 1734, catboi wrote:just had another epiphany and am actually completely confident chamber's town now. not going to post it right now tho.

I'm coming around to this atm, but it has more to do with
a. it's more likely that chamber didn't make up that fakeclaim
b. !Varsoon's posting today has been soooooo self-conscious and scummy

my paranoia that chamber crafted a fakeclaim knowing that his scumbuddies would jump on it with the requisite townies (given that LLD and I are practice giftwrapped votes for !Varsoon) is still there, but I'm choosing to ignore it

vote !Varsoon

btw molla you can go ahead and bus now it won't look weird

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:07 pm

In post 1736, Untrod Tripod wrote:a. it's more likely that chamber didn't make up that fakeclaim

this should have read "chamber didn't make up that claim". was trying to say "chamber didn't fakeclaim" at the same time and mashed them up

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:12 pm

Untrod Tripod · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:29 pm

it's just a game, dude

I won't hold it against you

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:35 am

In post 1598, chamber wrote:
In post 1595, Untrod Tripod wrote:And loretta isnt a good pairing with that role

Because of the forensics angle? that's something you and bbmolla introduced. My role's flavour is purely watching, which is also how I first described it. I'd never even heard of a forensic investigator before Today.

In post 1816, ChannelDelibird wrote:
chamber, Loretta McCready, Town One-shot
Forensic Investigator

god dammit chamber

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:44 am

In post 604, Shinobi wrote:Tripod sell me on this varsoon lynch.
I don't really see it but it's starting to look like it's one of our only viable options.

this was a post I kept rereading last night.

he was trying to push people off !Varsoon quite a bit over the course of the game

looks p bad

oh also I kept saying UNLIMITED SHOT FORENSIC SOUNDS BULLSHIT AND BROKEN ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE NOT 1-SHOT and didn't get an answer on that and it was a big reason I was so hesitant to buy his claim. we could have saved like five days, man.

OH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHAT POSTGAME CHAMBER I ASSURE YOU OF THAT

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:46 am

anyway, dwlee I will admit has been looking worse to me as the game goes on, partially because I never really understood why he was so widely townread. I'll have to look through his ISO to see if I can find any of the posts specifically I didn't love, but I hadn't been sweating it because honestly I figured I'd be dead by the time he was lynchable.

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:47 am

In post 1836, Shinobi wrote:I don't understand what's wrong with that post.

I dunno man I can't figure out how to bus organically can you give me a good reason so I can sheep you without looking like I already knew his alignment"

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:49 am

you're convoluted and dumb

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:53 am

UR FACE

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:54 am

it was a joke, dude, not a personal attack

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:09 am

Shinobi wrote:I'm crying irl.
Really, I am.

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:26 pm

In post 1900, Dwlee99 wrote:me, you and shinobi as confirmed town

woah woah

CONFIRMED? when were you confirmed town again?

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:27 pm

In post 1849, BBmolla wrote:UT does your role pm have a role name

do you mean my character?

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:36 pm

Carol Johnson, aligned with town

I'm a VT

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:38 pm

In post 1904, catboi wrote:and was pretty clearly trying to subtly maneuver toward a lynch of chamber yesterday

pretty clearly and subtly don't get to be in the same thought. you have to pick one.

also that's a pretty nice story you're writing there, but what happened is chamber's claim, as he made it, looked preeeeeeeeeeeeetty sketchy. I stand by my skepticism.

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:38 pm

In post 1907, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1902, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1900, Dwlee99 wrote:me, you and shinobi as confirmed town

woah woah

CONFIRMED? when were you confirmed town again?

By myself and my results. Interesting you picked out that one point out of my post and decided to ignore everything else I said.

words mean things. you can't be confirmed by yourself. you can't just throw CONFIRMED TOWN like it means something when you're NOT

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:41 pm

yeah not having your exact reads is a giant red flag

stop the presses, we've solved mafia

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:42 pm

In post 1911, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1909, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1907, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1902, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1900, Dwlee99 wrote:me, you and shinobi as confirmed town

woah woah

CONFIRMED? when were you confirmed town again?

By myself and my results. Interesting you picked out that one point out of my post and decided to ignore everything else I said.

words mean things. you can't be confirmed by yourself. you can't just throw CONFIRMED TOWN like it means something when you're NOT

I'm confirmed town to myself.

So whatever dude. I'm literally just typing my thoughts out and I get attacked for doing it. Sorry, I'll just lurk and not post my thoughts on the game. How would you like that? -_-

not bullshitting on what is and is not confirmed town (hint, you're not) would be a good start

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:45 pm

I didn't really feel like quizzing a mostly non-entity whose only big contribution up until yesterday was to agree with me on my one strong read

why is that a red flag to you?

Untrod Tripod · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:46 pm

In post 1915, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm SPEAKING MY THOUGHTS. I swear you're just trying to find anything wrong with my posts and attack them even when I explained I am typing my thoughts out.

that's nice

your thoughts on what "confirmed town" means are inaccurate

I like to keep a standard of accuracy even in my free association mode, but I guess I'm just ~weird~

Untrod Tripod · Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:13 am

In post 1935, catboi wrote:also just remembered this: I'm 95% confident I was Xtoxm's doc target on night 1

why?

Untrod Tripod · Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:13 am

In post 1924, BBmolla wrote:
In post 1903, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1849, BBmolla wrote:UT does your role pm have a role name

do you mean my character?

no

you're giving chamber shit for not saying it was forensic investigator

does your role pm actually say your role? Cause if not it's likely chamber wasn't being a dickweed and was just telling the truth.

that's a solid point. I assumed the power role PMs looked different for some reason

Untrod Tripod · Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:11 pm

I think you're jumping to conclusions to make yourself "confirmed" with the weak doc, but since I'm townreading you it doesn't really seem worth the argument

Untrod Tripod · Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:15 pm

just for the sake of up-to-datedness, what are your potential scumteams now?

because wrt you I think the only way you're scum is if you're scum with dw (he gave a flavor result on you, right?)

Untrod Tripod · Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:49 pm

In post 1944, catboi wrote:I see zero other possible theories as to who he protected that make sense. Someone wants to suggest I'm not confirmed, they're going to have to come up with a believable alternative explanations for his n1 protection target. And you know, ignore the big honking breadcrumb in 1041.

You're scum with LLD, I've known that since the middle of yesterday. Good luck selling me on anyone else.

well literally any town player in the game is a possibility. not all of them are likely, but they're all possibilities.

I think you're making solid deductions based on his posts, but it's ALWAYS worth remembering that you can never know for sure without mod confirmed information and that mafia players are not rational actors.

Untrod Tripod · Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:53 pm

In post 1945, Dwlee99 wrote:Untrod, who do YOU think is the scum team?
That should be the question~

honestly, you and someone else. not sure who, but I think you're scum based on your claim.

flavor cop is practically an alignment cop in this setup, so I'm not buying it, weak doc, and forensic investigator in the same setup. unlimited town flavor cop is INCREDIBLY OP in a mini if you can determine alignment based on mod-confirmed flavor.

and honestly I'm starting to think catboi makes a lot of sense with dw

PEdit hey what do you know the strongest player in the game is on board with me on that

Untrod Tripod · Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:30 pm

In post 552, Xtoxm wrote:So yeah, i've not been able to give mafia the level of attention i'd have liked to this week.

Here's how i'm viewing the game:

Quilford
- The force replace and PC's reaction to it is enough for me to believe this slot is town.

I_Am_Not_Varsoon
- He felt town to me throughout, and his fading townread on me is consistent with a townie losing faith in an underwhelming player which is what I have been more recently; it is across the board and is a RL tell, unfortunately. He was also likely an early scum target.

catboi
- Mainly due Spiffeh that he's in the strong town read category, but his own play has been pretty solid too.

Dwlee99
- Play surrounding the PC wagon looked town, among other things.

Scorpious
- Felt town early on particularly with what he said about LLD, nothing since made me question the read (certainly not the drop off in activity that catboi suggests is scummy).

Yimmy
- This is more gut than anything, feels genuine, responses to pressure have not struck me as scum.

popsofctown
- So I was scumreading him early on and I think i've flipped on it, not completely attached to this new read but I think he may have towntelled. When I speculated on Vinkah scumslipping his reaction was very town, he thought about it in the same way that I did, and if he was scum it would have been very easy for him to attack me for 'weak reasoning', but that was not the path he took.

Vinkah
- Play doesn't scream town to me, claim is pretty oddball and basically the only reason i'm townreading him..I may or may not be onto something with the 'scumslip', but it's not overwhelmingly convincing, and not something I plan to deathtunnel someone over. Could do with expanding on the claim, which I don't understand the mechanics of and was never really explained in any detail, but i'm not in a rush to make that happen.

chamber
- Chamber and UT have failed to make any much of an impression at all on me which is a scumtell in itself; I expect at least one of these two are scum. Mild gut puts Chamber a shade more on the town side.

Untrod Tripod
- As above.

Shinobi
- Initially was townreading, then it faded, and more recently didn't like his reads list where all he really does is call a bunch of people town, and only attacks the two most passive and absent players in the game, looks like scum playing safe and avoiding conflict. Reminds me of a game I played as scum recently.

Lady Lambdadelta
- Over aggressive start to the game felt very faked, I think an attempt to earn some townreads. Attacked me for my vote on PC at a time when there was literally no reason for anyone other than scum to believe he was town, which i'm pretty sure is a scumtell. Overall not feeling genuine attempts to scumhunt from this slot, and would be my preferred lynch at this point.

here's a list of people he could have targeted

Untrod Tripod · Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:57 pm

In post 1976, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1974, catboi wrote:*dismissive wanking motion*

Can I also say that, I'm really glad you're scum, because to be town and play like you, you'd need a serious developmental delay.

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:55 am

SHINE THE MOLLA SIGNAL

GET IN HERE BRO

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:05 am

I've played enough with LLD to know not to get between her and whoever she's arguing with

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:35 am

I'm mostly super confused by you right now because dw is almost DEFINITELY scum based on his claim, but you're just focusing on hard defending him and trying to use his claimed results to clear your alignment

it seems like you're a pretty bright player, so I really don't understand why you're just completely failing to get this unless it's just that you're scum

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:50 am

In post 2014, catboi wrote:Well I also explained why I think that's unlikely and you've ignored that too.

Well I also explained why I think that's unlikely and you've ignored that too.

that's nice. I think you're wrong.

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:51 am

In post 2014, catboi wrote:But you're trying to change the subject. Whether or not dwlee is scum, really, isn't relevant to my case on Lambda. You don't seem to want to comment on it. Why?

I literally just fucking said. I find you to be a far likelier pairing with dw than LLD is

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:52 am

you can't just fucking say "oh you're trying to change the subject. oh I already explained this. oh why won't you engage with my case."

that's gish gallup bullshit and I'm not interested.

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:56 am

like, your deductions are fine in and of themselves, but they come from the faulty premise that dw is town. based on his claim HE ISN'T and the fact that everyone here who has any kind of experience with designing games (me molla and lld) has realized this should mean something to you

but it doesn't because you're just trying to push this narrative because you KNOW if you step back and reexamine it your whole argument falls apart

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:59 am

In post 2020, catboi wrote:when I say "why are you ignoring my case on LLD"

BECAUSE I THINK THE SCUMTEAM IS YOU AND DWLEE HOLY FUCKING SHIT ARE YOU EVEN READING THE FUCKING GAME BEFORE YOU POST

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:00 am

we're done here

molla and shin need to get in here and contribute

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:02 am

read.

the.

fucking.

thread.

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:03 am

wait. I'm arguing with scum. he's being blockheaded on purpose.

seriously okay I'm done with this.

Shinobi and BBmolla, you are needed.

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:11 am

In post 1950, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1945, Dwlee99 wrote:Untrod, who do YOU think is the scum team?
That should be the question~

honestly, you and someone else. not sure who, but I think you're scum based on your claim.

flavor cop is practically an alignment cop in this setup, so I'm not buying it, weak doc, and forensic investigator in the same setup. unlimited town flavor cop is INCREDIBLY OP in a mini if you can determine alignment based on mod-confirmed flavor.

and honestly I'm starting to think catboi makes a lot of sense with dw

PEdit hey what do you know the strongest player in the game is on board with me on that

~~~~~~for posterity~~~~~~~

Untrod Tripod · Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:16 am

yeah dude, rethinking my reads based on the current gamestate is so scummy

you should teach master classes

Untrod Tripod · Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:59 am

In post 2109, Shinobi wrote:(I mean I also think they're mafia for other reasons but I've always been a fan of "most games are actually easy so let's not overthink it.")

then how about lynch the role that only makes sense as scum given the setup?

Untrod Tripod · Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:02 am

unlimited town flavor cop in a theme game where flavor prooooooooooooooobably alignment is fucking busted

it does, however, make perfect sense as a scum role

THINK ABOUT IT FOR FIVE SECONDS SHIN combined with weak doc (an investigative role) and forensic investigator (another investigative role)

there's no goddamn way that's the setup

Untrod Tripod · Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:03 am

THE FACT THAT MOLLA LLD AND I ALL THINK THIS SHOULD BE A GIGANTIC FUCKING HINT SIGN FOR YOU

Untrod Tripod · Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:22 am

In post 2124, catboi wrote:Oh, for sure

over the top rhetoric and repetition are WAY more town

yeah, excuse me for harping on the ONE thing that scum can't fake

Untrod Tripod · Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:35 am

In post 2129, catboi wrote:it's based on pure paranoia

mmm no

unlike you, I actually know how to design balanced mafia games

Untrod Tripod · Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:38 am

Untrod Tripod · Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:42 am

you could potentially argue that she's trying to buddy me, but it's definitely not the other way around

Untrod Tripod · Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:42 am

like, that's just not how partners interact at all