Mini 1712: Clue Master Detectives Mafia II - Game Over

[shos]

^I agree with farside. There was a guilty on hiplop N0 but no one wants to lynch him.

Explain?

so here's an honest question to everyone.

If you just got into a game and people told you to vote X because there's a guilty on him. Do you vote or just ask explanation?

[shos]

DEAD: Gammagooey (

Madame Rose

,

Town

)

Found shot dead in the Kitchen.

Day 3 Begins: Deadline Thursday, October 29, 2015, 09:30 pm UCT -4

MOD:
Does the shot that killed Gamma count for the number of shots the gun has?

If this cannot be answered:
1. Assuming there was a vigging item, can scum kill AND use it on the same night?
2. If the scum use an X-shot item for killing, does it waste one of its shots?

[shos]

Ugh.

Alright shos I don't know what to think.
I'm thinking toog mostly because I had an item last night and held it. Heard the loud bang and still was able to hold my item

farside love. why did you direct this post specifically to me.?

[shos]

i am now in the library

MS where were you yesterday

[shos]

I am also in the Drawing Room. I had no item at the start of the Night Phase. KMD, did you use your Lead Pipe, and if so, on whom did you use it?

gamma was my vote going into today; I didn't like the delivery of his vote on hiplop. He seems like an odd nightkill because I think he would have easily been mislynch fodder

If I'm not mistaken, we are in MyLo, correct?


Analysis wise...
shos moved to the Kitchen and found the Wrench. gamma and frozone/MS wouldn't have found an item if they were itemless since only one item can be in a room at a time.
I'm assuming KMD moved to the Dining Room and found the Lead Pipe. I didn't find an item, so I'm assuming KMD picked up the Lead Pipe from the Dining Room.
Farside was claimed no item and in the Trophy Room.
BBT was claimed no item and in the Carriage House.

Having had the Revolver myself at one point, I do know that it can kill in any room with a 40% chance. Anyone other than BBT I believe was in range of the Kitchen. BBT *might* have been able to take the shot on a gamble, but why not just kill farside? So, here's the breakdown for me. I know that I didn't have the Revolver yesterday. I was forced to drop it when I moved to the Dining Room because I didn't specifically say I was going to hold on to it. I believe shos had the Wrench because of the claim that it had blood on it, and the way he went about questioning hiplop, therefore I don't believe Frozone/Metal had the Revolver since he couldn't have obtained it when shos picked up the item first. I also believe KMD has the lead pipe, because I didn't pick up anything when moving to the Dining Room, and I don't see any reason to lie about picking up the lead pipe. This leaves my pool of suspects to be either Farside or BBT that made the kill. Since I don't believe scum BBT risks shooting at 40% on the kitchen, I'm leaning voting Farside here.

Vote: Farside

I like this. KMD - don't know if you answered in the future - but if you didn't, please do ( about the lead pipe )


also MS - please claim your previous locations too

[shos]

N0 had dagger heard shot and dropped it.
N1 no item

This is Farside's claimed item possessions. I doubt scum would claim to have had the murder item in their possession the night of the kill.

wait wtf?

farside why the fuck did you drop your doccing item on N0?

[shos]

Having had the Revolver myself at one point, I do know that it can kill in any room with a 40% chance. 

^this is true.

Explain?

I'm rooting for a KMD/farside team right now.

[shos]

Having had the Revolver myself at one point, I do know that it can kill in any room with a 40% chance. 

^this is true.

Explain?

I'm rooting for a KMD/farside team right now.

hurr ignore me lalala

I'm stupid

[shos]

I had the Revolver yesterday.

Toog.
If memory serves right, you are currently entertaining the idea that both your wrench and your revolver were autodropped on N0 and N1 because you didn't submit anything.

by N1. the titus hydra was already dead, proving that shooting the ceiling is something that is possible. Why did you not do that?



pedit:
MS it's either or you can't just naswer yes
also tell me where you have been in previous days/nights

[shos]

PAGETOP LOLZ

Spoiler: game map

Player	N0	D1/N1	D2/N2	D3/N3	D4/N4	Additional Info
Schrodinger's Mislynch	Courtyard. Used revolver - shot ceiling.	Gazebo. Had candlestick.	DEAD.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Lynched D1.
pirate mollie	Library. Had and used candlestick, confirmed locations of Cheetory6 and Schrodinger's Mislynch.. Did not see Hiplop.	Kitchen.	DEAD.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Killed N1.
				DEAD.	DEAD.	Lynched D2.
				DEAD.	DEAD.	Killed N2.
LIVING PLAYERS:
shos	Billiard Room. Was actually in the Studio N0. Used poison on Library.	Library.	Kitchen. Has wrench - it has blood on it.	Trophy Room.
farside22	Dining Room. Had dagger, dropped.	Kitchen.	Trophy Room. Had item, held it.	Still has item.
Gammagooey	Drawing Room.	Dining Room.
Cheetory6 Frozone Metal Sonic	Kitchen.	Had no item.		Library.
Toogeloo	Conservatory. Held wrench - dropped.	Drawing Room. Had the Revolver.	Dining Room. Had no item.	Drawing Room.
BlueBloodedToffee Untrod Tripod	Carriage Room.	Courtyard.	Carriage Room.
Kmd4390	Trophy Room.	Kitchen. Had Lead Pipe. Tried to block Hiplop.	Dining Room.	Drawing Room. Has Revolver with four bullets.
hiplop	Initially claimed Courtyard. Then claimed Fountain.	Courtyard.	Drawing Room.

Item use:

Dagger

- protects a player or a room; can't be used on self

Poison

- target will drop the item it holds IF it chooses to hold it

Wrench

- user commutes, and can move anywhere on the map

Rope

-

Revolver

- Kills target. Has 6 bullets(5 after SM's ceiling shot / 4 after Gamma's death). Has 40% to kill a target in ANY room.

Lead Pipe

- Stops items from being used (basically a role block)

Candlestick

- Shows to the user who is in the room with him and who is in adjacent rooms

[shos]

On Night 0, I dropped the Wrench, and moved from the Conservatory to the Drawing Room where I found the Revolver. I did not intentionally drop the Wrench, and for a time, I thought it was due to the Poison that it was dropped. Day 1, I had the Revolver in my possession with 5 Bullets in it. Night 1, I moved from the Drawing Room to the Dining Room, in the process dropping the Revolver, which I had no intention of dropping. The mod PM'd me and reminded me that if I did not specifically state I was holding items, that I would auto-drop them, which was what happened in both the case of the Wrench and the Revolver.

I trust Toog.

[shos]

(The table above still needs some updates but it is much more elaborate than the previous one, and this was a pagetop steal so....)

[shos]

farside's play is shit and piss lately (no offense love) and I see votes piling there and I like that.

I fully expect to die tonight as the one person being widely townread. So when I'm gone take the time and work veeeery carefully guys.

[shos]

My phoneposting from wifi from Prague sucked ass lolz.

page 52 already! yeaaaaaaha

[shos]

We still don't know what the rope does? what did it do last game? O__o

We should split up room wise. plan it so that we are far away from each other, make it harder for scum to reach us for kills, so perhaps we can actually use the whole 1-miskill-and-we-get-another-lynch

[shos]

and guys I claimed my room in the first post of the day lol.

Anyway, finished reading. making final edits to the table and posting it soon.

[shos]

Player	N0	D1/N1	D2/N2	D3/N3	D4/N4	Additional Info
Schrodinger's Mislynch	Courtyard. Used revolver - shot ceiling.	Gazebo. Had candlestick.	DEAD.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Lynched D1.
pirate mollie	Library. Had and used candlestick, confirmed locations of Cheetory6 and Schrodinger's Mislynch.. Did not see Hiplop.	Kitchen.	DEAD.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Killed N1.
hiplop	Initially claimed Courtyard. Then claimed Fountain.	Courtyard.	Drawing Room.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Lynched D2 in the Drawing Room.
Gammagooey	Drawing Room.	Dining Room.	Kitchen, as per the flip.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Shot N2 in the Kitchen.
LIVING PLAYERS:
shos	Billiard Room. Was actually in the Studio N0. Used poison on Library.	Library.	Kitchen. Has wrench - it has blood on it.	Trophy Room.
farside22	Dining Room. Had dagger, dropped.	Kitchen.	Trophy Room. Had item, held it.	Carriage House. Still has item. Item is revealed to be Dagger.
Cheetory6 Frozone Metal Sonic	Kitchen.	Had no item.		Library.
Toogeloo	Conservatory. Held wrench - dropped.	Drawing Room. Had the Revolver.	Dining Room. Had no item.	Drawing Room.
BlueBloodedToffee Untrod Tripod	Carriage Room.	Courtyard.	Carriage Room.	Trophy Room.
Kmd4390	Trophy Room.	Kitchen. Had Lead Pipe. Tried to block Hiplop.	Dining Room. Had no item.	Drawing Room. Has Revolver with four bullets.

Item use:

Dagger

- protects a player or a room; can't be used on self

Poison

- target will drop the item it holds IF it chooses to hold it

Wrench

- user commutes, and can move anywhere on the map

Rope

-

Revolver

- Kills target. Has 6 bullets(5 after SM's ceiling shot / 4 after Gamma's death). Has 40% to kill a target in ANY room.

Lead Pipe

- Stops items from being used (basically a role block)

Candlestick

- Shows to the user who is in the room with him and who is in adjacent rooms

[shos]

That probably has all of the information the game can use. Including links to wherever anything was claimed, and notes, the map, and item explanations. If anything can/should be added, do that.

I'm out to find what the rope did earlier.


also,

VOTE: Farside

Sorry love
shit happens

[shos]

answer my questions, farside.

[shos]

N0 had dagger heard shot and dropped it.
N1 no item

This is Farside's claimed item possessions. I doubt scum would claim to have had the murder item in their possession the night of the kill.

wait wtf?

farside why the fuck did you drop your doccing item on N0?

And are you saying that you have the dagger AGAIN?

Also this is the link to the previous game if anyone needs. We need to lynch scum to make this game longer than the other! lol
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=26324

[shos]

from the scum QT:

Belisarius:
It is Night 0.

You are in the Studio. You have access to the Billiard Room, and Conservatory.

You find a rope.

Rope: Will prevent target in an adjacent room from moving to another Room.

Submit your action, if any, and where do you want to move before the night is over in 48 hours.

[shos]

know? not at all. your partner may have it. for all I know, or you. Still: why did you not use the dagger last night? and didn'y you say you DROPPED the dagger N0?

more from the QT:
The dagger can be used on any player. Which means that it does not need to be used on an Adjacent player.

[shos]

N0 had dagger heard shot and dropped it.
N1 no item

just taking notes, yes.

[shos]

I used the item N0

care to also elaborate on whom?

[shos]

Also from scum QT of last game:

The dagger can be used on any player. Which means that it does not need to be used on an Adjacent player.

[shos]

WHY DID YOU NOT USE IT LAST NIGHT

[shos]

That still does not explain shit.

[shos]

Pagetop, full info this time.

Player	N0	D1/N1	D2/N2	D3/N3	D4/N4	Additional Info
Schrodinger's Mislynch	Courtyard. Used revolver - shot ceiling.	Gazebo. Had candlestick.	DEAD.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Lynched D1.
pirate mollie	Library. Had and used candlestick, confirmed locations of Cheetory6 and Schrodinger's Mislynch.. Did not see Hiplop.	Kitchen.	DEAD.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Killed N1.
hiplop	Initially claimed Courtyard. Then claimed Fountain.	Courtyard.	Drawing Room.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Lynched D2 in the Drawing Room.
Gammagooey	Drawing Room.	Dining Room.	Kitchen, as per the flip.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Shot N2 in the Kitchen.
LIVING PLAYERS:
shos	Billiard Room. Was actually in the Studio N0. Used poison on Library.	Library.	Kitchen. Has wrench - it has blood on it.	Trophy Room.
farside22	Dining Room. Had dagger, dropped.	Kitchen.	Trophy Room. Had item, held it.	Carriage House. Still has item. Item is revealed to be Dagger.
Cheetory6 Frozone Metal Sonic	Kitchen.	Had no item.		Library.
Toogeloo	Conservatory. Held wrench - dropped.	Drawing Room. Had the Revolver.	Dining Room. Had no item.	Drawing Room.
BlueBloodedToffee Untrod Tripod	Carriage Room.	Courtyard.	Carriage Room.	Trophy Room.
Kmd4390	Trophy Room.	Kitchen. Had Lead Pipe. Tried to block Hiplop.	Dining Room. Had no item.	Drawing Room. Has Revolver with four bullets.

Item use:

Dagger

- protects a player or a room; can't be used on self

Poison

- target will drop the item it holds IF it chooses to hold it

Wrench

- user commutes, and can move anywhere on the map

Rope

-

Revolver

- Kills target. Has 6 bullets(5 after SM's ceiling shot / 4 after Gamma's death). Has 40% to kill a target in ANY room.

Lead Pipe

- Stops items from being used (basically a role block)

Candlestick

- Shows to the user who is in the room with him and who is in adjacent rooms

[shos]

almost 6 am. I expect an answer in the morning or a hammer.

[shos]

[And if you shoot a bullet, you get one less bullet. Common sense.[/color][/b]

you can kill a person with a gun without shooting too

Candlestick
Dagger
Lead Pipe
Revolver
Rope
Wrench
Poison
Horseshoe

why do you have the rope there but not the horseshoe

lol didnt know this existed

What does it do? Ill update soon

That still does not explain shit.

Not everyone claimed where they were so I had no clue where I should use the dagger at.
Duh

this is just bullshit and this should die.

i was from dining room -> kitchen -> library

since there is a cool secret passage from kitcen to library

will update soon

SECRET PASSAGE!??!?!

SOUNDS LIKE SCUM TO ME!

seriously though guys I'm completely lost. where do I even start with this?

I suggest skimming day 1 and READING day2 onwards.

[shos]

Player	N0	D1/N1	D2/N2	D3/N3	D4/N4	Additional Info
Schrodinger's Mislynch	Courtyard. Used revolver - shot ceiling.	Gazebo. Had candlestick.	DEAD.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Lynched D1.
pirate mollie	Library. Had and used candlestick, confirmed locations of Cheetory6 and Schrodinger's Mislynch.. Did not see Hiplop.	Kitchen.	DEAD.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Killed N1, probably with wrench.
hiplop	Initially claimed Courtyard. Then claimed Fountain.	Courtyard.	Drawing Room.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Lynched D2 in the Drawing Room.
Gammagooey	Drawing Room.	Dining Room.	Kitchen, as per the flip.	DEAD.	DEAD.	Shot N2 in the Kitchen.
LIVING PLAYERS:
shos	Billiard Room. Was actually in the Studio N0. Used poison on Library.	Library.	Kitchen. Has wrench - it has blood on it.	Trophy Room.
farside22	Dining Room. Had dagger, dropped.	Kitchen.	Trophy Room. Had item, held it.	Carriage House. Still has item. Item is revealed to be Dagger.
Cheetory6 Frozone Metal Sonic	Kitchen.	Dining Room. Had no item.	Kitchen.	Library.
Toogeloo	Conservatory. Held wrench - dropped.	Drawing Room. Had the Revolver.	Dining Room. Had no item.	Drawing Room.
BlueBloodedToffee Untrod Tripod	Carriage Room.	Courtyard.	Carriage Room.	Trophy Room.
Kmd4390	Trophy Room.	Kitchen. Had Lead Pipe. Tried to block Hiplop.	Dining Room. Had no item.	Drawing Room. Has Revolver with four bullets.

Item use:

Dagger

- protects a player or a room; can't be used on self

Poison

- target will drop the item it holds IF it chooses to hold it

Wrench

- user commutes, and can move anywhere on the map

Rope

-

In previous game

blocks someone from moving

Revolver

- Kills target. Has 6 bullets(5 after SM's ceiling shot / 4 after Gamma's death). Has 40% to kill a target in ANY room.

Lead Pipe

- Stops items from being used (basically a role block)

Candlestick

- Shows to the user who is in the room with him and who is in adjacent rooms

Horseshoe

- ???? (not found in previous game too)

This should contain all the information we have and/or need.

[shos]

Toogeloo Sep 01, 12:31am Oct 15, 01:13pm 2 days 1 hour 108
Kmd4390 Aug 31, 10:58pm Oct 15, 05:50am 2 days 8 hours

[shos]

Dont know yet but we have a lynch and a kipp yo find out after lynching her.

Kmd actually may be it.

[shos]

Then again, we need UT to become a player in this game asap.

[shos]

@MS - while true, I don't think I have been that useful this game. I had a surge just after/before(?) you replaced in, but I wasn't that badass before that.

Regardless of that, the fact that I pointed the movement error to the mod, and the fact that I told everyone about the blood on the wrench(which means I didn't use it to kill), these should make me half conftown on any townie's mind imo.

You and UT need to bring in some good readups of the game and all. your slot was scummy as shit before the replacement, and you haven't yet done enough to get a good grip on, and well, UT hasn't done shit..

[shos]

As of now, I have only 2 sure reads. Those are farside - scum and toogeloo - town.
You I am not so sure about, though leaning town. If you are partners with farside you're alittle fucked, since we know you have the gun and as such, you won't be able to kill, or at least not without pressure on you. So what I'm thinking is farside's partner probably claimed to not have an item today.

This leave MS and UT.

UT hasn't done shit, and BBT was scummy as shit beforehand; but nearing his replacement I don't know, I got a good feeling about him. Also, it's very unlike him to leave like that unless he was REALLY bored/apathetic. But that is good for scum, they could just forget a little about the game and not mind. as town, you get annoyed with inactivity.

MS' slot has never given me any town vibes. at all. But also, not scum vibes. Cheetory went really under the radar for me, and NS hasn't done shit..


So if I had to guess, it's probably farside and MS. I think if we lynch scum today our odds become much greater.

[shos]

In yhat case you better shoot scum :/
If you are scum not with farside then itll be game over - youll just kill me and get it done.
If you are town and farside flips town, shoot ms or ut.

[shos]

Nay. A you/farside team canbe and it is too dangerous. Farside first

[shos]

okay whatever I'm done

I think it's in farside/shos/kmd

toog and ms are strong townreads

This might have been a towntell.

[shos]

This is definitely not the fun player farside that I like playing with. I'm happy to lynch you, love

by now she's just trying to make her partner look good. All her posts should be treated as wifom when she flips.

[shos]

okay whatever I'm done

I think it's in farside/shos/kmd

toog and ms are strong townreads

This is so bad I wonder why you bother playing.
Kmd mayyyyybe scum but MS is for sure scum.
If kmd is scum my lynch means scum win.

Me I just don't care

why is MS scum?

poe, assuming you are not

[shos]

I SAID SHOOT MSSSSS

but holy fuck toog great play! :0
Can we haz night actions?

Thanks everyone!

[shos]

Hahahaha

[shos]

Great game. Farside why were you town in the end

Ibliked the last day, despite our loss

[shos]

<3 you all guys lol

Except toog
Toog is mean scum

[shos]

Hurrrr this town shouldn't have lynched you hiplop.

[shos]

what happens if leadpipe is used on someone who uses the wrench?

I was trying to confuse you guys with the wrench. obviously didn't work. Should have lynched you for that quation if I used it..

interesting that I thought it was toog BEFORE I made my uber reread. Should stick to my guts.

[shos]

The dagger cannot protect itself.

[shos]

Last game, at one night the scum nokilled on purpose. This time it did not happen, and you could always kill.

What were the changes between this game and the first?

I think the additional scum flying powers are too much. Perhaps in a larger game that could fot, pr just make both abiloties one shot

[shos]

...I was hungry...