Mini 1739: Netherspite's SORM II [To Be Re-Rolled]

[ika]

Fire is acting jester already

Bella ignores me

I'm playing camps in on sc2

[ika]

anyways i got a min to suggest the mass role call idea again

[ika]

VOTE: lane

payback begins. This is gonna be fun.

Hi

patient, Gray, frozen angel

, and hiiiii to the rest of you.

i dont see an ika in here

[ika]

I hate being doc anyways so I'm fine with it

[ika]

TTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

where are you?

[ika]

VOTE: frozen angel

obviualyhasnt read the mayor card nor the doc card

[ika]

bets are on this for not knowing

[ika]

bella.... oh bellaaaaa

[ika]

yush, ika?

Remember, if you are scum, don't kill me

whats are your reads.

also bella we already talked about that. you know how i felt after you revealed it

[ika]

os that who bella isvoteing?

VOTE: lane

[ika]

VOTE: lane

time for night action game

[ika]

VOTE: titus

[ika]

titus hsould knwo by now that MM does jack.

like the fear mongering of a role is sad.

[ika]

gfclaiming cit is like this shittiest thign to do. gf has better chances of claiming bg/sheriff

[ika]

can someone make a list of claims? me and ifre can sort out the actions we have enough expeicne with it to do it. howeveer we should lynch

pedit: fire jsut relaize that titus wil do this mosr often as scum then town. she does it as town sometimes but she all always keep the same thing no amtter what cus she cant realize it

[ika]

Still at work can someon list claims for me I'll make the chart and organize actions

[ika]

Witch doc does not claim doc fyi

[ika]

Witch doc does not claim doc fyi

What would you claim as witch doctor?
Witch? lol

Bg or bus driver is better

You know which doc can't convert unless they save a kill anyways so if you can get lucky n1 with a save you can fake a self bus with a cult

[ika]

Yeah...but if you don't save its horrible looking.
If you do save and one of you gets lynched, it looks worse.

thats the inhertn gambit that comes with it? i mean it doesnt change anythign form claiming doc?

I feel like 9/10 claiming bus driver on the mod wouldn't work.
But it depends on how feedback in this exactly works...are we informed of bus?

its sc2 mafia, bus drving should be informed

mod?

[ika]

@Titus I am not saying we should shut up, but you trying to control actions looks bad even if it makes sense. Do you not understand that?

Nope. Not controlling and expressing thoughts isn't scummy if those thoughts are derived from logical facts.

@ika, Why can't you engage my thoughts?

I have already made this clear to you titus, for my own fuckign sanity and my mental health i am objecitvly ignoring most of your posts right now. If you leave me for mine and i leave you for your right now i think i can manage. I have made it clear to you already.

Give me the lsit of claims and i can wrap up night actions

[ika]

fire do you have the lsit of curent claims?

[ika]

thats 12 out of 13 who we missing?

[ika]

oh P0

pesit: ninja

after we get his claim all roles that can confirm themselfs (killing/power) should claim then ari should. random is claimingg ot be crier/judge right now

let me update the chart i have

[ika]

ok so once we pin down what is killing i cna cordinate the acitons.

im putting fozen as a potential bg right now

[ika]

ok so once we pin down what is killing i cna cordinate the acitons.

im putting fozen as a potential bg right now

:/ because I put you as a potential evil?!

and why we have a mayor when you want to coordinate the night actions?!

becuase i played over 1000 games of this, i knwo how to coordinate night actions. a mayor jsut has town thoughts, they are not the end all.

i hate it when people put that belivef foward like you are now.

and no i didnt put you down as bg cus your calling me evil. your jsut not claiming so that makes me think BG.

[ika]

Well it honestly their is no problem with you putting out a PLAN for night actions, but I think Bella should have final say, and I think any plan she makes should be modified lightly to her own liking, not just sheeped of ours.. In case the original plan was made by scum.

im not opposed to diviating if bella wants to but i woudl say between me and you fire who have the most experince with these type we would optimize it

You want me claim?

Why should I claim my exact protective role for you? Reason me , that won't only hurt the town and I will gladly share it.

and FB said what I wanted to say ...^

honestly claiming would help me figure out the game better and coordinate actions. i mean i cna work out them all (bg/doc), if you are another bus drive i do need to knwo that so we dont paraodx bus driving.

the primary thing is that if your claims makes it easier to decide what bus driver should do

[ika]

forzen say for a moment bella was mashall and that we both got lynched. pretend no other roels got fliped at that time besides us and we both flip town where do you go next?

i mean why are you so intreseted in the evil itself

[ika]

Right now, I am thinking if we got full claims for invests that might best.
We organize who checks who.
Then protectives (which we don't need a full claim till tomorrow) can guard/block/heal whoever Bella picks out.
Roles than can be confirmed don't have to revealed.

to add into this bus driver should bus bella and between ari and a player of their chosing

[ika]

I think you meant random when you said bella . Well then I would be sure 2 random slots are gone at least. I would be sure that there 2 liers in investigator claimers and for sure there is one lier in killer claimers. (both killer claimers were lieing then or 3 of the investigator claimers were lier). and I was going to start thinking PZ is the natural evil.

Well , Why shouldn't I be interested in finding evil? I think I have a solid approach against this role right now .

no i mean tbella being a marshall i was refering to me and whoever else you were calling evil (random i take it)

im asking why you are spicifily looking for the neutral evil. cus thats a very easy scum tactic to utalize to look like you scum hunting.

[ika]

you have been swapped by a Bus Driver.

^for fire

[ika]

Well I think I had a general look on every role. we have a claim for benign. as I said the killing role lier is probably the natural killing. and as I said I think the investigator liers are in mafia.



The only thing I have is a theory nothing more.

so then wouldnt it be better to lynch the killing ro mafia first? i mean the neutral evil has to rely on those guys and if it gets cuath in cross hairs it win-win for us dont you think

[ika]

I have nothing suggesting who is lieing inside the investigator claimers or between vedith/TTH

you have anything?

yes, i do. if you read how people have been acitng it would lead to conclusoin but your obviously not so *shrugs*

[ika]

frozen do you have any offsite games?

[ika]

I have nothing suggesting who is lieing inside the investigator claimers or between vedith/TTH

you have anything?

yes, i do. if you read how people have been acitng it would lead to conclusoin but your obviously not so *shrugs*

I was doing so all the day. But I couldn't find anything out of the boundaries. Can you please be more specific ?

frozen do you have any offsite games?

I had. only one, 3 or 4 years ago. whats that going to do with anything?

[ika]

fuck messed up the post give me a min

[ika]

I have nothing suggesting who is lieing inside the investigator claimers or between vedith/TTH

you have anything?

yes, i do. if you read how people have been acitng it would lead to conclusoin but your obviously not so *shrugs*

I was doing so all the day. But I couldn't find anything out of the boundaries. Can you please be more specific ?

Yes go iso jenne and look at her reactoins, now go look at tittus and look at her reacitons. look at how each is moving the gamestate. tell me which one is the town and wich one is the scum

frozen do you have any offsite games?

I had. only one, 3 or 4 years ago. whats that going to do with anything?

a lot, actualy. your join dates says your new, your playstyle says your an alt or an experienced with offsite. the obliviousness to the invest parts goign around is what odd. based on how you are playign i would expect a lot more form you on the general outcome.

whats your overall amfia experince

[ika]

Who should I PewPew tonight?

vig cant shoot on n1?

[ika]

Who should I PewPew tonight?

^vig claim?

[ika]

^vig claim?

No, It's my killing claim.

Well vig is the only killing role that can pew. veteran has to be visited and jailor cant jail on a lynch day

Who should I PewPew tonight?

^vig claim?

you replaced who?

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[ika]

oh :~| alt acc

i dont alt

Well vig is the only killing role that can pew. veteran has to be visited and jailor cant jail on a lynch day

Not in my opinion.

Vig can go to a house and PewPew
Vet can stay at home and PewPew
Jailor can PewPew with no lynch.

facts are this:
vig can not shoot night 1 (the text says you need to find you gun in game)
jailor can not jail on a lynch
veteran and bg are dependent on another

But the one who can ask to pewpew is vig . (in a lynch day)

[ika]

@ika, why the fuck are you excluding me when you know I have played this setup for as long as FB?

I have already made this clear to you titus, for my own fuckign sanity and my mental health i am objecitvly ignoring most of your posts right now. If you leave me for mine and i leave you for your right now i think i can manage. I have made it clear to you already.

[ika]

But the one who can ask to pewpew is vig . (in a lynch day)

Well for a start, you are assuming that a lynch is guaranteed.
Secondly, I disagree.

vedit your not refuting the facts that a FUCKING VIG CANT SHOOT N1

if your claiming jailor the ideal play if we no lynch is to jail bela so she protected

[ika]

so vedith is claiming vet

[ika]

Shos hasn't read the rooecards we can lynch him he's not rewding

[ika]

VOTE: shos

[ika]

He can't he's veteran

[ika]

Titus should target him though cud otherwise she's prob gonna be next for trying to diviate the plan

[ika]

Exactly why she's tommorows lynch

[ika]

Exactly why she's tommorows lynch

[ika]

this is why titus is scum after shos scum flip we cna do her next

[ika]

I can do Titus I call dibs on hammer though

[ika]

We lunch every day unless there's a claimed jailir

[ika]

titus is softing 3p now. tth lets omve to titus. ari should join us fire is invited too

[ika]

bellla we need you

[ika]

You afraid to die if you lynch Shos ika?

no im not how come you are

[ika]

No it's not explain it to me or can you not cus your illogical

[ika]

You should always be willing to die for your reads. You should always follow a plan even if it leads to death

[ika]

You should always be willing to die for your reads. You should always follow a plan even if it leads to death

No. That's what I taught you. What did you teach me?

You never taught me anything. Titus that's what I taught you don't you even start that illogical shit of a lie you have

[ika]

titus I'll humor you on you illogical lies if you did teach me to die for reads why are you not willing to do the same right now?

[ika]

someone remind me to tear into titus fale stuff when i get up later

[ika]

she not she town

[ika]

shos isnt jester hes scum

[ika]

titus is also scum we can kill them in any order

[ika]

titus is softing autitor now nice to know

[ika]

He's claiming jailor and jailor can't jail when there's lynch

[ika]

where bella

[ika]

oh btw shos cant be jester cus if that was true that mean ari is lying and i doubt that

[ika]

cus fire is smart and will vote you or shos

[ika]

It was fucking obvious shos wasn't jester. Even if I was town I would of known that it really shows how bad you are Titus however a lot of what I did say was not alignment indicative

[ika]

The fact that you were a town-driven counterwagon to fake claiming scum should be sufficient testament to how bad your arguments were, Titus.

[ika]

I think TItus played well, she has a point that the wagon was driven by scum, but really it was Neutral Scum so its a bit different.

she didnt. she should knot that if there is a jester possiblity you run it though cus most times scum will also be on the wagon. i can esily link the old game where jester screwed over scum as well its not good at all

im just going to repaet it:

when you beocme a counterwagon to scum you should relaize that you are doing something wrong

[ika]

i also followed that game titus and im with them i ran scnarios in my head that disproves mass claim being optimal and its very easy to do so

[ika]

its not disgareeing titus, its being wrong. you were wrong about it. thats the fact. shos was scum you were counterwagon.

theres nothign being disgareed about that thats the facts that are shown. its evidence on how bad it is you were being.

i mean i could link monkeys game where evidence kept chanign but you never looked back, its only furhter proof. people dont disgaree with you titus, your just worong about it. when you start seeing that then manybe you can improve on it.

[ika]

like when you have sevral people stating "this is not right" and they show you why its not right, it no longer disagreeing, its a matter of proven facts that what you are staign is not right

[ika]

like when you have sevral people stating "this is not right" and they show you why its not right, it no longer disagreeing, its a matter of proven facts that what you are staign is not right

Several people can want to mislynch town and can be wrong. That's proven by a wagon on me in the first place. Because several scumfucks say shos isn't a jester doesn't make it proven.

Thats not what im talking about titus. im talking much more general based on what you think is right plays and whatnots

[ika]

When town follows my optimal play, we win 90% percent. I cannot remember the last time town followed my optimal play for night actions and we lost.

But its not and its been proven not to be optimal by several people.

[ika]

I mean i can go back to monkeys game and how you wanted to lynch PV cus you didnt belive it even when thor showed evidence that he was town

[ika]

Also rob and other easily disproved you in C9++ alos on how your idea fails

[ika]

Also rob and other easily disproved you in C9++ alos on how your idea fails

No. They proved town is overly attached to PRs.

Titus you never even refuted his idea and i can do the same. its a roadmap for PR killing

even if all PR gots confirmed what happens when they all die? it doesnt work

[ika]

and rob proved that already and you dont have evidece to disprove it yet

[ika]

It's literally why mass claim is better in this setup too or in playing with elements. All the AME.

ELEMNTS =/= C9++

those are two diffrent games titus

[ika]

no game are the same in the end

games like this are imbalalnced form get go, ballanced games (c9++) cant be broken by such

[ika]

Its a little imbalanced but its manageable, if the scum team knows what they are doing they can beat it.
Especially if they control the day chat and the night actions of town.

like i said, the game is imballanced, its able to be broken the games tius brings up are not. i think element slightly is only is but not as mcuh as this. where C9++ is jsut fine and massclal breaks it into scum

[ika]

Late massclaim is writing the scum a check. Hence why it should be done day 1 or when the setup is impossible to hide in.

so you jsut makea roadmap for scum to kill? thats what you are saying now

[ika]

If it guarantees a town win, yup.

Did the same thing in Playing with Elements as the Town Tracker.

but it doesnt, you should realize that by now

[ika]

If it guarantees a town win, yup.

Did the same thing in Playing with Elements as the Town Tracker.

but it doesnt, you should realize that by now

When it doesn't, I don't push it.

yet you still do?

[ika]

If it guarantees a town win, yup.

Did the same thing in Playing with Elements as the Town Tracker.

but it doesnt, you should realize that by now

When it doesn't, I don't push it.

yet you still do?

Every plan I push as town has worked lately.

like your c9++ game? i have yet to realy see a game be broken by you. most of the time town already is in auto solve mode

[ika]

Rob's game I wasn't followed. Scum won by fake claiming masons, which would have been prevented by D1 massclaim.

or they jsut dont claim masons to start with, if you read the post game you should relaize that they said they did it for lolz

I solved a lot of games. You just don't respect it.

I can think of one game that you have "solved". the thing is titus no game is sloved by an indvidual, its team and you very much oppose it. i never said i dont respect you so good job on putting work in my mouth and filling your mind with lie that are nto true.