503: Dead People Have Powers - Happiness Or Destruction?

[kabenon007]

So, if I am reading this correctly, the only way that our power roles, eg. the doc and cop, will have any sort of power, is if they are dead. So the question that obviously comes from this is do we have them come out so we can lynch them and thereby have power roles, or do we wait and try to lynch scum the old fashion way, and if we hit one of our power roles, then all the better? I'm leaning toward the latter, since we might hit scum without sacrificing any townie deaths, but in the event of a mislynch we can gain a little something from it.

[kabenon007]

no, ckillor, as I gathered from the setup, it's three phases, as in Day1, Night1, Day2. So the power role would get power either day2 or night 2. So we would lose one other person, I believe. I could have interpreted it wrong, but that is what I gather.

[kabenon007]

spambot raises a good point. I could see that as a distinctly possible scenario, but I would hope that Max has some sort of counter to that, for that would just make the game far too easy, and therefore boring. I would assume that the major counter to spambot's point is that scum could claim cop as well, and then we are right back to square one, and then what? We really have no information to make an educated guess as to who is the true cop or doc or whatever. As far as I can see, the first person we lynch needs to be town... power role. I think. This game is going to fry my already fragile mind!!!

[kabenon007]

so neutrals are almost like their own faction, kinda. They want to survive, where town just wants mafia dead? Is that correct? And we won't be able to tell if a scum is dead cuz they will be called vanilla, and we won't know until they pass into the afterlife that they are scum? So much info! Head... can't... take it... *boom*

[kabenon007]

I think our best bet then is to have power roles claim. But keep the spirit channeler person secret. What does everyone else think? I'm not sure if I like the idea of our hopes hinging on a plan that even we don't know. Sorry kilroy, but I'm not that trusting of a person. You could be scum seeking the channeler. If all the vanillas claim, and then we lynch all of our power roles so they can get power, then there would only be one person left: the channeler. And then you kill him off and the scum channeler, and boom! we're left without power roles.

[kabenon007]

Mm... I missed that you said Talker People should claim vanilla too... but still I don't like the thought of the whole town following one person, especially this early in a game that needs the perfect first move.

[kabenon007]

What other choice have we, other than to just hunt scum on our own and then, by process of elimination, we have our power roles and vanillas? I suppose that that could actually work, really. But I don't really see another option, other than kilroy's master plan.

[kabenon007]

We also could just lynch a vanilla townie first, just to get a townie as the first person lynched kind of thing, you know? Just a thought.

[kabenon007]

How do you know that the first one you killed is a real townie?

How will know that we have killed a real power role? We just have to use our judgement, I guess.

[kabenon007]

I think that this has already been suggested, but if we get into a really nasty counter-claim war our odds of not lynching scum (the desireable case) would actually be higher at that point if we just picked someone from the vanilla pool.

I infer from this post you think there is a greater chance of us hitting scum than a townie, correct? But I think you are wrong. Even if all the scum claim vanilla, that is three to what? Like, supposing that there are 9 left, minus scum, then take out the two power roles doc and cop. there are still 7 townies we could hit. 7:3 is much better odds of hitting a townie than if we have the power roles claim and then have scum claim as well, which would lead to odds like 2:1 or even 2:2. So in my opinion trying to lynch a vanilla is the best option, as the ratio of scum to vanilla is more favorable.

[kabenon007]

Duh, sorry, I misinterpretted there night_light. My mistake. I missed the "higher..."

[kabenon007]

Damn college is frying my ability to read!

[kabenon007]

I'm game for Y's suggestion, so long as the group picked from is decided after everyone, and I mean everyone! has claimed. No one can be left out on this one. Everyone must claim, or the entire purpose is defeated.

[kabenon007]

Yeah death_omen. We don't want scum lynched first. Care to explain this slip-up?

[kabenon007]

Yes, I believe there used to be No Lynch. However, after a few people pointed out that we could just Lynch the Cop and go No Lynch until he's investigated everybody, Max probably removed that rule. He even added that even if a Deadline should be imposed, there must still be a Lynch.

When did Max say these things? I do not remember them... maybe my brain is fried, but I don't recall...

[kabenon007]

yep, I think the sooner we get this going, the less time the scum have to come up with an idea as to how to escape.

[kabenon007]

Well, I really don't like how the mass role claim was set off so abruptly, but I guess there's no stopping it now. Allow me to introduce myself: kabenon007,

cop of dead people have powers.

[kabenon007]

and spambot, why would waiting to see what other people claim have any difference on your claim at all? Wouldn't your claim remain the same?

[kabenon007]

I am curious what you think should've been done differently. Do you think it should've been more structured? Did you like the idea of 24 hours notice? Please explain why you disagree with the abruptness - I personally only see it hindering the scums.

I really liked the idea of randomness to see who went next, because then scum would be put on the spot in possibly a moment's notice, and if it took em awhile to respond, well it's obvious why. With everyone just mass claiming now, the scum can sit back and see what happens, and then act based on other's role claims.

FOV Kilroy

for counterclaiming cop. Not a good idea, scum. Should have stuck with vanilla.

[kabenon007]

Very nice kilroy. Make an argument against my claim by turning my own line against me. Creative

Cute. I'm not going to argue with you, because there's no argument either of us can make to convince the Town. You know you're scum, I know you're scum, and I know I'm the Cop. That's as far as we can go, really.

Sounds like an argument to me.

[kabenon007]

Well, I think it is needless to say who I think the real cop is, but should any of you not be reading the thread (as it has been accused), I am the real cop. I'm actually interested in where Kilroy gets the idea that I am antagnonistic.

Kilroy will jump on this opportunity, but I think Spambot is the real doc. I just think that throughout this game he has given off a much more town vibe, more actively helping than RandomActs has. As for the remaining scum who claimed town, I cannot say for sure. I will think about it and reread and post that little nugget of wisdom later.

[kabenon007]

Also, happy birthday to our own DG!

[kabenon007]

While you are waiting Kilroy, perhaps you could answer the question I posed, which you are so casually avoiding.

[kabenon007]

Hm... okay, so it wasn't a direct question, it was more inferred, but still...

Here, for clarity's sake, how do you find me antagonistic, Kilroy?

[kabenon007]

The point was, Kilroy, that you

were

arguing with me. I was merely pointing out the fact that you were doing what you said you wouldn't do. I didn't press it further.

[kabenon007]

Argument: a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.

You know you're scum

ie: You're scum
connected to:

I know you're scum

ie: you're scum
connected to:

and I know I'm the Cop

ie: you aren't the cop, and therefore scum
connected to:

Thoughts: Spambot, I think, is the scums. Based on the way Kabenon & he interacted

ie:Spambot and I are scum buddies, which implies that Kilroy thinks I am scum.

all this amounts to the proposition that Kilroy thinks I am scum. Perhaps you should have consulted that dictionary before asking me to.

[kabenon007]

Yes, but if we lynch a power role claimed mafia, they will show up as vanilla, not the power role that he claimed. So either way you would know.

[kabenon007]

And I am working on my case against Kilroy, just wanted to post that little tidbit.

[kabenon007]

Throughout this game, Kilroy has been attempting to lead the town, which is something a cop does not do. A cop is meant to guide, not lead. In the beginning of the game, he made the suggestion of a plan. But he would not reveal the nuances of said plan, thereby, if the town were to go along with his proposal, we would have basically given over control to Kilroy. Also, he tries to take power again in his pre-emptive initiation of the claim with his dice roll in post 74. He starts the ball rolling early, without the consent of I don't believe anyone. Here again is an example of Kilroy attempting to garner himself some control.


Also, his arguments against me so far, (and he doesn't even call them arguments) have been feeble at best. He argues my arguments are Straw-Man, but I can't even see a spot where I really had to make much of an argument. The whole first day was not about arguments, but about setting up strategy and deciding how to go about lynching so we could have ourselves a town transporter. It seems to me that Kilroy was looking for something to say against me and didn't bother to go back and read the thread. That is my case, feel free to ask questions if you wish.

[kabenon007]

It kind of bothers me that they both didn't start the day off by voting for themselves. That's what I would have done as either. Neither of them did, though, so it must not mean anything.

Lol... in all honesty... I forgot we could vote for ourselves...

vote kabenon007

[kabenon007]

Okay, I've got a question for the town. Who should I investigate? I was planning on investigating one of the docs. That way we would have two confirmed scum instead of one. Or I could get to work on finding the one hiding among the vanillas. What do you guys think would be more beneficial?

[kabenon007]

although, innocent vanillas that get sent to the afterlife can no longer vote, and any townie votes would be a good thing. You get where I'm coming from on this?

[kabenon007]

I'm not saying we should be doing that instead, I can see how it would be advantageous to send every vanilla on, but it's just a thought I had.

[kabenon007]

Well, the reason I asked then was because I was, I believe, sitting at -1, and I didn't want to get lynched without asking first, cuz then I would have not known the town's opinion. If I was lynched, the game would close, no more discussion, and I would make my own decision.

[kabenon007]

Okay, basically RandomActs disappears for awhile, and then he comes back and states basically what we all have been saying all along. He provides no real input, and this only reinforces my belief in Spambot as the real doc.

[kabenon007]

Hey, a clarification from the players, I can't recall if this was said or not, but do neutrals show up as town as well once they are dead?

[kabenon007]

Let us know if you have any questions, unless it's something like "What should I do if I'm neutral?" which wouldn't be wise

Good thing neutrals would come up neutrals, cuz I was gonna jump on you for this post! It seemed to me almost a covert message to your fellow neutral! Lol, but I guess it is an irrelevant point now... lucky for you...

[kabenon007]

No death_omen. I am the real cop. I got my investigation and everything done. Setael is scum, and must have just waited on her kill for someone else to be lynched so she would have someone to pin as scum. Cuz I investigated you, and you turned up townie. So Setael was scum. She just waited. Smart move.

[kabenon007]

No, guys, seriously. Setael must be the scum, she's gonna send me to the afterlife now, and blame it on you guys because she was just "following what the town wanted her to do." You just have to trust me on this. Alright, I'll say what needs to be said, but I can't say more. I've got a post restriction.

[kabenon007]

Um, when I got lynched. I can't tell you my true role, nor the implications it gives the town. But I can tell you it has something to do with the number of dead people.

[kabenon007]

Minus the transporter that is.

[kabenon007]

Guys, you have no idea what I can do with my role now that I am dead. Just trust me on this. You'll see when another person is lynched today. Just wait until the next day. Then you'll see.

[kabenon007]

I have no idea about night_light. I had no idea that I would be given this power, so I guess it's possible she could have something. But I doubt it. I was a power role, so... Post restrictions suck! Just wait for a little bit longer before you jump to conclusions about me... just a little bit longer.

[kabenon007]

She's going to send me on anyways. She's scum and I'm something I can't say yet. Of course she'll send me on. And she'll blame it on you guys! The only thing I can tell you is to trust what will happen later... just trust me.

[kabenon007]

Haha, so, looks like you finally came around, did you? Well, I have to say, Y, I'm surprised you don't believe me, seeing as how you are my scum buddy. I would have thought you would have not gone right for the throat with your first post. Oh well.

Vote Skitzer

[kabenon007]

Hey Draux, why don't you post a little more content, so they won't know you are my scum buddy?

[kabenon007]

Spambot spambot, you do have fallacies in your logic. You want to lynch scum, and yet you do not volunteer yourself? They already know, spambot, they already know.

[kabenon007]

We should check his actions before he admitted he's scum.

You mean this one?

No death_omen. I am the real cop. I got my investigation and everything done. Setael is scum, and must have just waited on her kill for someone else to be lynched so she would have someone to pin as scum. Cuz I investigated you, and you turned up townie. So Setael was scum. She just waited. Smart move.

[kabenon007]

i would actually be OK with lynching either kilroy or spambot or random acts - i think we should just clear all three of them out and transport the vanillas.

Not a good idea. We're both dead, once they lynch the last scum, game over for us. Come on, think Night_Light.

[kabenon007]

you guys are making a huge mistake. Once two scum are dead, we get two night kills... yeah! And if the two power roles are in purgatory at the same time, they will both be removed, as only one God can exist, so to speak. So yeah... have fun with no doc around if you decide to lynch the cop. What good will he do you anyway?

[kabenon007]

Are you willing to take the chance that what I say is true, Mr. Y?

[kabenon007]

what makes you sure there is a cop?

[kabenon007]

read your post again ckillor, and you have answered your own question, heavy emphasis on that last part about brilliant.

[kabenon007]

Because they realize that the implications of what I say, be they true or false, could have possible represcussions that could well be avoided.

[kabenon007]

Perhaps you should actually listen to the will of the town and stop forcing your own will on them, Y.

[kabenon007]

Of course you would say that. There was so many variables in this game, who knows who the real enemy is. Am I the enemy Y? Or are you?

[kabenon007]

My vote is on skitzer... my my... he's not my scum buddy.

unvote

[kabenon007]

Don't worry spambot, when you die, much is revealed.

[kabenon007]

Hey guys... you ever wonder why in the vote count above, Max lists who voted for who and in what order? Is there something worth checking out there? Is there possible implications...? It's different than usual. Why is that?

[kabenon007]

changing your opinion on me, ckillor? A few posts ago you were ready to believe me. Don't tell me Y has you that wrapped around his finger... that is funny.

[kabenon007]

listen to the all-powerful Max. Not open setup. Therefore, I pose the following... cop or no cop? Doc or no doc? Discuss

[kabenon007]

Are you sure there is a cop?

[kabenon007]

unvote, vote kilroy

[kabenon007]

drat, I thought I would be the one to lynch kilroy...

unvote

...

[kabenon007]

I don't know Setael, looks like there is some confusion as to whether or not everyone is not listening to me...

[kabenon007]

Sigh... this game was really hard for scum to win at... and sorry for my massive spamming, I swear I'm not that big of an asshole in real life. I just felt kinda powerless after I died. Oh well... good game played by all.