Mini 1735 - Mana Khemia: Mafia in Al-Revis [End]

[CharlotteBebe]

could still be sk, especially with the ninja aspect.
not sure if that makes sense in this setup though.

[CharlotteBebe]

Ok, so 3dice is conftown if there aren't any other vig claims. I can also confirm that it checks out because we saw 3dicerolling going nowhere last night.

-Ank

Wrong. 3dice can be SK. His story doesn't match with rule 1.

Think. The only situation I said that he'd be conftown is if none of the other kills are claimed.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

So you're a tracker and saw him go nowhere?

Yes, we tracked him night two.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

:/
i really hope theres just one mafia left.
otherwise this game is broken with 3dice sk.

[CharlotteBebe]

VOTE: Antihero

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

No real point in disguising this anymore, I guess.

Purify allows us to pick three votes in a row and we'll be able to track all three the following night. 3Dice and Maxous' claims both check out with our results. I'm hiding our result on Titus for the moment, but we both think she's likely town here.

-Ank

PEdit: Spiffeh, Antihero targeting Itlepip twice fits.

[CharlotteBebe]

Read the flips again and revise that statement, Spiffeh.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

We specifically were told that 3dicerolling didn't visit anyone, not no result.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

They didn't claim it until today.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

wait mario you roleblocked rogue?
can you confirm that?

[CharlotteBebe]

oh wait nvm.
we know that the kill n1 was delayed to n2 because of max.
im silly.

[CharlotteBebe]

That's still too many bodies. Either strongman or 3dice is confirmed SK and lied about his target.

Scum shoot cold pizza or itpip.
Scum do the same night 2.
They have 3 lives. 2 bullets if scum shot like 3 dice claims.

i mean itle was open about his claim.
scum having a strongman in a game with a roleblocker, protective role and a bulletproof isnt hard to fathom.

[CharlotteBebe]

Can we have character claims alongside role claims for completion's sake?

Mine should be obvious from either playing the game or a 2-second google search.

Antihero is obviously Sulphur.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

I forgot that Anti was obviously doublevoter since early on in the game. Yeah, that slot's almost certainly scum since I don't see our role not having some kind of counter.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

Jessica Philomele, horrible chemistry student

Anna Lemouri, accomplished swordswoman

Both roles fit exactly with flavor.

We are a Vote Manipulator, which works with Roxis Rosenkrantz because his focus in fights is to manipulate the 'action bar'.

We have two unused one-shot abilities that revolves around votes. I won't go into either of them right now, but this is another reason why I'm suspicious of Antihero being scum. Our role is strong enough that I have a hard time believing that there's another town that can work with votes.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

Can you manipulate a vote that doesn't exist? Humor me.

No.

[CharlotteBebe]

So yeah..... I think we definitely should do at least flavor character claims.

Are you paying any attention to the game at all?

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

I've been keeping track of everything set-up related since early day two and I literally have every single slot's flavor filled in.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

I don't have a problem with it.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

i want the hammer.
because using the remaining abilities that we have should make it pretty clear that itd be broken in the hands of scum and meh in the hands of town.
and our first ability will be a really cool way to hammer c:

ank feels that lynching 3dice is also the right play.
im still kind of thinking it over. my experience with how to optimally deal with third party & mafia is limited.

i think last mafia is between fire and spiff.

[CharlotteBebe]

I calculated stuff out and originally wanted 3dice's head today, but now I'm leaning towards no lynch, actually. You should be able to figure out why, Titus.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

I thought we were already blindingly obvious town, but I'm okay with using other one-shots to confirm it.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

yeah honestly ive been calling you scum/have thought you were sk since you claimed ninja so.. ^.^

i dont really see why we cant claim. i dont think it changes anything beyond potentially making it more obvious that we're town.

[CharlotteBebe]

being a hydra makes everything more complicated
if i were just rolling solo i would claim without thinking about it but i dont want to claim and then have ank be like "shit son u fukn ruined my plans".
and i'd feel especially bad about that because ank has had his shit together a lot more than me this game.

[CharlotteBebe]

yeah titus!
give some vca!!!!

[CharlotteBebe]

[if you have time to and dont mind i mean q.q]

[CharlotteBebe]

part of me wonders if nailing last mafia would be best right now.
because if we clear last mafia then we dont even have to ask the question of whether 3dice is 3p or not.

[CharlotteBebe]

height of coldpizza wagon

Cold Pizza

(5) - 3dicerolling, MarioManiac4,

Maxous

,

Antihero

, CharlotteBebe
3dicerolling (1) -

Cold Pizza

Gilgamesh King Of Heroes (1) -

itlepip

CharlotteBebe (1) - Zexion
Zexion (1) -

Navizel

Antihero

(1) -

PocketFullOfSunshine

Not voting (3) - Spiffeh, Gilgamesh King Of Heroes,

Saki

height of itle wagon:

itlepip

(5) - Spiffeh, MarioManiac4, 3dicerolling,

Cold Pizza

,

Maxous

Spiffeh (3) -

itlepip

,

Suzune

, CharlotteBebe

Maxous

(2) -

Antihero

, Vayne Aurelius

Saki

(2) -

notscience

, Gilgamesh King Of Heroes
MarioManiac4 (1) - Titus
CharlotteBebe (1) -

Saki

height of mario/itle split:
itlepip (4) - Spiffeh,

Cold Pizza

,

Maxous

, MarioManiac4
Spiffeh (1) -

Suzune

CharlotteBebe (1) -

Saki

MarioManiac4 (4) -

itlepip

,

Antihero

, Vayne Aurelius, Titus

Suzune

(3) - 3dicerolling,

Rogue

, CharlotteBebe
Not Voting (1) - Firebringer

saki lynch:

itlepip

(2) -

Cold Pizza

,

Maxous

Spiffeh (1) -

Suzune

MarioManiac4 (2) -

Antihero

, Vayne Aurelius

Suzune

(2) - 3dicerolling, Spiffeh

Saki

(7) - Firebringer,

Rogue

,

itlepip

,

Saki

, CharlotteBebe, Titus, MarioManiac4

suzune lynch:

Suzune

(7) - MarioManiac4, Firebringer,

Maxous

, 3dicerolling,

itlepip

, CharlotteBebe,

Antihero

Not voting (5) -

Rogue

,

Suzune

,

Cold Pizza

, Spiffeh, Titus

anti lynch:

Antihero

(5) -

Maxous

, CharlotteBebe, 3dicerolling, Titus, Firebringer
Not voting (3) -

Antihero

, Spiffeh, MarioManiac4

[CharlotteBebe]

i feel like fire is scum from votespread.

[CharlotteBebe]

yay ank gave me go ahead.
so we have two day abilities left, both centered around votes.
im thinking this is an offset to titus losing her vote.
ANYWAYS.
first ability is that we can target three people's votes and then put them on the person that we're currently voting as long as we arent in lylo.
second ability is that we can at any point gain an extra vote for every person who is currently not voting in the thread as long as we arent in lylo.

we can use our first ability to hammer today and our second ability at the start of the next cycle.

[CharlotteBebe]

if we lynch mafia and game doesnt end then theres clearly an sk and its almost certainly 3dice.

[CharlotteBebe]

titus, how much of your resistance to lynching firebringer is coming from him copping you n1?

[CharlotteBebe]

also if spiff could get in here and be obvtown thatd be greattttt.

[CharlotteBebe]

part of me hates that pie and co.'s setup is great because it makes setup spec harder

[CharlotteBebe]

i feel like lynch: 5
global roleblock
lynch: 4
regular roleblock: 3 at worst
lynch

is best option.

??
did you not know i was one of the heads in this game?

[CharlotteBebe]

oh shit true.
i keep forgetting that.

[CharlotteBebe]

spiff's ascetic claim lines up.

[CharlotteBebe]

im kind of leaning that fire might be lying and targeted ank and i.

[CharlotteBebe]

firebringer comes in!
and literally does nothing to move my suspicion of him! weeeeeee!

p-edit: ??? we dont have a tracking ability

[CharlotteBebe]

also titus, itle makes most sense as strongman kill from scum to break BP.

[CharlotteBebe]

part of me wants to lynch fire for his last post alone.
i feel like that part of me is dumb though.

[CharlotteBebe]

do 3dices reads match up with a rogue scumread?
because a lot of people thought rogue was scum.
myself included.
i probably would have shot her
c:

[CharlotteBebe]

actually.
wait no.
how does pizza die then?
:/

[CharlotteBebe]

ugh yeah 3dice is sk then.
short of scum being able to shoot two people in one night with their strongman.

p-edit: fire i will quicklynch you d5 if you shitpost again.

[CharlotteBebe]

wasnt there some reason for thinking that anti had shot rogue on n1?

[CharlotteBebe]

Do it.
See what I care.

isnt it interesting how your entire personality takes a complete 180 the moment that its become pretty apparent that youre on the chopping block?
i think its interesting.

[CharlotteBebe]

this is the first time ive called you scum all game.
pardon me while i open a window to air out some of the bullshit.

[CharlotteBebe]

okay!
i did it!
its really cold out though!
could you stop spewing bullshit now!

there are like claims and vca and a whole bunch of stuff you could be talking about!

[CharlotteBebe]

Its almost like I am angry because I shouldn't be scum read at all.

do tell me.
why should you not be scum read.
tell me all about it.

[CharlotteBebe]

because titus is conftown.
3dice is not mafia.
im not mafia.
and mario is the reason that suzune is dead and i dont see him doing that as scum!
so its either spiff or you.
tell me.
why are you "clearly not scum".

[CharlotteBebe]

Why would I confirm titus as scum?

thats the lamest shit ever and self-answering.
why would you confirm titus as scum?
maybe to say exactly what youre saying right now?

[CharlotteBebe]

@CB, going to let fire answer first but there's a transparent reason to believe Fire is town.

i dont see it.

[CharlotteBebe]

its okay firebringer.
i understand that when big people have big thoughts it can be hard to understand.
or youre playing dumb.
but lets just play ball just for fun okay?

youre being snooty about how nobody should scumread you.
its apparent that scum is in you and spiff.
so the onus is on you to provide evidence as to why youre being snooty about why nobody should scumread you.
you say something thats quite frankly wifom and you should know it, thus making your snootiness just absolute rubbish!

now.
let me know when you want to start playing with the adults with your arguments and we can go back to actually progressing the game instead of you cussing people out like a little baby.

[CharlotteBebe]

im going to be a dick now yay!

[CharlotteBebe]

im saying youre acting like a child by resorting to calling me a fucking moron because you cant be fucked to actually play the game.

Incorrect, its on you to figure out who is scum between me and spiffeh. Nice try shifting the burden on to me though. I am guessing that so you can blame me in post game for not doing a good enough job on that.

it would be if you werent being unwarranted with your bullshit about how apparently obviously town you are.
especially given that the only reason you can give is null.
if youre scum youre being an ass for no reason because it makes me want to lynch you more.
if youre town then youre just bad.
and you should probably also feel bad. for lowering the discourse down to fucking garbage for no reason just because you cant handle being called scum.
as i said.
even if you are 23.
youre still a child.
assuming this isnt all an act.
which, if it is then whatever. you got me ;D

[CharlotteBebe]

i almost went back to enjoying mafia.
thanks for reminding me why i actually hate it fire.

[CharlotteBebe]

next time someone calls me scum, i'll just be a piece of shit at them until they feel like quitting.
yay!

[CharlotteBebe]

"hey gork i think youre scum"
"fuck you, you human garbage. you fucking suck.
you must literally be the dumbest fucking person ever to even call me scum ever you fucking idiot wow i hate you."

what a standard to set firebringer!
wow!
youre a great person!

[CharlotteBebe]

im probably a hypocrite.

[CharlotteBebe]

zzzz.

[CharlotteBebe]

3dice.
why are you even trying to frame titus as being potential scum here?
shes not.
stop trying.

[CharlotteBebe]

i'll start taking the calls to lynch you more seriously if you do.

[CharlotteBebe]

titus can you be up front with why fire is town.
if the goal is to torment me then thats fair, but still.

[CharlotteBebe]

youre a claimed ninja.
you being sk is always going to be on the table.

[CharlotteBebe]

glad to see fire has the conversational attention span of a stick.

[CharlotteBebe]

i hate abrasive players. they make themselves so unnecessarily hard to read.
on a side note, i think i would hate being in a game with myself.

[CharlotteBebe]

spiff needs to get in here.

p-edit: i dont think i deserve to be loved.
:'D

[CharlotteBebe]

Being overly emotional and ticking you off is not an efficient route to safety at all as scum.

im not entirely convinced that scumfire knows the most efficient way to winning.
if i ignore the last few pages, he still makes the most sense as scum based on votespread.
the only thing thats making me anxious is that spiff isnt anywhere near townie enough for me to be okay with him right now.

[CharlotteBebe]

theres also the reads that he had this game.

[CharlotteBebe]

im not against lynching 3dice.
i just want to talk out fire being scum more because im a jerk.
im gonna grab specifics now.
expecting fire to call me a fucking moron again though!
excited!

[CharlotteBebe]

in the same post:

The stupid case by PFoS to say Anti is scum is just…awful. Then itlepip sheeps it like this is still RVS >.>

Anti-Not providing any real content and not engaging with anyone.

in another post:

Suzune seems normal town her.

the spacing on the anti read is safe:

Titus is likely scum too.

My Scum List:
Titus
3dicerolling
Saki
Anti [Maybe if one of those other 3 are wrong]

theres also that both of his votes on anti and suzune fit as bussing.

[CharlotteBebe]

firefox breaks when i try to directly quote

[CharlotteBebe]

i already colored your vcaaaaaaa
can you please just look at fire's iso and search for anti/suzune references?

[CharlotteBebe]

ank says he doesnt agree with you saying that there has to be scum on saki wagon.
he thinks that the wagon happened when saki made it inevitable that he was going to die, which makes it harder to tell intent.

@titus he also wants to know if theres anything in particular you want him to look at. it will apparently help him get his head in the game.
he also wants to know what your experience is with the other slots and how capable you think they are at figuring out setups.

[CharlotteBebe]

i was about to argue with you.
but then i realized thats actually really true.

[CharlotteBebe]

do you think hes like..
a 1-shot reflexive roleblocker then? :/
even then it still makes his role kind of shitty for the scumteam in terms of synergy with a mafia doctor.

[CharlotteBebe]

im probably not gonna vote for anyone but 3dice, but i dont mind talking it out with him in the meantime!

[CharlotteBebe]

well like, itd be like..
incredibly risky for him to claim that hes 1-shot ascetic and then be able to be targeted again after that.

[CharlotteBebe]

just like in general?
would you as scum set out a claim thats easily disproved?

[CharlotteBebe]

ank and i hadnt fullclaimed.
we could have had something which could mess with a fakeclaim like that.

you hadnt fullclaimed.

we could have no lynched until we proved whether spiff was telling the truth or not.

[CharlotteBebe]

theres no reason to fakeclaim something like that.
if hes not 1-shot ascetic, then hes 1-shot reflexive roleblocker at worst.

p-edit: if hes a multi-shot and he reflexively roleblocks ANYONE after the first time it happens then hes confirmed scum.
why would he do that to himself?
that would be fucking dumb.

[CharlotteBebe]

and again like.. isnt that still just like.. broken utility for scum?
why have a mafia doctor then? it doesnt make any sense :/

[CharlotteBebe]

i wont be obnoxious about it.
im pretty fine with lynching 3dice because i think youre right there.
but like.
i just really agree with 3dice that scum having a role that actively works against their synergy just doesnt seem like something that would actually happen.

[CharlotteBebe]

but like.
mafia doctor is literally useless then.
like why even have the role in the game.

i actively feel like pie/sakura wouldnt do that.

[CharlotteBebe]

what exactly do you perceive scumfire being like thats so different from here.

[CharlotteBebe]

i want to do my cool hammer move.

[CharlotteBebe]

i almost dont want to lynch 3dice

[CharlotteBebe]

you have to vote for someone else.
3dice vote for me.
titus vote for spiffeh or some shit.

[CharlotteBebe]

im at workkkkkk.
i'll do it when im home.

[CharlotteBebe]

I bit the bullet and logged into the hydra.

Did Gork post my plan to confirm earlier? I can't remember if he did or not.

[CharlotteBebe]

No. I realized once I saw that there was only six alive that it wasn't reasonable to use to confirm us, and its unusable after today.

I was going to ask to confirm our other ability, which has a more obvious effect with significantly less risk on everyone else's end.

[CharlotteBebe]

Never mind, I'm waiting until I get my internet back. It literally took me over ten minutes to refresh.

It shouldn't be more than two hours.

[CharlotteBebe]

Alright, internet's back.

We have an ability that gives us votes depending on how many people are not voting at the time that we use the ability. If we can have people spread their votes out so that we and two other people are unvoting, we will get exactly one extra vote. I don't know if our vote counts in this, so this is the safe way to make sure we get exactly one since it works by each extra vote comes from two people not voting.

Our other ability just takes three adjacent votes on any player and moves it to whoever we are voting.

[CharlotteBebe]

In case there's any confusion whatsoever, every one of our posts from 1679 on is mine.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

ank says he doesnt agree with you saying that there has to be scum on saki wagon.
he thinks that the wagon happened when saki made it inevitable that he was going to die, which makes it harder to tell intent.

@titus he also wants to know if theres anything in particular you want him to look at. it will apparently help him get his head in the game.
he also wants to know what your experience is with the other slots and how capable you think they are at figuring out setups.

Umm Ank just said exactly what I just said.

I'd say to Ank double check the MM town assumption we've reached. Scum knew their kill failed. Capitalizing by losing the doctor to confirm themselves and saving their strongman for later. It's a little moonlogicky but confirming that it's proper to dismiss it.

Firebringer is decent at cracking setups. We have played a fair amount together. MM4 I usually see in normals. Gork you can ask him Ank. Spiffeh keeps dying in wacky setups before cracking.

The reason I wanted to know people's skill level at cracking setups is because I logicked things out during the night and came to the conclusion that shooting anyone but Titus or me was a trap. Firebringer is the only one this doesn't apply to since he (presumably? Was this ever clarified?) is the only one who would have known about the global roleblock.

I never assumed MarioManiac4 was town. I don't remember if I ever had a significant town read on him at all, actually. He's not the most suspicious person alive by a longshot anyway.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

I finally got access to my spreadsheet with role info and just looking at the kills, Spiffeh is like 99.99% scum if 3dice is a town vig.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

FB why were you so antagonistic earlier?

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

The way you were going about it was not exactly pro-town, though.

I don't see why you're so obviously town either and your posts weren't convincing me.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

So why can't you just hammer 3dice Ank?

It requires me to be voting for 3dice and three people to be voting for someone else. It's significantly more risky than what I'm proposing.

I finally got access to my spreadsheet with role info and just looking at the kills, Spiffeh is like 99.99% scum if 3dice is a town vig.

-Ank

Explain this because I am vig

In order for this to work out, all three deaths on night 2 had to have been from kills. That means Anti would have had to shoot Cold Pizza night one, then the strongman would have had to strongman kill Itlepip on night two.

I guess technically you could have been redirected to Cold Pizza too, but a redirect is kind of jagged in this setup.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

I, uh, forgot to mention why that makes Spiffeh scum.

He had the best shot out of the entire scumteam to win the game when he claimed. Suzune was already guaranteed to be lynched and Antihero had enough fire on him that him making it very far was unlikely, so he needed a way to make sure he wouldn't be caught the way Suzune did.

Everyone but Firebringer and Spiffeh has had their roles confirmed at this point, but it's far easier to believe that FB is telling the truth since we have evidence that it's genuine. Spiffeh being a strongman also makes sense with the setup.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

uhhhh, did the flip get fixed at some point? I swear I just saw doublevoter.

Ok, I'll reassess.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

How was Spiffeh's role confirmed?

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

ank.
pls.

fb targeted spiff and got no result.

[CharlotteBebe]

Yes, very likely.

My reasoning for thinking 3dice is vig doesn't really change, just doesn't implicate Spiffeh inherently anymore.

Do you still want us to confirm stuff, Titus?

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

Very well, then. Note that we'll likely be unable to use either of our remaining abilities after today.

VOTE: 3dicerolling

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

ank friggin use our hammer ability q.q
im in and out right now but like cmon i dont want to deal with not being conftown.

[CharlotteBebe]

-.-
ankkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[CharlotteBebe]

Our other ability just takes three adjacent votes on any player and moves it to whoever we are voting.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

I should've used the other one. Fuck.

[CharlotteBebe]

I'll be on this tomorrow.

-Ank

PEdit: I'm thinking the same thing, but I won't vote right away until I've had a chance to discuss it with Gork a bit.

[CharlotteBebe]

NOoooo
I'm such an idiot...
I completely forgot about this game...
I'm so sorry

did you seriously forget to roleblock?

[CharlotteBebe]

So, I didn't do anything last night. Like I think I couldve checked someone, but I didn't.

lol.

[CharlotteBebe]

i hate that both of you are in lylo right now.
because spiff has been so useless.
and youre you.

weeeeeeeee.

[CharlotteBebe]

yes.
why are you town from d1.
hit me in the face with why.

[CharlotteBebe]

nope.
0/10.

also how was saki an info role?

[CharlotteBebe]

Town Student Cop

oh. only saw the vanillaizer part.
not sure what student cop means though

[CharlotteBebe]

Read over my ISO. I feel like I know when I'm obvtown when I'm town and I definitely was Day 1.

i cant really remember you from d1 but i do intend on actually reading things when work isnt a thing.

[CharlotteBebe]

i would lynch fire off of this page alone.
good fun.

[CharlotteBebe]

because you checked the fuck out and i dont like that.

first ability is that we can target three people's votes and then put them on the person that we're currently voting as long as we arent in lylo.
second ability is that we can at any point gain an extra vote for every person who is currently not voting in the thread as long as we arent in lylo.

we can use our first ability to hammer today and our second ability at the start of the next cycle.

[CharlotteBebe]

and we had that track that we used.

[CharlotteBebe]

FB confirmed by MM block.

expardon me?

[CharlotteBebe]

also spiff are you kidding me?
you were not obvtown d1 at all.

lol.

[CharlotteBebe]

i still think fire's scum because he hasnt made a single genuine sounding post in a while.
im irked by spiff disappearing after kicking up a fuss over how obvtown he was d1 when he really wasnt obvtown at all.
that itle push felt forced earlygame and it especially felt wonky given how much he tried to draw attention to how his push on ank and i was intentionally forced and was for basically the same reason he was pushing itlepip afterwards.

i also feel like hes smart enough to know that just because hes confirmed ascetic it doesnt mean he couldnt have other abilities on top of that as scum.
so.
yay.

for another complicated endgame weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
ank pls come be my shining beacon of hope.

[CharlotteBebe]

MM didn't block anyone. Look at his post today.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

zzzz.

[CharlotteBebe]

I think I'm just going to look over my notes from early game and refresh my memory on day one stuff since I apparently had a really good grasp on the gamestate then.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

tbh, I'm leaning Firebringer-scum after an ISO check.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

hey guys im gonna do a test.

*ahem*
"i think that firebringer is scum"

if firebringer says anything that isnt "wow so unsurprising that ur scum reading me" or "ur dumb" then my theory will have been proven wrong.
preliminary results suggest this should be a resounding success though.

[CharlotteBebe]

Like I was completely open about how my itlepip vote was forced on Day 1 but I ultimately started to believe in it for reasons that I stated very clearly.

it felt more like you were being defensive when i said it felt like your itle push was forced..?

Why do you care what I think?

does fb not being confirmed via roleblock change things for you?
i personally find it really sleazy that he went along with you saying that he was town because of a roleblock that he knew hadnt happened.

[CharlotteBebe]

I don't know how this helped you at all.

illustrating a point.
that you havent provided any kind of serious content in a long time in this game.
and its not because you cant provide content in games because your first few posts had notes and reasoning behind them.

[CharlotteBebe]

Why haven't you made this clear yet?

he has made it clear...
jesus man.
:/
he said that he forgot to.

[CharlotteBebe]

burp.

[CharlotteBebe]

Hi, we're town!

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

i was thinking we could wait until 1 second before deadline to choose who to vote.

[CharlotteBebe]

Firebringer: You're already where I'm leaning on voting now and I'm giving you an opportunity to show me why lynching Spiffeh is better than you. IIRC Titus was leaning Spiffeh too, so I'd like to try to consolidate.

However, this is entirely a waste of time and effort if you're not going to try to win the game yourself.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

In simpler terms, start at least trying to change my mind. Your posts on this page do not count. If you don't, I won't override Gork hammering you.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

Its in your hands, and I don't like how you shift blame/responsibility on to me.

You gott pissed off at Gork yesterday for scumreading you, then never explained why you were obvious town. Now you're refusing to do one or both of showing why you're town or showing why Spiffeh is scum.

You're not going to win this game if you don't work for it. So work for it.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

You could go back and look at both of our ISOs but you haven't.

except i have done vca.
looked at both your isos.
and made a case on you.
that you responded to by whining and insulting me.
man.
i feel real lazy right now in comparison to all of the hard work youve done since your first post this game.

[CharlotteBebe]

tbh, I'm leaning Firebringer-scum after an ISO check.

-Ank

I have done my own analysis of the game and this is the conclusion I have reached. Gork and I discussed briefly in our hydra PT and our assessments matched.

Combine this with your hostility when asked why our read on you is wrong, and now your current hostility when I'm literally saying in the thread that I'm going to listen to what you have to say. It's not exactly screaming town.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

Combine this with your hostility

Is hostility a scum tell now? I always considered more townie than scummy.

When it's specifically used to avoid contributing, then it's anti-town at best.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

scumfb that cares about winning votes for spiff here.
if you frame any action a certain way, it can be made to look scummy or townie.
if firebringer is scum, he doesnt care about making himself seem like he cares about winning here.

[CharlotteBebe]

make a meta case for fb being town.
if youre so confident in your ability to read him.

[CharlotteBebe]

Combine this with your hostility

Is hostility a scum tell now? I always considered more townie than scummy.

When it's specifically used to avoid contributing, then it's anti-town at best.

-Ank

You are tunneling. Scum FB votes Spiffeh here imo.

My entire point here is that he's actively refusing to work with me. The case on Spiffeh would have to be really damn good for me to overlook that when I'm already leaning towards him being scum.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

do you care about winning right now fire?

[CharlotteBebe]

great.

[CharlotteBebe]

im glad the choices youre giving me are listen to you blindly on this or be a huge asshole. you cant articulate reasoning or provide games or literally anything that might illustrate why youre reading him the way youre reading him? because if i sheep you on this and youre wrong im gonna be pissed off that you didnt give me shit to actually look into..

[CharlotteBebe]

because

our

slot is tunneling.

[CharlotteBebe]

I think I look town by VCA. I mean, haven't I lynched every scum?
Unless you assume I bussed them all.

your votes look plausibly like busvotes.
i think its scarier for scum to not bus in some situations.
and i think suzune and anti were both dead in the water when you made your votes on both of them.

[CharlotteBebe]

okay.
im gonna do a dedicated meta dive over next two days.
will be hammering sometime tomorrow night.

[CharlotteBebe]

spiff seems town via meta.
my only hesitation is a lack of scum-meta to cross-reference.
i have a few notes on his scumgame but nothing i noted there is showing up here.

[CharlotteBebe]

every game ive read of fire's where he was town he tried harder than he did this game.

[CharlotteBebe]

would like more scum games to look at though.

[CharlotteBebe]

work is slow today. which is mostly good. how about you?

[CharlotteBebe]

imma hammer you bish.

[CharlotteBebe]

damn.
the callouts.

[CharlotteBebe]

It's ok we'll win once GorkAnkton hammer.

why arent you fighting fire.

[CharlotteBebe]

Suzune literally comes up about 3 times in FB's ISO and 29 times in Spiffeh's ISO
I don't know about y'all but I'm not so keen on that or FB's case but until Spiffeh responds I won't comment on it any further.

This is much less significant than the timing and 'type' of mentions they were.

-Ank

[CharlotteBebe]

hm.

[CharlotteBebe]

your future is less important than this game youre playing over the internet with strangers.

[CharlotteBebe]

wheres the fire.
brah.

[CharlotteBebe]

lol okay.

vote: firebringer

pew pew pew pew pew.
you scum spiff?