Mini 1722: Warcraft III - Reign of MAFIA (DOOM HAS COME)

[Shinobi]

Confirm.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: brantz
The spelling of that character is completely wrong.

[Shinobi]

ABR why do you even care about that table so much?
Most of those things aren't even from WC3.

[Shinobi]

I don't know what an adept is.

[Shinobi]

Actually I think ABR slipped l think He meant to say character(possible cause scourge) but accidentally said role. It makes no sense to say the one role he didn't want when roles are closed and you can't anticipate anything.

VOTE:ABR

I don't particularly understand this. Can you elaborate a bit?
And if flavor is such a big deal to you, what do you think of Brantz and his incorrect assessment of flavor earlier on?

VOTE: Shiro

serious vote

Why?

[Shinobi]

Do people really think that the Burning Legion and the Scourge aren't on the same side or what?

[Shinobi]

In the game, the Scourge ends up fighting the Burning Legion so I made false assumptions.

I think that's a different game.

[Shinobi]

In the game, the Scourge ends up fighting the Burning Legion so I made false assumptions.

I think that's a different game.

In WC3 the frozen throne, the scourge fight the burning legion. Arthas / Sylvanas / Anub'Arak vs. Illidan Vashj Balnazar etc.

This was the one I was going to suggest.
The issue is that that's TFT - ROC is the game we're looking at right now, so that whole fight hasn't happened yet.

Scourge should be fine tbh.

[Shinobi]

Arthas v. Mal'Ganis in Reign of Chaos

Arthas was still a paladin at that juncture so I don't think that really applies, unless I'm seriously forgetting something.
Even then, wasn't that fight more personal than anything else? I don't really remember the details.

I'm aware this discussion isn't terribly constructive but I loved WC3 as a kid and the story was so interesting to me.

Some people need to start talking more.

Then help me wagon brantz or something.

[Shinobi]

Yeah! You guys should help Shinobi wagon me!

Posts like this are not endearing with the little to nothing you've already produced.

[Shinobi]

I'm definitely town.

Alright, let's do this.

Vote: Shiro

What exactly warranted this? Is this just based on the fact that he suspects you?

[Shinobi]

I'm definitely town.

Alright, let's do this.

Vote: Shiro

What exactly warranted this? Is this just based on the fact that he suspects you?

His suspicion of me seemed confused and short-lived. That's not the reason. He has posted a lot and appears to be a bumbling fool (in a funny and lovable way). I don't trust guys like that.

Why not?

[Shinobi]

Why not?

deliberately not suspicious

What would you expect from town, then?

[Shinobi]

This game is boring.

[Shinobi]

Shiro is giving me mixed feelings.

vote shiro

Let's see how this goes.

Why?

I didn't understand it, can someone explain to me what happened in basic mafia terms?

What needs explaining exactly?

[Shinobi]

Vezok I still don't even know why you're voting Shiro.

[Shinobi]

I don't understand how Shiro's claim makes him third party.

[Shinobi]

This game is boring.

Only for lack of commenting.

Want it to be more interesting - say something. For the most part Shiro seems to be out - do you have any reads. From your ISO I get nothing at all. You mentioned Vezok's vote but not what you think of his alignment.

Sure.

Off the top of my head - I think you're town.
I kind of think Shiro is town.
I liked TSB's entrance, so townlean there.

I don't really like vezok so much, mostly because his analysis of Shiro seems skin-deep.
I'm already voting brantz so that shouldn't be much of a mystery at this point.

That's kind of where I'm at atm.

[Shinobi]

This game is boring.

Only for lack of commenting.

Want it to be more interesting - say something. For the most part Shiro seems to be out - do you have any reads. From your ISO I get nothing at all. You mentioned Vezok's vote but not what you think of his alignment.

Sure.

Off the top of my head - I think you're town.
I kind of think Shiro is town.
I liked TSB's entrance, so townlean there.

I don't really like vezok so much, mostly because his analysis of Shiro seems skin-deep.
I'm already voting brantz so that shouldn't be much of a mystery at this point.

That's kind of where I'm at atm.

brantz was an rvs vote for you, was it not?

At the time.
I haven't seen anything to warrant removing my vote in any way, so it stays.

And no, I'm not putting vezok to L-1 yet.

[Shinobi]

Guys I am in Limited Access (Busy), please Tag / Highlight me in posts, if you want a response. I don't have any strong reads as of now, and can't really find anything alarming except for ABR's fanatics of the game. Which could have been a distraction tactic, although I am currently leaning on him just being a fan of the game.

Really mate?

You have no reads whatsoever?

Yeah, that was a pretty bad post by gale.

[Shinobi]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gale

[Shinobi]

What does that mean?

[Shinobi]

Game is just kinda boring tbf.

[Shinobi]

So what is your 3p role? Half assed claims are meh!

Since you write "also". Do you believe Shiro to be third party?

Claiming now I assume you do not agree with vezo regarding lynching 3 p. Is vezo scummier or townier for wanting to lynch 3p?

I am just neutral man.

I just need to survive the war.

W. T. H.

Why? Why would you claim at this time?

When else should he claim?
Do you have some sort of issue with his claim?

[Shinobi]

I've got an issue. If you're going to claim your role, claim your flavor.

Sure, I can back this.

[Shinobi]

I'll catch up as soon as I'm off work.

[Shinobi]

Yeah, in the game where Firebringer claims PR is when he is actually scum.

VOTE: Firebringer

What exactly does this mean?

EBWOP, I mean claims anything other than Vanilla Townie.

I don't think he is the survivor, and his post #247 tells me that he is mafia who is trying to claim survivor. And since people expect that to be a desperation move by mafia. They wouldn't expect someone to do that early on.

This still seems relatively convoluted and doesn't really address the plausibility of someone claiming survivor as survivor.

[Shinobi]

i was testing his grit obv

3p should definitely die but its lower on my radar

why are these four people voting vezok: BRantz, Vedith, Netherspite, The Silver Bard

I don't like this post: it reeks of doubtcasting.

[Shinobi]

Why are we all super concerned with 3p claims exactly?

[Shinobi]

Why are we all super concerned with 3p claims exactly?

because we have one right in front of us...

We have a situation that is going to need to be dealt with at some point. I don't understand the resistance.

Sure but killing him doesn't actually get us any closer to winning if he actually is 3p.

[Shinobi]

ok fa is ignored for being a dumbass

You've answered none of his/mine reasoning so this isn't really going to cut it.

I don't have an issue with you claiming your ability. That I feel is pro town, its the rest of if that makes the whole thing worthless.

Clever thought.
But we don't know if he realized that or not.

What exactly are you implying?

[Shinobi]

Seriously, why are we trying to lynch FB? He obviously isn't an antitown third party + there are scummy people to talk about.

[Shinobi]

Sure but I don't understand why that makes him our top lynch candidate.
Is that

really

completely outside the realm of a possible 3p role in this game?

[Shinobi]

The point is to kill mafia.
A 3p that claimed the way that FB did is never going to be mafia.

Try again town.

[Shinobi]

The point is to kill mafia.
A 3p that claimed the way that FB did is never going to be mafia.

Try again town.

What do you mean, Try again Town? Are you survivor too?

...No?

The point is to kill mafia.
A 3p that claimed the way that FB did is never going to be mafia.

Try again town.

What do you mean, Try again Town? Are you survivor too?

Can we all agree that Gale is really scummy and should take priority over 3ps ?

Yes.

The fact that he is 3p is enough reason for a lynch.

Day 1 scum lynch has like 10% chance of happening. Killing 3p is the best thing we could do.

This is also probably mafia.

[Shinobi]

Firebringer could be a serial killer for all we know.

So what's the point of him claiming 3p if it means he's just going to get autolynched for it?

[Shinobi]

Sure.
And then two people die because he's actually a serial killer.

Where does everyone look for a 3p killing role with a claimed 3p in the game?

[Shinobi]

Mehhhhhhhh.

[Shinobi]

What makes you think he's a serial killer?
Or are you just into the whole "kill him because 3p" spiel.

[Shinobi]

Guys, have you not watched survivor? Get rid of the swing vote, because you don't know when they would turn against you.

Also, Firebringer's claim of voting along with Town is bs. How will we know if he is voting along with town, or voting along with scum, leading us to mislynches?

I don't know about you guys, but I can't trust 3Ps for sure.

Didn't you think he was mafia before? What changed?

[Shinobi]

But I want to lynch Gale.

[Shinobi]

Ok my resolve to lynch him just got raised to 11

Classic new player replacing at the sign of early pressure

You want to lynch before we hear from the replacement....

I have not seen this mythical new player replaces when pressured but have seen this argument eluded to many times.

What's the conclusion you're drawing from this?

[Shinobi]

I didn't like it.

lol

[Shinobi]

I'll yolo hammer this in a bit if we're absolutely dead set on lynching him at some point.
At the very least it gets us to focus on actual suspects.

[Shinobi]

Yeah, I know it's dumb but what can we do?

[Shinobi]

I'm going to wait until our new players all catch up and do things before voting.
Otherwise I have very little to add at this juncture.

Pedit - Yeah I really don't think this is a fantastic use of our time/lynch but it's not like I can convince these guys to do anything else atm.

[Shinobi]

I'm just looking to make sure that lynching FB is the right course of action.
Why do you want to rush this? I already said that I will vote that way if gets late to a lynch.

Why do I want to rush this? Because we are doing absolutely nothing. Nobody is posting interesting stuff. Everyone is hung up on Firebringer. He needs to go. Dragging the day is the best way to sow apathy.

We've been giving out alternatives - you're the one harping on it.

[Shinobi]

I'm super unimpressed by that catchup.
At best I'd classify it as a bunch of omgus - even beyond that the reasoning is rather poor.

Defending 3p is scummy - why?
It's not for other players - why?
Your points on Shiro aren't good or particularly valid either.

[Shinobi]

3p aren't here to help town and they eventually have to be dealt with. I don't see any reason to defend them.

Aside from the fact that they're not mafia and we gain nothing from lynching them?
Face it - FB is a safe lynch and, while he isn't necessarily town, there's no reason to assume that he's mafia or a good lynch for any reason other than the fact that he's claimed 3p.

I don't see what you mean by "not for other players."

You talked about Netherspite defending FB but scumread me for doing the same without distinguishing the difference between the two.

What in the points at Shiro, aren't valid?

Any of them? He wants to lynch you so he's mafia =/= a good argument.

[Shinobi]

If Shiro and I aren't your scumreads, who are your real scumreads then?

[Shinobi]

Has anyone played with Performer before?
I'm kind of inclined to do some meta diving.

I know Silver has but other than that, who?

[Shinobi]

I've played with him when he's been town and when he's been scum. One game of each.

~SW

Is there anything you can tell us about him?

[Shinobi]

I'll hammer in the morning.
If anyone has anything else to say, say so soonish.

[Shinobi]

Bleh this wagon was scum motivated


A survivor that is risky to night kill and truly wants to town side

Jeez I wonder why mafia wanted them lynched

*rolls eyes*

Seriously.

[Shinobi]

I'm agreeing with you.

[Shinobi]

I'm the vig guys.

This is for not lynchig all third parties.

No reason to claim here. Stop claiming for no reason people.

So Shiro turned town if his scumbuddies die, is that the gist of it?

I am reading it as Shiro loses.

betray them and become a Death Knight. This means that to win, One of REDACTED and REDACTED has to live to endgame.

(If you remain alone - you lose!)

Can more people comment on this?

What's there to comment on? It seems relatively straightforward.

[Shinobi]

Seems like he just loses if his scumbuddies die.

[Shinobi]

What would even be the point of having a traitor that townsides when his partners are dead?
What's stopping him from immediately giving town their names? The concept makes no sense.

Pedit - it's probably just flavor, I wouldn't be too concerned about it.

[Shinobi]

Mod: what happens if the traitor is shot by mafia?

[Shinobi]

I ran a traitor in Apocalypse, and he converted when he was shot by mafia.
I have a theory but it's kinda tinfoil so I'll hold off until the mod clarifies.

[Shinobi]

I ran a traitor in Apocalypse, and he converted when he was shot by mafia.
I have a theory but it's kinda tinfoil so I'll hold off until the mod clarifies.

That would be in his role PM, don't you think so?

Possibly.
Probably.

Regardless, there's no harm in asking.

[Shinobi]

Welp, nevermind.
VOTE: inte

Performer is more likely to be town.
FA has dropped a few pegs on my townlist though.

[Shinobi]

Prod received.
Catching up in a bit.

[Shinobi]

I think scum opposed the Shirowagon after he claimed. The ones who kept pushing it up until Firebringer claimed was vezo and ABR. I think it is ulikely that any of them are scum. vezo have also claimed vig so he is highly unlikely to be scum.

inte also threw in a vote on Shiro, but without any pressure or push. So his behaviour on the Shiro wagon is a null.

Those who opposed it was Vedith, Netherspite, FA_Q2 and Shinobi.

Vedith - I kind of have a townread on from the way he tried to spark activity back into the thread near the end of day 1. So I won't go here for today (even though I don't like his vote on me, without any reason).

Netherspite - Even though his iso doesn't say alot, I think he is the least scummy of the 3 remaining. He was defending Shiro so hard, if he was scum and knew Shiro was his teammate I don't think he would have defended him that hard.

FA_Q2 - Have been pushing inte and Performer. Other thant that not that much going on in his iso. I get a little suspicious that Shinobi labels him as a townread in one of his/hers posts. Slightly more scummy than Netherspite.

Shinobi - Haven't been really pushing anyone at all. His posts looks uninspired and he even wrote that he was bored in one of them, sounds like scum making excuses. Also didn't defend Shiro that hard, just named him town and moved on. I think Shinobi should be our lynch today.

VOTE: Shinobi

/yawn
Can't say I'm super interested in you saying that I "sound like scum," nor whatever it is about Shiro seems to be your issue.

Yeah , shinobi, who are your scum reads?

Probably the people I talked about in post #630.

[Shinobi]

post 666 ^ obviously scum

Uhhhhhh why?

[Shinobi]

Not an eventful catchup but I'm okay with that at 12:30 AM.
Despite the rather slow pace of the game, I'm happy with my vote on inte.
TSB's vote is bad but I'm not sure that makes him scum, knowing people having penchants for tunneling me/scumreading me for mediocre reasoning.

Very little to comment on otherwise.

Pedit - Oh lol.

[Shinobi]

Can we not hammer until I get home at least?

[Shinobi]

Can we not hammer until I get home at least?

If you have concern, then why not unvote until you get home?

Can we not hammer until I get home at least?

Yes please.
No reason to hammer that early.

You too...

I'm expecting some degree of competency from this playerlist - it's not like someone is going to quickhammer unintentionally at this juncture.

If you have concern, then why not unvote until you get home?

see why they're in my scum pile?

No?
The best I've gotten from you is "gut" which is basically nothing, unless you're calling this a case.

[Shinobi]

Abr should I expect some sort of reasoning from you at some point or is this all I can expect?
It really bugs me that I wound up in your scum pile after you know how often and frequently people are suspicious of me for next to nothing. I'm expecting something more than whatever it is you're doing right now.

[Shinobi]

Your thoughts on inte Shinobi.

Scum's in inte/Nether/TSB/Vezok. Agree or Disagree?

Well I'm voting inte, which should just about cover that.
I kind of think TSB is just bad? I didn't really think his conclusions were all that weird at the time outside of him calling me mafia but pretty much everyone does that all the time so w/e.
Don't particularly understand the Nether scumreads either.

Why is FA in your townlist?

Pedit - Yeah I know but I'm going to ask anyway because I'm stubborn like that.

[Shinobi]

So I looked at the post in question wrt FA and I don't understand what's so towny about it.
Elaborate?

[Shinobi]

So I looked at the post in question wrt FA and I don't understand what's so towny about it.
Elaborate?

Scum don't accuse their buddies of slipping if they must survive until end game. No more than 25% odds of FA being scum.

I've literally never heard of this being a thing, ever.

[Shinobi]

Abr should I expect some sort of reasoning from you at some point or is this all I can expect?
It really bugs me that I wound up in your scum pile after you know how often and frequently people are suspicious of me for next to nothing. I'm expecting something more than whatever it is you're doing right now.

If you were really concerned about someone hammering, as can often happen with town on town violence, you would have unvoted. You were just parroting some lines while doing nothing to prevent a quickhammer.

Nah I just don't like things happening while I'm not here.
Inte is probably scum so him dying is cool with me.

[Shinobi]

I don't actually understand what abr's issue is.

[Shinobi]

Like?

A better idea would be putting up a case for someone else that is more convincing.

Nether is the backup. She kisses his ass. He's buddied everyone. Not a fan.

Inte/Nether for scum.

Shinobi/TSB are long shots.

All others are town but Vezok might be an SK. Best to let scum handle it.

What the flying fuck are you talking about? Do you think 8 town against 5 anti-town is a fair game? Are you out of your mind?

Uhhhhhh what? How exactly did you draw this conclusion?

[Shinobi]

Like?

A better idea would be putting up a case for someone else that is more convincing.

Nether is the backup. She kisses his ass. He's buddied everyone. Not a fan.

Inte/Nether for scum.

Shinobi/TSB are long shots.

All others are town but Vezok might be an SK. Best to let scum handle it.

What the flying fuck are you talking about? Do you think 8 town against 5 anti-town is a fair game? Are you out of your mind?

Uhhhhhh what? How exactly did you draw this conclusion?

3 scum team, 1 survivor,

and

1 SK?

Yeah that's what I get for posting as soon as I wake up.

Please everyone answer

, I want to know who is willing to lynch those in this list, whether today or day 3:

Netherspite
Bard
Call of the Wild
Shinobi

Thank you for your cooperation.

Shinobi and Inte did you answer this question?

Pretty sure I've given reads on all of these players with the exception of CotW.
My scumreads are obvious at this juncture.

[Shinobi]

I still want to lynch inte and FA.

[Shinobi]

Pretty sure I've given reads on all of these players with the exception of CotW.
My scumreads are obvious at this juncture.

Why haven't you given a read on us yet?
~SW

@Shinobi

Because I don't need to.

[Shinobi]

@915, Yes you're refusal to vote scum is absurd. You're wanting people to ignore us despite voting us is absurd.

@Shinobi, inte or Nether are doable. Why not Nether?

I refuse to lynch someone that is doing stuff over one that is not.

[Shinobi]

@915, Yes you're refusal to vote scum is absurd. You're wanting people to ignore us despite voting us is absurd.

@Shinobi, inte or Nether are doable. Why not Nether?

I refuse to lynch someone that is doing stuff over one that is not.

He's not though. Show me where he's doing something please.

Also, that hedge is really annoying.

I know it is but I have this nasty tendency to townread you when you start posting walls full of things I can follow, something I know you're talented enough to do as mafia. Give me more time and I'll try to come up with something concrete.

As for your distinction between Nether and inte, you might not like it but at least Nether is doing something wrt pushing you - I don't recall agreeing with what he was saying but it's infinitely better than inte's whole ISO.

[Shinobi]

I've seen enough.

VOTE: Call of the Wild

Vezok, Vedith, follow my lead.

Why?

[Shinobi]

Playing the victim isn't doing anything Shinobi. He's not pushing us but claiming we're big bad evil scum for calling him out.

Playing the victim is absolutely something.
Pedit: That's not enough Abr.
And Bard is infinitely more useful than fucking inte.

[Shinobi]

Sorry, I didn't really come on yesterday.
Okay, lets see.

UNVOTE: Bard
VOTE: CotW

This will be interesting to see who joins and who doesn't...
If Shinobi refuses to vote anyone else then yeah, that will look bad for him.

Um. What?

[Shinobi]

Any of it.

[Shinobi]

Will catch up once I'm off work.

[Shinobi]

Catching up.

[Shinobi]

Read 885 please. It's a scumclaim to crumb VT.

[Shinobi]

Shinobi, finish this. Let's get some conclusion. Place your vote.

Probably just going to vote CotW tbh.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: cotw
Fine. Let's do it.

[Shinobi]

I laughed irl.
You checked ABR and we're bad?
klol

[Shinobi]

I'm here.
What's the time left in the day?

[Shinobi]

Nevermind, I just checked.
Bard should claim, consider this intent to hammer.

[Shinobi]

Well well well.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: inte
Nothing has changed wrt this slot.

[Shinobi]

Will catch up when I'm home.

[Shinobi]

why would you block a confirmed vig over possible scum...

Hold up.
What?

[Shinobi]

Why?

[Shinobi]

If this game is winnable by me doing nothing then I'll take it.

[Shinobi]

If this game is winnable by me doing nothing then I'll take it.

Hmmm....

Isn't that totally unsatisfying though?

Nope!

[Shinobi]

Intent to hammer.

I believe he already claimed but I'm letting you all know I'm gonna do this pretty soon.

[Shinobi]

Why is it that every time I try to lynch someone you all shoot off in 5 different directions?

[Shinobi]

Where is everyone?

Why break up the leading wagon and then vanish...

Also a question I asked.
Is there some kind of conclusion that you can infer from this?

[Shinobi]

Also as an aside, I'm totally cool with votes piling onto inte.
Not a whole lot that I can add otherwise but I know I'm sagging activity wise and everyone has vanished, so.

[Shinobi]

I'd rather lynch most of the players in this game over shinobi and the above quoted post makes FA or Vedoth more likely scum than Nether, imo.

What quote?

[Shinobi]

@#1543 - That makes sense.

[Shinobi]

Prodge, catchup tomorrow.

[Shinobi]

HI.

[Shinobi]

Did you guys lynch me while I wasn't here?

[Shinobi]

Sure, here's something:

[Shinobi]

I'm glad Shinobi was lynched regardless... He wasn't going to try and help today.

Rude.

[Shinobi]

Well if you are town, you have just decided to not give any input while in Twilight.

Yeah, just like you decided to lynch me without letting me post first.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Shinobi]

No it's not.

[Shinobi]

You didn't participate day 3, why would we wait for you to do it day 4?

I don't see why I should be overly concerned about posting tons of things while you guys lynch the guy I've been trying to lynch for days.

[Shinobi]

Like I got what I wanted, and have been pushing towards for days.
Inte was lynched.
Idgaf if he was town because he wasn't doing anything and boldfacedly didn't care if he died or not.

[Shinobi]

Scum is probably in the quickvoters.
Doubtful that it's ABR but I guess it could be. The claim is meaningless because ABR does that shit all the time but he looks better than the others so he's low on my list.
Performer's vote here is trash but he's getting shot so that might be game.
Nether is an ass so shooting him for funsies would be entertaining and would warm my soul.
Vedith claimed something so probably don't lynch him.

[Shinobi]

@shos lol

@Shin dude...Ved claimed before d4, even before n3. He claimed earlier in the game.

Yeah but I'm not leaving him out of my readslist.

[Shinobi]

I thought the bit where he tried to lynch between Nether and ABR and finally settled on you before switching back to me was really weird but it doesn't really outweigh the claim unless something crazy happens.

[Shinobi]

I'M ALIVE.
GLORIOUS DAY.

[Shinobi]

I can accept the fact that I'll likely be lynched today regardless but people should have some kind of alternative suspect for when I inevitably flip town.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: performer
Sure.

[Shinobi]

Oh, and my big post regarding Shin about the vote count on end of d1 , as well as other things in my case?

Anyway. I'm getting prepared for night class so I'm out for the rest of the day.

iirc they were pretty weak.

[Shinobi]

The gist of it was "Shin was wrong so he's scum" which is inherently useless and never made anyone mafia.
So meh to all of it.

[Shinobi]

This game was very unlucky for scum.
It started with Shiro thinking he was town and erring. he managed to get out of the D1 lynch nicely, but couldn't fool the vig, who shot him straight up.

Then, of all the dead townies, not a single town PR died. I have no idea how bard got lynched, too, but that really was a nail in the coffin.

I wish the sheep didn't die D1. that was a bad claim, and the role could play out realllly interesting, who knows to which faction's favor.


oh well, good game though, congratulations to town and thanks to all for participating. I might make another game like this, with the factions upside down (this time alliance would be town..)

here's the list of PMs:

Role PMs and whoever got them:

Spoiler: Role PMs

Shiro.

Good evening, your Majesty.

You are

Arthas, Crown Prince of Lordaeron and Knight of the Silver Hand

, son of king Terenas and the rightful heir to his throne. In this game, throughout, you will be in Human form - that is, betraying your father and kingdom is not a part of this game. Maybe next time, in a bastard mod game..

You have been trained to be a Paladin by Uther, and now, you are super powerful. You will do everything in your power to protect your kingdom. Even if it means to corrupt your soul..

Your abilities:

1.

Holy Light

- At night, you may choose to heal a person. That player cannot die that night.
In order for your Mana to fill, you must wait at least one night without using it between two heals.

2. You are a

Traitor

. You know that

Shinobi

is Thrall and

ShadedMelee

is Cenarius, and they share your win condition. They do not know who you are.

3. You

ARE

Arthas. You know that no other version of you exists in the game.

4.

Betrayal.

If both of your allies die, you will betray them and become a Death Knight. This means that to win, One of Cenarius and Thrall has to live to endgame. (If you remain alone - you lose!)

Win Condition:

You win when the Undead Scourge is wiped from Azeroth, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

ShadedMelee:

Lord of the land

You are

Cenarius! A Demigod, son to the goddess Elune herself.

Master of the Druids of all races, and a Demigod in Azeroth, you are a being of immense power. Your divinity is obviously attributed to your mother, Elune, the Goddess worshipped the most by the elves. You are determined to remove the Demon filth from the land. That mustn't happen.

Your Abilities:

1.

Divine:

Regular beings cannot hurt you. You are completely immune to night kills.

2.

Entangle:

Heart of the land as you are, you have full control of the roots and trees. Once a night, you may target a person. The roots will entangle him, and he will not be able to perform any action at all.

3. You are a member of the

Alliance,

along with

Thrall -

Shinobi

, and a human ally who is in hiding. You can talk here at nights.

4. Banished into undeath, you know that Sylvanas Windrunner, or in her new form -

The Dark Lady

, is not in the game. Truly it is a shame that such a great Ranger-General of the elves was turned undead..

Win Condition:

You win when the Undead Scourge is wiped from Azeroth, or nothing can prevent that from happening. At least one of you and Thrall has to stay alive for that to happen.

Shinobi:

Warchief!

You are

Thrall, Son of Durotan, Warchief of the Orcish Horde.

You are a valiant warrior and maintain some magic ability, and are very wise. In the fight over the land, you will do everything you can to save it from the Undead, even if it is the last thing you do..

Your Abilities:

1.

Far Sight:

Once per night you may choose a player in the game. You will receive information about is role. (rolecop)

2. You are a member of the

Alliance,

along with

Cenarius -

ShadedMelee

, and a human ally who is in hiding. You can talk here at nights.

3. You know that no

Revenants

are in the game. If there were, surely you'd sense their magical powers...but you don't. You also don't feel

Kil'jaeden

's presence.

Win Condition:

You win when the Undead Scourge is wiped from Azeroth, or nothing can prevent that from happening. At least one of you and Cenarius has to stay alive for that to happen.

Firebringer:

BAAAAAH!!!

CLICK ME

You are a

Sheep.

Bah bah bahbah baaaaah. BAH! Bah bah bah. baaaaaaaaaaah. BAAAH!!! BAA! BAHHHHHHHH!!

BAAA---

*BOOM*

*silence*

Your abilities:

1. Dude. You're a sheep. You can't do shit but actually shit.

2.

EXPLOSIVE

: As an easter egg in both Warcraft II and III, if the player clicks on you so many times in a row, you explode. This will yield mucho blood everywhere and make a small earthquake.

As such, if throughout the game, players target you more than once, you will explode. That explosion will kill both you, and the one who had targetted you second.

Win Condition:

You don't care at all about the game. Like at all. You just need to survive. Live to endgame.

In case you die, and lose, you are entitled to one EPIC BAH POST - because you're a sheep, duh. We will discuss this if that happens

Vedith:

Hello, Dreadlord.

You are

Tichondrius, leader of the Nathrezim of the Burning Legion.

You have been chosen by your master Kil'jaeden to command the whole Death-knight-to-Lich-King transformation. As his subject you must obey, even if you don't like this job. This role also puts you in charge of certain Scourge operations.

Your abilities:

1.

Sleep

- At night, you may choose to put a person to sleep for the night. That person will not be able to use his actions that night. (Roleblock)

Win Condition:

You win when the Undead Scourge has destroyed Azeroth, and taken control over it entirely; or nothing can prevent that from happening.

Vezokpiraka:

I beg your pardon, MASTER...

You are

Archimond.

You are, along with Kil'jaeden, the leader of the Burning Legion, and master of the undead scourge and its demons. Nothing can match your immense power. You are ruthless and powerful, and you WILL get what you want.

Your abilities:

1.

Divine Superpower

- You are not to be resisted. If you wish, at any night you may PM me a name of a player. That player will be killed. (Vigilante)

Win Condition:

You win when the Undead Scourge has destroyed Azeroth, and taken control over it entirely; or nothing can prevent that from happening.

FA_Q2:

The Lich King calls..

You are

Kel'Thuzad,

a powerful archmage formerly and an agent of the Lich King now.

As ordered by the Lich King, you founded the

Cult of the Damned

, and are now working your way through his plan. Immortality and immense power are your cravings, and as the Lich King promised - you shall earn these.

Your abilities:

1.

Neither alive, nor dead

- You are not a real physical being; you're beyong that. As such, nothing can actually happen to you. You can die, but your death will mean very little.. (Ascetic)

Win Condition:

You win when the Undead Scourge has destroyed Azeroth, and taken control over it entirely; or nothing can prevent that from happening.

Albert B. Rampage:

Hello, Pit Lord.

You are

Mannoroth.

You are a vile Pit Lord, and your cunning makes you one of the most valuable lieutenants of Archimond and Kil'jaeden, leaders of the Burning Legion.

Your abilities:

1.

Demon Skin

- Your skin is thick as hell. It's actually pretty impressive. As a result, nothing can harm you; namely, nothing can kill you at night.

Win Condition:

You win when the Undead Scourge has destroyed Azeroth, and taken control over it entirely; or nothing can prevent that from happening.

BRantz, inte, Netherspite, shaddowez:

PCHH PCHH PSHCK *sounds of cluttering bones*

You are a

Ghoul,

the basic unit and a lumber harvester of the undead Scourge.

You are practically a thing that died, then rose up to be a zombie, then died again or something, and rose again as a truly undead walking corpse. You are a cannibalizing species, and will perform your orders as requested, even if by that it means eating one another..

Your abilities:

<NONE>: You are a VT.

Win Condition:

You win when the Undead Scourge has destroyed Azeroth, and taken control over it entirely; or nothing can prevent that from happening.

Gale Wing Srock:

Your command, Master...

You are an

Acolyte

.

While in fact still Human, you have given yourself over to the power of Ner'zhul, and are likely more fanatic than even the worst undead. You will summon, attack, unsummon, and even sacrifice yourself, if only that is what you are told..

Your abilities:

MY LIFE, for Ner'zhul..

: You are the most fanatic of them all. You know

no other Acolytes exist

. Also, once per night you may transfer a message from your Leader to a target of your choice. I will deliver it exactly as you write.

Sacrifice

: If you are killed in the first time by an undead, you become a

shade.

That means you will not be able to attack(vote), but you will still be alive.

Win Condition:

You win when the Undead Scourge has destroyed Azeroth, and taken control over it entirely; or nothing can prevent that from happening.

Also, this is the scum PT:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=63532

I am so glad this game is over.
That sucked.

[Shinobi]

Idk why that quoted but w/e.
Bard died because he was skirting by pretty obviously.
Idk why Shiro got shot but that was pretty lame for us.

And idk why I wasn't allowed to concede.

[Shinobi]

Any thoughts on my play this game, Silv?

I think you did great. I really enjoyed playing with you in our other games even though we were never of the same alignment until this game and I am really glad you were able to learn something from me as that is very rewarding to hear.

You looked very town this game and you didn't get mislynched. So you did your job very well. I really don't know what the mailman role is all about. Reminds me of Friendly Neighbor and all I would of done is send messages to the most townread people, telling them I was town, maybe giving reads in case I died, and that's about it.

Look forward to playing with you again after I take a brief hiatus to take care of some personal issues when my current games are up. I will be back though and stronger than ever. Good luck in your future games!!

You're being exceptionally nice.

[Shinobi]

Any thoughts on my play this game, Silv?

I think you did great. I really enjoyed playing with you in our other games even though we were never of the same alignment until this game and I am really glad you were able to learn something from me as that is very rewarding to hear.

You looked very town this game and you didn't get mislynched. So you did your job very well. I really don't know what the mailman role is all about. Reminds me of Friendly Neighbor and all I would of done is send messages to the most townread people, telling them I was town, maybe giving reads in case I died, and that's about it.

Look forward to playing with you again after I take a brief hiatus to take care of some personal issues when my current games are up. I will be back though and stronger than ever. Good luck in your future games!!

You're being exceptionally nice.

LOL-I like Performer. We had a good couple games together.

Sure but I don't necessarily think it's wise.

[Shinobi]

@Silv my guess is Shin has a different take and that he has some constructive criticism on my play.

Future projection of dialogue:
Shin - your play could've been improved with X and X
me - ok
Shin - also X and X and X
me - ok...
Shin - oh, and X and X and X and X
me - ....

I don't like your ego.

[Shinobi]

@Shinobi, Why did you kill me?

Why?

I thought you were a rolecop.