Mini 1735 - Mana Khemia: Mafia in Al-Revis [End]

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: CharlotteBebe

Keeping vote on conf. town

is scum

wagon

Also yes I'm in a neighborhood w/ PFoS yay

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: CharlotteBebe

Keeping vote on conf. town

is scum

wagon

Also yes I'm in a neighborhood w/ PFoS yay

What makes this a scum trait more than a town trait?

-Ank

Your vote can be on 11 other people that actually have a chance of reacting in a way that can help progress the game.
You are opting not to do so.

[Spiffeh]

Unless it's a reaction test in which case you suck

[Spiffeh]

Oh I forgot this was the Gork hydra hi!!!!

I like my vote though

[Spiffeh]

I know Ank I realized that

I need to leave my vote on you for a little while longer for my ego

[Spiffeh]

Ank I like to overreact early on so people have things to talk about

I think you should know this actually?

But your thing was the first scummy thing I saw so I voted you

[Spiffeh]

Gork wanna wagon itlepip?

[Spiffeh]

Dw Ank I will obvtown for you eventually

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: itlepip

[Spiffeh]

^ That's why mollie

he's scum

[Spiffeh]

itlepop opts to make a joke instead of contribute to discussion in post 76 when enough stuff was going on to talk about. Then OMGUS votes me.

Wagon pls

[Spiffeh]

Maxous point me to a vote that isn't weak at this stage of the game please.

[Spiffeh]

Who wants in the Spiffeh + three hydras town block?

[Spiffeh]

Yes that is what it's called

[Spiffeh]

@Maxous What distinguishes it from other votes?

[Spiffeh]

And Maxous where would we be if I hadn't done that?

[Spiffeh]

gork wtf

[Spiffeh]

cold pizza is leaning town.
3dice is leaning scum.

lol'd

[Spiffeh]

My vote on itlepip is entirely serious.

I even wrote up a case check it out!

[Spiffeh]

mollie can you join my itlepip wagon?

[Spiffeh]

Yes on itlepip

[Spiffeh]

CB I have no idea what you're talking about

[Spiffeh]

Yes on itlepip

Is your entire game just trying to push random wagons?

Someone's a little self conscious

[Spiffeh]

No CB itlepip had yet to say anything game relevant whereas you had.

[Spiffeh]

Maxous it's the fact that he discredits my vote on him by saying I'm pushing random wagons (which isn't true), and only really comments on that without giving insight to the rest of the game.

That is scummy.

And why are you acting like this isn't a method of discerning alignment?

[Spiffeh]

He wasn't under pressure to do so. This isn't my only reason for scumreading him either.

And if you tell me it's weak like Maxous I will laugh at you and point at the number of pages in this game (and I don't even think it's that weak).

[Spiffeh]

Okay, so what was your initial reason for starting the wagon?
You said "hey lets start a wagon on itlepip", then essentially copy pasted that same post about 10 more times in the thread, and that is all you have done after RVS. The only explanation for your read has been my reaction to your wagon, so unless you could somehow foresee my reaction to your wagon, deemed it scummy and started a wagon on me because of that you have provided no other explanation for why I am scum. So either give whatever scum read you had on me when you started the wagon that you withheld in order to say "join my wagon plsssssssss" or admit that you push random wagons.

I don't actually mind random wagons early game, but when there is no actual accusation in it and then you misrepresent why you started the wagon, I first off don't have anything to defend so there is no real pressure and second have absolutely no idea how that helps town at all.

Here is my reason for wanting to start a wagon on you:

itlepop opts to make a joke instead of contribute to discussion in post 76 when enough stuff was going on to talk about.

Just because I didn't state the reason right when I voted for you doesn't mean I chose you arbitrarily.

Did you miss that?

[Spiffeh]

Was my reasoning weak? Yes.

Did your subsequent reaction to my vote make me more comfortable keeping it? Yes.

[Spiffeh]

so why did you get chummy with me when i started providing content after coming under pressure? shouldnt i have stayed in the same spot on your readslist and received more pressure from you as a result?

Because you started providing content after coming under pressure. ???
I don't see why you'd think that.

[Spiffeh]

I just quoted my reason. Your post 76.

[Spiffeh]

You just said that my reaction was what caused you to be comfortable with your wagon, so I linked my reaction.

But you asked if that's why I started the wagon. That is not why I started the wagon.

Really a joke post 3 pages into the game was your scum read?

Yeah. Would you like to point me to something else scummy in those three pages that I didn't address?

[Spiffeh]

I don't actually mind random wagons early game, but when there is no actual accusation in it and then you misrepresent why you started the wagon, I first off don't have anything to defend so there is no real pressure and second have absolutely no idea how that helps town at all.

Also where did I ever misrepresent why I started the wagon?

[Spiffeh]

First let's not be asinine with each other. Scum reading a joke post that isn't about the game should only ever be a meta read, which I am sure you don't have on me and certainly isn't evidence of scum.

And once again I encourage you to go back and show me something scummier where my vote would have been justified.

Honestly going back to the question of why you started the wagon was probably this post. You posted 3-4 times after my joke post without mentioning and then after CB said this you jumped on the wagon and went back to try to find a passable attack.

Yep that is the post that got me to ISO you and see your joke post. So now you're saying just because I didn't mention scum reading your joke post immediately after it happened I can't go back later and notice it? If you care to read the posts in between, it was pretty clear I was preoccupied and engaging with CB.

All of that is fine that early in the game, but 11 pages in having a hard scum read based on a joke is ridiculous. I don't think that my joke post was actually what you think was the scummiest thing this game, so I think you are trying to go back and make excuses and are slipping up.

I'm not voting for you for the joke post anymore. That should be very clear. I'm pretty sure I have admitted several times how weak it is. You can see why I'm voting for you in post 228. Once again you are saying you can't see how that's the scummiest thing in the game but you fail to provide other places where my vote would serve a better purpose. So how is that I'm the one making excuses here? I can't tell if you're actually confused or if you're intentionally misrepresenting my reasons for voting you.

[Spiffeh]

i encourage you to explain why you are arguing messy semantics with a scumread. ftr youre pinging scummy and itle seems townish from these last few exchanges.

How is this arguing semantics? He is saying that he doesn't think that his post was what the scummiest thing I should have noticed in those early pages (which I think implies he thinks I'm town but w/e). If he makes that statement he should be able to point to something that he thought was scummy. He never did at the time, so I don't know how he can possibly say that.

articulate clearly why youre scumreading him pls.

Look at post 228. And contrary to what you believe I think his responses to me have been increasingly scummy. He's trying to act like my whole scum read on him is based on his one joke post:

All of that is fine that early in the game, but 11 pages in having a hard scum read based on a joke is ridiculous.

which isn't true.

i feel like i did? :/

Yeah that's what I was saying.

but i'll hold on to some of my cards on you for now >:D
talk to me about some of the other cast in this game.
whats your read on pocket/3dice/mario?

Mario has done jack shit so he is null. 3dice's vote on Maxous is fine (I kinda thought similarly) so he can be town. I'm townreading Pocket from our neighborhood but nothing they've done in thread has really pinged me either way.

[Spiffeh]

"go and show me something scummier than what im voting you for" seems like a waste of time to be arguing someone over, especially since youre pushing him.

I don't see why this would be a waste of time. I want to see if he's just reacting that way because I am voting for him or if he actually believes what he's saying and can support it.

except you were being dodgy with explaining exactly what you were scumreading him for at the time of him making that post in a way that makes it seem pretty plausible that he would see your vote as such.
and you continually trying to frame this as "HE IS IGNORING MY REASONING" when you werent being absolutely clear with what your reasoning was still feels like youre intentionally trying to simplify the situation.

I thought I was being pretty clear, could you point to posts that make you feel this way? Like how much more do I have to spell it out?
As for why I'm townreading Pocket, notscience said something like really conversational in the neighborhood that I would expect him to make in the scum chat if he had access to one. I also did a reaction test in the neighborhood (looking back it was pretty shitty lol) about making a town block with me, you, them, and Cold Pizza, and mollie said it was too early for that. Both of these things, while pretty weak, make me lean town on them.

[Spiffeh]

@Mario why are you voting for itlepip?

[Spiffeh]

Mario do you have any other reads?

3dice do you think it's likely scum would claim miller in their first post?

[Spiffeh]

Wtf is Vayne Aurelius

[Spiffeh]

CB I miss our back and forth

[Spiffeh]

Zexion is scum.

Discuss.

[Spiffeh]

Wagons need to happen and they are not.

I blame everyone not sheeping me.

[Spiffeh]

Suzune I am disappointed to not see my name show up in your catch up post after I have been such a beacon of progression and accuracy this game

[Spiffeh]

@itlepip could you respond to post 262 please? Particularly the part where I ask you to point to what you thought was scummy in the first few pages since you don't your joke post could possibly be the scummiest thing I was reading at that time.

thx bbygirl

Will respond to other stuff later.

[Spiffeh]

I was kidding lol

[Spiffeh]

Can you point me to where you answered it?

Wow nice going Gork you gave scum the excuse to refuse to continue engaging with me because your stupid ass "semantics argument" that doesn't mean anything.

[Spiffeh]

Seriously I still have no explanation as to why this is a "semantics argument" so itlepip would you be so kind?

[Spiffeh]

See that can't possibly be your response because the post I linked to is after the post you linked to.

So try again or please answer the question.

[Spiffeh]

3dice come vote itlpip

[Spiffeh]

Zexion slot, maybe Suzune, and maaaaaaaaybe CB for pseudo-defending itlepip.

Not really confident in any of those though.

[Spiffeh]

I'm also not a fan of BC's PFoS push and I'm pretty sure notty is town.

[Spiffeh]

Um how can you possibly distinguish if mollie's replace out was a scum one vs. a town one?

[Spiffeh]

STOP LYNCHING MY NEIGHBOR

[Spiffeh]

Yes myself and notscience (formerly known as PocketFullOfSunshine) are neighbors. But that was never a secret I'm pretty sure mollie revealed it in her first post?

Suzanne I thought you read the thread

[Spiffeh]

Anti you didn't really do anything wrong tho

[Spiffeh]

Also at quick glance I think your avatar is Scar from The Lion King.

[Spiffeh]

Redacted

Removed content not meant for this game

[Spiffeh]

FUCK you're right.

Can the mod delete that?

[Spiffeh]

To be clear:

@mod can you delete post 437, that was not meant for this game

[Spiffeh]

Ok sorry about that.

[Spiffeh]

So can people tell me why they are town reading itlepip then?

Just because I have been being pretty obnoxious about it doesn't take away the points I'm making.

[Spiffeh]

Thx bby

But what's your problem with post 438?

[Spiffeh]

I mean I know why I don't like it but I want to see if your reasons are similar.

[Spiffeh]

Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking.

Clearly itlepip is paying attention closely enough to see that my post wasn't meant for here but he can't answer my question or contribute elsewhere?

[Spiffeh]

CB's chansaw defense of itlepip is looking worse and worse imo especially since he completely dropped his dialogue with me.

[Spiffeh]

Also yay 3dice is town!

[Spiffeh]

Seriously @CB/Gork head do you see how itlepip tried to avoid interacting with me by shoehorning your "semantics argument'" shit?

How is that not scummy af?

[Spiffeh]

Could you point to the post where you think I "tossed back at him"?

[Spiffeh]

Gork bbygirl give me a chance

Too bad it'll have to wait til later!!

[Spiffeh]

My bad guys I have a lot of free time this afternoon so I should be able to get back into this.

[Spiffeh]

Titus MM acts like that every game I learned that the hard way.

Vote somewhere more productive pls

I recommend the itlepip wagon.

Also Gork I know you REALLY want me to be scum but I'm gonna have to burst your bubble. Will respond to your stuff now.

[Spiffeh]

also.
how in heavens name am i chainsaw defending itle?
what?
do you understand what the word chainsaw means?
or are you saying im chainsawing him by saying you look scummier than him in your 1v1? because i still do generally feel like the vibe from those back and forths was town itle and scum spiff. and im also pretty sure im not the only one who expressed that.

this game is frustrating.

Isn't chainsaw defending attacking someone who's attacking someone else to defend that someone else?

And I didn't like how you wrote it off as a semantics argument WHEN IT WASN'T. I was pointing out what I thought was a contradiction (I think we're talking about the same situation? lol) and it seemed like you stepped in to give him a way out to stop engaging with me when I thought I was making a valid point as to why he was scummy. And since you had been going on about me not making my reasons for voting him clear/not having any, it was frustrating when you tried to write one of them off like that.

[Spiffeh]

like seriously, how are you even trying to hardpush someone as scum for using a word that i used to describe the back-and-forth between the two of you?
that doesnt make any sense.
at all.

Are you seriously boiling down my reasons for scum reading him to that?
Yes that is a contributing factor but it is not the only reason why I am hard-pushing him.

[Spiffeh]

OMG SPIFF IS SCUM WITH NOTTY BECAUSE HE CALLED ME SCUMMY FOR PUSHING THEM.
thats what you sounded like.
now if youre going to call me out on something, youd better not drop it and ignore me if i call it dumb or im going to start raising my eyebrow at you until it goes off my face.

The part I was calling bad was where you said that mollie's replace out was a "scum replace out" which is like a really awful thing to say and it looked like you were just saying anything that would cast notty in a negative light.

[Spiffeh]

you were asking itle to go back and find something scummier and dancing around articulating your scumread on him. so yes. you were pushing a pointlessly semantic argument with him.

No I think I made my reasons pretty clear at this point and like I said earlier this was me pointing out a contradiction and it was in no way a semantics argument.

[Spiffeh]

I will say that on my catch up I'm pretty sure the Ank head is town so I'm probably just gonna stop pursuing this but I still think gork is being overly defensive of itlepip for no reason.

[Spiffeh]

post 261

Sorry this one is the response by itlpip but it has the post I want inside of it. Also this one as well post 262. Since i cannot see a good reason to keep the vote you are implying that there is something else when that post is about maxious rather then the situation you are voting for. Seems like you are keeping light and airy votes rather then reading the people. Almost like you are trying to see how many people you can get to follow you.

I still really don't understand your train of thought here (I know this is awhile back) so I don't really know how I can respond. Yes I am indeed trying to see how many people I can get to follow me and I have never tried to hide that. I still think I have a perfectly good reason to keep my vote and I don't see why you'd think otherwise.

spiffeh did he give any evidence in the neighborhood

No our hood's been rather quiet as I think both of us have been a little disengaged from the game recently.

Btw after your (Saki's) catch up I see like absolutely no reason as to why your reads list was the way it was and why you decided to vote Gilgamesh.
Yay Gilgamesh for noticing this.

I don't recall calling Suzune scum. My vote was a pressure vote, but a wagon sprang off it.
My theory is that this wagon is that the Suzune wagon is a scum driven wagon.

I don't get how you pressure vote someone and then immediately call anyone else who votes for her scum?
Actually since you think itlepip is town (from your readslist), and he is the larger wagon, wouldn't you think it is more likely that one is scum driven?

Ok my eyes glazed the fuck over the CB vs. Saki exchange.

[Spiffeh]

Gork I think you're town reading itlepip because I am being obnoxious about wagoning him and I don't really see a reason as to why you think he is town and I only see you discrediting why I think he is scum.

So please tell me why you think he is town?

[Spiffeh]

I'm not planning to, I'm just having problems figuring out why I have the biggest wagon right now. Spiffeh I have gone over, die and maxous jsut sseems to be voting me for lurking. Mario has admitted to not having any reads at this point so I don't consider that an 'actual' vote on my slot until he explains his read, which he should do if he isn't planning to unvote.

For Maxous, you shouldn't just PoE between the biggest wagons, so the whole Saki is more towny than itle I don't actually take as a scumread. Personally I don't actually read Saki as scum, the whole red post thing was dumb, in nearly all games a single mafia faction is red, if I make a name red everyone knows that means a mafia read on that person. I think Saki's wagon is a little suspect as well, I think notty is fairly towny but both CB and Gil and have recent posts that had some logic that felt flimsy to me, so I think both of them are slight scumleans for me.

itlepip all these reads are very noncommittal and fluffy.

Why is Saki's wagon suspect?
Why do you think notty is town?
What posts made you feel that CB and Gil had flimsy logic?

[Spiffeh]

Then why the F are you hard pushing me. For someone that goes on and on about not responding to posts you haven't responded to any of my recent ones and I have at least addressed all of your posts or explained why they were BS. I'm not even positive that you are scum here, but you seemed just to pick someone to death-tunnel and you seem so stuck on that one read without giving any good explanation, that play doesn't make any sense from a town point of view unless you are an insane early-start cop that got a scum result on me.

Ok I have a favor to ask of you.

ISO me and ctrl-f your name. If you still can not find my reasons for scum reading you, let me know and I will point them out to you.

You have just been so overly concerned with my death-tunnel and I don't really understand why you aren't questioning others on your wagon? Do you think that your wagon has any scum on it?

[Spiffeh]

Is that all you got Mario?

[Spiffeh]

Spoiler: Reasons I am scumreading itlepip

itlepop opts to make a joke instead of contribute to discussion in post 76 when enough stuff was going on to talk about. Then OMGUS votes me.

Wagon pls

Yes on itlepip

Is your entire game just trying to push random wagons?

Someone's a little self conscious

Maxous it's the fact that he discredits my vote on him by saying I'm pushing random wagons (which isn't true), and only really comments on that without giving insight to the rest of the game.

That is scummy.

And why are you acting like this isn't a method of discerning alignment?

First let's not be asinine with each other. Scum reading a joke post that isn't about the game should only ever be a meta read, which I am sure you don't have on me and certainly isn't evidence of scum.

And once again I encourage you to go back and show me something scummier where my vote would have been justified.

Honestly going back to the question of why you started the wagon was probably this post. You posted 3-4 times after my joke post without mentioning and then after CB said this you jumped on the wagon and went back to try to find a passable attack.

Yep that is the post that got me to ISO you and see your joke post. So now you're saying just because I didn't mention scum reading your joke post immediately after it happened I can't go back later and notice it? If you care to read the posts in between, it was pretty clear I was preoccupied and engaging with CB.

All of that is fine that early in the game, but 11 pages in having a hard scum read based on a joke is ridiculous. I don't think that my joke post was actually what you think was the scummiest thing this game, so I think you are trying to go back and make excuses and are slipping up.

I'm not voting for you for the joke post anymore. That should be very clear. I'm pretty sure I have admitted several times how weak it is. You can see why I'm voting for you in post 228. Once again you are saying you can't see how that's the scummiest thing in the game but you fail to provide other places where my vote would serve a better purpose. So how is that I'm the one making excuses here? I can't tell if you're actually confused or if you're intentionally misrepresenting my reasons for voting you.

Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking.

Clearly itlepip is paying attention closely enough to see that my post wasn't meant for here but he can't answer my question or contribute elsewhere?

Seriously @CB/Gork head do you see how itlepip tried to avoid interacting with me by shoehorning your "semantics argument'" shit?

How is that not scummy af?

I'm not planning to, I'm just having problems figuring out why I have the biggest wagon right now. Spiffeh I have gone over, die and maxous jsut sseems to be voting me for lurking. Mario has admitted to not having any reads at this point so I don't consider that an 'actual' vote on my slot until he explains his read, which he should do if he isn't planning to unvote.

For Maxous, you shouldn't just PoE between the biggest wagons, so the whole Saki is more towny than itle I don't actually take as a scumread. Personally I don't actually read Saki as scum, the whole red post thing was dumb, in nearly all games a single mafia faction is red, if I make a name red everyone knows that means a mafia read on that person. I think Saki's wagon is a little suspect as well, I think notty is fairly towny but both CB and Gil and have recent posts that had some logic that felt flimsy to me, so I think both of them are slight scumleans for me.

itlepip all these reads are very noncommittal and fluffy.

Why is Saki's wagon suspect?
Why do you think notty is town?
What posts made you feel that CB and Gil had flimsy logic?

All of those posts contain reasons why I am scum reading itlepip. Anyone continuously relying on "you're not being clear enough" to discredit these reasons can cry me a river.

[Spiffeh]

@Titus thoughts on itlepip?

[Spiffeh]

What else do you find scummy about Suzune other than her "weird" post you quoted?

[Spiffeh]

itlepip could you respond to post 607?

[Spiffeh]

Antihero can you get off of Maxous please that is not happening.

Also yay pages

[Spiffeh]

Are you really saying I haven't contributed anything serious to the game?

I have proved time and time again my vote on you is 100% serious and you keep trying to discredit it so you can be lynched now.

[Spiffeh]

I actually like that list a lot.

Glad we're neighbors

[Spiffeh]

Except Mario is town and itle should be your #1 choice.

A Saki lynch wouldn't be the worst thing in the world though.

[Spiffeh]

lmk when you guys want to lynch actual scum

[Spiffeh]

Because I never knew you had concerns with it. I assume you're talking about the itlepip wagon here.

[Spiffeh]

I want Mario to do things but he is not scum for not doing things.

[Spiffeh]

I agree on itlepip's last post giving me town vibes

trust me I tried really hard to justify it as anything but in my head but to no avail

Suzune would be a decent lynch iirc, I need to read her ISO

[Spiffeh]

First of all no I am not just dropping everything and call him town. I said the post gave me town vibes. I will be reevaluating everything tomorrow.

like seriously, how are you even trying to hardpush someone as scum for using a word that i used to describe the back-and-forth between the two of you?
that doesnt make any sense.
at all.

Are you seriously boiling down my reasons for scum reading him to that?
Yes that is a contributing factor but it is not the only reason why I am hard-pushing him.

Then why the F are you hard pushing me. For someone that goes on and on about not responding to posts you haven't responded to any of my recent ones and I have at least addressed all of your posts or explained why they were BS. I'm not even positive that you are scum here, but you seemed just to pick someone to death-tunnel and you seem so stuck on that one read without giving any good explanation, that play doesn't make any sense from a town point of view unless you are an insane early-start cop that got a scum result on me.

Rather wierded out by the cop suggestion

Tunnelling is usually done by town more than scum (I am an exception)

The waffling reads like frustrated town though.

Spiffeh here talk to me about this

Titus just because he says I might not be scum doesn't erase everything else he has done. I don't think the waffling reads as frustrated town.
(I don't really get what else you want to talk about here?)

[Spiffeh]

Titus how was I supposed to know that was even directed at me when you didn't quote me/direct me to it.

I probably just completely skipped it as I skimmed the fuck out of pages 25-30

So stop pretending you're suspicious of that

[Spiffeh]

itlepip who do you think is scum other than Mario?

[Spiffeh]

Why specifically are you town reading Suzune?

[Spiffeh]

FB stop having incorrect opinions please.

[Spiffeh]

Oh btw now might be a good time to announce that targeting me with non-killing actions will not work at least for tonight so don't waste your time

[Spiffeh]

Also Cold Pizza will be living through the night so that's a plus!

[Spiffeh]

Suzune what are your thoughts on itlepip and Mario?

[Spiffeh]

CB can you get your vote off of town and do something worthwhile pls?

[Spiffeh]

I read Suzune's ISO and am really not a fan.

I could condense there if need be.

What I am not doing is lynching Mario who I am fairly confident is town.

I think Anti might be scum because of his push there.

[Spiffeh]

Because it doesn't cancel out all the scummy shit he did.

I reread Suzune's ISO and am fine with it but still would prefer an itlepip.

Scum can give off town vibes too

[Spiffeh]

Why are you town reading itlepip?

[Spiffeh]

MM thoughts on Suzune?

[Spiffeh]

3dice come vote for him.

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer get on a wagon.

Saki vote is so obviously not happening today that I am confused as to why are you even acting like there's a chance.

Get to Suzune or itlepip.

[Spiffeh]

The correct thing to say there is "I will make it happen, or screw over the village because I am refusing to condense on a wagon when we need to have a lynch in the next 24 hours"

Do I really need to bring up the Blitz that just ended?

[Spiffeh]

Remember when you didn't agree with the Syryana or DGB wagons because they were both strong town to you?

Can you refresh my memory about what ended up happening?

[Spiffeh]

Do I have to start using like ancient proverbs on you

"You miss all the shots you don't take"

PEdit: I just explained how it related...

That game would have been so different had you not condensed on someone you were supposedly town reading.

Explain why itlepip and Suzune are town.

[Spiffeh]

So you'd prefer a no lynch over lynching either of them?

[Spiffeh]

You should feel rushed right now there is like 26ish hours left til deadline.

PEdit: that makes no sense

[Spiffeh]

You should really not be this certain that they are town.

Makes me think you have extra information!!!!!

[Spiffeh]

Titus get off of Mario.

Now.

[Spiffeh]

If Titus doesn't get off of Mario she is probs scum actually

Mario literally softclaimed power role but she isn't giving one shit about it

[Spiffeh]

I'll condense on Saki if need be.

[Spiffeh]

CB thoughts on Saki lynch?

[Spiffeh]

I don't want to give up itlepip can you please come over here?

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Saki
That selfvote doesn't seem like frustrated town to me. Why wouldn't you just replace out?

Also yay condensing.

[Spiffeh]

If you're town this is really annoying

VOTE: Suzune

[Spiffeh]

Eh

INTENT TO HAMMER

I still don't see town motivation in acting like this

Like you can also not act like this and just replace out if you don't want to play? If you don't give a shit about the game I doubt you give a shit about mods finding a replacement.

[Spiffeh]

I'm sure they appreciate you playing against your WC a lot more

[Spiffeh]

Doc Suzune not protecting Cold Pizza = scum

[Spiffeh]

Not gonna lie, I'm pretty confused at this point.

I could see this as Suzune scumbuddy not knowing what to say

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I'm on the edge of my seat!

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No

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FB your avatar is so fucking cute

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Rogue = worst neighbor ever

PEdit: I agree with itlepip

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Antihero sux

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How do we feel about massclaim?

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I want to hear others' thoughts first.

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Mala thought Antihero or Titus was scum.

But never really elaborated on either

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I don't know they never told me what they were.

And Maxous you don't just get to vote without a reason. Titus too.

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Not if you don't say it.

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You didn't say the useless thing

Ok Maxous needs reasons then

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Idgi though it only says they are Weak Neighbor so they didn't have another role?

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Assuming that is you claiming vig why didn't you shoot him again last night?

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And you can blame Rogue for that.

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Wait what makes you say he was targeted by the scum doctor?
What am I missing

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OH Suzune said she protected him.

Why exactly would she incriminate him like that if they were scumbuddies?

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Hmmmmm I guess it is possible though.

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I really think massclaim would be the best plan of action but I want everyone to check in.

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I will paraphrase our limited conversation in the neighborhood from Day 2 on:
I make a snarky comment about how we barely talked during the night and Mala scolds me and says they read their role PM wrong and that she didn't want to share her thoughts openly for someone that might have been scum.
notty makes a penis out of an 8, = signs, and a D.
I say that Mala's worry makes no sense because everything she says in the thread is open with players she can't be sure are town so wtf
Night 2 starts and I ask what they make of the flip.
notty says they might have been protected or the roleblock succeeded or both.
Mala thinks Titus is scum.
Then says Antihero is too.
Then they talk about Mafia doctors not having guns and gunsmiths get inno's on them
Then I say I think 3dice is scum with Suzune (I no longer really think that btw)
Mala says she doesn't think so and reiterates it's Antihero and Titus.

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And I am just realizing now how that incriminates me lol

Anyone see how?

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I make a snarky comment about how we barely talked during the night and Mala scolds me and says they read their role PM wrong and that she didn't want to share her thoughts openly for someone that might be scum.

EBWOP

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How is FB conftown?

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CB why are you being so cryptic?

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I was confused at you saying FB was conftown and I still don't know who you want a role claim from because reading comprehension is too much effort.

Don't get snippy Ank

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Deny

-Spiffeh

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CB 3dice had his vote parked on Suzune for a lot of the day and when I asked him to come over to itlepip when the wagons were relatively even he said he was more comfortable with Suzune getting lynched.

So idk

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Not Suzune after you stuck with that scum read for so long?

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Ank looks town to me.

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Correct

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So you're a tracker and saw him go nowhere?

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itlepip kills is weird af

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I want AH dead over 3dice

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Where did the itlepip nk come from?

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Ank itlepip was BP.

Maybe they have a strongman?

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It must be strongman that's the only way itlepip could die tonight unless someone targeted him twice which would still be dumb.

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I am a 1-shot Ascetic that is not informed when the ability activates.

I am aware it is a shittastic role

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Oh btw now might be a good time to announce that targeting me with non-killing actions will not work at least for tonight so don't waste your time

Here is me crumbing it super obviously

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Btw I could see Rolecop being a scum ability

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I'm Renee Kearse

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My person doesn't have a snazzy sub title wtf

I feel like my role is destined to be mislynched

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Can I hammer?

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I will be hammer in 2 hours unless I hear a good reason not to.

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I kinda want to lynch FB but I'd have to read back through the game to be confident in doing that.

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Titus walk me through why you think FB is town.

Because I don't see how him confirming your role makes him town.

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Information role makes sense as the last scum role imo

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I don't see what scum FB gains from that. FB claims I am full of crap, he helps create a counter to Suzune.

And when you flip town he and Suzune are dead meat.

So no that's not a thing he would do as scum.

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Then why claim the investigation at all? Investigated the dead guy works a lot better given three dead guys. Particularly itepip.

To seem town.

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Idk scum team seems really weak if there isn't one more of them.

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MM why did you even role block 3dice?

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Stop and vote for Firebringer.

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I am p. sure we win rn if we lynch FB but if there's some foolproof plan I will follow it.

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Did CB claim fully?

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Did CB claim fully?

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Wait Firebringer you checked me N2 right?
What was your result?

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Also Gork I obvtowned Day 1 which you refused to acknowledge fsr so don't act like this is a hard decision.

Do I have to build some "not scum" resume or something.

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I am a

non consecutive role cop

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Checked Titus N1, pretty obvious on that part.

So, I didn't do anything last night. Like I think I couldve checked someone, but I didn't.

No he couldn't have checked some one. (Tbh I thought he had fucked up earlier than this by claiming to have checked me but they weren't consecutive nights so whoops!)

Also why the fuck would he not check anyone if he thought he could?

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yes.
why are you town from d1.
hit me in the face with why.

Read over my ISO. I feel like I know when I'm obvtown when I'm town and I definitely was Day 1.
I even did that thing with Cold Pizza I did with you in Three Pronged where I crumbed protective to try and draw a nightkill/keep them alive.

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There's no reason town needs a role cop. Saki was our info role and it doesn't make sense to have two info roles + roleblock + Titus one-shot heal+ fucking vig.

Mafia don't have a flipped info role and it makes sense for them to have a role cop because of all the randomly powerful ass roles on the town.

It makes sense for town to have my neg-utility because of all the powerful shit we have flipped.

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FB's scum ass pushed for a Saki lynch instead of choosing between Suzune and itlepip.
He lucked out that Saki decided at that point in time to be terrible and basically lynched himself.
He never acknowledges Suzune at all Day 1 and his vote day 2 looks like an obv bus to me.

He says that Antihero is scummy multiple times Day 1 but interesting that he chooses Saki as a Hail Mary lynch over him.

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Did Mario really not hook anyone? Lol

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Titus still hasn't given a reason she thinks I'm scum other than assuming FB checking her N1 = town

Which is copious amounts of BS.

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Actually why the fuck am I even an option when my role is confirmed and doesn't even work with Suzune's?

CB was your role confirmed? Can you quote where you claim it please?

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im irked by spiff disappearing after kicking up a fuss over how obvtown he was d1 when he really wasnt obvtown at all.
that itle push felt forced earlygame and it especially felt wonky given how much he tried to draw attention to how his push on ank and i was intentionally forced and was for basically the same reason he was pushing itlepip afterwards.

i also feel like hes smart enough to know that just because hes confirmed ascetic it doesnt mean he couldnt have other abilities on top of that as scum.
so.
yay.

I posted 13 hours ago please relax.
Idk I read my ISO over on Day 1 and I thought I was being p. obvtown especially with pretending to have a protection role. Like I was completely open about how my itlepip vote was forced on Day 1 but I ultimately started to believe in it for reasons that I stated very clearly.
I ended up trying to consensus vote Suzune for your information!
I am aware I could have something else. That doesn't change the fact that MY ROLE DOESN'T WORK WITH SUZUNE'S. I am also reiterating it so Titus acknowledges that my role is confirmed too so just because FB happened to get on her good side by confirming her role it doesn't mean she should be trusting him unconditionally.

@MarioManiac4 who did you roleblock/did you roleblock anyone last night?
Why haven't you made this clear yet?

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Ew a sweat heart?
That doesn't sound healthy.

Also I'll be voting FB in about 8 hours unless I find anything on CB

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VOTE: Firebringer

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Hooray!

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CB let me know if you are actually wavering
You shouldn't be

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Titus why are you ignoring literally everything that has happened to go with a guy read at LYLO?

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CB just hammer him please so this can be over.

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How's your day going Gork?

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I have a group presentation to give in a few hours

But it will be better once you hammer and we win <3

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you won't

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I mean Titus do you want to like
respond to the cases made against FB instead of blindly declaring him town?

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Like thank God you don't have a vote today

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It's ok we'll win once GorkAnkton hammer.