⅋ - THE WICK WAS TURNED DOWN. THE FLUTE WAS BLOWN INTO.

Aristophanes · Post Post #23 (isolation #0) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:16 am

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Damned replacements.

Let us know when you've caught up.

Aristophanes · Post Post #33 (isolation #1) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:20 pm

In post 24, pistachi0n wrote:VOTE: Aristophanes

I don't trust your face of stone.

What about my rock hard ab-- Oh My Zeus!
Where is the rest of my body!?!?!?

Aristophanes · Post Post #34 (isolation #2) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:22 pm

In post 26, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 21, BBmolla wrote:I'm a Druid.

I can win with the Romans

This is a lie, lynch all liars
VOTE: BBMolla

In post 22, Nosferatu wrote:why shouldnt you

VOTE: Aristo

Our first game together on MS and not even a hi?, im sad AT.

I was gonna mention that the druids leave if only one is left, but you got there.

Also, is AT Nos or ArosTophanes?
Either way, Hiiiii Sakura!

Aristophanes · Post Post #36 (isolation #3) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:46 pm

Whoops, I misspelled my own name there.

Regardless, can you walk me through FA and GL reads please?
It's not that I disagree, I just want to know if there's anything more to them (mostly GL, becuase I read his vote as flippant, and thus nothing worth targeting. Why is his "You know why" reasoning more likely to come from scum?)

Aristophanes · Post Post #38 (isolation #4) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:05 pm

In post 37, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 36, Aristophanes wrote:I just want to know if there's anything more to them

Not really, but it's good enough for the ammount of info out there right now for me.

I can live with that

Aristophanes · Post Post #40 (isolation #5) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:16 pm

VOTE: Pistach

Pista, we literally just went through this.
The PM clearly says the Druids need to be dead

or gone

.

Why throw away the chance for info if Molla is willing?
Getting rid of him right now is more Druid-sided than Roman.

Aristophanes · Post Post #75 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:33 am

^ I was guessing from the PMs that they cannot, since it says "another player" not "a player but a good point to clarify.

If not, FA, can you send in BBMolla as your name tonight to confirm your claim please.

Aristophanes · Post Post #79 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:38 am

In post 41, Quilford wrote:And what exactly are we to gain from the list of three names Molla will provide for us if he lives until tomorrow?

VOTE: Aristophanes

I was gonna answer this, but I think we all just talked it through.
The lists tell us potentially quite a lot about the Druids. Their choices can be telling, and in a case as such, or a few other siruations, they can confirm non-druid roles.

It still leaves the Mage, and SKs can be a bitch, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Aristophanes · Post Post #80 (isolation #8) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:38 am

Also, why was that worth a vote on me, Quill?
Seems a tad aggressive

Aristophanes · Post Post #93 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:52 am

In post 81, Quilford wrote:Elaborate on what you think the lists potentially tell us about the Druids.

Okay, so, what can the lists tell us?
Well, to begin with, FA is out of lynch rotation for now, as our provider.
They are going to confirm BBMolla tonight as non-druid, which is great, though I suspect they will die because of it. If they do not die for a long period, as conf-non-druid and surefire kill for the Mage, they may hold that spot themselves. With the gambit at the beginning though, I doubt it. (Not definite for reasons that should be discernable).

As the days progress, there is a good chance others will be conftowned by the lists.
As Druids can neither name the same person twice, nor name themselves, we can PoE a lot of info.

We also have the 3rd naming at our disposal, which can potentially help us. As we know where it is coming from, if the other two target the same person at any point, we know that they are non-druid. In theory we don't need FA to target them to confirm, if we trust her lists and claimed targets, which I see no reason not to at this point. It would be against her wincon to do so as she needs druid lynches as much as we do.

Did I really have to spell this all out for you Quill?

Aristophanes · Post Post #94 (isolation #10) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:56 am

Also, Von, please read up and let us know your updated thoughts. This game isn't as simple as Town v Scum v Sk.

Aristophanes · Post Post #136 (isolation #11) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:41 pm

Nos, how is GL confirmed Non-Druid??

Also, reason for your Shiro vote is...?

Aristophanes · Post Post #138 (isolation #12) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:43 pm

In post 103, Quilford wrote:Yeah. What I think Aris meant was that molla would die, but he wrote a confusing sentence.

^ That was what I meant in my fail of a sentence. Damned pronouns mucked it up.

Aristophanes · Post Post #140 (isolation #13) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:00 pm

Lots of theory talk. This setup is neat!

Druids only win when the other two die. If the Mage wins, the druids do not unless they already have won by being the only one left.
FA is confirmable, and is Mylo lynch if needed to ensure our fate.
BBMolla

could

still be Mage. If they got the list and saw their name twice, they'd know they could possibly goad a druid out with the fakeclaim. It'd be a huge risk though, and i don't think it at all likely. Just thoughts that I'm putting out there now for down the road if needed.

Do we think the best course of action is a nolynch?
In general, I am against them, but with the setup and the lists, is this a better shit at survival than a shot in the dark? I'm almost thinking so.
Then again, the lists only help us get Druids, whereas Mage is still hidden, and is realistically our priority.

Aristophanes · Post Post #141 (isolation #14) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:04 pm

In post 139, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 137, Sakura Hana wrote:There are a few holes in that logic, she'll become either conf druid or conf mage tomorrow so there's no way she'll live to MYLO if she's Mage anyhow as i explained earlier unless a Druid wants her to live.
Why wont druids want to lynch the Mage? Mage's existance makes it more likely romans will die, and they could just claim and try to make town decide which of the druids wins, you're discounting other possibilities. That being said, they def. should NOT claim before the Mage dies, since it'll make it guaranteed someone will die during the night.

Well I'm assuming we're working with FA here and keeping her alive as long as she gives us the lists. Which means Druids do not want us to lynch the Mage because Romans+FA will win as soon as that happens, given FA's claim. No lynch + deduce Druids = instant win for Romans+FA.

I'm currently wondering if this is a real or fake town-slip:

In post 41, Quilford wrote:And what exactly are we to gain from the list of three names Molla will provide for us
if he lives until tomorrow?

VOTE: Aristophanes

because the
motivation
for this vote is scummy as fuck, but the bolded implies lack of knowledge of Night 0 results.

What do you guys think?

I feel like I want Quill to be scummy, but that's probably mostly Omgus.
I'll have to reread him to give you an answer here.

Aristophanes · Post Post #157 (isolation #15) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:36 am

In post 147, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 140, Aristophanes wrote:Druids only win when the other two die. If the Mage wins, the druids do not unless they already have won by being the only one left.
FA is confirmable, and is Mylo lynch if needed to ensure our fate.

if in mylo you lynch me you just go in another mylo :/ just without me ...

you really need to summarize these things for yourself .

I know, it just gives us more time to figure things out.
Though I suppose at that point, out chances of hitting scum would be pretty good, be it another druid or the Mage, and it gives us your vote to go along with the town's...
So you're right, a different lynch is probably better for our overall survival, rather than simply avoiding the inevitable.

I rescind my statement that you are the best Lylo kill.

Aristophanes · Post Post #161 (isolation #16) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:12 am

In post 158, Frozen Angel wrote:w8 how many votes are in me?!!!

4?!!!!! :O

people wtf! are you even thinking about what your doing?!

Your over reactions to votes are funny, FA.

Also, we have only 2 days left?
Let's consolidate on a wagon.

Pisa is voting Molla, which is dumb.
Von and Not Mafia are voting FA, for RVS?
Both have read enough to know this is bad. Von has disappeared and NM just got here. I'd say Von looks worse for it.

VOTE: Von

Shiro, Molla, why no votes yet?

Quill, Nos, I'm not getting the same vibe as you from Shiro.
I'll keep my eye on them though.

Aristophanes · Post Post #163 (isolation #17) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:30 am

Thus their votes being bad. I was gonna ask you to vote Von with me, but ya beat me to it!

And good to know on the playstyle. It is noted for future games.

Aristophanes · Post Post #173 (isolation #18) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:04 am

In post 169, Frozen Angel wrote:w8! I just remembered something! Aristo you asked me to target BBmola to be confirmed druid.

but you can't be sure of the list unless your getting it as well!

this whole proving thing sucks!

your a mage/druid!

VOTE: Aristo

Oh come on.
I'm giving you the BOTD and trusting you, thus I'm Druid?

Frozen Angel wrote:If I just solved the game I will ask for a medal after game finished.

Sorry, no medal this game.

Aristophanes · Post Post #175 (isolation #19) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:06 am

In post 165, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 164, GuiltyLion wrote:Terrible reasoning! We are absolutely lynching in FA in LYLO. It's the exact same as if we were in a regular mafia game, and had a confirmed scum in LYLO. If it's 3v2, for example, and one of the 2 is confirmed scum, you don't say "oh well we'll still be in LYLO even if we lynch the scum so we'll leave them alive". You lynch the scum, narrow the pool further, and keep playing.

imagine we are in a lylo. I am a confirmed druid with no ability to night kill.you can try to kill the mage or kill me. if you kill me you just omit a confirmed druid and you will be in lylo again. just without me. whats the benefit of that?

If in Lylo and we already have a dead druid, FA is ideal kill.
Gets rid of both druids, and gets us out of Lylo.

Otherwise it's not hugely helpful imo.

Aristophanes · Post Post #177 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:09 am

In post 174, Frozen Angel wrote:you were so sure about my night results ...

the only way for that is to be a mage or other druid

Your claim is reasonable and we have a rare chance tu confirm someone and have some results we can trust.

I'm not "so sure about them," I am merely believing your claim. Would you rather I assume you're fakeclaiming and lynch you? Because if we can't trust the lists, what is the point?

Aristophanes · Post Post #179 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:11 am

In post 176, Frozen Angel wrote: ha that's the definition of betrayal! you must try to kill the mage instead of solving druid cases in lylo ...

No it's called playing to one's wincon. In Lylo, it would get rid of 2 players, giving us the upper hand against the Mage and more info from interactions, lists, and flips.

Aristophanes · Post Post #183 (isolation #22) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:17 am

In post 181, Frozen Angel wrote:"join me on Nosferatu then"

she thinks my results are confirmed but saying I'm not confirmed!

I was just gonna say "what'd the case? They seem more misguided than scummy."
But you beat me to it.

I'd still prefer Von, but I'll go for this.
VOTE: Nos

Their mistake on GL is weird though, and not something I'd assume from a Druid.

Aristophanes · Post Post #184 (isolation #23) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:19 am

In post 182, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 175, Aristophanes wrote:If in Lylo and we already have a dead druid, FA is ideal kill.
Gets rid of both druids, and gets us out of Lylo.

Otherwise it's not hugely helpful imo.

How is it not hugely helpful? If in LYLO, lynching FA is 100% chance of scum and game continuing vs. some lower % chance of scum with the risk of mislynch and auto-loss. Then, the Mage will NK and take us into the next day with one fewer person alive and a statistically increased chance of hitting remaining scum, be it Druid or Mage.

FA is indisputably a LYLO lynch, she is no longer useful by that point because if we mislynch we lose.

Iunno, I see what you're saying, it just feels wrong.
I can't disagree with the logic I guess.

Aristophanes · Post Post #186 (isolation #24) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:23 am

In post 185, Frozen Angel wrote:Its wrong because my heart will be broken

Hey, perhaps we will be super awesome and win before then!

I have faith in the Romans! They conquered England with [relative] ease, right?

Aristophanes · Post Post #193 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:38 am

In post 191, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 190, Frozen Angel wrote:according to this logic you have my read lists . sorry that I found out that ...

well since you're claiming im either druid or mage off of this, its safe to assume you're not lying about the list, so thanks for affirming my trust in your list o/

FA already spoke with me about the list, and accused me with the se conviction. Why did you and she have to go through it too in order for you to believe it?

Aristophanes · Post Post #199 (isolation #26) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:58 pm

In post 198, pistachi0n wrote:So the lists just say who the druids targeted? They don't do anything else?

I misunderstood earlier, we should look for the mage and then pick off BBMolla and Frozen Angel.

VOTE: Nostefaru

Why would we "pick off" Molla?
What about FA? They are helping us and their lynch has been a prime discussion point lately.
Why are you commenting on this so passively rather than making a hard stance or saying the whwn/why modifiers in tour above statement?

Also, what did you think the lists did earlier? This may help clarify your thought process.

Aristophanes · Post Post #224 (isolation #27) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:33 am

In post 222, Nosferatu wrote:I don't understand why me accidentally failing to underline GL's name makes me mage.

This is untrue. Reading back, it was no accident.

You say you forgot Druids could target other Druids.
you bolded it thinking he was conf'd.

Aristophanes · Post Post #240 (isolation #28) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:03 pm

In post 238, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 204, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 202, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 201, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 199, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 198, pistachi0n wrote:So the lists just say who the druids targeted? They don't do anything else?

I misunderstood earlier, we should look for the mage and then pick off BBMolla and Frozen Angel.

VOTE: Nostefaru

Why would we "pick off" Molla?
What about FA? They are helping us and their lynch has been a prime discussion point lately.
Why are you commenting on this so passively rather than making a hard stance or saying the whwn/why modifiers in tour above statement?

Also, what did you think the lists did earlier? This may help clarify your thought process.

I mean we lynch Molla and FA after we lynch the mage because all of the druids have to be dead or gone.

I didn't know what the lists did earlier, I was confused.

There's like no way you didn't see my post

UNVOTE: Shiro
VOTE: Pistachion

The one where you asked why I'm voting? Why shouldn't I be voting?

also why is everyone else ignoring this post?

What, in this post, would you like to highlight?

Aristophanes · Post Post #241 (isolation #29) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:04 pm

In post 239, Not_Mafia wrote:Work is manic right now sorry, will catch up wednesday, or tuesday night if i can

That will be D2. I hope to see you come back with some good insight!

Aristophanes · Post Post #243 (isolation #30) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 1:29 pm

In post 242, Not_Mafia wrote:well you'll see me

Lol
That's something I guess

Aristophanes · Post Post #250 (isolation #31) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 2:56 pm

In post 246, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 240, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 238, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 204, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 202, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 201, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 199, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 198, pistachi0n wrote:So the lists just say who the druids targeted? They don't do anything else?

I misunderstood earlier, we should look for the mage and then pick off BBMolla and Frozen Angel.

VOTE: Nostefaru

Why would we "pick off" Molla?
What about FA? They are helping us and their lynch has been a prime discussion point lately.
Why are you commenting on this so passively rather than making a hard stance or saying the whwn/why modifiers in tour above statement?

Also, what did you think the lists did earlier? This may help clarify your thought process.

I mean we lynch Molla and FA after we lynch the mage because all of the druids have to be dead or gone.

I didn't know what the lists did earlier, I was confused.

There's like no way you didn't see my post

UNVOTE: Shiro
VOTE: Pistachion

The one where you asked why I'm voting? Why shouldn't I be voting?

also why is everyone else ignoring this post?
What, in this post, would you like to highlight?

You don't see a problem in voting simply because you don't have a reason not to?

I mean, I feel like it was more of a devil's advocate question, but i definitely see what you're saying.
Very possible lynch tomorrow.

Aristophanes · Post Post #253 (isolation #32) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:54 pm

In post 252, Frozen Angel wrote:ha

Ha?

Aristophanes · Post Post #255 (isolation #33) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:03 pm

In post 254, Frozen Angel wrote:ha means I'm sad and desperate and can't see another game lost for nothing

Oh, feeling exasperated. Well, this game is still full of potential! No reason to give up here!

We'll have a flip or two to go on tomorrow and have hopefully bagged us an anti-Roman today, allowing you to survive just fine! We won't know until somebody hammers though.
I'd like it very much if that would happen.

Aristophanes · Post Post #306 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:40 am

VOTE: VonFlare

FA, you can calm down.
I will not be voting you at any point in this game. You have my word on that.

Also, holy shit, that lynch was awesome!
I told you there was plenty of potential left in the game!

Though, the setup does needs a bit of a recalibration.
For now, will fulfill our Wincon and honour the agreement with FA, since that is the right thing to do.

Aristophanes · Post Post #326 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:57 pm

I don't feel the need to reiterate my thoughts on the matter.

We have a lynch, right?

Aristophanes · Post Post #331 (isolation #36) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:16 pm

In post 329, vonflare wrote:optimal play is to lynch me and fa

Optimal Shmoptimal.
I'm a man of my word

Aristophanes · Post Post #333 (isolation #37) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:39 pm

In post 332, pistachi0n wrote:Was vonflare lynched?

I just counted...he has 9 votes.

Aristophanes · Post Post #334 (isolation #38) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:40 pm

(Everyone but BBMolla, himself included)

Aristophanes · Post Post #338 (isolation #39) » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:21 pm

In post 337, Sakura Hana wrote:Why is vonflare still alive.

Just awaiting a floppy floppy from Mr. B.
I'm sure it won't be long...

Aristophanes · Post Post #339 (isolation #40) » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:22 pm

Molla, wanna vote him to make it unanimous?

Aristophanes · Post Post #341 (isolation #41) » Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:56 pm

In post 340, vonflare wrote:ded me please.

ded FA tomorrow

Aristophanes · Post Post #350 (isolation #42) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:52 am

In post 348, Frozen Angel wrote:Last night list :

Aristophanes
Shiro

Ari is clear (shiro was my choice)

VOTE: Pistachi0n

Cool!

VOTE: Pistach

Aristophanes · Post Post #354 (isolation #43) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:20 pm

In post 353, pistachi0n wrote:I really was a Roman, you guys could win if you lynch FA next turn.

5 to lynch, lynched in 5 posts. This has got to be a record! XD

Were narrowing the pool for now, we'll get the other Druid soon.

FA

will not be lynched!

So, yeah...

Aristophanes · Post Post #362 (isolation #44) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:59 pm

In post 361, Sakura Hana wrote:So who else is confirmed not druid FA?

^^^

Aristophanes · Post Post #364 (isolation #45) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:01 pm

VOTE: Guilty Lion

Aristophanes · Post Post #405 (isolation #46) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:26 am

In post 386, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
GuiltyLion has been lynched. He was a druid.

Frozen Angel and the town win, congratulations!

Yay!

GL, I almost switched at the end, if that makes you feel better.

I agree that a random Druid kill would be a good idea to add after Mage death.

Congrats FA!

Aristophanes · Post Post #422 (isolation #47) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:49 pm

/prein?

Aristophanes · Post Post #426 (isolation #48) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:07 pm

In post 424, BBmolla wrote:
In post 423, Quilford wrote:
In post 411, BBmolla wrote:"Just cause it was broken this game doesn't make it broken!"

Lmfao

That's like saying a game with one Mafia is broken if they're lynched day one. Or a game with one Mafia and a number of Traitors.

Wrong. In those cases Mafia can still win.

If the Mage is lynched day 1 or 2 currently and a druid claims, the other two druids literally can't win.

Well, at least one of the druids can't win. The other could if the claimed one is then lynched (ex. GL) right?

Aristophanes · Post Post #429 (isolation #49) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:51 am

I could have, but saw no point. Awarding potential help is good and something I stand for.
I feel like, if the wincon isn't at steak, I would have done the same thing regardless who had claimed it.

Aristophanes · Post Post #430 (isolation #50) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:52 am

In post 427, BBmolla wrote:Follow the cop isn't broken cause the doctor could potentially die night 1 right

I get it.

I wasn't saying you're wrong, I was merely filling in a spot you had omitted.