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In post 122, Bicephalous Bob wrote:That's Flubber and he townslipped (may be pretend, but unlikely) unless he's really uninvolved.
wait not flubber but Xsadfgdsz or something
the townslip comment is still true-
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In post 129, yessiree wrote:In post 52, Untrod Tripod wrote:In post 43, yessiree bob wrote:didn't like the day 1 vote by UT tbh
it was trying to kill the momentum of the chilledtea wagon, as well as taunting pip to pressure him not to hammer
ehhh not really? itlpip's fake vote looked increidbly awkward and scummy, so I voted him
turns out I was right, so I'm not going to apologize for it. the CT wagon was an RVS powerwagon that had the good fortune of being on scum.
my vote looks SUPERFICIALLY like an attempt to start a counterwagon but the content of my post should have let you know that I thought it was exclusively RVS nonsense and I was voting for an actual read I'd gotten.
likewise, I think your vote had the good fortune of landing on a werewolf when no one expected multiball
In post 74, Fate wrote:UT isn't werewolf thats a bullshit read
THIS IS A WEREWOLF SLIP
BECAUSE NO ONE WAS PUSHING UT WEREWOLF LMFAO
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In post 131, Untrod Tripod wrote:In post 129, yessiree wrote:likewise, I think your vote had the good fortune of landing on a werewolf when no one expected multiball
expand on this, because I'm not really seeing what you're trying to say
im saying the fact that you voted scum (werewolf) doesn't change the fact that you could be mafia with chilledtea-
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sircakez:
In post 66, Dystopian Vision wrote:In post 59, Untrod Tripod wrote:In post 56, Dystopian Vision wrote:In post 29, Untrod Tripod wrote:In post 27, Dystopian Vision wrote:Your wagon?
two votes isn't a wagon, but I'm not surprised given that itl flipped as scum and my vote superficially looks like me trying to start a counterwagon (ended up being on scum though, so HA)
You were starting a wagon in response to a wagon. How is that "superficially" a counterwagon?
This post also looks like distancing
the key difference is that I wasn't voting to stop an RVS wagon but rather to express an actual scumread on one player who I was actually scumreading.
distancing from...what exactly?
Distancing from itlepip
In post 116, Dystopian Vision wrote:In post 99, Fate wrote:READ PLS
I don't understand how you can vote for UT and still push this
But yes I got the itlepip and chilledtea slots backwards
If the DV hydra is scum and X isn't trying too hard, Flub mistook his teammate for the person who either was hammered by or hammered his teammate.
also disregard yessiree's post for now, we haven't had the chance to sync up and drill shitty stances out of one another's heads-
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In post 52, Untrod Tripod wrote:In post 43, yessiree bob wrote:didn't like the day 1 vote by UT tbh
it was trying to kill the momentum of the chilledtea wagon, as well as taunting pip to pressure him not to hammer
ehhh not really? itlpip's fake vote looked increidbly awkward and scummy, so I voted him
turns out I was right, so I'm not going to apologize for it. the CT wagon was an RVS powerwagon that had the good fortune of being on scum.
my vote looks SUPERFICIALLY like an attempt to start a counterwagon but the content of my post should have let you know that I thought it was exclusively RVS nonsense and I was voting for an actual read I'd gotten.
this is just a "I'm assuming scum intent X because of the way post Y was phrased" vs "you shouldn't assume scum intent X because there's also a possible town motivation" argument that has no chance of going anywhere-
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In post 138, Bicephalous Bob wrote:Your quote pyramid is going nowhere because you're telling yessiree to change a low-level gut read because of an interpretation he's already considered and disagrees with. You're stating the superficially obvious town interpretation of your post and you're using that as an argument to challenge his gut read. It's not going to work.
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In post 142, Untrod Tripod wrote:In post 138, Bicephalous Bob wrote:Your quote pyramid is going nowhere because you're telling yessiree to change a low-level gut read because of an interpretation he's already considered and disagrees with. You're stating the superficially obvious town interpretation of your post and use that as an argument to challenge his gut read. It's not going to work.
Ah.
Well I guess my issue is that he seems to be considering my vote as a reaction to the chill wagon when it was not since I thought it was just an RVS flash wagon and I was moving based on an actual read I had that was based on a vote.
This is like Mafia 101, I'm not sure what's difficult about this for him.
you're still doing it
In post 144, SirCakez wrote:I could see scum messing this up too, wouldn't call this a townslip tbh
yeah it isn't solid, but good enough for now-
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In post 187, Bicephalous Bob wrote:In post 169, Untrod Tripod wrote:Copped Fate last night, got "no results". I feel there's a pretty good chance he's a mafia godfather.
that's not how it works
there's no way you believe that's how it works
In post 177, Untrod Tripod wrote:In post 174, RadiantCowbells wrote:How accurate would you say your results are?
since this isn't a bastard game I would assume I'm guaranteed to be sane....
that's not how it works
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there is no way someone of your caliber can make low level mistakes like confusing the interpretation of "not mafia" and "no result"
it also doesn't make sense for there to be an ascetic mafia and not godfather when there is a cop that specifically cops for mafia
here's out tinfoil theory, there was only 1 night kill last night, most likely because the werewolf was roleblocked
UT knew he was roleblocked, so he lied about being a cop and getting "no result" to dismantle his wagon
so can we go back and vote scum thanks
VOTE: UT-
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In post 202, RadiantCowbells wrote:Or maybe maf and werewolves don't kill the same night?
Think how fucking imba 10p multiball would be normally.
this is a game where most likely vts dont make up the majority
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In post 201, Untrod Tripod wrote:that really doesn't hold up to scrutiny
if I'm "of that caliber" then you would think that my fakeclaim would not have a mistake in it, no?
everyone makes mistakes dude. sorry to be the one to have to tell you that.
it's a tinfoil theory dude, and this isn't just a "haha my b" mistake dude, how can you not understand what your role does dude-
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In post 209, Untrod Tripod wrote:kinda confused why you're mocking my usage of the word "dude" but I'll just let that go instead of arguing about it
i wasn't mocking it, you're reading too much-
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In post 216, Dystopian Vision wrote:No you don't get to call one confusion a town slip and another confusion a scum slip
you're grouping the two as if they are the same thing; they are not
there's a drastic difference between mistaking a player with another, and misinterpreting the implications of a negative result and a no result.-
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In post 230, Dystopian Vision wrote:In post 221, yessiree bob wrote:In post 216, Dystopian Vision wrote:No you don't get to call one confusion a town slip and another confusion a scum slip
you're grouping the two as if they are the same thing; they are not
there's a drastic difference between mistaking a player with another, and misinterpreting the implications of a negative result and a no result.
You're going to have to spell it out because I'm not seeing it
I was about to give you an ELI5 but then I remembered why are you asking us to spell it out in the first place?-
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In post 230, Dystopian Vision wrote:In post 221, yessiree bob wrote:In post 216, Dystopian Vision wrote:No you don't get to call one confusion a town slip and another confusion a scum slip
you're grouping the two as if they are the same thing; they are not
there's a drastic difference between mistaking a player with another, and misinterpreting the implications of a negative result and a no result.
You're going to have to spell it out because I'm not seeing it
you're more likely to mix up two enemies than an enemy and a teammate
to me, UT's mistake feels kinda like it's the result of tailoring the claim to explain his behaviour (although I'm not sure that's yessiree's reasoning as well)-
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In post 267, SirCakez wrote:s c u m c o u n t e r w a g o n
It was impossible to build a KTS wagon but this comes together in an hour and a half? No way.
ok so you think kts is scum and he got help from his teammates who are alive and well to counter
what alignment distribution are you thinking of? 5v3v2?-
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In post 285, ɀefiend wrote:@yessiree, can you explain your thought development from voting KTS to voting SirCakez? I'm interested because they're scumreading each other currently.
we've been scumreading cakes for quite some time
we didn't pursue or mention it because we wanted to finish our UT push first
I think the discussion on cakes started with yessiree saying that if UT really was blocked, the RB was probably on his wagon since they'd believe they blocked the kill, and that sircakez was most likely to be this RB
I mostly agreed, but added that it is quite likely that the roleblocker is a town jk/rb since town hardly has a majority (we'd discussed numbers just before that)
we also agreed that cakes was shifty in general
as for the kts vote, I'm pretty sure yessiree just felt like voting someone, he doesn't care that much for following MS's voting etiquette-
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In post 355, yessiree bob wrote:I think the discussion on cakes started with yessiree saying that if UT really was blocked, the RB was probably on his wagon since they'd believe they blocked the kill
btw I later realised that this is only true if the kill that was stopped wasn't the roleblocker's, but I don't think I mentioned that-
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In post 357, SirCakez wrote:So your scumread on me is based on you thinking the possible rber was on the chilledtea wagon and that I'm shifty in general? You have to unpack that more.
You'll have to take gut for an answer for now. I mentioned the rb thing mostly because it was part of the process zef was asking about.
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In post 357, SirCakez wrote:So your scumread on me is based on you thinking the possible rber was on the chilledtea wagon and that I'm shifty in general? You have to unpack that more.
just dropping by to say that we pretty much agreed on scumreading you the instant it was brought up, it was like telepathy
the general sentiment is that, during the first 10 pages, your shiftiness pinged us, you were trying to look busy without actually doing anything, just remaining on the edge of the conversations without taking hard stances
too lazy to quote and shit but if you read cakez' ISO you will know what we're talking about
also v/la until 25th
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No one hammers until we got this sorted out.
In post 425, Titus wrote:I tracked SC. He's obvious town anyway you dumb fucks.
Stop voting me for fucking disagreeing with you.
He's obvious not mafia for his early vote. His reply makes him obv town.
You mean his d1 vote? Why the hell would you track someone who you think is not mafia?-
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In post 426, RadiantCowbells wrote:Have trouble believing there's a tracker, a seer, and a cop.
In 6v2v2?-
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We decide on the hammer.
In post 436, RadiantCowbells wrote:How's this for a setup
Mafia kills odd nights
Werewolves kill even
2 mafia goon
1 werewolf goon
1 werewolf odd-night tracker
3 VT
Jailkeeper
Seer
Cop
Your setup is certainly possible, but there are other options.
In post 431, RadiantCowbells wrote:I mean, yeah.
Werewolves having tracker makes sense since they probably kill N2, hence me outing.
Are you claiming seer? If so, why didn't you out your result?
In post 438, Titus wrote:That's utter shit.
I tracked SC and SC is town.
I didn't track RC. Nor did I claim to.
Meanwhile RC has fabricated 3 fucking roles and gets unvoted but I actually question reads and I am the bad guy.
Intelligence is dead. I hate mafia.
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hope you get your thumb relocated
In post 446, Titus wrote:Oh I missed it Bee.
Tracker is about clearing people N1. We had zero way of knowing who was going to be a killer so I went for clearing my townreads.
Tracker is about tracking people to the kill
This doesn't make any sense
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In post 460, Bicephalous Bob wrote:flub, how did you feel about tracking a town read?-
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In post 484, SirCakez wrote:Why would we nolynch? There's probably only one scum left.
even numbers
scum can't no-kill
remaining PR(s) shouldn't have to out today because their innos are wagoned
if we mislynch today, we'll have to nl tomorrow
if we nl tomorrow, scum can pick a better kill than today
if we were to lynch correctly today, we'll probably also lynch correctly tomorrow with additional information
we won't lose any information if we hypo (targeting PRs claim their targets, others makes up something believable)
hypo'ing past targets has little downsides if I'm right about the last mafioso being a goon and people don't fuck up
hypo'ing n3 targets is probably also a good idea-
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I haven't touched base with bob yet, but support a massclaim
In post 497, Fate wrote:I mean yesiree bob is just scum、you're right
you dont sound very certain with this read
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In post 495, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm not going to die for nothing.
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In post 518, RadiantCowbells wrote:alien jailkeeper
why do you think the alien and the jailkeeper are the same person?
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actually don't answer that, just beware that UT never said anything about a bright light
strategy:
-PRs who have a non-descriptive role name that isn't anticipated claim their full role and targets
-PRs who a self-explanatory role name (i.e. a fancy version of jailkeeper) claim their past targets and their n3 target
-other folks make up some believable past/n3 targets
-no lynch
This allows jailkeepers and similar roles to hide in the crowd while still producing two clears if they're killed tonight.-
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In post 527, ɀefiend wrote:In post 515, yessiree bob wrote:when did UT claim they were bright-lighted?
also, can't it be read as angel flavour?
Read UT's death post again. The mod confirmed that UT saw a bright light a la RC's story.
You supported a mass claim and yet when Fate suggested you claim first, you immediately jumped on him. I find that suspect.
uhh fate suggesting us claim first and the scumread on fate has nothing to do with each other
find my reason in thread and correct yourself in the next post thanks-
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