League of Mafia (GG No Re)

[Aj The Epic]

~ootay~

Mod confirmed went Challenging smite, can target champions.

And this is 11 btw

[Aj The Epic]

Actually,

Aj was that a serious post? Did you just claim dayvig? If so, why?

???

"Mod confirmed has challenging smite".

From OP:

Hydras are allowed, but I will be very strict towards them. You are one playerslot. If you post using your main account on purpose, I WILL SMITE YOU. If you do not quote every out-of-hydra posts to include them into your hydra ISO, I WILL SMITE YOU.

YOU MAY NOT EGOPOST YOUR MAIN ACCOUNT INTO THE GAME, I WILL SMITE YOU

. Clear enough? <3

[Aj The Epic]

RC did you just scum slip by not reading your PM well?

[Aj The Epic]

My initial belief was the players in game were town, outside scum. Obviously hearing someone not be apart of the game is suspicious.

Fuck it, I can't ignore this.

Unvote; Vote: RC

AJ+RC scumbuddies, maybe but I like RC a lot more. This isn't town RC, people.

This is a wretched post on multiple levels. First off, you're assuming OUT THE GATE I imply RCB being scum when we're same team, no prompt or wagon whatsoever. Secondly, you have nothing behind either assumption and are counting eggs before they hatch. Pretty opportunistic.

VOTE: hinduragi

[Aj The Epic]

Yeah because the single most effective scum strategy is to bus your partner's ass first post out of confirms.

[Aj The Epic]

Yeah because the single most effective scum strategy is to bus your partner's ass first post out of confirms.

It's been done many times in the past, it's not surprising in the least tbqh. It's fool hardy to make people believe this is an epic fail strategy.

How many times do RVS votes actually stick through to the end of Day 1? By about page 10, most people have already forgotten what happened in the first two pages of the game.

A.) I didn't even vote for RCB
B.) I wouldn't want to try and force pressure on a scum buddy on grounds of a possible scum slip. It's so much easier just to avoid that bullshit.

I mean we'll quickly go beyond the grounds of WIFOM here but this just wouldn't ever really be a good move by me if we both were scum.

[Aj The Epic]

@soren, you've attributed no individual thought to the game outside of a joke RVS. Mind giving ANY comment on the game?

[Aj The Epic]

no

Well if you DON'T mind, please feel free to give some insight.

[Aj The Epic]

Hi Im Yakko, most likely everyone in the game is purple, blue or banned and that people in any faction were selected after roles and teams had been chosen.

The only thing I'd be interested in flavor wise is champion or position claims (not what your role does with said champ) to see if there's a common Top/JNG/Mid/ADC/Supp per team as a use of verifying fake claims. For reference, I would be purple team's support and there's about 5% I'd ever be anywhere else. (Actually I've basically claimed my champion anyways so...)

[Aj The Epic]

Why? Let me remind you you-pick games are not balanced like a premade. Giving the roles prior and then randomly selecting scum independently would be normal.

[Aj The Epic]

Hi Im Yakko, most likely everyone in the game is purple, blue or banned and that people in any faction were selected after roles and teams had been chosen.

The only thing I'd be interested in flavor wise is champion or position claims (not what your role does with said champ) to see if there's a common Top/JNG/Mid/ADC/Supp per team as a use of verifying fake claims. For reference, I would be purple team's support and there's about 5% I'd ever be anywhere else. (Actually I've basically claimed my champion anyways so...)

Pointless speculation

VOTE: aj

Even if it IS pointless, there's nothing scum about it because it gives no advantage. It's not a good reason for a vote. Seems like you're just taking the easy way out to get a vote down.

[Aj The Epic]

If you've caught the character hints so far, it makes perfect sense.

[Aj The Epic]

Look, I'd be really concerned about fighting this wagon except for the part where I literally cannot die to lynching.

[Aj The Epic]

Aj, does day end though? Y/n?

Almost certain it will. Which is why I bothered to say something.

[Aj The Epic]

Not a tree stump, will not die. I am impervious lynches. I never intended to let the lynch go through and I think there are enough people voting on for me to mention it, especially with ABR's stupid little vote.

[Aj The Epic]

VOTE: AJ

Do want this explained, little sheeper.

[Aj The Epic]

Actually 66% win rate as town is essentially site average.

[Aj The Epic]

Your logic is shit. You are the freest lynch in the game and for any scum, they could sit here because you have pushed yourself into a negative utility role as a poster.

[Aj The Epic]

My guess would be Soren for scum right now. His vote on me, inability to give us anything and scurrying away after are a definite issue. Rask's cold feet don't bother me as much because I can see why a new player would be nervous about ABR's play. If Toogelloo was assuming yakko to be a governor or something similar, I can understand the line of reasoning. Otherwise, that slot is scum as well.

And ABR's stubborness is better left to a vig. We're in a game with mutliple characters who probably have insane kill potential in game, I would imagine there's plenty of blood to go around at night. However, wagoning him for a policy lynch just won't give us the information we need for wagon composition analysis.

[Aj The Epic]

Gee i wonder. Bad crumb. Interested in where you're going with this.

This alone probably makes Hiplop town, but overall this entrance is a huge difference from his scum game. He's probably town here.

[Aj The Epic]

Not sure I agree with everything here - but what bothers me more is the motivation - like can't tell if it is friendly or not. Also, the toogello assumption is like second order and super far fetched?

Are you concerned about... tone? "Motivation" suggests multiple different things in the context of mafia from apathy to alignment. toog also suggested he had taken Yakko's interactions to be gov oriented.

[Aj The Epic]

I didn't realize Soren was replacing out (which, if you note, I called Hiplop town) but his vote was bad.

And a hidden agenda on killing ABR? No. I think having him die via lynch is a worthless waste of day 1. However, it is undeniable that if he carries the attitude he had while being wagoned, he could not remain in the game as a positive utility player. That's the kind of people you vig. Simply speaking, I expect scum to kill those useful to the town (I do all the time) and leave those who are either wrong or easy to mislynch. Therefore, if ABR remains/ed a negative to the town, he would have to be removed for our wincon.

[Aj The Epic]

Sadness ensues when you realize the entire town follows the mindset of "could just be bad, ergo avoid vigging".

[Aj The Epic]

I don't think you know my scum game. The game you're thinking of isn't it lol that game just sucked from the start

I won't pretend like that is an overarching idea of what your scum play will look like but I've taken a bunch of traits from it and will look to see if any of those fit this game. I mean, I did catch out Sakura on meta even having zero meta of her scum play.

Regardless, the fact that you're willing to call a bad crumb is far more likely from town's side because 'scum just don't touch role fishing' since they know it's bad.

[Aj The Epic]

RCB what about Hiplop makes you think scum at all? I don't see it.

[Aj The Epic]

I think people haven't played with Hippie enough AJ, also, how do you feel about my "plan" to have you lynched today?

I think D1 it's a terrible idea since the flips would be way more important. You have to understand that if you're going to verify this, there is absolutely nothing you can get from my wagon because you're encouraging something that won't cause a death. The issue is, it causes a second night phase.

Down the line, it's not a terrible idea once town gets to the point of taking shortened days and having information to work off of. But today would just lead to a very apathetic tomorrow.

[Aj The Epic]

D1 though it is a bad idea.

[Aj The Epic]

RCB what about Hiplop makes you think scum at all? I don't see it.

@Pre-edit: Who is "he"

[Aj The Epic]

I'm tentatively thinking hinduragi is a good place to vote.

RC did you just scum slip by not reading your PM well?

I don't give a flying fuck who's on what team. All people need to know is if they're town or not. Let's make this very fucking clear: you're either town or you aren't. Teams are just some bullshit thrown in for flavor.

Vote: Aj

Fuck it, I can't ignore this.

Unvote; Vote: RC

AJ+RC scumbuddies, maybe but I like RC a lot more. This isn't town RC, people.

This, on top of a great deal of early scum reads and very, very few townreads (Toog/ABR???) give me signals of scum.

[Aj The Epic]

Actually, former me agrees since I've been voting for him for 500 posts...

[Aj The Epic]

What's FA this game? This is the first game I haven't had a clear belief in her alignment one way or the other.

[Aj The Epic]

When I said "If you picked up the hints" for double voter, I was referring to dwlee. He's already given his league character.

There's no reason for RC to say anything about it.

[Aj The Epic]

I'm going back to my Toog/ABR theory.

How much RP is needed to convince you of a Rask/Hindu scum team?

[Aj The Epic]

It's Hinduragi. That L-1 post was disgusting theatre in my opinion and either way he flipped I was going to want to have him lynched immediately for it.

VOTE: hinduragi

Will check later if ABR hinted a Role block or target.

[Aj The Epic]

Dwlee is definitely town.

Vote: AJ

Very sure that was a town wagon yesterday. ABR was who I was unsure of. It's interesting the players who couldn't see it still don't and are trying to push me as scum but it is what it is. You're clearly piggybacking off the notion though. ABR didn't hint shit because he thought the suspicion would keep him alive. You've been pushing me as Rask's buddy before he even flipped scum, something you saw coming. Of course you don't care about analyzing results of yesterday's flip, because you already have all of them.

My role is Ascetizer. I make someone Ascetic for a night. It's pretty shit but I should just throw it out there that's what I am because it can throw results off if I use it wrong and there's not much reason to not claim it.

I mentioned you + rask once, and congratulations I was right on Rask. I've wanted you dead because you're throwing bullshit from PAGE 1 where you thought you had a scum team of RC+Me. I have one post in the day and you think i'm not interested in yesterday's flip? No, I just have bigger scum to fry. If you are what you claim, claim who you performed the action on. I've already claimed and it's kinda interesting that you don't take that into account when you make this post. When you're talking the wagon on me being town, but not including the fact that I'm unlynchable and they wanted to test it, you're ignoring the circumstances around it. That's simply lazy.

As for the other players, Hinduragi and RC are not both scum. I do not believe RC to be scum. Buldge could very easily be aligned with Hinduragi if he flips scum given the noncommittal answers the two show for each other. FA I think is town. I still think hiplop is town, but it's not terribly important, someone else can work to read him for certain. Toog's logic this game has made sense, I don't think there's any reason to worry about their alignment yet. And the rest (klazam, DrDo, Yakko) are not read outside that Klazam and Hindu are not both scum.

[Aj The Epic]

RC will not die today. Night actions will resolve this.

[Aj The Epic]

Are we really using character flavor for alignment when Zed (a murdering assassin) flips town and Jarvan (the righteous king) flips scum? Abilities show correctly to the characters thus far, not alignment.

[Aj The Epic]

Hinduragi, who did you target?

Also no targeting the ole double vig issue. Night resolution will solve this and I WILL force night to solve it if you want to force my hand.

[Aj The Epic]

But... It could be FA, too

[Aj The Epic]

AJ, I'm not asking you to claim. I just don't get where that came from. Wth was that about?

It makes no sense to waste a lynch on this bullshit UNLESS it's on Toog's end. If Toog is lying here, it's insta-death for LAL but if it's a two-vig claim, they can solve themselves.

[Aj The Epic]

That was a mod error

Mod just responded

Uhm... This isn't enough explanation. "Mod error" in most situations here is "Yeah I fucked up, this game's abandoned". ESPECIALLY if you just got a cop claim on someone you SHOULDN'T have it on. So I think this is completely unacceptable until expounded on.

[Aj The Epic]

Hindu, who did you USE it on? I'm guessing it's an every night action.

Also, I don't feel like moving this day forward before FA gives an acceptable response or Dramonic clears this up. The mod saying "I made a mistake" DOES NOT fully answer the conflict between the two roles. I hope we all realize that there is some falsehood sitting here that cannot be allowed to continue.

[Aj The Epic]

I'm asking my own question, because this to me is unprecedented if what FA says is to be true.

[Aj The Epic]

So someone is still not telling the truth.

I questioned dramonic about the situation. Would the game end if information was given to town if town previously did not happen. Yes, if information was given that destroyed the balance. Would someone's alignment being revealed that was previously unknown fulfill said condition? Yes, but it has not happened.

In my mind, none of this even exists. There's no clear on either player.

[Aj The Epic]

FA why would you suggest to vig an unlynchable...?

[Aj The Epic]

FA why would you suggest to vig an unlynchable...?

to test you yes

No? You "lynch" an unlynchable to test, not vig one...

[Aj The Epic]

FA, I am unlynchable. I am that until I govern a lynch.

[Aj The Epic]

ok this is kinda confusing

basically-

Hindu = negative utility town
RC = normal vig
AJ = Unlynchable (or just a governor)
Toog = JOAT with vig included, probably town due to modslipup
FA = Cop

Did i miss any other claims?

Personally i REALLY doubt RC's town, but thats getting cleared up tonight apparently.
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Okay, hmm

AJ is now making me uncomfortable- a straight up unlynchable claim i'd kinda buy, but, well one thing is really off to me. you mentioned being able to govern lynches, which happens to be something i've seen mafia having the alibity to do so. with this in mind, pushing the lynch of self to "test" does not prove anything. thoughts?

brb, gotta do job

Klazam is using way too much setup spec to cast shade on me. That and the fact that he just wants me dead period suggests an ulterior motive sitting around. Also, I'm not advocating a lynch on myself, I think that we have enough to go with klazam/hindu or someone else in general that it is wasting a day still. I think FA was the one who started advocating to vig me to test which just kills me so.....

Hindu's ability, if town, is needed. I don't get what we're going after Yakko if we're not including Hinudu in this who declared it was L-1.

For now,

VOTE: klazam For having this huge ass issue with me but not using any posts to verify this. Also straight up calling for a vig on a currently indefinite unlynchable, which scum almost certainly wouldn't get. If that were the case, I just never WOULD govern.

[Aj The Epic]

You can't give a reason you think I'M scum, which is the issue here. Sure you can hear of a mafia gov, but it's generally a town role anyways. You're stretching too hard.

[Aj The Epic]

So you're admitting an inability to scumhunt for why you want me lynched. Your POE is full of shit.

[Aj The Epic]

That sounds good.

At that point we should have enough conftowns tomorrow to just win.

VOTE: AJ

I want what your passive ability is first. Because I have a suspicion you want to try and neutralize my ability and just pull off a lynch.

[Aj The Epic]

If you feel like you won't lose anything, it's fine. I think buldge might be a better lynch today into a klazam vig but even waiting it isn't going to matter.

[Aj The Epic]

Probably be a good idea to end this day within the next few IRL days since we've got nothing that's apparently being done. Tends to sputter when we feel like the game is solved but no one else is really on board with pulling the trigger. We haven't heard from the buldge since yesterday I think so maybe we just wait for him to poke in. Otherwise, get the lynch and get some night actions completed.

[Aj The Epic]

I'm not going to...

[Aj The Epic]

I mean seriously, why would I govern a lynch I'm on?

[Aj The Epic]

If your read on him, you would govern it.

That was a genuine town reaction to getting lynched.

As soon as a claimed (or even suggested) governor is in the game, you treat the entire day and post lynch as no reveal simply because the appeal for governor intervention. But to govern sacrifices my unlynchability so I'm not exactly getting rid of it unless I explicitly disagree with a lynch.

[Aj The Epic]

Not at all

Remember, a governor role is kinda largely negative utility.

[Aj The Epic]

Aren't you going to sign it as

~scum

Yeah let's just pretend an unlynchable scum is going to happen.

[Aj The Epic]

Sure, sure. I'm sure that exists in non-bastard setups.

[Aj The Epic]

and I really hate you being unlinchable please take out the mask and govern someone

Yeah, not happening. There's 100% preventing my lynch is beneficial to the town. I'm not governing unless the same chance exists and is endangered more imminently. Call it self-preservation, I really don't care. I'll be forcing mafia to NK me if they don't want me showing up in lylo.

[Aj The Epic]

If you're trying to lynch me in that scenario, you're doing the game wrong.

[Aj The Epic]

That's assuming day ends.

[Aj The Epic]

The wording is a bit awkward specifically for the govern part. Regardless, I don't think it comes to that as tomorrow we should have most of the answers.

[Aj The Epic]

felt the game was pretty townsided

look at what fakeclaims there were even possible?

0 safeclaims whatsover - Even the role i claimed was actually held by town.

Always fake claim something with your role included. See: My fakeclaim this game.

Actually would've stuck to unlynchable if there wasn't a discussion about lynching RCB.

I can't tell if scum's issue was they didn't have any power or it was just played wrong. Raskol felt easy to catch and dolittle was going to die within 2 days by lynch after hindu if I had any say. The selection of NK target wasn't great since RCB should've been finished off as I had stated they would die under no circumstance to lynch. Really, the kill should've been on FA, me (so you could lynch RCB) or RCB.