Mini 1724: Gameboy Advance Mafia (Abandoned)

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1159 (isolation #0) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:05 am

welp you know where my heart lies

Vote: Firebringer

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1161 (isolation #1) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:06 am

all flipped roles still make flavor sense
everybody else is pretty solidly cleared

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1162 (isolation #2) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:08 am

giving Firebringer a doublevote in 5p where SoS still lived would be an automatic win for scum, so it makes sense why firebringer would use that action over SoS using the roleblock

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1164 (isolation #3) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:13 am

you used a 50% roleblcok
vedith was a BP giver/doctor who was shot last night

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1167 (isolation #4) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:15 am

SoS submitted the kill

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1168 (isolation #5) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:15 am

that's why no one was roleblocked

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1170 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:15 am

OH WOW SoS WASN'T ALIVE LAST NIGHT

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1172 (isolation #7) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:20 am

Why didn't you try to block the last scum last night?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1174 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:21 am

Starbuck, AJ, Xtoxm confirmed town

Firebringer, me, Davesto not

Lynch Firebringer
Davesto shoots me
Lynch Davesto in 3p

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1175 (isolation #9) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:21 am

In post 1173, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1172, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why didn't you try to block the last scum last night?

I wasn't sure who was scum >.>
After grapes I didn't know who to block.

so you just didn't try?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:25 am

useful how?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:27 am

which is more useful than the chance of blocking scum because...?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:27 am

did you ever claim your third ability?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:29 am

do you see a flaw in the plan i presented?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:03 pm

In post 1181, Nachomamma8 wrote:do you see a flaw in the plan i presented?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:14 pm

In post 1174, Nachomamma8 wrote:Starbuck, AJ, Xtoxm confirmed town

Firebringer, me, Davesto not

Lynch Firebringer
Davesto shoots me
Lynch Davesto in 3p

Nachomamma8 · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:20 pm

Because it leads to a town win?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:21 pm

Starbuck is confirmed town because of shattering.
Xtoxm and AJ are confirmed town because of investigative results that give a false guilty but no false innocents.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:23 pm

Do you not understand any of these clears or do you believe the logic in clearing any of them is faulty?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1192 (isolation #19) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:53 pm

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:52 am

In post 1194, Xtoxm wrote:The only thing stopping me from insta purging Fire at this point is that the presence of his double vote would seem to indicate he couldn't have made the kill.

The double-vote activation being passive would explain that decently enough, although I can't come up with a good flavor explanation. I think he's possibly probably town but I don't think he's confirmed and I think he needs to be purged first because of the strength of a scum doublevoter the smaller the game gets as well as his other goodies.

In post 1196, Davsto wrote:Who's word do we have to go on that the shattering lasts all night apart from Starbuck's word?
Godfather is a role that exists.

We can have Starbuck shatter again and she will be counted as dead per the mod's word, which would mean that our win condition would be met if she shattered as the last scum. As a side note, I initially read that as "Starbucks" and cringed for her sake.

In post 1196, Davsto wrote:Problem with this whole "ooh look at all these confirmed towns" is that you're not considering little things. How are these people considered confirmed town but not me, who literally brought up a dead Mafia.

Why does this make you confirmed town?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1199 (isolation #21) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:16 am

In post 1198, Davsto wrote:Because there is a dead body, right there, and there is no way that an SK would work in a setup this small, and, if I were lying, there'd be no vigilante which would be weird.
You have no proof in front of you that those who were inspected aren't investigation-immune, or that Fire's double vote is actually an action and not an even-day thing.

I'm not confirmed town, but my confirmedness is more than the others', in my opinion. Starbuck is the only confirmed town by the fact that the game didn't end when she shattered.

There have been SKs in small games before.
I am also a vigilante and have already produced a dead body, and vigilantes are not common fare in every game.

The proof we have that they aren't investigative-immune is that Grapes was informed that he could get a false "MAFIA" result in the game; giving him a false "TOWN" result and not informing him of as much is bad modding and wgeurts certainly isn't a bad mod.

I'm making no arguments that Firebringer is confirmed town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1201 (isolation #22) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:21 am

In post 1200, Davsto wrote:The way that grapes' inspection thing was worded is that she knew she'd get a fake mafia result on someone who didn't know it - this would be to avoid bastardness.

For one of the actual mafia to be aware that they "inspect as town" would make sense, in all honesty.

I don't understand the point you're making.

Grapes was informed that he would investigate a townie as mafia but not a mafia as townie was to avoid bastardness? If that was the intent, why not inform the townie they were a miller?

Why does it make sense for there to be a godfather in this game?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1203 (isolation #23) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:25 am

Maybe on different sites, but not here.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1205 (isolation #24) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:12 am

In post 1204, Davsto wrote:Well it stops the entire game being won just by a Cop. Like, who cares if they get a Mafia result on a townie; they get 4 mafia results, lynch them all, kabam. Game won for town.

Normally when a cop gets a guilty result, they out. When cops out, Roleblockers usually block them.
If a cop manages to get three guilty results on three different mafia players, they deserve to win the game; a vig shooting three mafia also deserves to win the game.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1206 (isolation #25) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:14 am

In post 1204, Davsto wrote:This is a role madness game. Giving the Mafia something which makes them inspect as innocent makes basic logical sense.

But informing the cop that he can get bad Mafia results while simultaneously not informing him he can get bad Town results doesn't make logical sense.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1208 (isolation #26) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:16 am

In post 1207, Davsto wrote:The reason the Cop was informed that they can get bad Mafia results is because the player who gets the bad Mafia result isn't aware.

Why?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1209 (isolation #27) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:16 am

What?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1212 (isolation #28) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:17 am

In post 1210, Davsto wrote:Look, I think there's a good enough chance of one of you/Fire being scum that I don't care that much, but I swear to god that if there's an investigation-immune in this game I will slap you post-game.

And if there isn't I get to slap you?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1213 (isolation #29) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:18 am

In post 1211, Davsto wrote:
In post 1138, wgeurts wrote:Your skills are also occasionally prone to failure, you know that one player will always appear as "Mafia" to you this game, though they aren't aware of it themselves as the fault is yours.

Yes, I know that.

Your argument is that the only reason grapes was informed that he could get a false Mafia result was because the false mafia result wasn't aware of his status.

Why wouldn't he be aware of his status?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1215 (isolation #30) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:19 am

In post 1213, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why wouldn't he be aware of his status?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1216 (isolation #31) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:19 am

In post 1213, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why wouldn't he be aware of his status?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1217 (isolation #32) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:20 am

I'm asking from a setup perspective, I'm not trying to refute facts.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1220 (isolation #33) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:25 am

In post 1218, Davsto wrote:I have no idea why they wouldn't be made aware themselves. Probably to invoke a reaction. So that the Cop is cautious before outing results because they know a guilty could be false.

They wouldn't be aware themselves so they couldn't claim D1.
So that wgeurts could nerf the cop with a miller that actually had a chance of being investigated.

This, combined with the flipped roleblocker, means that a Godfather is highly unlikely.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1221 (isolation #34) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:27 am

In post 1220, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1218, Davsto wrote:I have no idea why they wouldn't be made aware themselves. Probably to invoke a reaction. So that the Cop is cautious before outing results because they know a guilty could be false.

They wouldn't be aware themselves so they couldn't claim D1.
So that wgeurts could nerf the cop with a miller that actually had a chance of being investigated.

This, combined with the flipped roleblocker, means that a Godfather is highly unlikely.

It also has the good modding practice of full disclosure; letting grapes know what results he can trust and what results he can't allows him to play the role a bit more skillfully than he could otherwise.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1222 (isolation #35) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:27 am

In post 1220, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1218, Davsto wrote:I have no idea why they wouldn't be made aware themselves. Probably to invoke a reaction. So that the Cop is cautious before outing results because they know a guilty could be false.

They wouldn't be aware themselves so they couldn't claim D1.
So that wgeurts could nerf the cop with a miller that actually had a chance of being investigated.

This, combined with the flipped roleblocker, means that a Godfather is highly unlikely.

It also has the good modding practice of full disclosure; letting grapes know what results he can trust and what results he can't allows him to play the role a bit more skillfully than he could otherwise.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:51 am

oh cool
firebringer was scum

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:52 am

In post 1236, Xtoxm wrote:On the surface, Nacho is very scummy. He dayvigged a role that scum have a lot of reason to fear (vanilliser) and hard defended scum. We should probably lynch him today.

firebringer claimed that mudkip knew swords dance

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:53 am

also firebringer getting a successful shot in today means that we lose the game
which is why I should have been shot and firebringer lynched

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:50 pm

but then you won't get your doublevote and win

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:50 pm

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1270 (isolation #41) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:04 pm

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1271 (isolation #42) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:04 pm

i mean
i don't want to help the scum win but you know you do right

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1273 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:13 pm

oh you're not claiming scum

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1274 (isolation #44) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:14 pm

you do realize that taking yourself out of the suspect pool so that actual scum can be caught is more help than living a night, right?
and that if you prevent davesto from shooting you as town you will have a larger share of the responsibility for town losing than anyone else... right?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1276 (isolation #45) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:15 pm

even if you were why would you

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1277 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:15 pm

because you should have the game sewn up based on powers you've claimed and demonstrated so far

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1278 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:16 pm

a "HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE I AM IMMORTAL" is far superior to not "HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE I AM IMMORTAL"ing

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1280 (isolation #48) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:18 pm

in that case, see:

In post 1274, Nachomamma8 wrote:you do realize that taking yourself out of the suspect pool so that actual scum can be caught is more help than living a night, right?
and that if you prevent davesto from shooting you as town you will have a larger share of the responsibility for town losing than anyone else... right?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1281 (isolation #49) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:19 pm

you'll realize i'm not fucking around when I flip town hopefully.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1283 (isolation #50) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:26 pm

this is a much smarter plan, yes

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1284 (isolation #51) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:28 pm

and if both of you survive and you again have double votes, I would lynch Davesto because he's very likely an SK

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1285 (isolation #52) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:28 pm

two vigilantes in the game is decently wonky, especially with dave having unlimited shots and a strongman kill and me only having one dayvig