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In post 29, Aristophanes wrote:
But they aren't even here yet!In post 28, SirCakez wrote:Yeah I'm pretty sure right now.
Cake is pretty compelling tho...
Exactly why you should help wagon them! We'll have a surprise for them.-
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In post 40, Night Hunters wrote:
It effects my read of him.
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How does being an alt or not affect your read on someone? It shouldn't in my opinion.-
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In post 53, Night Hunters wrote:@BBT,
I literally do not care. I have no recollection of your scum meta. You are a player that doesn't care about meta asking the head who doesn't care about meta about a meta read. Like really? It's not a dodge to not care BBT.
@Cakey,
I'm a liberal but strict Mom. What do you want to be called? I'll call you Le Artist if you want.
~MamaBear
You can call me whatever. I just thought it was funny how that also showed up here.-
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In post 65, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 63, SirCakez wrote:Why is this massive wagon a thing?
Why are you questioning it?
Because it looks like it's for a terrible reason (me and massive are never same alignment!). I want to see what massive says though.-
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In post 67, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What would you like wagons to be built on on page 3?
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In post 70, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I mean, I find it weird that you wanted to wagon NH for no reason at all and then question a second wagon that actually has some reasoning (valid or otherwise) behind it.
Saying that, I find it strange that NH want to wagon massive after saying RVS wagons are outdated.
We've exited RVS so I think wagons should have something legitimate to back them up now.-
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Wagons post-RVS should have something better to back them up then "we're never the same alignment". Its my opinion. Initial Night Hunters wagon was different because that was in RVS. 47 was a response to your "RVS wagons are outdated" thing which I find completely false. 74 and 80 were responses to questions.
If you want reads the town reads I was referring to were BBT and Night Hunters for active engaging of the game and early questioningg that was pretty town.-
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In post 90, Night Hunters wrote:Firebringer if you could not have town reads on scum, that would be nice.
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In post 97, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 69, SirCakez wrote:In post 67, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What would you like wagons to be built on on page 3?
Fair enough.
In post 72, SirCakez wrote:In post 70, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I mean, I find it weird that you wanted to wagon NH for no reason at all and then question a second wagon that actually has some reasoning (valid or otherwise) behind it.
We've exited RVS so I think wagons should have something legitimate to back them up now.
In post 74, SirCakez wrote:Scummy entrance, bad response to RVS wagon, someone just being generally scummy in their posts.
Walk me through your change in thought process here.
Why?
I think post-RVS wagons should have something to back them up. Massive wagon had nothing to back it up but there was also nothing else to build a wagon on so that's why I said "Fair enough" in response to that question. It's a theory argument really.
And that post gave me pause because it shot down Firebringer giving a townread without backing it up.-
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In post 106, Night Hunters wrote:Because SC is desperate for a handout.
Where did you get this from? I questioned Fire over why he's townreading me, and all he had was gut which is pretty meh.-
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In post 114, Night Hunters wrote:@SirCakez,
I get you being desperate for a hand out because of your trajectory this game. You appeared to have zero desire on why I was looking into Zefiend as I put forth that question and had nothing to say when I poked there. Instead, you wereveryhyper about getting my RVS train to get traction. You said you were out of RVS and didn't unvote in 52, and were heavily pressuring our slot. In 63, you are objecting to a foundationless wagon on massive. If 85 and 88 are to be believed, that means you objected to a counterwagon to your townread that you forgot to Unvote solely because there was a lack of information to do so. Town generally don't discourage counterwagons to their townreads from forming based on lack of information. It's much more likely that you retroactively picked the two players pushing you the hardest to townread and wanted me to talk more about the other read I had to draw attention away from yourself.
Your Fire push here is half assed. You ask an obligatory question to Fire after it's been highlighted that we don't like his townread. Yet us calling out Fire for having a townread on your slot "gives you pause". You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. It reads as talk about anyone BUT SirCakez.
@GuiltyLion, I am struggling to follow that post. You're claiming that because you don't agree our scumread is forced? That makes no sense. Your train of thought also reeks of bullshit. You asked us why Fire scum and SirCakez might be scum together in 104 and you argued our answer in 106 was creating unjust associative pairings. You asking a question that suggests we assume a preflip association (that might or might not be true) cannot be a logical foundation for claiming preflip associations are scummy.
Both Fire and Cakey are independently scummy here, but they still make sense as partners.
Why are you so resistant to wagononing SirCakez and seeing where it goes?
This post is horrible. Obviously I'm going to dig into other reads. Should I just sit here and let myself be mislynched? No, that would be terrible play so yes I'm digging into your other reads. I hate how you're twisting this into "he wants attention on anyone else!"
VOTE: Night Hunters
Fire hasn't shown back up to explain his town read on me yet so I'm still waiting for him to explain further.-
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In post 114, Night Hunters wrote:It's much more likely that you retroactively picked the two players pushing you the hardest to townread and wanted me to talk more about the other read I had to draw attention away from yourself.
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In post 126, Firebringer wrote:Night Hunters is sure scummy IMO.
Wonder if anyone is going to call them out on it besides me.
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In post 137, shaddowez wrote:Questioning a wagon is one thing, being willing to wagon one person and then questioning the wagon on someone else for the same reason (RVS, in this case), is where my issue is with what you did.
I feel like a broken record here. Massive wagon was post-RVS, thus not same reasons.
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In post 139, Night Hunters wrote:124 is a response to 123.
I think you're going with whine here. I am done until BBT gets back.
~MamaBear (who occasionally is forgetful and signs as Titus)
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In post 116, shaddowez wrote:What defines the end of RVS to you? You said you had town reads but didn't mention scum reads, which means you still have to place your vote somewhere, or do something else to continue getting reads. If RVS ends when you just get a couple of reads and everybody stops doing things, the game is just going to stagnate.
I consider the end of RVS to be when someone has starts making a serious push, I;e in this case NH attacking Zefiend for rolefishing.
I already stated that I was waiting to see where NH went with that specific push when the massive wagon formed so I questioned it.-
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In post 171, ɀefiend wrote:In post 145, SirCakez wrote:In post 116, shaddowez wrote:What defines the end of RVS to you? You said you had town reads but didn't mention scum reads, which means you still have to place your vote somewhere, or do something else to continue getting reads. If RVS ends when you just get a couple of reads and everybody stops doing things, the game is just going to stagnate.
I consider the end of RVS to be when someone has starts making a serious push, I;e in this case NH attacking Zefiend for rolefishing.
I already stated that I was waiting to see where NH went with that specific push when the massive wagon formed so I questioned it.
I'm trying very hard to understand the dynamics of this post. I see two things that could possibly be worrisome but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to try to explain.
1. If you consider the end of RVS to be when someone starts making a serious push, could you explain this statement?
(my italics for emphasis.)In post 52, SirCakez wrote:(Why do people always end up calling me Cakey on every forum I go to?)
I've gotten a couple townreads already so yeah we're out of RVS successfully.
Do you mean:
A, therefore B.
A cannot happen if B is happening. A happened, therefore B is no longer happening.
or something else?
2. NH's push on me appears to be tabled or scrapped at this moment. Besides asking one question to one Head of NH, you haven't mentioned their Zefiend-push since then. Yet, you used the reasoning that you were interested in seeing where it was going to slow down the massive wagon? Furthermore, what is wrong with a simultaneous Zefiend-push by NH and massive-wagon by others? FYPOV, why should wagoning on one player (massive) be contingent on the resolution of a different push (NH on me)?
1. What is A and what is B?
2. The Zefiend push was unrelated to the massive wagon. I said I wanted to see what NH was doing with the push and how you would react before evaluating it, since it looked like there was evidence to back it up. Massive wagon had nothing to support it so I questioned it. The massive wagon and zefiend push had no correlation here.-
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I don't see how either 145 or 80 show that I thought massive wagon and Zefiend push were associated. 80 was a response to BBT saying "Should we just wait around for scum to make scummy posts?", and then 145 was a response to saying doing nothing after RVS ends makes the game stagnates to which I responded what I was doing after RVS.
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In post 179, tojam2 wrote:The cakey wagon has kind of died out, a lot of you want either a Fire policy lynch or a Gl scum lynch, and seen as he voted for me basically for agreeing with someone else:
VOTE: GL
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In post 196, Night Hunters wrote:@BBT, I don't know what posting you find to be decent by SC here in the last few pages. All he's done is basically say gee Fire, you need reasons. He's trying to deflect attention off himself. You're concerned I haven't addressed his "good" posts but there's nothing to address. He's defending himself from Zthing's assertions trying to wordsmith his way out of being caught scum.
This whole too many people pushing him (from Guilty Lion) is a load of crap. The amount of people pushing someone is usually related to the strength of the case. If there's no case, no one would be pushing SC or it would just be all "hurr durr" i dunno you feel scummy crap that seems to permeate here lately. I've caught scum before and had the wagon take off like a rocket never leaving until the person was a corpse.
Now, onto the actual issues you're expressing now. First, SC was hyper about the wagon but this seems a little semantic or a differnce of what is called hyper. SC was very vocal about getting people to hurry up and wagon our slot before we could post. If I thought it was aggressive, I'd say aggressive. Maybe impulsive you'd like better, but he was definitely pushing that hard.
Bullshit on town being more likely to make consistency mistakes. Town should be clear and transparent with their reads. If not, they are doing it wrong.
SC "pushing" fire is because he's desperate to have a place to go that isn't him.
I kind get the Dwlee not making content but he has in a few places. I tend to overshadow others a lot, particularly when both heads of the hydra are in agreement.
Can you respond to my concerns about GL BBT?
~MamaBear
You'll say any scumhunting I attempt is trying to "deflect attention". It's bull and you know it.
The Fire push is completely unrelated to "wanting to go somewhere else". He was townreading me for no reason and I questioned it.-
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In post 229, Night Hunters wrote:SirCakez faked his reads and has basically been looking to have the game push anyone else and had a terrible white knight of a massive RVS wagon.
I've got a few people who I'd consider voting right now. It's about 4 players deep, SirCakez leading the way.
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I've already disproved all of this and you're ignoring it conveniently.-
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In post 236, Jeanne11 wrote:Welp, I don't know what to say and sound rational.
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In post 248, Night Hunters wrote:SirCakez has been desperate for a handout for anything else he can scumread and not look like the scum he is.
Third time I'm saying this: this is bull for reasons I've already said and you know it is and are choosing to ignore it.-
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In post 265, SirCakez wrote:How are their (Night Hunters) arguments reasonable? Go reread their most recent posts and come back.
Requoting since it was ignored
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In post 282, shaddowez wrote:SC - Do you have anything new to contribute? Basically every post of your since 180 has been repeating yourself (which you say in your posts) or asking for other people's opinions on NH. Do you have any other reads?
Yeah NH keeps throwing shit at me and it's irritating.
I think tojam is scum, BBT/GL/Shadowez are town, Aristo is a scum lean for his weird reads, Jeanne is null and should be doing more, Fire is probably town. That's everything I can think of the top of my head.-
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In post 300, Aristophanes wrote:They are stating things clearly, rather than obscuring things. Their arguments make sense. They are pushing it strongly because they both agree. Neither head is faltering in their push which backs this up. 196 especially is an extremely town post, and their push on you is legitimate.
196 is a terrible post. They haven't backed up anything they mentioned in that post and I've called them out on it three times. You sound like you're making up things to town read them for.-
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