Mini 1722: Warcraft III - Reign of MAFIA (DOOM HAS COME)
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In post 1209, Anatole Kuragin wrote:The name my role has would also put to rest any doubts of being a third party. I want to hear ABR's before I say what it is though.
I've already revealed too much. I won't tell scum any more information.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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SW is one of the worst players on site and Titus is acting ridiculous.
The slot is toxic. If it were another player in that slot I think I could believe Nether is scum.
But not them because they're acting like psychos.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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There's too much confirmation bias going on and you're making everyone want to lynch your slot to shut you up.
You really need to learn to get along and treat others with more respect. You take no personal responsibility.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1267, Anatole Kuragin wrote:ABR, is there any reason you like inte for town?
If I were a vig he'd be one of the main people I'd want to kill actually.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1279, Titus wrote:In post 1271, Vedith wrote:In post 1260, Titus wrote:He's also my other scumsuspect and I'm trying to get him and Nether lynched. I'm the only one with the right team, and the only vig target. There's a point where scum are just playing with their food.
Well, now it's you instead of a hydra, I feel better about trying to read you.
So lets go through their cases again. I know that you are probably tired of saying it but I want to see what reasons for them that others can't be accused for as well.
Ok, I'll do this again.
1) Nether crumbed VT early on. Nether claims he crumbed Ghoul only. Ghoul can only be a VT though.
2) Nether has basically sheeped anything else with a pulse.
3) When I try to work with the rest of the town to lynch Nether, highlighting Nether's play, I'm suddenly wagoned.
4) When I was merely suspecting Nether, I wasn't a suspect at all.
5) Nether has put in cases full of lies on us.
6) Nether hasn't scumhunted but just tried to spam out us and say we're wrong.
This case is deeply flawed. I mean, you may be right that he's scum, but that's a coincidence because your case is nothing but confbias.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Same reason I started the day thinking he was scum until you started looking suspicious as hell.
I think I'll buy you being an incompetent town though.
Which means you should check Nether tonight so we have information tomorrow.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1304, Netherspite wrote:In post 1296, Titus wrote:
I'm presuming so.
I checked ABR because we never get along and he never trusts me. He slipped not ghoul when we first started talking today. So my check cannot have independent verification as he slipped it.
Do anyone sane really believe thatMAFIA GOONwho isANTI-Scourgecan showGhoulto a Cop?!
Albert B. Rampageslipped not "not Ghoul", he slippedBurning Legionwho is known to be town.
What did you want to check here? Him being a real PR to kill him?
This is so true. Strong point made by Nether.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1312, Titus wrote:In post 1310, Vedith wrote:In post 1305, Titus wrote:In post 1302, Vedith wrote:In post 1296, Titus wrote:I'm presuming so.
So then what use are you in the game in all honesty? And I really don't mean to sound harsh, but sure all goons will just claim VT?
I never get this kind of Cop personally...
If all the scum are goons, I'm a named townie and thus useless. Not denying that fact. I'd bet scum have a PR somewhere.
Okay, so you find out for example ABR has a power. Now how do we decide if he is scum or town PR?
This is what I mean by your role... It's of little use. If anything, it tells scum who not to shoot.
It detects who is lying about their role. That is useful. *shrug*
It's not like I wanted to claim my result anyway. I was wagoned and forced to.
But you're saying that you know that Nether will come up as ghoul so you refuse to check him. So you're a useless role.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1318, Vedith wrote:In post 1316, Albert B. Rampage wrote:But you're saying that you know that Nether will come up as ghoul so you refuse to check him. So you're a useless role.
Exactly! It basically a role that can't prove her case...
I'd argue that it can, but she doesn't want to accept the possibility that Nether is actually town because she's so entrenched in her position. She's afraid that checking him will make him an untouchable scum player that will lose town the game. Finally, she thinks that if she flips, we will "finally believe her".
She's not using her brain to think clearly.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I think if Nether is scum, he will show up as non ghoul to Titus tonight.
Her understanding of the flavor and mechanics is very narrow, so she reverts to her irrational fear of Nether being a godfather crumbing VT. lolGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1439, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 1433, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Town on Bard, FA, Nether. Null on the rest. At this point, Shiro knows that if he dies, we will look through his posts with a fine-tooth comb. Is he really going to have both his scumbuddies in his town pile with one town (Nether/FA)? I wouldn't do that. I would have one in my town pile, and one in my null. He has to play safe.
Considering I am town and nether and I were the ones in his town pile that actually backs a nether lynch.
In the post you quoted Vedith is not even mentioned and Bard is in his null pile.
There is indeed evidence in my case on Vedith that makes Nether look like scum.
Would Nether-scum hammer in such a wishy washy way?
Bard tunneled on Nether for all of Day 2. Considering Nether is his last scumbuddy, wouldn't he put more effort into Day 2 than sitting back with a parked vote on Nether?
It could be, but I view it as less likely than Vedith being scum.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1439, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 1433, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Town on Bard, FA, Nether. Null on the rest. At this point, Shiro knows that if he dies, we will look through his posts with a fine-tooth comb. Is he really going to have both his scumbuddies in his town pile with one town (Nether/FA)? I wouldn't do that. I would have one in my town pile, and one in my null. He has to play safe.
Considering I am town and nether and I were the ones in his town pile that actually backs a nether lynch.
In the post you quoted Vedith is not even mentioned and Bard is in his null pile.
Shiro has bard, you, and Nether as town. He didn't mention Vedith. This is exactly what I said and you repeated. What I'm saying is that if he thought he had a chance of being flipped, he knew that we would look through his posts to find his scumbuddies, so obviously his first instinct to throw both his scumbuddies in his town pile would backfire, so I think he put one buddy in his town pile (Bard), and one in his null (Vedith).
In post 1441, Vedith wrote:Why wouldn't he? If it was a no lynch, he would look suspicious as fuck...
He was against the lynch the whole time, even it was said that Titus would be looked into after.
ABR, have you played with town Titus before?
I played with town Titus before, sure.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1442, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In the post you quotedVedith is not even mentionedand Bard is in his null pile.
Vedith is mentioned indirectly, "the rest are null".Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1444, Vedith wrote:So then you know she makes sense as town...
What? No. She's a stubborn town and she's wrong about who the scum are at a much higher rate than I am, in the games I've read or been involved in. Her biggest weakness is confirmation bias. She doesn't second guess herself. She's a much better scum player than I am, and I give credit to her vote analysis which come up with interesting things, and enjoy her presence in games. There's no evidence to suggest she is right in this game, given misguided posts like these:
In post 1148, Call of the Wild wrote:Bard's not flipping scum, so that's illusory.
In post 1113, Call of the Wild wrote:VOTE: Bard
Bard will flip town. You'll shoot or vig or lynch Nether tomorrow. If you don't, we lynch you.
If I'm wrong, you can lynch/vig me tomorrow.
Nether's scum. Bard's town but I'm not getting through to you because you think town actually crumb VT and are town. Buddying is town. You have a pride issue. So do I. Yours gets in the way of seeing optimal play.
I dragged her kicking and screaming behind the glorious Bard bandwagon. There's no reason I should now blindly follow her off the bridge.
In post 1444, Vedith wrote:Did you even seen the refusal of Nether voting Bard all day yesterday?
Sure. I'm not looking at this game on a superficial layer only. I go levels deep. That's why I'm predictive of scum planning and execution. All signs point to you as scum.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Look, I'm not saying Nether isn't scum. He's pretty high up on my list of possible scum. I advocate lynching you, if you flip town against all expectations, shooting Nether is a reasonable choice for Anatole and I would back him up on that decision any day of the week. Either way, we win. Everybody has their job and assignments, and we're going to do things in the order that makes logical sense. Most suspicious > least suspicious.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1447, Vedith wrote:But they don't... I didn't think you were town, but if you are, then you are just playing so badly...
Scum points to Nether, but you are just being too arrogant to see it. Why do you think he is kissing your arse today?
Nether has been buddying many players since Day 1. This was one of Titus' main points against him. He buddies. Is there evidence that he doesn't buddy as town that will be presented shortly?
I'm light years ahead of you man. I know you're impressed by me. You can tell me all about it in the post-game
All this town needs to do is read my case on you and finish you off, regardless of claim status. Don't disappoint me, Anatole.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1311, Titus wrote:You could always go door number 3. I'm an unreptenant asshole tired of dealing with dumbasses who fakeclaimed Ghoul cop to try and get Nether lynched but is a coward to go full monte.
Titus, if you're reading, you're a fucking asshole, but you're my kind of asshole, and I disagree with the part where you call me a dumbass asshole. I enjoyed playing with you and never got that frustrated at you; you're good people and fun to play with.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1450, Netherspite wrote:@Vedith
If you're so sure I'm scum why don't just let us lynch you and NK me?
We'll win anyway.
Why the order of the kills matters for you so much?
Vedith, this plan works for you as well? It works for me.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1453, Vedith wrote:everything points to you as scum.
Only at a very surface level reading.
In post 1453, Vedith wrote:Overall I think you will flip scum, but I'm not betting it 100%.
Alright, then how sure are you of Nether being scum in %? And what's the rest of the % breakdown in the remaining living players, for the sake of small talk while everyone else chimes in and votes you?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1456, Vedith wrote:In post 1454, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Vedith, this plan works for you as well? It works for me.
I can stop the last scum from shooting... So that is why it matters... Seriously... You guys are so bad.
Explain.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Performer ranks low on my scum list because Call of the Wild was after Gale Day 1, but it's good to confirm that Vedith is a roleblocker. Vedith, your claim is becoming more believable. Can you explain the flavor of your ability?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1484, Shinobi wrote:In post 1479, Anatole Kuragin wrote:why would you block a confirmed vig over possible scum...
Hold up.
What?
Vedith blocked Anatole, keeping him from killing performer.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1480, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Because you threatened to kill him as a joke and he took it seriously.
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In post 1490, FA_Q2 wrote:Why the interest in blocking me?
In post 1491, FA_Q2 wrote:
Just in case.
Performer is town because Shiro wouldn't attack Gale like that D1.
Anatole is town.
Vedith is likely to be a town roleblocker.
I caught the bulletproof, roleblocking scum, and am town.
That leaves you, inte, netherspite, and shinobi. If all fails, then all we have to do is lynch Shinobi/you and win.
I'm a bulletproof bodyguard, so scum has no chance of winning this.
In post 1488, Anatole Kuragin wrote:he should have known i was joking when i took the time to affirm that i was not joking
If that is not the most convoluted logic ever.
No, I follow his logic perfectly. Vedith was paranoid and blocked him out of survivalism. There was a low chance of Anatole actually killing him.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Just in case.In post 1490, FA_Q2 wrote:Why the interest in blocking me?
Performer is town because Shiro wouldn't attack Gale like that D1.
Anatole is town.
Vedith is likely to be a town roleblocker.
I caught the bulletproof, roleblocking scum, and am town.
That leaves you, inte, netherspite, and shinobi. If all fails, then all we have to do is lynch Shinobi/you and win.
I'm a bulletproof bodyguard, so scum has no chance of winning this.
In post 1491, FA_Q2 wrote:
In post 1488, Anatole Kuragin wrote:he should have known i was joking when i took the time to affirm that i was not joking
If that is not the most convoluted logic ever.
No, I follow his logic perfectly. Vedith was paranoid and blocked him out of survivalism. There was a low chance of Anatole actually killing him.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 1512, Netherspite wrote:Vedith is likely to be scum, however double scum roleblocker is unlikely...
?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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