Mini 1726: Netherspite's Semi-Open Role Madness [Game Over]

[Netherspite]

Mini 1726: Netherspite's Semi-Open Role Madness

Status: Game Over

Playerlist:

1.

Runner

2.

Delenn

(hydra of Klingoncelt + Titus)
3.

Bins

4.

Bellaphant

5.

gummmybear

ika

6.

Davsto

7.

Ankamius

8.

Spiffeh

9.

Heartless

(hydra of Antihero + TellTaleHeart)
10.

Aristophanes

11.

Shiro

12.

hiplop

13.

Jeanne11

Bold

= Confirmed
* = Prod

Spoiler: Still Alive

Runner
Delenn
Bins
Bellaphant
ika
Shiro
hiplop
Jeanne11

Spoiler: Dead

Spiffeh (

Jester

) lynched

Day 1

Heartless (

Town Marshall

) lynched

Day 1

.
Ankamius (

Town Vigilante

) lynched

Day 1

.
Aristophanes (

Arsonist

) suicided

Night 1

.
Davsto (

Town Sheriff

) lynched

Day 2

.

Game Events:

• Day 1 Starts
• Heartless
  publicly revealed as a Town Marshall.
• Spiffeh
  has been lynched.
• Judge has called a Court.
• Heartless
  has been lynched.
• Ankamius
  has been lynched.
• Day 1 Ends
• Day 2 Starts
• Day 2 Ends

Links:

• Dead PT:
  here.
• Mafia PT:
  here.
• Night Actions and Results:
  here.

[Netherspite]

RULES

(stolen and modified from Wisdom)

Game Timeline

• Day phases will last two weeks.
• Night phases will last for 48 hours. Nights will not end early.

General Rules

• All Forum Rules and Guidelines apply and must be followed.
• Unless your role PM specifically states you are allowed to, you may not discuss this game outside of this thread.
• You may not directly quote any private communications (such as role PMs or Private Topics) in this thread.
• Do not use encrypted or hard-to-see text (including "invisible" text, text below the 50% text size option, or text hidden via BBCode). Spoiler tags are allowed.
• If you are somehow able to edit/delete your posts, don’t. If you need a tag fixed or something similar, I’ll do it for you.
• I will not tolerate personal attacks, insults, disrespect. This is a game.
• You may not reveal your scumbuddies. Revealing scum from the
  other faction
  is allowed.

Votes, Lynching, Death

• Votes must be in the format of VOTE: Netherspite (vote tags) or
  VOTE: Netherspite
  (bold tags). Abbreviations, missing punctuation, and misspellings will be accepted as long as it is obvious to me who is being voted for. If I perceive it as a vote, it will count as a vote.
• Unvotes are not necessary to change a vote, but you can use them if you like.
• A player will be lynched if a majority of the players have voted for that player; when that happens, no further votes/unvotes will have any effect.
• You may vote for a
  No Lynch
  . If a majority of players vote for a
  No Lynch
  , the game will proceed to Night without a lynch.
  
  • The above will also happen if no majority has been reached before the deadline.
  
  
• All living players, including the one who was lynched, may continue to post during twilight (until the thread is locked).
• After you are dead, you may not post again.

Activity

• If a player doesn't post in-game after a period of 48 hours, they will be prodded.
• If a player is prodded, they have 24 hours to make an in-game post before a replacement will be found.
• If a player receives multiple prods and/or prod-dodges excessively, they will be subject to a force-replace.
• If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period, let me know by either posting a notice inthread or PMing me.

Setup generation

• Exact setup will be generated using random.org.
• Setup will be re-randomized if one of the following conditions will not be met:
  
  • There should be either none of the
    masonry
    and
    cult
    or both of them in the game.
  
  

Game mechanics

• If there are
  no deaths
  during 3 consecutive day & night phases, the town will win the game.
• Death Notes
  : When Mafia or Neutral killing role is submitting a night kill action they can send any text along as a "Death Note". This text will be found on the victim's corpse at morning and revealed to the town.
• 1v1 tie resolution:
  if game will come down to a player versus player at the start of a day, it will conclude with roles winning in the following priority order:
  
  • Arsonist
  • Serial Killer
  • Mass Murderer
  • Town Citizen
  • Mafia
  • Cult
  • Witch / Auditor / Judge (they also can with with all the above factions together besides Town Citizen)
  • Jester / Executioner / Amnesiac / Survivor (they can win together with anyone as long as their win condition is met)
  • Other townies
  
  

Misc

• Any night actions not submitted by the night deadline will be forfeited.
• THIS
  color is reserved for the moderator. Do not use it.
• If you have a question,
  bold
  it inthread so I don’t miss it or PM me. The same goes if you spot any mistakes I may make.
• Above all: Play to your win condition, respect your fellow players, and

  have fun!

[Netherspite]

SETUP

The setup for this game consists of the following slots:

• Town Government
• Town Investigative
• Town Protective
• Town Killing or Power
• Town Random
• Town Random
• Town Random
• Godfather
• Mafia Support
• Mafia Deception
• Neutral Killing
• Neutral Evil or Benign
• Neutral Evil or Benign

Exact role will be chosen for every slot from the list of the roles allowed for the corresponding role group

randomly

.
Roles allowed in every role group are listed below.
All possible role PMs are listed below role groups sorted by alignment and (for neutrals) by category.

There are no roles possible in the game besides those listed below.
There are no game mechanics in the game besides those listed in game rules and role PMs.

Role Groups:

TOWN GOVERNMENT

Town Citizen
Town Mason
Town Mason Leader
Town Crier
Town Mayor
Town Marshall

TOWN INVESTIGATIVE

Town Sheriff
Town Investigator
Town Detective
Town Lookout

TOWN PROTECTIVE

Town Doctor
Town Escort
Town Bus Driver
Town Bodyguard

TOWN POWER

Town Spy
Town Bus Driver
Town Veteran
Town Jailor

TOWN KILLING

Town Vigilante
Town Bodyguard
Town Veteran
Town Jailor

MAFIA KILLING

Mafioso
Mafia Godfather
Mafia Kidnapper

MAFIA SUPPORT

Mafia Consort
Mafia Consigliere
Mafia Agent

MAFIA DECEPTION

Mafia Framer
Mafia Janitor
Mafia Beguiler
Mafia Kidnapper

NEUTRAL KILLING

Serial Killer
Mass Murderer
Arsonist

NEUTRAL EVIL

Witch
Auditor
Cultist
Witch Doctor
Judge

NEUTRAL BENIGN

Survivor
Jester
Lyncher
Amnesiac

Possible Role PMs:

Town Roles

Spoiler: Citizen

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Citizen

.

Abilities:

• Bulletproof Vest: Once during the game you may PM me that you want to use your bulletproof vest during the night. You are considered bulletproof and cannot be nightkilled during that night.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Mason

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Mason

along with your partners,

PlayerName

and

PlayerName

.

PlayerName

is a

Town Mason Leader

.

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [Private topic link].
• Conversion immunity: You cannot be converted to the
  Cultist
  .
• You become
  Town Mason Leader
  if you're the only member of the masonry alive.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Mason Leader

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Mason Leader

along with your fellow

Town Masons

,

PlayerName

and

PlayerName

.

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [Private topic link].
• Conversion immunity: You cannot be converted to the
  Cultist
  .
• Mason recruitment: Every night you can PM me the name of another player to attempt to recruit him into
  Town Mason
  . The recruitment will only succeed if the target player is a
  Town Citizen
  . If the target player is a member of the
  Cult
  , you will kill him instead. If the target player is a member of
  Mafia
  , he will discover who you are (you will not be notified about it). You are limited to 3 Mason recruitments. If recruitment attempt results in a kill of a member of the
  Cult
  , it will count towards recruitment limit. In the end of the night phase you will receive a PM from me containing the result of the recruitment in a clear and unambiguous way.
• Unique role: There can be only one
  Town Mason Leader
  in the game at any time.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Crier

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Crier

.

Abilities:

• During the night you may anonymously speak with the entire town by sending me a PM containing the text you want to say. I will copy that text into the game thread as being said by the
  Town Crier
  .

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Mayor

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Mayor

.

Abilities:

• Reveal: At any moment during the day phase you may PM me a request to reveal yourself. I will then publicly reveal you in the game thread as the
  Town Mayor
  .
• Vote power: Your vote will count for 3 since your reveal for the remainder of the game.
• You lose vote power if your role changes.
• You cannot be healed by Doctors.
• Unique role: There can be only one
  Town Mayor
  or
  Town Marshall
  in the game at any time (and not both of them).

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Marshall

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Marshall

.

Abilities:

• Reveal: At any moment during the day phase you may PM me a request to reveal yourself. I will then publicly reveal you in the game thread as the
  Town Marshall
  .
• Mass execution: After your reveal town can perform up to 3 lynches during that day phase. Roles of the lynched players will be revealed at the end of the day phase. Mass execution can be performed only once per game regardless of whether there will be another Marshall due to other mechanics or not.
• Unique role: There can be only one
  Town Mayor
  or
  Town Marshall
  in the game at any time (and not both of them).

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Sheriff

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Sheriff

.

Abilities:

• Investigation: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to determine alignment of. If you're still alive at the end of the night you will receive the result of the investigation in a clear and unambiguous way. You may detect the following alignments:
  Mafia
  ,
  Cult
  ,
  Serial Killer
  ,
  Mass Murderer
  ,
  Arsonist
  . Some of the other roles' abilities may affect the result of your investigation.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Investigator

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Investigator

.

Abilities:

• Investigation: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to check for crimes. If you're still alive at the end of the night you will receive the result of the investigation in a clear and unambiguous way. Some of the other roles' abilities may affect the result of your investigation. You will find only the crimes the player already commited, for example a
  Mafioso
  who did not kill anyone personally yet will not have
  Trespassing
  nor
  Murder
  . If he tried to kill someone but the target was protected in some way he will have
  Trespassing
  but not
  Murder
  . If he tried to kill someone but was roleblocked or jailed he will have no crimes.
  Actions performed by the target player in the night the investigation is performed are detected.
  Players of different roles may have the following crimes depending on their previous activity:
  
  • Town Citizen: None.
  • Town Mason: None.
  • Town Mason Leader: Conspiracy, Murder (if killed anyone), Soliciting, Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Town Mayor: None.
  • Town Marshall: None.
  • Town Crier: Disturbing the Peace (always).
  • Town Sheriff: None.
  • Town Investigator: Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Town Detective: Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Town Lookout: Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Town Doctor: None.
  • Town Escort: Soliciting, Disturbing the peace (if roleblocked anyone).
  • Town Bus Driver: Murder (if made anyone die).
  • Town Bodyguard: Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Town Spy: None.
  • Town Jailor: Kidnapping (if jailed anyone), Murder (if executed anyone).
  • Town Veteran: Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Town Vigilante: Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Mafioso: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Mafia Godfather: None.
  • Mafia Kidnapper: Kidnapping (if kidnapped anyone), Murder (if executed anyone).
  • Mafia Consort: Soliciting, Disturbing the peace (if roleblocked anyone).
  • Mafia Consigliere: Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Mafia Agent: Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Mafia Framer: None.
  • Mafia Janitor: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Destruction of Property (if cleaned anyone).
  • Mafia Beguiler: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Murder (if made anyone die).
  • Serial Killer: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Mass Murderer: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Destruction of Property (if visited anyone), Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Arsonist: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Destruction of Property (if doused anyone), Murder (if burned anyone), Arson (if burned anyone).
  • Witch: None.
  • Auditor: Corruption.
  • Judge: Corruption, Disturbing the Peace (always).
  • Cultist: Conspiracy, Soliciting.
  • Witch Doctor: Conspiracy.
  • Survivor: None.
  • Jester: None.
  • Executioner: None.
  • Amnesiac: None.
  
  The following crimes will be detected regardless of whether the target player did anything or not:
  
  • Conspiracy.
  • Soliciting.
  • Corruption.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Detective

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Detective

.

Abilities:

• Investigation: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to follow. If you're still alive at the end of the night you will receive the list of the players your target targeted that night. Some of the other roles' abilities may affect the result of your investigation.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Lookout

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Lookout

.

Abilities:

• Investigation: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to watch the house of. If you're still alive at the end of the night you will receive the list of the players who visited your target that night. You ignore detection immunity other roles may have: you will still see them visiting your target. You can target yourself. Some of the other roles' abilities may affect the result of your investigation.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Doctor

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Doctor

.

Abilities:

• Healing: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to protect. If your target is attacked at that night you will protect them from death. You can only protect your target from one attacker: if two different killing mechanics will affect your target and no other doctors will protect him he will still die. You cannot heal
  Town Mayor
  . If you're still alive at the end of the night you will receive the information on whether your target was attacked this night or not in a clear and unambiguous way.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Escort

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Escort

.

Abilities:

• Roleblock: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to roleblock. Your target will not be able to perform any actions that night. If you're still alive at the end of the night you will receive the information on whether your target was successfully roleblocked or not.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Bus Driver

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Bus Driver

.

Abilities:

• Bus: During the night phase, you may PM me the names of two different players you want to swap. All the night actions targeted at one of your targets will be redirected to another one. You can specify yourself as one of your targets. Your will be considered visiting both houses of your targets for the
  Mass Murderer
  .
  Your targets will know that they were swapped but will not know with whom.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Bodyguard

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Bodyguard

.

Abilities:

• Bodyguard: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to protect. If that target will be attacked at night you will duel with the attacker resulting in you both dying even if the attacker is night immune. You may be protected from death in the duel by Doctor.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Spy

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Spy

.

Abilities:

• Spy: During the night phase you will receive a copy of all the messages in the Mafia PT except for the target selection messages without the names of the message authors. In the end of the night phase you will receive the name of the player who Mafia will attempt to kill this night and the names of all the other players targeted by the Mafia without the information on what actions were performed on them.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Jailor

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Jailor

.

Abilities:

• Jail: During the day phase you may PM me a name of a player you want to jail. When the night phase will start this player will be jailed for the duration of the night. He will be notified by me via PM that he is jailed.
  While being in the jail the player cannot perform any night actions, be roleblocked / killed or communicate in any faction PT he may be member of.
  During the night phase you may send me PMs containing any text. I will directly transfer this text to the player you have jailed without specifying your name. I will specify the sender of the message as "Jailor" for your target. Your target may respond to my PM with any text which I will directly transfer to you.
  If another Jailor or Kidnapper will jail the same target you will see the messages of each other with the sender being specified as "Jailor". Any of you will be able to perform an execution on your target.
  If another Jailor or Kidnapper will jail you your target will not be jailed as you will be considered roleblocked.
  If you and another Jailor or Kidnapper will jail each other both jailings will fail.
• Execution: During the night phase you may at any time send me a PM stating your decision on whether you will execute your jailed target or not. Your target will be instantly informed of your decision. You may change your decision during the night as many times as you like. You may perform a maximum of 2 executions during the game.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Veteran

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Veteran

.

Abilities:

• Alert: During the night phase you may send me a PM stating that you will stay on alert this night. All the players who will visit you this night will be killed by you (including the players who are normally immune to nightkills). You are limited to 3 nights on alert.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Vigilante

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Town Vigilante

.

Abilities:

• Kill: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to kill. You are limited to 3 attacks.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Mafia Roles

Spoiler: Mafioso

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Mafioso

, along with your partners,

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

) and

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

).

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [private topic link].
• Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or other
  Mafioso
  may perform the factional kill if there is no
  Godfather
  alive.

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the town and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Spoiler: Godfather

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Godfather

, along with your partners,

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

) and

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

).

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [private topic link].
• Factional kill: Each night phase, you may perform the factional kill.
• Nightkill immunity: You cannot be killed at night (except by
  Town Bodyguard
  ,
  Town Veteran
  or
  Arsonist
  ).
• Detection immunity: You appear as
  Townie
  who was not doing anything this night to investigative roles (except for
  Town Lookout
  ).
• Roleblock immunity: You cannot be roleblocked. If someone will attempt to roleblock you they will know you were immune.

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the town and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Spoiler: Kidnapper

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Mafia Kidnapper

, along with your partners,

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

) and

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

).

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [private topic link].
• Kidnap: During the day phase you may PM me a name of a player you want to kidnap. When the night phase will start this player will be kidnapped for the duration of the night. He will be notified by me via PM that he is jailed.
  While being kidnapped the player cannot perform any night actions, be roleblocked / killed or communicate in any faction PT he may be member of.
  During the night phase you may send me PMs containing any text. I will directly transfer this text to the player you have kidnapped without specifying your name. I will specify the sender of the message as "Jailor" for your target. Your target may respond to my PM with any text which I will directly transfer to you.
  If another Jailor or Kidnapper will jail the same target you will see the messages of each other with the sender being specified as "Jailor". Any of you will be able to perform an execution on your target.
  If another Jailor or Kidnapper will jail you your target will not be jailed as you will be considered roleblocked.
  If you and another Jailor or Kidnapper will jail each other both jailings will fail.
• Execution: During the night phase you may at any time send me a PM stating your decision on whether you will execute your jailed target or not. Your target will be instantly informed of your decision. You may change your decision during the night as many times as you like. You may perform a maximum of 1 execution during the game.
• You become
  Mafioso
  if you're the only member of the
  Mafia
  alive.

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the town and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Spoiler: Consort

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Mafia Consort

, along with your partners,

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

) and

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

).

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [private topic link].
• Roleblock: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to roleblock. Your target will not be able to perform any actions that night.
• You become
  Mafioso
  if you're the only member of the
  Mafia
  alive.

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the town and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Spoiler: Consigliere

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Mafia Consigliere

, along with your partners,

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

) and

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

).

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [private topic link].
• Investigation: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to check for crimes. If you're still alive at the end of the night you will receive the result of the investigation in a clear and unambiguous way. Some of the other roles' abilities may affect the result of your investigation. You will find only the crimes the player already commited, for example a
  Mafioso
  who did not kill anyone personally yet will not have
  Trespassing
  nor
  Murder
  . If he tried to kill someone but the target was protected in some way he will have
  Trespassing
  but not
  Murder
  . If he tried to kill someone but was roleblocked or jailed he will have no crimes.
  Actions performed by the target player in the night the investigation is performed are detected.
  Players of different roles may have the following crimes depending on their previous activity:
  
  • Town Citizen: None.
  • Town Mason: None.
  • Town Mason Leader: Conspiracy, Murder (if killed anyone), Soliciting, Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Town Mayor: None.
  • Town Marshall: None.
  • Town Crier: Disturbing the Peace (always).
  • Town Sheriff: None.
  • Town Investigator: Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Town Detective: Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Town Lookout: Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Town Doctor: None.
  • Town Escort: Soliciting, Disturbing the peace (if roleblocked anyone).
  • Town Bus Driver: Murder (if made anyone die).
  • Town Bodyguard: Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Town Spy: None.
  • Town Jailor: Kidnapping (if jailed anyone), Murder (if executed anyone).
  • Town Veteran: Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Town Vigilante: Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Mafioso: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Mafia Godfather: None.
  • Mafia Kidnapper: Kidnapping (if kidnapped anyone), Murder (if executed anyone).
  • Mafia Consort: Soliciting, Disturbing the peace (if roleblocked anyone).
  • Mafia Consigliere: Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Mafia Agent: Trespassing (if visited anyone).
  • Mafia Framer: None.
  • Mafia Janitor: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Destruction of Property (if cleaned anyone).
  • Mafia Beguiler: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Murder (if made anyone die).
  • Serial Killer: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Mass Murderer: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Destruction of Property (if visited anyone), Murder (if killed anyone).
  • Arsonist: Trespassing (if visited anyone), Destruction of Property (if doused anyone), Murder (if burned anyone), Arson (if burned anyone).
  • Witch: None.
  • Auditor: Corruption.
  • Judge: Corruption, Disturbing the Peace (always).
  • Cultist: Conspiracy, Soliciting.
  • Witch Doctor: Conspiracy.
  • Survivor: None.
  • Jester: None.
  • Executioner: None.
  • Amnesiac: None.
  
  The following crimes will be detected regardless of whether the target player did anything or not:
  
  • Conspiracy.
  • Soliciting.
  • Corruption.
• You become
  Godfather
  if you're the only member of the
  Mafia
  alive.

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the town and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Spoiler: Agent

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Mafia Agent

, along with your partners,

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

) and

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

).

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [private topic link].
• Investigation: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to follow. If you're still alive at the end of the night you will receive the list of the players your target targeted that night as well as the list of the players who visited your target. Some of the other roles' abilities may affect the result of your investigation. You cannot use this ability in two consecutive nights.
• You become
  Mafioso
  if you're the only member of the
  Mafia
  alive.

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the town and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Spoiler: Framer

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Mafia Framer

, along with your partners,

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

) and

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

).

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [private topic link].
• Frame: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to frame. Your target will appear as a member of
  Mafia
  or
  Cult
  with random set of crimes to the investigative roles.
• Detection immunity: You appear as
  Townie
  who was not doing anything this night to investigative roles (except for
  Town Lookout
  ).
• You become
  Mafioso
  if you're the only member of the
  Mafia
  alive.

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the town and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Spoiler: Janitor

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Mafia Janitor

, along with your partners,

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

) and

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

).

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [private topic link].
• Sanitize: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to sanitize. If your target dies this night its role will not be revealed to the town. You are limited to 2 sanitizes.
• You become
  Mafioso
  if you're the only member of the
  Mafia
  alive.

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the town and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Spoiler: Beguiler

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Mafia Beguiler

, along with your partners,

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

) and

PlayerName

(

Exact Mafia Role

).

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [private topic link].
• Hide: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to hide in the house of. All the night actions targeted at you will be redirected to that player. You are limited to a 3 hidings. You can hide behind your partners.
• You become
  Mafioso
  if you're the only member of the
  Mafia
  alive.

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the town and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Neutral Killing Roles

Spoiler: Serial Killer

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Serial Killer

.

Abilities:

• Kill: Each night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to kill.
• Nightkill immunity: You cannot be killed at night (except by
  Town Bodyguard
  ,
  Town Veteran
  or
  Arsonist
  ).
• Roleblock immunity: You cannot be roleblocked.

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the Town and Mafia and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Spoiler: Mass Murderer

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Mass Murderer

.

Abilities:

• Killing Spree: Each night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to visit the house of. You will kill everyone who will visit that player this night. Players not visiting anyone will be considered visiting themselves.
  Town Bus Drivers
  are considered visiting both of their targets. Your choice of the house is not affected by
  Town Bus Drivers
  .
  You have to rest for 1 night between Killing Sprees if you managed to kill more than one player in a single Killing Spree.
• Nightkill immunity: You cannot be killed at night (except by
  Town Bodyguard
  ,
  Town Veteran
  or
  Arsonist
  ).

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the Town and Mafia and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Spoiler: Arsonist

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are an

Arsonist

.

Abilities:

• Douse: Each night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to douse with gasoline. Your target will not know about being doused. If you douse yourself through other roles' mechanics you will know that you are doused.
• Self-Undouse: Each night phase, you may PM me your own name instead of your target name if you want to undouse yourself.
• Burn: Each night phase, you may PM me that you will burn all the doused targets instead of dousing or undousing anyone this night. All the targets who were previously doused with gasoline and not undoused will be burned to death. Ignition ignores nightkill immunity and Doctors' protection.
• Nightkill immunity: You cannot be killed at night (except by
  Town Veteran
  ).

Win condition:

• You win when all members of the Town and Mafia and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Neutral Evil

Spoiler: Witch

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Witch

.

Abilities:

• Manipulate: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to manipulate and the name of the target you want this player to have. Your target will be forced to target the player you specify as the new target.
  Your target will not know that he was manipulated.
  You can make players target themselves.
  If you attempt to manipulate a
  Town Veteran
  who still has unused alerts you will force him to stay on alert this night and will be considered visiting him.
  
• You become a
  Witch Doctor
  when converted by the
  Cult
  .

Win condition:

• You win if you survive and the town loses the game.

Spoiler: Auditor

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are an

Auditor

.

Abilities:

• Audit: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to audit. If your target is a member of
  Mafia
  it will become a
  Mafioso
  . If your target is a member of
  Town
  it will become a
  Town Citizen
  . If your target is a neutral role it will become a
  Scumbag
  (a neutral role without abilities who's goal is to survive and see the town lose the game). If you target yourself through any of the other roles' mechanics, you will become a
  Stump
  (a townie without night abilities nor day vote).
  You cannot convert a member of the
  Cult
  .
  You cannot convert a player protected by the
  Town Bodyguard
  .
  You will know the exact role player got converted to if the conversion succeeds and you survive to the end of the night phase.

Win condition:

• You win if you survive and the town loses the game.

Spoiler: Judge

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Judge

.

Abilities:

• During the night you may anonymously speak with the entire town by sending me a PM containing the text you want to say. I will copy that text into the game thread as being said by the
  Town Crier
  .
• Court: During the day phase, you may PM me that you wish to call the Court. When the Court starts, I will lock the game thread and post information about the started Court.
  During the Court, players can post anything only by PMing me and sending the text they want to post. All the messages sent by you or
  Town Mayor
  are being shown as sent by the "Court". All the messages sent by other players are being shown as sent by the "Jury".
  All the votes during the Court are anonymous. Your vote counts for 3 during the Court.
  The Court ends when the day phase ends.
  You can call the Court only once during the game.

Win condition:

• You win if you survive and the town loses the game.

Spoiler: Cultist

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Cultist

{along with your partners,

PlayerName

and

PlayerName

}(optional).
{

PlayerName

is a

Witch Doctor

.}(optional)

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [Private topic link].
• Conversion: During the night phase you may PM me a name of the player you want to convert into the
  Cult
  member.
  You cannot convert members of
  Mafia
  or neutral killing roles.
  You cannot convert
  Town Mason
  or
  Town Mason Leader
  . If you attempt to they will discover who you are.
  You cannot convert players protected by the
  Town Doctor
  .
  The
  Cult
  is limited to the total of 4 members (both dead and alive).

Win condition:

• You win when there are only
  Cult
  members and those who win together with them left alive.

Spoiler: Witch Doctor

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Witch Doctor

{along with your partners,

PlayerName

and

PlayerName

}(optional).

Abilities:

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [Private topic link].
• Heal: During the night phase you may PM me a name of the player you want to protect. If you will save your target from death this night it will get converted into the
  Cultist
  . You can only protect your target from one attacker: if two different killing mechanics will affect your target and no other doctors will protect him he will still die. You cannot heal
  Town Mayor
  . If you're still alive at the end of the night you will receive the information on whether your target was attacked and/or converted this night in a clear and unambiguous way.
  You cannot convert members of
  Mafia
  or neutral killing roles.
  You cannot convert
  Town Mason
  or
  Town Mason Leader
  .
  You cannot convert players protected by the
  Town Doctor
  .
  The
  Cult
  is limited to the total of 4 members (both dead and alive).

Win condition:

• You win when there are only
  Cult
  members and those who win together with them left alive.

Neutral Benign

Spoiler: Survivor

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Survivor

.

Abilities:

• Bulletproof Vest: During the night phase you may PM me that you want to use your bulletproof vest. You are considered bulletproof and cannot be nightkilled during that night.
  You can use your bulletproof vest up to 3 times during the game.

Win condition:

• You win if you survive till the end of the game.

Spoiler: Jester

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are a

Jester

.

Abilities:

• If you are getting lynched during the day phase, random player of those who voted you will suicide during the next night phase.
• Annoy: During the night phase you may PM me that you want to annoy some player. You are considered visiting that player for that night phase. Target player will receive the following exact message: "You were annoyed by a Jester." via PM from me.

Win condition:

• You win if you die by being lynched during the day phase.

Spoiler: Lyncher

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are an

Lyncher

and your target is

PlayerName

.

Abilities:

• You are nightkill immune.
• If your target dies not by being lynched during the day phase you become a
  Jester
  .

Win condition:

• You win if you survive long enough to see your target lynched during the day phase.

Spoiler: Amnesiac

Welcome,

PlayerName

. You are an

Amnesiac

.

Abilities:

• During the night phase you may PM me the role name of any dead player. If you will survive till the end of the night your role will be changed to the one you chosen.
  It will be revealed to the town that
  Amnesiac
  remembered that role but your name will not be revealed.

Win condition:

• Survive until the end of the game. If you change your role your win condition will change accordingly.

[Netherspite]

Role PMs are sent out.

The game will start once I'll have 11 of 13 confirmations.

12/13 confirmed so far.

[Netherspite]

Day 1 has started!

VoteCount 1.0

Not Voting:

Runner, Delenn, Bins, Bellaphant, gummmybear, Davsto, Ankamius, Spiffeh, Heartless, Aristophanes, Shiro, hiplop, Jeanne11

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-21 21:36:54)

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VoteCount 1.1

bellaphant (1)

- hiplop

Davsto (2)

- Spiffeh, Shiro

gummmybear (1)

- Davsto

Shiro (1)

- Bellaphant

Heartless (2)

- Ankamius, Delenn

hiplop (1)

- Jeanne11

Jeanne11 (1)

- Aristophanes

Bins (1)

- Runner

Not Voting:

Bins, gummmybear, Heartless

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-21 21:36:54)

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Heartless publicly reveals himself as a

Town Marshall

!

Town may perform up to

3 lynches

today.
Lynches are performed

one by one

.
All the flips will happen at the

day end

.

[Netherspite]

gummmybear failed to pick up his role PM and seems to not be visiting the site anymore.
I'll start looking for a replacement.

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VoteCount 1.2

Davsto (1)

- Shiro

gummmybear (1)

- Davsto

Shiro (1)

- Bellaphant

Heartless (1)

- Ankamius

hiplop (1)

- Jeanne11

Bins (1)

- Runner

Delenn (2)

- Aristophanes, Spiffeh

Spiffeh (2)

- Delenn, hiplop

Not Voting:

Bins, gummmybear, Heartless

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-21 21:36:54)

Notes:

Town may perform up to 3 lynches today. More information

[Netherspite]

ika replaces gummmybear effective immediately.

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VoteCount 1.3

Shiro (3)

- Bellaphant, Heartless, Spiffeh

Heartless (1)

- Ankamius

hiplop (1)

- Jeanne11

Bins (1)

- Runner

Spiffeh (5)

- Delenn, hiplop, Shiro, Aristophanes, Davsto

Not Voting:

Bins, ika

With 13 players alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-21 21:36:54)

Notes:

Town may perform up to 3 lynches today. More information

I am sorry for the delay with the VC but I'm living in UTC+2 so that was sleeping time for me.

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@Nether,
With Marshall in play, when each player gets lynched, this means they are effectively removed from the game, but without a flip, untileither deadline or all three lynches are reached. Is this correct?

Correct.

is the executionrs target always town or can it be any alignment

It can be any alignment.

can amisiac take unique roles (ie mayor/marshall/witch doc)

Yes.

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hmmmm....

mod if an amesicac takes marshall can they activate the ability again and get 3 addiotnal lynches the next day?

if this is the case t should be a mass call toDay so we can work out claims and CC and then work form there outward we would have anough lynches (assuming we got a portective thats not rber) to clean the board

No, the Marshall ability may be activated only once per game regardless of whether there will be another Marshall or not.

Edit:

Added this clarification to the Marshall role PM in the OP.

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@Spiffeh

How would you like to be executed?

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VOTE: Spiffeh

thx guys

Nice jester fake but self-votes don't count on sc2.

Here they do.

[Netherspite]

@Delenn

Death from a grief can be stopped by a Doctor, a Kidnapper or a Jailor.

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VoteCount 1.4

Shiro (2)

- Bellaphant, Heartless

hiplop (2)

- Jeanne11, Ankamius

[LYNCH!]

Spiffeh (7)

- Delenn, hiplop, Shiro, Aristophanes, Davsto, Runner, Spiffeh

Not Voting:

Bins, ika

With 13 players alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-21 21:36:54)

Notes:

Town may perform up to 3 lynches today. More information

A lynch has been achieved.

By a special request of

Spiffeh

I allow him to have his special death scene written by

Titus

.

---

During the day, convinced Spiffeh is scum, Delenn blindfolds the Michelin man wannabe. She steals his soccer ball and replaces it with an IED. If he kicks it, he dies.

The group encourages him to kick it.

---

Spiffeh

has been lynched.
He was a

Jester

.

[Netherspite]

Mod: I thought Marshall flips all occurred at the end of the day....Thankful but...

That was a mod error. Other flips will wait until the end of the day.

[Netherspite]

VoteCount 1.5

Jeanne11 (1)

- Delenn

Not Voting:

Runner, Bins, Bellaphant, ika, Davsto, Ankamius, Heartless, Aristophanes, Shiro, hiplop, Jeanne11

With 12 players alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-21 21:36:54)

Notes:

Town may perform up to 2 more lynches today. More information

[Netherspite]

VoteCount 1.6

Shiro (2)

- Davsto, Heartless

hiplop (1)

- Ankamius

Davsto (1)

- Delenn

Not Voting:

Runner, Bins, Bellaphant, ika, Aristophanes, Shiro, hiplop, Jeanne11

With 12 players alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-21 21:36:54)

Notes:

Town may perform up to 2 more lynches today. More information

[Netherspite]

If this is anything like EM then we sooner or later have a cc

@Mod are roles unique or town random can be whatever?

There are few unique roles and it is clearly stated in these roles' PMs.
All the other roles are not unique.

[Netherspite]

the only unique roles in game are mayor/marshall (both can not exist), crier, witch doc, mason leader (one can exist at a time) godfather (consig can become 2nd godfather)

Crier is not unique.

[Netherspite]

Thread is locked for the special event.

[Netherspite]

The Judge has called a court.

The thread is locked until the end of the day phase.
To post something, you may send me a PM containing the text to say.
I will post it in the thread anonymously.
To vote you may send me a PM containing a request to do so.
All the votes are anonymous as well.
The town still may perform up to 2 lynches today.

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Court:

Court is now in Session...

Court:

SCUMS HEAR ME OUT. WE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTES. WE CAN LYNCH HEARTLESS WITH NOT ONLY MY POWER OF 3 VOTES, BUT THE POWER OF THE 3 MAFIA SCUM TEAM AND THE KILLING NEUTRAL VOTE WITH ME

Someone voted for

Heartless

.

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Jury:

I claim town escort.

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Jury:

I crumbed escort and I am. Why didn't you counterclaim that you were the real whore?

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Jury:

HEY GUYS, this is Bins proving that she's not the Judge so you don't die when the Judge tries to act like the crier. I should also try and work out the math here... shouldn't I? I actually don't think they have majority? I think they have enough to break even. 4 scum + 3 votes from the judge against us 7 town.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Claiming escorts means nothing since roles aren't unique

Someone voted for

Heartless

.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

She is falsely claiming my role, so she must be scum imho. Townies have no reason to fakeclaim.

Someone voted for

Delenn

.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

lmao

Jury:

Ika are you scum?

Court:

THE LYNCH NUMBER IS 7 THEREFORE WE CAN STRONGARM A LYNCH THROUGH.

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Jury:

jeez, i'm glad we quicklynched spiffeh. no harm done, right?

Jury:

i'm going to try to get tth on here before we're quicklynched.

Jury:

Are you not listening? Both of you can be escorts.

Jury:

Hi. You see, your time to CC was long past. I already proved myself as the escort.

Jury:

P.S. Random role generation is saving your ass right now.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

TOO ADD: Your friendly crier here. I think Jeanne/Titus should definitely be the lynch and if we get it wrong then yeah, okay, they can kill Heartless because they're physically capable too.

Jury:

Anyways, for the first time ever, I think I believe Jeanne.

Someone voted for

Deleen

.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

@Delenn Shall I prove that I actually am one?

[Netherspite]

Jury:

I think this is right, unfortunately.

Jury:

Judge, Judge, Judge, Scum, Scum, Scum, Neutral Killing

Jury:

That's 7 votes.

Jury:

Scum control both lynches left.

Court:

EVIL KILLING CLAIM YOUR ROLE! I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO PRIORITIZE YOUR ACTIONS!

Jury:

NEVERMIND. They can both me escorts. Back to page one. Both of them are probably not lying. Let's go! Choo choo!

Someone voted for

Davsto

.

Jury:

ok, it's going to be a race on who can quicklynch faster. townies should be voting someone other than us. and voting fast.

Someone voted for

Delenn

.

Someone voted for

Delenn

.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Post 15.

Jury:

Good night.

Jury:

*mic drop*

Jury:

It doesn't matter though as scum have to game throw to lynch you or me at this point.

Jury:

PEOPLE, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO SHOP AROUND. TITUS HAS A REASONABLY OK CHANCE OF BEING SCUM ANYWAY. VOTE HER OR SCUM ARE GOING TO LYNCH US.
IF WE MAKE IT TO THE NEXT ONE, LYNCH RUNNER.

Jury:

Jeanne stop desperate spamming.

Jury:

Vigilante here.

Someone voted for

Delenn

.

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Jury:

I can totally prove my role at night. When everybody is sleeping. When I should be sleeping. We must vanquish the evil guys, right? :v

Court:

MAFIA IF YOU GUYS ARE NOT BEING VOTED UP AND SOMEONE ELSE IS VOTE THEM TOO!

Someone voted for

Heartless

.

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Jury:

if you're just now joining us, if you're town vote delenn. the judge called a court and so scum have enough votes to lynch us (the marshall). this is going to be a question of who's quicker on the draw. neutral killing, i'll go ahead and point out that you don't really have any incentive to vote us over delenn

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Jury:

Anyway, I am off to do things. Things that involve noodles. I will then sit back and enjoy you going at each other's throats, like for real. Anyone have some popcorn?

Jury:

ika's the judge.

Court:

LIES AND SLANDER! KILL HEARTLESS WHILE WE STILL HAVE TIME WE CAN GET SOMEONE ELSE AFTER THIS!

Jury:

the fact we're STILL getting voted up against delenn proves they're scum. this is as good as a cop guilty. plz lynch.

Jury:

If the nk thinks I am scum, he should vote you.

Jury:

I am likely vigged if he doesn't vote to ml me.

Jury:

Scum have zero incentive to vote me.

Jury:

You want me dead? Argue I am town.

Jury:

Wait a second, since the whole Judge thing lasts until the end of the day, does that mean we have to go through two lynches like this because of the whole Marshall thing?

Jury:

Because if so, us town should really get an idea of who to go for after Delenn, to prevent scum from quicklynching Heartless again.

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Jury:

Jury who said wait a second is scum. Scum cannot quick lynch after my lynch if I was scum.

Jury:

Just sayin'.

Jury:

Heartless (anti?) wants Runner's head after Delenn, so we should lynch him next.

Jury:

I hope the Neutral Killing role realizes that sending all three mafia into the night isn't a good thing for him/her.

Jury:

P.S: You were willing to throw me under the bus the last game we were in just so you can get ahead. Well, now I am throwing you under the bus so that I can get ahead. Bye now.

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Jury:

Heartless is the lynch or you have to pick someone else.

Jury:

You'd need me to self vote to lynch me as scum have zero incentive to vote me. That or one game throws.

Jury:

I've got work to do.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

I hate Titus, so she's town. Scum is lurking.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

I'm pretty sure Delenn is basically confirmed scum right now. If they were town, they would have been hammered by scum by now.

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Jury:

Now isn't that what you want...

Jury:

Scum have zero interest in lynching me when they can safely lynch conftown.

Jury:

Whoever town wagons is a mislynch/vig.

Jury:

Why would scum vote anyone but Heartless here? You don't answer that. You can't because I am right. I am a walking shield from any vig kill.

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Jury:

Not voting Delenn. I believe her.

Jury:

Hello everyone, this is TTH here to restore order. First of all, stop freaking out. We're not getting lynched if the neutral killer is smart. He has no reason to vote with the mafia here. In fact, he's likely going to be in a very bad position if he does. With the Jester grief kill and the claimed killing roles in the Jailor and Vigilante, there's a chance the neutral killer could lose outright on Night 1 if he helps scum railroad us. Even if the game goes to Day 2, the scum team effectively has an extra member in the Judge so Day 2 will be likely be a LYLO / MYLO situation. That is... if the neutral killer even makes it past today (remember, scum don't need his help to secure the third lynch). In short, the third party killer needs a scum lynch on Day 1 as much as we do. If everyone keeps their wits about them, we can still salvage this day.

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Jury:

The best play for the neutral killer is to vote you Heartless. Then to no lynch at all.

Jury:

There would have to be game throwing for town to be near lylo.

Jury:

You're trying to scare a neutral killer to get the mislynch you want.

Jury:

~Delenn

[Netherspite]

Court:

NEUTRAL KILLING CLAIM YOUR ROLE. I CAN COORDINATE YOUR ACTIONS TO HELP YOU IF YOU HELP US LYNCH HEARTLESS.

Jury:

This Delenn wagon is crap. Why don't you want to wagon someone else TTH? Order isn't just what you want.

Jury:

With the anonymous posting and voting, we don't really have much room for Devil's advocate here. It's important to find a lynch we can rally around. If you have any serious misgivings about it, it's crucial you articulate it clearly because otherwise you're just tying town's arms together.

Jury:

I'm not sure if Antihero's right about Titus but I do think he's right about Runner. Post 146 was a non-stance on the massclaim issue and the jump onto Spiffeh in Post 148 is underwhelming to say the least. Is this something everyone could get behind? -TTH

Jury:

Titus, can I ask you what the fuck you're doing besides being spiteful? The neutral killer isn't going to be able to force a no lynch because the threshold is going to go down by one.

Jury:

Stop it. -TTH

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Court:

NEUTRAL CLAIM ROLE!

Court:

WE NEED TO REACH A LYNCH!

Jury:

TTH, How can I put forth another candidate? I have put forth other people and you ignore me to shout off vitriol about how I am confscum because scum want to use me for a meat shield and I disagreed with you.

Jury:

I have suggested Dave because of his contradiction regarding the jester lynch. You ignored it. I could get behind that but right now I am voting no one.

Jury:

Lynching Runner I would also be down with.

Jury:

Nice to see you at least coming to the table to talk.

Jury:

Okay here's why Titus is scum: if she were Town then scum would've figured that lynching her now will mean that they can lynch Heartless unresisted next phase, since they then have majority without the town resistance. You guys got it?

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Or they could still lynch Heartless and have a vig shield.

Jury:

For the love of god Anti, your way isn't the only way.

Jury:

As a sign of good faith, I'm switching our vote over to Runner, Titus. If you're town and you really think it is preferable to just let us die than vote Runner, then I ask you don't sign up for any more games with me (because apparently that's how little you think of me).

Jury:

I'm actually with Anti that ika is likely the judge here. I would have to think that ika, as town, would be pitching an absolute hissy fit about now. Also, no one's shown up with ika's posting style outside the all caps poster. -TTH

Someone voted for

Runner

.

Jury:

TTH, suppose I am not lynched. What do you think will happen?

Jury:

I will be targeted by every known killer in the game, town and scum alike. So by lynching me, scum are done a disservice because they have to worry about that. Scum are never voting me and you know it.

[Netherspite]

Someone voted for

Runner

.

Jury:

Good faith showing.

Jury:

@Titus: I'm very unsure about Davsto right now. Antihero seems to think he's town but there's a couple things I don't care for: the Spiffeh vote and the rough transition onto Shiro. I think he very well could be scum but I think Runner is a higher probability play for now. -TTH

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Ika could be the judge. I am rather confused there.

Jury:

On one hand, ika produced content which he hasn't done in the past few games as scum. On the other hand, the judge isn't raging to vote me which is an ika requirement.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

So killing roles will target protective roles? Then I'd better disappear.

Jury:

Anti hasn't been posting, Titus. I know he's busy doing something else. Please shut up and listen for a second.

Jury:

I'm very well aware that scum aren't going to bus. That's why I'm trying to find common ground. Another thing we could do that would give us a lot more breathing room for the third lynch is to judge hunt. What's your current opinion of who that is? -TTH

Jury:

I am using my action on ika as soon as the night arrives.

Jury:

If we think ika is the Judge, isn't he the best choice for today? Since this will last the rest of the Day - including the next lynch - it's probably clever to get him out of the way so that we can properly vote the next, without scum having the Judge giving an extra three votes and the ability to vote anonymously.

Someone

unvoted

.

Someone voted for

Delenn

.

Someone voted for

Runner

.

Jury:

Regarding ika: He's recently been subverting his lurking scum meta. Here, he wouldn't even be "scum" per se. Technically he'd be a third party, anti-town survivor that could win with the mafia or neutral killer. I also think ika is very strategic and would play to his win condition regardless of if that meant voting you or not. Right now, the Judge is very much playing to his win condition.

Jury:

Really, the fact that no one on the jury has shown up with his writing style and the court's is very much his writing style is making me very confident that ika is the judge.

Jury:

Should we test if ika is the judge?

Jury:

Someone "Jury" with ika's posting style should show up if we wagon ika?

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Ok. Let's wagon ika and get back to normal voting.

Someone voted for

ika

.

[Netherspite]

Someone voted for

Heartless

.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

I am up for that.

Someone voted for

ika

.

Someone voted for

ika

.

Jury:

326 was me. Sorry forgot to sign.

Jury:

~Delenn

Someone voted for

Heartless

.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

So what have I missed what are we doing ?

Jury:

Jury:

This remind me of Lightkeeper in EM and it is really fun to watch the chaos xD. Poor Nether though

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Something hinky is going on here. I think scum were stupid and trying to lynch me.

Jury:

Mod: Can we get a nameless vote count?

Jury:

~Delenn.

There won't be any vote counts until the lynch will be achieved because in forum version this will provide too much information to the town.

Jury:

We're lynching ika because he's the judge.

Jury:

~Delenn

Jury:

Noodles! I love noodles! I devour noodles!

Jury:

Jury:

Noodles go well with squid meat. Guess what you get when you translate 'squid' into Japanese?

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Oh, and if I find out you were stringing us along the whole time, you are up next, Delenn. *wags finger at Delenn* - Sonya

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Huh? Who is Sonya? I already have to deal with VCA being ruined, the last thing I need is this shit.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Am I the only one not fully trusting this ~sign bussiness ?

Jury:

Anyone can sign as anybody to be honest

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Sonya is me. In order to avoid us being targeted, that's all info you will get.

[Netherspite]

There will be a delay before next messages will be posted since your Mod will have to sleep
Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Netherspite]

Someone voted for

ika

.

Someone voted for

Runner

.

Someone voted for

Heartless

.

Jury:

Holy crap, what is going on!?

Jury:

Do we seriously have to make two lynches this way?

Jury:

Why don't we all name a player or two we think is scum and vote whichever gets the majority, that way we can keep track of this shit.

Jury:

Klingon will be doing most of our posting at this point because I am vla with the flu tomorrow. I will be watching occasionally.

Jury:

~Titus

[Netherspite]

Jury:

We don't have to make two lynches this way if we get ika - the Judge - lynched, I think. Or at least, we won't have to put up with a triple-powered scum-motivated vote. Hence, town really need ika dead, for our own good.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

why arey ou voting for me you pepple have no idea the rage i'm feeling now. dont listen to scum.

Court:

MAFIA VOTE RUNNER OR NO?

[Netherspite]

Court:

VOTE WITH ME SCUMS! WE SHALL RULE!

[Netherspite]

Someone voted for

Heartless

.

[Netherspite]

Someone voted for

Heartless

.

Jury:

^ lynch this with ika.

[Netherspite]

Someone voted for

ika

.

Someone voted for

ika

.

Someone voted for

Heartless

.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Why does everyone vote for Ika and Heartless? Where's that davsto wagon?

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Sonya is baaacckkkk! You missed me?

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Hi guys, thought I'd drop by to see what's go- DAFUQ IS THIS!? ~mith

Someone voted for

Heartless

.

Jury:

TTH here. Due to the chaos, we might want to NL out both lynches?

[Netherspite]

VoteCount 1.7

Heartless (7)

Delenn (1)

Runner (1)

ika (3)

Not Voting:

2

With 12 players alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-21 21:36:54)

Notes:

Town may perform up to 2 more lynches today. More information
A

Court

is active. All the posts and votes are anonymous.

Judge

's vote is counted for 3. More information

[Netherspite]

A lynch has been achieved.

Heartless

, you may PM me how would you like to be executed.

[Netherspite]

Heartless

's last words:

the 3p killer is dumb. i look forward to mafia planting a knife square in his back. i hope they lynch him next; i would laugh my ass off. i bet it's someone we were onto like shiro or some shit. whatever.
titus, you also played a pretty big part in this disaster because you couldn't let go of your fucking ego. so... yeah, we appreciate that you did everything in your power to get the 3p to vote us even though we were confirmed town. you better be scum, because if you're not consider yourself blacklisted for me (tth can do what she wants).
and yeah... i think runner's a good bet for scum (for the nightkillers out there). we'd really just be guessing at everyone else.

-antihero

[Netherspite]

Hours had passed, but the day still had life left. However, the silent deed had been given to everyone on their first course of action to preserve their own life, and that had been to end the silence. Awkward stares were casted upon that one guy, which stood in the corner, who had partaken into no conversation, or at least… not any fruitful one. Agitated citizens plotted for the best course of action to deal with such anti-social behavior. But it never mattered due to how this person’s love of bananas… and love of throwing the banana peels everywhere, led to his own downfall. Near the stroke of noon, the man had fallen, but all wasn’t through yet; for that the blacksmiths anvil from above him hadn’t have fallen…. Until some <censored> dropped it.

And as the last bits of life drained from the man’s body, his blood stained the sidewalk. Some people gasped in horror, some had seen an unwanted image, but it was all clear that this freak accident may have been for the best.

Heartless

– died from banana peels and fallen anvils.

[Netherspite]

VoteCount 1.8

Not Voting:

11

With 11 players alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-21 21:36:54)

Notes:

Town may perform up to 1 more lynch today. More information
A

Court

is active. All the posts and votes are anonymous.

Judge

's vote is counted for 3. More information

[Netherspite]

Someone voted for

Bins

.

Jury:

Judgey do we vote ikey or runny now

Someone voted for

Ankamius

.

Court:

TO THE NEXT SCUM MY ALLIES

Court:

NEUTRAL KILLING CLAIM SO TONIGHT I CAN HELP YOU. SCUMS CLAIM I CAN WORK OUT ACTION TO OPTIMIZE US

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Jury:

They're probably gonna pile on me (Bins) now because I'm the next confirmable. So... pick who we rush?

[Netherspite]

Someone voted for

Ankamius

.

Someone voted for

Ankamius

.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Curious as to the rush of Ank votes. Is this a town-motivated or scum-motivated rush and, either way, why him?

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Yeh, looks like Ank is scum-motivated, considering the Vigilante claim.

Jury:

See, this is why I said we should have planned who we went for next.

Someone voted for

Runner

.

Someone voted for

Ankamius

.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

THAKNS FOR REMEINDING ME THAT IM PATETIC AND DUMB. I WORK AND COME BACK TO THIS. FUCK YOU ALL.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Whoever the third party killing role is, you are literally the worst. Unless you already have a good idea who the scumteam is, you're losing yourself the game by going this route. If you want to win in any way whatsoever, you will work with town to eliminate the scumteam, because you have to be aware that ika doesn't actually give a fuck about you; he just needed your vote now so he could win with the scumteam. You fucked up big time and I hope you have a plan to fix this, because otherwise you just lost both yourself and town the game.

Jury:

-Ank

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Popping in real quick but I am not sure the judge is ika. 356 looks like ika talking. Maybe that's my flu though. Who should we be lynching? If you're sure ika's the judge, where is your ika vote?

Jury:

~Delenn

[Netherspite]

Jury:

I'm willing to bet that "ika-looking" post was scum faking it to avoid an ika. The reason we're not voting ika now anyway is because it's more important to get Mafia/Killing Neutral out of the way than it is to get a Judge killed, since the Maf/Neut have night actions while the Judge will be powerless after today. Us town are going for Runner but I highly doubt we'll manage it before scum get their way with Ank.

[Netherspite]

Jury:

Don't hunt for the neutral killing role under any circumstances. Whoever that slot is HAS to work with town after tonight. After I'm dead, that slot will be scum's and judge's biggest threat.

Jury:

RE: Why I'm not voting ika: It's pointless, but I'll play along just in case.

Jury:

-Ank

Someone voted for

ika

.

Someone voted for

Ankamius

.

[Netherspite]

VoteCount 1.9

Ankamius (6)

Runner (1)

ika (1)

Not Voting:

5

With 11 players alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-21 21:36:54)

Notes:

Town may perform up to 1 more lynch today. More information
A

Court

is active. All the posts and votes are anonymous.

Judge

's vote is counted for 3. More information

[Netherspite]

Ankamius

, you may PM me how would you like to be executed and your last words.

[Netherspite]

Ankamius

's last words:

Mass Murderer needs to claim and work with town to start PoEing the scum. Other 3rd Party Killing needs to work with town without claiming. Don't let ika live to endgame under any circumstances. Finish massclaim tomorrow and come up with conclusions yourself; DO NOT let ika do the analysis alone. Lynch the jailer if they execute anyone.

My reads are pretty obvious. This is fully salvageable as long as town don't do any really stupid moves and think before voting.

[Netherspite]

Consumed by great distraught, over having been a primary witness of the previous death, another citizen felt it’d be best for their mental state to indulge in fine desserts. Having been to the bakery for many times over, they ordered a bunch of cakes, cookies, and sweets, and as hours passed, their mind crumbled over the fixation of the death. The citizen began their consumption of confetti, and gorged on even the smallest of delights to find relief. As other passerby became worried for this person, they slowly understand that it may have been best to just let them go. When night began to fall, the citizen had bitten into a grand-sized cake, laced with the most sincere vanilla cream…. and a bomb on the inside. Out of nowhere, the citizen exploded out of confetti, and vanilla frosting, blood and confetti decorated the very walls of the bakery, and around a ten foot radius of the town itself.

Horror gripped some people as they screamed, but others sat there, with a grin on their face… and others, with almost an ecstatic look. For that the overindulgence of the citizen had been thought to have masked other darker tendencies… And as the town crowded over the two dead bodies that lied there from the unfortunate events that had occurred that day… It became more clear of who had truly been who.

Ankamius

– had exploded into confetti.

[Netherspite]

Day 1

ends.

Spiffeh

has been lynched

Day 1

. He was a

Jester

.

Heartless

has been lynched

Day 1

. He was a

Town Marshall

.

Ankamius

has been lynched

Day 1

. He was a

Town Vigilante

.

Night 1

begins now and ends in

(expired on 2015-10-12 19:15:00)

. Submit your night actions before then.

[Netherspite]

Town Crier:

Hey everyone bins here. Sucks we had that but we can still do it!

Town Crier:

TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL! YOU SHALL ALL BE JUDGED WITH DEATH!

[Netherspite]

Town Crier:

OKAY, so. This is ACTUALLY Bins. Doesn't matter anyways. It does suck that that happened. Anyways, I think we should straight up lynch anyone who hasn't claimed. I'm probably gonna die. Let's note here that Ika hasn't claimed at all as well. But, anyways, I don't think Titus and Jeanne would have reason to lie or fake claim that early. Pretty much anyone else but Shiro... and we'll probably hit scum.

[Netherspite]

Town Crier:

This is hiplop, and I am mad that stupid spiffeh was a jester i guess he was super obviously scum. ugh. Im sorry

Town Crier:

bins stop stealing my job

[Netherspite]

Town Crier:

i agree, though.

Town Crier:

lynching unclaimed is the way to go

[Netherspite]

Town Crier:

How about we don't lynch me tommorow?

[Netherspite]

Town Crier:

TBH depending how night goes will really decide if we can sort criers tomorrow or if we need to hit mafia/neutral

Town Crier:

-ika

Town Crier:

I have more to say but I have been busy with work

[Netherspite]

One of us did not survive the night.

We found

Aristophanes

dead in his home last night.
He apparently shot himself. His suicide note expressed grief and guilt over the Jester's death.

He was an

Arsonist

.

Day 2 has started!

VoteCount 2.0

Not Voting:

Runner, Delenn, Bins, Bellaphant, ika, Davsto, Shiro, hiplop, Jeanne11

With 9 alive it takes

5

players to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-26 19:20:00)

[Netherspite]

VoteCount 2.1

Davsto (3)

- Delenn, Jeanne11, Shiro

Not Voting:

Runner, Bins, Bellaphant, ika, Davsto, hiplop

With 9 alive it takes

5

players to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-26 19:20:00)

[Netherspite]

Mod: Can escorts/consorts block each other?

Yes.

@Mod the target is only notified if the action goes through, right?

The target is always notified of roleblock if the roleblock got through (even if it had no abilities to block).

[Netherspite]

Mod:Can a jailor execute a godfather?

Yes.

[Netherspite]

Judge can win alone if he is the only player alive or if there is 1v1 with Jester / Executioner / Amnesiac / Survivor or any townie except for Town Citizen.

[Netherspite]

VoteCount 2.2

Davsto (3)

- Delenn, Shiro, Jeanne11

Bellaphant (1)

- Davsto

Not Voting:

Runner, Bins, Bellaphant, ika, hiplop

With 9 alive it takes

5

players to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-26 19:20:00)

[Netherspite]

Honestly I'm gonna fuck up cause I don't know what the roles do well enough

If you need any clarifications for how the roles work feel free to ask.

[Netherspite]

VoteCount 2.3

[LYNCH!]

Davsto (5)

- Delenn, Shiro, Jeanne11, ika, Bellaphant

Bellaphant (1)

- Davsto

Not Voting:

Runner, Bins, hiplop

With 9 alive it takes

5

players to lynch.

The deadline is in

(expired on 2015-10-26 19:20:00)

[Netherspite]

Davsto, you can PM me with the way you would like to be executed and your last words.

[Netherspite]

Dave announces he has a guilty on Shiro. Klingonhead whispers, "We might lose Shiro" to Titus.

"Not so fast", Titus says as she pulls out a spacetime continnum device. "With this, we can go back in time and frame all Shiro's actions as town. I will need your help. If we convince the town to activate the device we win."

One by one, Jeanne, Bella, Shiro, ika, and Delenn place their hands on the space time continnuum device. The narrative is written, Shiro stopped the nightkill so she's confirmed town. Never mind that Spiffeh jesterman. He never existed but as a happy suicidal man. The record has been wiped clean of any Arsonist threats. Fiction is fact; fact is fiction when the space time continuum breaks.

Right after the device is pushed, Shiro pulls Jeanne aside. "Before nightfall, I want to discuss how to eliminate Delenn scum. Come with me." Jeanne walks with Shiro. "Can you grab my keys, I left them in the garage." Jeanne thought this was odd but complied, after all Shiro was confirmed town. It wasn't until the carbon monoxide began filling up the room that Jeanne questioned Shiro being town.

Runner sits on the grassy knoll, waiting for Bella. She had her binoculars ready to follow Delenn or Jeanne, but she would never get the chance to. Runner is extremely fast and deadly with blades. He'd hide all evidence against himself once he knew those coppers were coming. Runner stabs Bellaphant in the head and leaves before anyone sees.


At daybreak, the town gathers. Only the scums, criers and judge remain.

Ika has shown up in his best evil Parker costume. Delenn nods. "We sure worked well together." Ika chuckles. Delenn has a laugh too. "For once in 3 years, we figured out we were on the same side."

Bins and Hiplop look at each other after they realize Runner is still alive. They know what is coming....

---

Davsto

has been lynched

Day 2

. He was a

Town Sheriff

.

Game ended in a

Mafia

,

Judge

and

Jester

Victory

.

Congratulations to

Runner

,

Delenn

,

Spiffeh

,

ika

,

Shiro

.

Dead PT:

here.

Mafia PT:

here.

Night Actions and Results:

here.

Thanks to everyone for participation and sorry for the modding quality (that mod error with the Jester was awful + huge delays with votecounts sometimes).

[Netherspite]

What I learned from this game is that scum can actually fuck up and you shouldn't consider "they wouldn't do it" argument as 100% true.
Shiro became conftown due to jailing GF and the rest of the 'analysis' that made the town scummy was based by Titus on him being conftown.
Well played Titus!

[Netherspite]

@Spiffeh

Sorry, I'll fix that asap.

---

By the way, I'll be running another game of the same setup.
Due to randomness of the setup every game is very different from one another.
If anyone would like to play it you can PM me a pre-in.

[Netherspite]

I am really surprised no one noticed that

Runner

didn't claim being attacked at night and thus the whole theory of him being the victim breaks.
He was an obv-Godfather. His lynch would give the town chance to win.

Meh, it was just in general. Don't feel bad. I can get emotional pretty easy at stupid things, plus I've had a mediocre past few days in MeatWorld on top of it.

You did fine, you just shouldn't assume someone conftown just because someone said it.
Try questioning everything people say.

[Netherspite]

Mod: How close was I to being lynched at 318?

Actually you were pretty close iirc. Like L-2 or so.
I didn't write down the votecounts after every vote but I'll list the owners of every vote later.

[Netherspite]

It seems I made another Mod error and didn't really notify

ika

about him being roleblocked.
I was sure I did.
Sorry.

I'll definitely double check stuff next time I mod this.
Also I'll release the scum PT, thanks

Shiro

and

Titus

.

I will post all the Court messages and votes with their authors tomorrow.

[Netherspite]

Mafia PT: here

[Netherspite]

@Shiro

By the way, you wondered why the jail PT is called "Jail 1".
It was named like that because there could be more regardless of whether you're the only Jailor/Kidnapper in the game or not. You could make another jailing tomorrow.
However, I believe that I should give them random numbers (131-871-234) rather than 1-2-3 to avoid any extra information based on the numbers of consecutive jail PTs.

[Netherspite]

And I will soon host my own first game too, then when that is done, I'll be able to achieve my true goal of hosting Detective Conan mini and then large, which is why I joined in the first place.

gl on getting there
Modding is fun.

[Netherspite]

Thanks for the game Netherspite! ^_^

(By the way, love Adventure Time and your avi.)

I find you acceptable!

Thanks for playing! Hope to see you in my next games

[Netherspite]

When you're complaining about lack of balance in a game with Role-Madness kinda roles randomly generated in all sorts of possibilities, you're doing something wrong.

I disagree. I don't think role madness has to mean unbalanced or unfair.

I like the roles for this game, but maybe there could be some sort of "balancing system" like C9++ and JK9++ have.

Actually the setup is balanced

if

we consider statistically significant games count.
A single game can be extremely unbalanced but after say 1000 games I bet the chances of mafia & town win would be pretty much equal.
It is disadvantage of being so random.
However it has an advantage as well - every game is different despite having the same setup.
There can be really funny and unexpected role combinations and they may affect each other in unusual ways.

[Netherspite]

I think the mafia were significantly overpowered in this particular setup. They had an extra kill with the kidnapper, an extra member in the judge, and a way to hijack one of the town's lynches.

I think if there ends up being a judge, scum should get significantly less power or town should get significantly more.

In original setup at sc2mafia Jailor/Kidnapper can't jail/kidnap if there was a lynch.
However, MS meta is to never go for a no-lynch so this will just render these roles VT.
I think, the lynch should make them not be able to execute someone while still able to jail.

===

Judge is overpowered only if there is mass execution in action.
Also I think mass execution should reduce the day deadline. May be the Court should do so as well.

[Netherspite]

@Antihero

The problem is the Scum does not know who is the Judge.
And Judge does not know who is the Scum either.
The skills of determining each other is the key to playing Judge to its full power.
Putting Judge into the Scum actually empowers him rather than weakens.

Probably the increased vote power should be reduced to balance this role.

[Netherspite]

is there a statistic for how often town wins when there's a judge in the setup from your homesite?

Judges lose a lot.
Most of the time they are not even get to use the Court.
Or use it but at wrong time and gain no advantage for the scum because the lynch is used on scum/neutral benign.
Alternatively people can just go for no-lynch when they see the Court.
Many things happen.
What happened in this game happens roughly 5-10% of time when Judge is generated in the setup.

[Netherspite]

you're already chopping town off at the knees by fucking the posting and voting mechanic.

This is more about individual skills of town, scum and judge.
If you have poor scum and poor judge they won't use all of this posting and voting mechanic to its advantage.
If you have poor town they will just do what judge says and will be doomed.

Also I think I should rather post some vote counts during the Court.

[Netherspite]

@Antihero

The problem is the Scum does not know who is the Judge.
And Judge does not know who is the Scum either.
The skills of determining each other is the key to playing Judge to its full power.
Putting Judge into the Scum actually empowers him rather than weakens.

judge doesn't have to know who the scum are he just has to be cognizant of the numbers.
scum accidentally bussing the judge isn't going to happen often so relying on that to balance things out... isn't going to balance things out.

They can NK him without knowing who he is.
Judge can push scum at the Court without knowing who they are.

===

In this specific game it was about the players who left for the town and for the scum.
If you would draw another role and be still alive at Day 2 you would nail the scum easily.

[Netherspite]

if a judge can manage to call court and get lynched, he called court at the wrong time

That's the point.
You need to know the 'right time'.
You need to NOT accidentally lynch the scum or get lynched yourself during the Court.
You need to convince town to vote with 'Court' who is known to most likely be Judge who is playing against them.
That's too much 'if' for the role to be overpowered.
You need skills to play it right.
You can't yolo win if you are poor player.

[Netherspite]

The changes I'll definitely be making to the Judge for the next games:
- reduce its vote power to 2;
- place periodical votecounts during the court;
- place a 24 hour deadline when court activates.

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you don't make your roles op'd with the assumption that your players are incompetent...

/sigh

The point is not that Judge is balanced only when he's not smart.
The point is it depends on skill of every player rather than on 'if scum has a judge, it autowins'.

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In sc2mafia there is also another mechanic:
first day is lynchless and has significantly reduced length.
This may as well be improving balance for Judge and other neutral roles.

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@Antihero

Anyway, thanks for the feedback, I'll keep thinking about this role and the balance.
My goal is to get something balanced without having to exclude the role completely because in that case Marshall & Crier will have to be excluded as well.

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the game is made ofr a 30 mins of entertainment.

...and, with this, i think we come to the root of the issue.

if you're doing this over the span of a marathon game, everyone's on anyway so that really nerfs the court because it puts town on even ground in terms of the "who's on" game.

the court, on a fundamental level, really fucks with the "low and slow" game style on MS that emphasizes day play.

Correct.
Still, I like the fusion between the fast-paced sc2mafia and slow-paced forum games.
I'd like to play it myself but no1 will mod it.
So at least I want to mod it and watch the game.
It'll take several iterations to get it really balanced but it's still certainly fun for many players like me.
Some may dislike it though.

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@Antihero

Anyway, thanks for the feedback, I'll keep thinking about this role and the balance.
My goal is to get something balanced without having to exclude the role completely because in that case Marshall & Crier will have to be excluded as well.

again, i don't think the marshall role is something that needs a counter. it's not a broken role. even when there's a triple lynch, there's no guarantee any of those lynches will be any good. scum can simply counter it with solid day play.

As can any day lynch be countered but it not always is.
That's why on MS people never skip the lynches. Because it's the main way of getting rid of the scum.
One more lynch is one more chance to hit the scum. Terrible town will still lose but good town will clearly have an advantage of it.

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pedit ill mod a large of this one day jsut so it can be hilariosu fun

I'll apply for modding a large game of this setup after participating in your large theme to fulfill the requirements.
Will be happy to have you as back up or co-op mod

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maybe turn it down to a double lynch.

That makes me thinking of another variant:

1. Nerf Marshall to 2 lynches.
2. Nerf Judge to be limited to 1 lynch regardless of the active Marshall.
3. Other nerfs to Judge mentioned above.

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pedit ill mod a large of this one day jsut so it can be hilariosu fun

I'll apply for modding a large game of this setup after participating in your large theme to fulfill the requirements.
Will be happy to have you as back up or co-op mod

find ppl for me then as well!

I was never good at it
I'm filling a spot myself.

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Transcript of the Court

Court (ika):

SCUMS HEAR ME OUT. WE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTES. WE CAN LYNCH HEARTLESS WITH NOT ONLY MY POWER OF 3 VOTES, BUT THE POWER OF THE 3 MAFIA SCUM TEAM AND THE KILLING NEUTRAL VOTE WITH ME

Court (ika)

voted for

Heartless

.

Jury (Jeanne11

: I claim town escort.

Court (ika):

Court is now in Session...

Court (ika):

SCUMS HEAR ME OUT, WE HAVE CONTROL OF THE VOTE RIGHT NOW WE CAN GET RID OF HEARTLESS ON OUR FIRST LYNCH. I HAVE THE POWER OF 3 VOTES. THE MAFIA TEAM HAS THE POWER OF 3 VOTES. THE KILLING NEUTRAL HAS OUR FINAL VOTE ELIMINATE THEM

Jury (Delenn):

I crumbed escort and I am. Why didn't you counterclaim that you were the real whore?

Jury (Bins):

HEY GUYS, this is Bins proving that she's not the Judge so you don't die when the Judge tries to act like the crier. I should also try and work out the math here... shouldn't I? I actually don't think they have majority? I think they have enough to break even. 4 scum + 3 votes from the judge against us 7 town.

Jury (Shiro):

Claiming escorts means nothing since roles aren't unique

Jury (Delenn)

voted for

Heartless

.

Jury (Jeanne11)

voted for

Delenn

.

Jury (Jeanne11):

She is falsely claiming my role, so she must be scum imho. Townies have no reason to fakeclaim.

Jury (Ankamius):

lmao

Jury (Ankamius):

Ika are you scum?

Court (ika):

THE LYNCH NUMBER IS 7 THEREFORE WE CAN STRONGARM A LYNCH THROUGH.

Jury (Heartless):

jeez, i'm glad we quicklynched spiffeh. no harm done, right?

Jury (Heartless):

i'm going to try to get tth on here before we're quicklynched.

Jury (Shiro):

Are you not listening? Both of you can be escorts.

Jury (Delenn):

Hi. You see, your time to CC was long past. I already proved myself as the escort.

Jury (Delenn):

P.S. Random role generation is saving your ass right now.

Jury (Bins):

Your friendly crier here. I think Jeanne/Titus should definitely be the lynch and if we get it wrong then yeah, okay, they can kill Heartless because they're physically capable too.

Jury (Bins):

Anyways, for the first time ever, I think I believe Jeanne.

Jury (Bins)

voted for

Delenn

.

Jury (Jeanne11):

@Delenn Shall I prove that I actually am one?

Jury (Delenn):

I think this is right, unfortunately.

Jury (Delenn):

Judge, Judge, Judge, Scum, Scum, Scum, Neutral Killing

Jury (Delenn):

That's 7 votes.

Jury (Delenn):

Scum control both lynches left.

Court (ika):

EVIL KILLING CLAIM YOUR ROLE! I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO PRIORITIZE YOUR ACTIONS!

Jury (Bins):

NEVERMIND. They can both me escorts. Back to page one. Both of them are probably not lying. Let's go! Choo choo!

Jury (Bins)

voted for

Davsto

.

Jury (Heartless):

ok, it's going to be a race on who can quicklynch faster. townies should be voting someone other than us. and voting fast.

Jury (Heartless)

voted for

Delenn

.

Jury (Davsto)

voted for

Delenn

.

Jury (Delenn):

Post 15.

Jury (Delenn):

Good night.

Jury (Delenn):

*mic drop*

Jury (Delenn):

It doesn't matter though as scum have to game throw to lynch you or me at this point.

Jury (Heartless):

PEOPLE, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO SHOP AROUND. TITUS HAS A REASONABLY OK CHANCE OF BEING SCUM ANYWAY. VOTE HER OR SCUM ARE GOING TO LYNCH US.
IF WE MAKE IT TO THE NEXT ONE, LYNCH RUNNER.

Jury (Delenn):

Jeanne stop desperate spamming.

Jury (Ankamius):

Vigilante here.

Jury (Ankamius)

voted for

Delenn

.

Jury (Jeanne11):

I can totally prove my role at night. When everybody is sleeping. When I should be sleeping. We must vanquish the evil guys, right? :v

Court (ika):

MAFIA IF YOU GUYS ARE NOT BEING VOTED UP AND SOMEONE ELSE IS VOTE THEM TOO!

Jury (Shiro)

voted for

Heartless

.

Jury (Heartless):

if you're just now joining us, if you're town vote delenn. the judge called a court and so scum have enough votes to lynch us (the marshall). this is going to be a question of who's quicker on the draw. neutral killing, i'll go ahead and point out that you don't really have any incentive to vote us over delenn

Jury (Davsto):

Wait a second, since the whole Judge thing lasts until the end of the day, does that mean we have to go through two lynches like this because of the whole Marshall thing?

Jury (Jeanne11):

Anyway, I am off to do things. Things that involve noodles. I will then sit back and enjoy you going at each other's throats, like for real. Anyone have some popcorn?

Jury (Heartless):

ika's the judge.

Court (ika):

LIES AND SLANDER! KILL HEARTLESS WHILE WE STILL HAVE TIME WE CAN GET SOMEONE ELSE AFTER THIS!

Jury (Heartless):

the fact we're STILL getting voted up against delenn proves they're scum. this is as good as a cop guilty. plz lynch.

Jury (Delenn):

If the nk thinks I am scum, he should vote you.

Jury (Delenn):

I am likely vigged if he doesn't vote to ml me.

Jury (Delenn):

Scum have zero incentive to vote me.

Jury (Delenn):

You want me dead? Argue I am town.

Jury (Davsto):

Because if so, us town should really get an idea of who to go for after Delenn, to prevent scum from quicklynching Heartless again.

Jury (Delenn):

Jury who said wait a second is scum. Scum cannot quick lynch after my lynch if I was scum.

Jury (Delenn):

Just sayin'.

Jury (Delenn):

Heartless (anti?) wants Runner's head after Delenn, so we should lynch him next.

Jury (Heartless):

I hope the Neutral Killing role realizes that sending all three mafia into the night isn't a good thing for him/her.

Jury (Jeanne11):

P.S: You were willing to throw me under the bus the last game we were in just so you can get ahead. Well, now I am throwing you under the bus so that I can get ahead. Bye now.

Jury (Delenn):

Heartless is the lynch or you have to pick someone else.

Jury (Delenn):

You'd need me to self vote to lynch me as scum have zero incentive to vote me. That or one game throws.

Jury (Delenn):

I've got work to do.

Jury (Delenn):

I hate Titus, so she's town. Scum is lurking.

Jury (Davsto):

I'm pretty sure Delenn is basically confirmed scum right now. If they were town, they would have been hammered by scum by now.

Jury (Delenn):

Now isn't that what you want...

Jury (Delenn):

Scum have zero interest in lynching me when they can safely lynch conftown.

Jury (Delenn):

Whoever town wagons is a mislynch/vig.

Jury (Delenn):

Why would scum vote anyone but Heartless here? You don't answer that. You can't because I am right. I am a walking shield from any vig kill.

Jury (Delenn):

Not voting Delenn. I believe her.

Jury (Heartless):

Hello everyone, this is TTH here to restore order. First of all, stop freaking out. We're not getting lynched if the neutral killer is smart. He has no reason to vote with the mafia here. In fact, he's likely going to be in a very bad position if he does. With the Jester grief kill and the claimed killing roles in the Jailor and Vigilante, there's a chance the neutral killer could lose outright on Night 1 if he helps scum railroad us. Even if the game goes to Day 2, the scum team effectively has an extra member in the Judge so Day 2 will be likely be a LYLO / MYLO situation. That is... if the neutral killer even makes it past today (remember, scum don't need his help to secure the third lynch). In short, the third party killer needs a scum lynch on Day 1 as much as we do. If everyone keeps their wits about them, we can still salvage this day.

Jury (Delenn):

The best play for the neutral killer is to vote you Heartless. Then to no lynch at all.

Jury (Delenn):

There would have to be game throwing for town to be near lylo.

Jury (Delenn):

You're trying to scare a neutral killer to get the mislynch you want.

Court (ika):

NEUTRAL KILLING CLAIM YOUR ROLE. I CAN COORDINATE YOUR ACTIONS TO HELP YOU IF YOU HELP US LYNCH HEARTLESS.

Jury (Delenn):

This Delenn wagon is crap. Why don't you want to wagon someone else TTH? Order isn't just what you want.

Jury (Heartless):

With the anonymous posting and voting, we don't really have much room for Devil's advocate here. It's important to find a lynch we can rally around. If you have any serious misgivings about it, it's crucial you articulate it clearly because otherwise you're just tying town's arms together.

Jury (Heartless):

I'm not sure if Antihero's right about Titus but I do think he's right about Runner. Post 146 was a non-stance on the massclaim issue and the jump onto Spiffeh in Post 148 is underwhelming to say the least. Is this something everyone could get behind? -TTH

Jury (Heartless):

Titus, can I ask you what the fuck you're doing besides being spiteful? The neutral killer isn't going to be able to force a no lynch because the threshold is going to go down by one.
Stop it. -TTH

Court (ika):

NEUTRAL CLAIM ROLE!

Court (ika):

WE NEED TO REACH A LYNCH!

Jury (Delenn):

TTH, How can I put forth another candidate? I have put forth other people and you ignore me to shout off vitriol about how I am confscum because scum want to use me for a meat shield and I disagreed with you.

Jury (Delenn):

I have suggested Dave because of his contradiction regarding the jester lynch. You ignored it. I could get behind that but right now I am voting no one.

Jury (Delenn):

Lynching Runner I would also be down with.

Jury (Delenn):

Nice to see you at least coming to the table to talk.

Jury (Davsto):

Okay here's why Titus is scum: if she were Town then scum would've figured that lynching her now will mean that they can lynch Heartless unresisted next phase, since they then have majority without the town resistance. You guys got it?

Jury (Delenn):

Or they could still lynch Heartless and have a vig shield.

Jury (Delenn):

For the love of god Anti, your way isn't the only way.

Jury (Heartless):

As a sign of good faith, I'm switching our vote over to Runner, Titus. If you're town and you really think it is preferable to just let us die than vote Runner, then I ask you don't sign up for any more games with me (because apparently that's how little you think of me).

Jury (Heartless):

I'm actually with Anti that ika is likely the judge here. I would have to think that ika, as town, would be pitching an absolute hissy fit about now. Also, no one's shown up with ika's posting style outside the all caps poster. -TTH

Jury (Heartless)

voted for

Runner

.

Jury (Davsto):

Also the way she seems to be trying to convince the neutral killer to vote Heartless over herself and not actually putting forwards a candidate to be lynched over those two is horrible.

Jury (Delenn):

TTH, suppose I am not lynched. What do you think will happen?

Jury (Delenn):

I will be targeted by every known killer in the game, town and scum alike. So by lynching me, scum are done a disservice because they have to worry about that. Scum are never voting me and you know it.

Jury (Delenn)

voted for

Runner

.

Jury (Delenn):

Good faith showing.

Jury (Heartless):

@Titus: I'm very unsure about Davsto right now. Antihero seems to think he's town but there's a couple things I don't care for: the Spiffeh vote and the rough transition onto Shiro. I think he very well could be scum but I think Runner is a higher probability play for now. -TTH

Jury (Delenn):

Ika could be the judge. I am rather confused there.

Jury (Delenn):

On one hand, ika produced content which he hasn't done in the past few games as scum. On the other hand, the judge isn't raging to vote me which is an ika requirement.

Jury (Jeanne11):

So killing roles will target protective roles? Then I'd better disappear.

Jury (Heartless):

Anti hasn't been posting, Titus. I know he's busy doing something else. Please shut up and listen for a second.

Jury (Heartless):

I'm very well aware that scum aren't going to bus. That's why I'm trying to find common ground. Another thing we could do that would give us a lot more breathing room for the third lynch is to judge hunt. What's your current opinion of who that is? -TTH

Jury (Jeanne11):

I am using my action on ika as soon as the night arrives.

Jury (Davsto):

If we think ika is the Judge, isn't he the best choice for today? Since this will last the rest of the Day - including the next lynch - it's probably clever to get him out of the way so that we can properly vote the next, without scum having the Judge giving an extra three votes and the ability to vote anonymously.

Jury (Davsto)

unvoted.

Court (ika)

voted for

Delenn

.

Jury (Jeanne11)

voted for

Runner

.

Jury (Heartless):

Regarding ika: He's recently been subverting his lurking scum meta. Here, he wouldn't even be "scum" per se. Technically he'd be a third party, anti-town survivor that could win with the mafia or neutral killer. I also think ika is very strategic and would play to his win condition regardless of if that meant voting you or not. Right now, the Judge is very much playing to his win condition.

Jury (Heartless):

Really, the fact that no one on the jury has shown up with his writing style and the court's is very much his writing style is making me very confident that ika is the judge.

Jury (Delenn):

Should we test if ika is the judge?

Jury (Delenn):

Someone "Jury" with ika's posting style should show up if we wagon ika?

Jury (Delenn):

Ok. Let's wagon ika and get back to normal voting.

Jury (Delenn)

voted for

ika

.

Jury (Delenn)

voted for

Heartless

.

Jury (Jeanne11):

I am up for that.

Jury (Jeanne11)

voted for

ika

.

Jury (Davsto)

voted for

ika

.

Jury (Delenn)

: 326 was me. Sorry forgot to sign.

Jury (Delenn)

: ~Delenn

Court (ika)

voted for

Heartless

.

Jury (Shiro):

So what have I missed what are we doing ?

Jury (Shiro):

Jury (Shiro):

This remind me of Lightkeeper in EM and it is really fun to watch the chaos xD. Poor Nether though

Jury (Delenn)

: We're lynching ika because he's the judge.

Jury (Delenn)

: ~Delenn

Jury (Delenn)

: Something hinky is going on here. I think scum were stupid and trying to lynch me.

Jury (Delenn)

: Mod: Can we get a nameless vote count?

Jury (Delenn)

: ~Delenn.

Jury (Jeanne11):

Noodles! I love noodles! I devour noodles!

Jury (Jeanne11):

Jury (Jeanne11):

Noodles go well with squid meat. Guess what you get when you translate 'squid' into Japanese?

Jury (Jeanne11):

Oh, and if I find out you were stringing us along the whole time, you are up next, Delenn. *wags finger at Delenn* - Sonya

Jury (Delenn)

: Huh? Who is Sonya? I already have to deal with VCA being ruined, the last thing I need is this shit.

Jury (Shiro):

Am I the only one not fully trusting this ~sign bussiness ?

Jury (Shiro):

Anyone can sign as anybody to be honest

Jury (Jeanne11):

Sonya is me. In order to avoid us being targeted, that's all info you will get.

Jury (Heartless)

voted for

ika

.

Jury (Bins)

voted for

Runner

.

Jury (Aristophanes)

voted for

Heartless

.

Jury (Aristophanes):

from neutral killing

Jury (Aristophanes):

Holy crap, what is going on!?

Jury (Aristophanes):

Do we seriously have to make two lynches this way?

Jury (Aristophanes):

Why don't we all name a player or two we think is scum and vote whichever gets the majority, that way we can keep track of this shit.

Jury (Delenn)

: Klingon will be doing most of our posting at this point because I am vla with the flu tomorrow. I will be watching occasionally.

Jury (Delenn)

: ~Titus

Jury (Davsto):

We don't have to make two lynches this way if we get ika - the Judge - lynched, I think. Or at least, we won't have to put up with a triple-powered scum-motivated vote. Hence, town really need ika dead, for our own good.

Jury (Delenn):

why arey ou voting for me you pepple have no idea the rage i'm feeling now. dont listen to scum.

Court (ika):

MAFIA VOTE RUNNER OR NO?

Jury (Delenn)

voted for

Heartless

.

Jury (Delenn)

voted for

ika

.

Jury (Delenn)

voted for

ika

.

Jury (Delenn)

voted for

Heartless

.

Jury (Delenn):

Why does everyone vote for Ika and Heartless? Where's that davsto wagon?

Jury (Jeanne11):

Sonya is baaacckkkk! You missed me?

Jury (Jeanne11):

How many votes are required to reach a lynch? Because there are quite a few on ika.

Jury (Shiro)

voted for

Bins

.

Jury (Aristophanes):

Judgey do we vote ikey or runny now

Court (ika)

voted for

Ankamius

.

Court (ika):

TO THE NEXT SCUM MY ALLIES

Court (ika):

NEUTRAL KILLING CLAIM SO TONIGHT I CAN HELP YOU. SCUMS CLAIM I CAN WORK OUT ACTION TO OPTIMIZE US

Jury (Shiro):

Jury (Bins):

They're probably gonna pile on me (Bins) now because I'm the next confirmable. So... pick who we rush?

Jury (Shiro)

voted for

Ankamius

.

Jury (Delenn)

voted for

Ankamius

.

Jury (Davsto):

Curious as to the rush of Ank votes. Is this a town-motivated or scum-motivated rush and, either way, why him?

Jury (Davsto):

Yeh, looks like Ank is scum-motivated, considering the Vigilante claim.

Jury (Davsto):

See, this is why I said we should have planned who we went for next.

Jury (Davsto)

voted for

Runner

.

Jury (Delenn):

THAKNS FOR REMEINDING ME THAT IM PATETIC AND DUMB. I WORK AND COME BACK TO THIS. FUCK YOU ALL.

Jury (Ankamius):

Whoever the third party killing role is, you are literally the worst. Unless you already have a good idea who the scumteam is, you're losing yourself the game by going this route. If you want to win in any way whatsoever, you will work with town to eliminate the scumteam, because you have to be aware that ika doesn't actually give a fuck about you; he just needed your vote now so he could win with the scumteam. You fucked up big time and I hope you have a plan to fix this, because otherwise you just lost both yourself and town the game.

Jury (Ankamius):

-Ank

Jury (Delenn):

Popping in real quick but I am not sure the judge is ika. 356 looks like ika talking. Maybe that's my flu though. Who should we be lynching? If you're sure ika's the judge, where is your ika vote?

Jury (Delenn):

~Delenn

Jury (Davsto):

I'm willing to bet that "ika-looking" post was scum faking it to avoid an ika. The reason we're not voting ika now anyway is because it's more important to get Mafia/Killing Neutral out of the way than it is to get a Judge killed, since the Maf/Neut have night actions while the Judge will be powerless after today. Us town are going for Runner but I highly doubt we'll manage it before scum get their way with Ank.

Jury (Ankamius):

Don't hunt for the neutral killing role under any circumstances. Whoever that slot is HAS to work with town after tonight. After I'm dead, that slot will be scum's and judge's biggest threat.

Jury (Ankamius):

RE: Why I'm not voting ika: It's pointless, but I'll play along just in case.

Jury (Ankamius):

-Ank

Jury (Ankamius)

voted for

ika

.

Jury (Runner)

voted for

Ankamius

.

===

I just noticed that there was a point when

ika

voted for

Delenn

and

Delenn

was at 6 votes. If

Heartless

didn't switch earlier to

Runner

then

Delenn

would have been lynched.

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I just realized I could have implicated Delenn as being scum by using her name to do it. :/

In theory, yes. In practice, you'd have a hard time emulating me as the entire audience knows my voice and you lack the inherent knowledge of my meta.

I guess he could emulate

Klingoncelt

.

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Ah well, I can do it in the next game that;s sure to come up eventually. *evil chuckle*

Chance of getting the judge is relatively low.

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There are other fun combinations of roles possible though.

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I cant wait for netter next game....

If my upick doesnt fill ill just prob run a 15p of this setup so it can be true sc2.

i wonder if i should add in the heart attack mechanic......

I can't wait to it too

I think your UPick will fill though.