Mini 1726: Netherspite's Semi-Open Role Madness [Game Over]

[Heartless]

Let's go. I need to get to screwing everyone.

I'm sure you're a beautiful person Titus, but I don't swing that way. Sorry.

[Heartless]

So maybe we should start thinking about the setup?

If we look at our own roles and identify what would be balanced we can probably figure out the scum roles and which neutrals are in the game and act accordingly.

uh huh......
so how do you feel about the setup being randomly generated?

also, how does everyone feel about having 3 lynches today?

[Heartless]

do you have any on-site scum games, spiffeh?

[Heartless]

X

oooooooh, sorry. the correct answer was actually "no, i have 3 games but i was town in all of them."

thank you for playing "who's reading anti's posts?" better luck next time.

[Heartless]

ooooo ank ur so edgy and....

fucking boring.

fong's gambits is for n00bs

[Heartless]

omg do we have a marshall? thats like the most fun thing ever

Heartless publicly reveals himself as a Town Marshall!

^_^/
Hi there!

I would've really liked to use it later but the chances of this hydra making it very far in this game isn't great given our recent nightkill record.

Let's get cracking.

VOTE: Shiro

[Heartless]

Shiro needs to vote Spiffeh and so does Dave. Then we will be there.

I'm not town reading Spiffeh, but I've got a reasonably strong (for RVS) scum read on Shiro at this point. She posts a lot and puts a lot of effort into being funny and cute, but she's very much on the periphery of the discussion and she likes to stick to people.

[Heartless]

Bins is shaping up to be a not-terrible vote.

[Heartless]

@Heartless, Shiro has more of a dominant personality as scum, similar to my own. I just finished Jungle Republic with her.

A skim of her ISO doesn't give me a remarkably different impression from her play this game.

Don't shut me down based on stuff like this, Titus. It's bad form.

[Heartless]

Bins is shaping up to be a not-terrible vote.

my wagon will be a colossal waste of your time

if only i could PM the mod to conftown me

Spoiler: Owie :(

[Heartless]

You got your skim. I lived it. Obviously, you wouldn't lie as conftown but Shiro was very aggressive with me the entire time, and buttering me up.

This just doesn't jive with what you are saying.

Your sample size here is five pages and you're working from the assumption Shiro would take the exact same approach as scum. These are two problems I came up with off the top of my head with little effort.

You really feel strongly enough about it to fight me on this?

[Heartless]

I feel meta is shit. But experience trumps ad hoc reading.

Do I hear ego creeping in?
I don't want to.

Why are you fighting me on Spiffeh?

I'm not town reading him but I feel like he's in trouble for not following site norms that he wouldn't necessarily even know about. Honestly, I think the worst thing in his posting is suggesting the mass claim and then distancing himself from it when it brought some heat. The other points seem oversold.

[Heartless]

'mkay bins claims neutral benign.

anyone wanna' cc while the iron's hot?

[Heartless]

Could someone roleblock his corpse?

nope

you made the bed now you sleep in it

[Heartless]

What are your thoughts?

nope. you had your shot, you blew it.

can the shiro wagon happen now?

[Heartless]

Could someone roleblock his corpse?

nope

you made the bed now you sleep in it

i also happen to think that the spiffeh wagon was heavily scum-ridden. plz don't block the vengekill.

[Heartless]

Spoiler: it's like there's an echo in here

So maybe we should start thinking about the setup?

If we look at our own roles and identify what would be balanced we can probably figure out the scum roles and which neutrals are in the game and act accordingly.

uh huh......
so how do you feel about the setup being randomly generated?

also, how does everyone feel about having 3 lynches today?

ooooo ank ur so edgy and....

fucking boring.

fong's gambits is for n00bs

Ank you are such a rebel that I cut myself on your edge

Spiffeh all roles are randomized what you said really helps nobody

@ika How do you feel about this one in a life time chance to hammer 3 people in row?

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So basically you're pandering to the confirmed town and buddying up to them knowing that they have the most power in the game right now so hopefully they won't decide to lynch you if you're nice to them? Because that's the air that I'm getting.

spiffeh I am sorry to say but it isn't Davsto that blows them out of proportion

It is your posts that are scummy. From asking people to role claim to vote hopping to sheeping somoone purely because they are confirmed town.

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I feel meta is shit. But experience trumps ad hoc reading.

Do I hear ego creeping in?
I don't want to.

Why are you fighting me on Spiffeh?

I'm not town reading him but I feel like he's in trouble for not following site norms that he wouldn't necessarily even know about. Honestly, I think the worst thing in his posting is suggesting the mass claim and then distancing himself from it when it brought some heat. The other points seem oversold.

this isnt spiffehs first game

but hes never played scum before. Gee, i wonder why he seems so normal in other games and so robotic and obvscum in this one?

hes not new to mafia hes new to being scum. lynch with fire

I think the play today is to follow the confirmed town's lead.

Btw forgot to say but this is awkward and scummy.

You basically want to hide behind the conftown instead of laying out your own thoughts and opinions.

That is not a town mindset. You didn't act like this in Nyctapolis.

the only thing in shiro's iso are rehashed opinions and shallow, crappy pushes on the softest target available. it was spiffeh but now it looks like it's going to be ank.

don't fall for it. vote scum. vote shiro.

[Heartless]

VOTE: shiro

[Heartless]

add "awkwardly avoiding the conversation about massclaim" to scumbag checklist

[Heartless]

titus, i'm putting you on ignore if you keep this up

VOTE: hiplop

^There's the idea.

And, from these posts alone, you have magically deduced that they are scum how exactly?

Avoiding major wagons, not contributing. It's not that they're scum, just that they provide zero utility to town.

I would honestly prefer lynching ank for that matter. Unless you have a reason to believe he would be like that as town.

[Heartless]

actually... i might lynch you b/c taking strained angles to defend ppl is firmly in your scum meta.

[Heartless]

Why can't you actually answer about your reads? It's frustrating when I extend an olive branch trying to work with you and you're just being a bully to push through bad logic.

b/c i'm scum and i'm trying to push a mislynch

duh

[Heartless]

oh noes the self-meta. that'll show me.

I didn't avoid it I called it useless in one of my posts about Spiffeh

X

that was in response to the whole early "balance" thing spiffeh brought up (and it was a parrot of what I SAID EARLIER)

you have yet to say anything about a bona fide massclaim like what ika brought up.

[Heartless]

@Heartless, Vote me then. I am not "taking strained angles" just because you think I am wrong.

yes you are

you're using meta taken from a known multiball setup AT A DIFFERENT PHASE OF THE GAME than this one to grant a very tenuous town read. i.e. - non-representative meta

[Heartless]

the fact this isn't unfolding like the turd spiffeh wagon is further proof that it's a lot better.

conftown shouldn't be getting this much resistance.

[Heartless]

davsto... might be scum

[Heartless]

For the record I'm totally agreed on Shiro but your scumslip was so obvious that I had to vote it.

yeah... you're getting tons of yucks, that was hilarious.

vote shiro.

[Heartless]

i think this would be an opportune time for someone to point out that just because we're conftown, it doesn't mean we're right.

that'll really put us in our place

[Heartless]

ARE YOU GOING TO FUCKING ARGUE SPIFFEH WAS A SCUM LYNCH

HOLY FUCK

VOTE: deleen

not dealing with this shit

[Heartless]

mason claim or gtfo

[Heartless]

titus, for all intents and purposes, spiffeh was a mislynch

acknowledge that, or i'm lynching you

[Heartless]

VOTE: shiro

titus, if there's anything other than "i'm masons with shiro" you have to say, plz don't fucking defend her as vehemently as you are right now. ESPECIALLY IF, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, YOU THINK META IS SHIT.

all you're doing is making the game more dysfunctional (which is ok if you're scum, not if you're town)

[Heartless]

That is two contradiction \0/

Huzzah

They are contradiction right ? I was once schooled by thor that what I thought was a contradiction actually wasn't

thor didn't teach you very well then. zero contradictions

[Heartless]

You just seem to be agreeing with whoever's pushing the vote.

this is a scumtell for you?

plz tell me more...

[Heartless]

antihero's premature insanely early readslist

town: ika, ankamius

scum: shiro, runner, delenn

tth can deal w/ these: bellaphant, bins, davsto, aristophanes, hiplop, jeanne11

not bad for 10 pages work

[Heartless]

Sigh....

Anti, are you opposed to mass claim given the idea and experince i have for it?

i... am actually totally for the massclaim

let's do it

[Heartless]

Before

Shiro needs to vote Spiffeh and so does Dave. Then we will be there.

I'm not town reading Spiffeh, but I've got a reasonably strong (for RVS) scum read on Shiro at this point. She posts a lot and puts a lot of effort into being funny and cute, but she's very much on the periphery of the discussion and she likes to stick to people.

After

Spoiler: it's like there's an echo in here

So maybe we should start thinking about the setup?

If we look at our own roles and identify what would be balanced we can probably figure out the scum roles and which neutrals are in the game and act accordingly.

uh huh......
so how do you feel about the setup being randomly generated?

also, how does everyone feel about having 3 lynches today?

ooooo ank ur so edgy and....

fucking boring.

fong's gambits is for n00bs

Ank you are such a rebel that I cut myself on your edge

Spiffeh all roles are randomized what you said really helps nobody

@ika How do you feel about this one in a life time chance to hammer 3 people in row?

---------------------------

So basically you're pandering to the confirmed town and buddying up to them knowing that they have the most power in the game right now so hopefully they won't decide to lynch you if you're nice to them? Because that's the air that I'm getting.

spiffeh I am sorry to say but it isn't Davsto that blows them out of proportion

It is your posts that are scummy. From asking people to role claim to vote hopping to sheeping somoone purely because they are confirmed town.

---------------------------

I feel meta is shit. But experience trumps ad hoc reading.

Do I hear ego creeping in?
I don't want to.

Why are you fighting me on Spiffeh?

I'm not town reading him but I feel like he's in trouble for not following site norms that he wouldn't necessarily even know about. Honestly, I think the worst thing in his posting is suggesting the mass claim and then distancing himself from it when it brought some heat. The other points seem oversold.

this isnt spiffehs first game

but hes never played scum before. Gee, i wonder why he seems so normal in other games and so robotic and obvscum in this one?

hes not new to mafia hes new to being scum. lynch with fire

I think the play today is to follow the confirmed town's lead.

Btw forgot to say but this is awkward and scummy.

You basically want to hide behind the conftown instead of laying out your own thoughts and opinions.

That is not a town mindset. You didn't act like this in Nyctapolis.

the only thing in shiro's iso are rehashed opinions and shallow, crappy pushes on the softest target available. it was spiffeh but now it looks like it's going to be ank.

don't fall for it. vote scum. vote shiro.

in all fairness, i'm really just saying what tth said except i have the benefit of more of the game behind me to pull specific examples.

[Heartless]

i also am not against everyone jsut claiming next post

yep, i'm for this

[Heartless]

order doesn't rly matter here b/c scum are going to end up in an overcrowded pool regardless

[Heartless]

sc2 mafia seems a lot like EM tbh

claim

[Heartless]

there aren't any vt's...

ika did you claim?

[Heartless]

RANDOM IS NOT A GROUP

[Heartless]

i'm a random government

holy shit how obvious have i made my role

not at all b/c none of those call for undue caginess

[Heartless]

vigilant and vigilante are two entirely different words...


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[Heartless]

there's pretty much 1 role that is 100% confirmable during the night i thought i dicked around enough

i have reads and stuff but i like finally being able to be secretive about it

crier is p much a named townie / ic. why would you need to be secretive about your reads?

...

whatever...

[Heartless]

i see jeanne at the bottom.

if she does not claim, i'm going to assume she's claim stalling

[Heartless]

Titus, you did scumslip.

multiple times

the entire team was outed by day 2. i have no idea how town lost this.

now everyone stew in their disgrace.

[Heartless]

I think the mafia were significantly overpowered in this particular setup. They had an extra kill with the kidnapper, an extra member in the judge, and a way to hijack one of the town's lynches.

I think if there ends up being a judge, scum should get significantly less power or town should get significantly more.