Mini 1792: Baccano! Mafia [Game Over]

[camntsuki]

DREAM UPON THE STARS
DESTINY SHALL NEVER CROSS
HEAVEN HEAR OUR CALL
THESE TEARS ARE NOT FOR NAUGHT

VOTE: FATE

[camntsuki]

Okay, people really need to be careful about not slipping with regards to silizard. I already have a good idea of who isn't maize.

Love it.

VOTE: Florestan

[camntsuki]

And Whitelight- stop talking about it. Just drop it. Like you asked if I were pregnant and I said, "no, why?"
I will tell you later if you don't figure it out on your own.
WAY later.

[camntsuki]

No Fate.
Day 1 is not the day for a Katz flip.
I will let you guys dance, but trust me, I bite.

Nahdia- you are believing Flor?
I still read a slip, and then some backtracking.
I get especially squirmy indigestion with him saying he is "mod-confirmed not-slizzard". I see no reason slizzard wouldn't have some Lynch protection, since being 3rd party sucks.

[camntsuki]

Where the hell is my Katsuki wagon?

You fucking rookies

Look here's my case on Katsuki:

THEY ARE SCUM AND I GUARANTEE IT WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY CREDIBILITY AND BEING

If you had agreed to bus Aristo things would've gone much smoother


Disagree with my care all you want

But there's DEFINITELY no evidence for reading camntsuki as TOWN

ANd you're also on the mislynch Floren train?


You really can't pull this obvscum shit in a game with me

the site needs to be reformed

Staeg and I will repave the way to glory with fire and bodies

they are hoping to coast until N1 kill me

Oh shit how did you know? Are we that easy to see through?

[camntsuki]

Everyone who votes camntsuki right now is a townread for me

It doesn't get easier than that

Free pass for bussing

FREE

PASS

UNVOTE, VOTE: camntsuki

What now?

[camntsuki]

Staeg also wasn't sheeping he posted the real reasons I was voting camntsuki

that shows he is in the same town mindset as me becacuse he voiced what I said without me having to say it

But a scumfuck like you wouldn't understand the brotherly love between townies would you?

If you really think Aristo is scum like you've been saying this whole page why have you been so desperately lobbying him to vote us?

[camntsuki]

When camntsuki flips town

I will be confirmed town

You are thinking in linear terms

I see the game in nonlinear terms

camntsuki lynch has already happen, I have already become a god, scum have scrambled trying to kill me,

This is all happened even if we can only experience this slice of time now

This is why you'll never achieve enlightenment.

[camntsuki]

Also, Fate is such a tease!
Got me on the dance floor and disappeared mid-waltz!
So sad.

Sums up Fate pretty well we must say.

[camntsuki]

Camntsuki could've done a helluva of other things with their posts AND they STILL ARE HIDING FROM ME

do they have to vote on everything on the only thing going on at the time?

No, that's a scum agenda to push the easiest mislynch available at the time

Not really. We never have to push mislynches as scum because we always have you pushing them for us!

[camntsuki]

They could be hiding. Or they could just be busy/asleep.

If they had reason to scumread Flores, which they did, it is not a scum, but a town agenda.

You're looking at this from a very confbiased viewpoint.

Fate's just broken inside because we were not fated to be lovers~

His misery will end soon, we're sure he'll end up getting shot N1 after which we'll coast to victory~

[camntsuki]

There's no way anyone can have a townread on Katsuki

I'll give you fucks Null

BUT TOWN?

No way Aristo

Good thing camn is a bastion of towniness then!

[camntsuki]

I wonder why people seem to be making the assumption that if flores is loved, he can't be scum.

...

He can be scum. He can't be the assassin. Ideally our first lynch is the assassin, because if not than what HA so kindly pointed out happens.

Why do you think Assassin hunting is so important as oppose to just playing normally?

[camntsuki]

Well that was fun!

Unvote, Vote: Florestan

[camntsuki]

um duh.
at first he was like "I didn't scumslip...I totes know who the king is guys!"
then he was all "OK you guys were right I didn't know who it was....but it was mod error"
and the mod was like "yep, my bad. he isn't slizzard after all".

and, as previously noted... the push on Flores was for a legit, bonafude scumslip...maybe just an assasin-slip....and warranted votes from everyone.
in context... it warranted votes from LITERALLY everyone, even the real slizzard and scum! the only reason not to jump on it is if you actually ARE scum and know that Flores is your partner.
you cant even know he is town... cuz from a scum perspective he is slizzard.

huh.

someone refute this logic? nahdia?
I'm day drinking in Mexico rn, so my head is only so clear...but I think I'm right.

[camntsuki]

hey everyone.... no one addressed my logic earlier.

ftr...Katz is generally low activity during the work week...and camn is in Mexico on vacation.
if you want camn to address Fates lolwagon...it will have to be next week. Katz might get to it earlier, except it's a jokewagon.

i wish someone sober would just look at what I said before tho.

[camntsuki]

Fate dropped his Camn push like a wet blanket to push on WhiteLight - does that give you a positive or negative vibe on Fate's alignment?

LOL well we've been waiting to sort whether Fate was mafia or Szilard, but ya thanks for claiming 3P Fate!

EHEHEHAHAHAUAHUAHUEHAUHAUA

UNVOTE, VOTE: FATE

[camntsuki]

Nahdia Thor is a great vote and all for his annoying long posts but come join us aboard the Fatetrain!

[camntsuki]

Staeg there's uh

a few things that would interfere with my ability to read Katsuki.

THis game unfortunately includes one of them

We can lynch White Light or Thor.

Unvote:
Vote: White Light

Thor will probably have less traction and he's a slippery son of a bitch, so here we are

LOOK AT THIS BACKTRACK LMAO

FATE SCUM WOULDNT BACKTRACK LIKE THIS
AND FATE TOWN WOULD NEVER HAVE PUSHED US IN THE FIRST PLACE

G FUCKING G

[camntsuki]

Fate dropped his Camn push like a wet blanket to push on WhiteLight - does that give you a positive or negative vibe on Fate's alignment?

LOL well we've been waiting to sort whether Fate was mafia or Szilard, but ya thanks for claiming 3P Fate!

EHEHEHAHAHAUAHUAHUEHAUHAUA

Let's say you're right - why are you trying to lynch him?

KARMAS A BITCH THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR TRYING TO PUSH A MISLYNCH ON US AND HES NOT TOWN ANYWAYS SO WHATS THE HOLDUP

Thor is probably mafia and can be powerlynched tomorrow. Fate first!

[camntsuki]

I haven;t read a good chunk of this game outside of the Fate bits and the better half is busy getting drunk in the sun so YA FATE LYNCH AHOY

[camntsuki]

NAHDIA THOR IS A GREAT VOTE BUT COME DON'T YOU WANT TO LYNCH FATE???

HE IS INCREDIBLY FUN TO POKE WE PROMISE!
DOUBLY SO AS SZILARD

[camntsuki]

NAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHDIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[camntsuki]

Fate dropped his Camn push like a wet blanket to push on WhiteLight - does that give you a positive or negative vibe on Fate's alignment?

LOL well we've been waiting to sort whether Fate was mafia or Szilard, but ya thanks for claiming 3P Fate!

EHEHEHAHAHAUAHUAHUEHAUHAUA

UNVOTE, VOTE: FATE

see this is what I had expected from Katuski town

thats why I kept pushing when I didn't get it

LOLNOPE TOO LATE TO BACKTRACK NOW

KATS ONLY EVER VOTES FOR YOU WHEN YOU ARE SCUM
YET YOU EXPECTED THIS FROM KATSTOWN??? LMAO

THANKS FOR CLAIMING SCUM SEE YOU POSTGAME

[camntsuki]

6 YEARS AND YOU STILL CAN NOT ESCAPE THE CLUTCHES OF KATSTOWN DESTROYING FATESCUM

THERE IS NO NUWEN TO SHIELD YOU ANYMORE

[camntsuki]

IDGAF YOURE DYING

TODAY

[camntsuki]

Katsuki

I hard scumread because of your first post

DO you know why?

Can you see why given what you were trying to do in your first post?

NOT REALLY, CONSIDERING WE WERNT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING?

BACKPEDDLE COMMENCING OOPSSSSSSSSSSS

[camntsuki]

OOPS CATS OUTTA THE BAG NOW

WE ARE ISSAC
TOWN BAD DRIVER

ONCE DURING THE GAME, WE MAY CHOOSE TO CRASH OUR CAR INTO A PLAYER
WE WILL BE NOTIFIED IF IT IS SZILARD

LYNCH AHOY

[camntsuki]

WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO LYNCH 3P TODAY

WHEN

SCUM


HAVE

A

KILL.

AND WANT TO MURDER

ALL

THE

TOWNIES

BECAUSE YOU TRIED TO MISLYNCH US LMAO

REVENGE IS A BITCH
PLUS WE GET A BULLETPROOF IC THAT MAFIA CANT KILL

YOU HAD YOUR CHANGE TO MOVE WHEN KATS WAS STILL TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU WERE MAFIA OR 3P

GET REKT

[camntsuki]

Theres nothing better than a D1 Thor lynch

think of the beautiful irony of lynching him over me

NOPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

THERE IS NOTHING MORE BEAUTIFUL IN THIS WORLD

THAN A FATE D1 LYNCH

THIS IS MY LOVE FOR YOU

<3

[camntsuki]

I SHALL PRESERVE YOUR BEAUTY MY DEAR SWEET KNIGHT

LET US PUT YOU TO SLEEP SO THAT YOUR BEAUTY SHALL REMAIN FOR ALL ETERNITY

[camntsuki]

Oh you're now reduced to calling the wagon on you a petty revenge wagon?

Like we have no plans on letting a confirmed 3P live. It is a net positive for us, we get a confirmed bulletproof townie out of it.

Now that you've outted our role we outed our result HOPE YOURE HAPPY WITH THAT

[camntsuki]

It's so cute watching you flail.

I've really missed you over these past few years.

[camntsuki]

I am nota threat to town

PURGE THIS WITH FIRE

ANYONE NOT VOTING THIS IN THEIR NEXT POST MIGHT AS WELL CLAIM SCUM

[camntsuki]

Fate... my pal... you're the monster D:

I... I can't...

WELCOME TO THE HEARTBREAKER THAT IS FATE

HE WHO ONLY KNOWS HOW TO SHATTER THE HEARTS OF FAIR MAIDENS
HAS CLAIMED YET ANOTHER TROPHY

[camntsuki]

Also that Isaac role is hilarious.

Agreed!

[camntsuki]

p.s. Nahdia where is your Fate vote, we don't see it.

[camntsuki]

I am nota threat to town

PURGE THIS WITH FIRE

ANYONE NOT VOTING THIS IN THEIR NEXT POST MIGHT AS WELL CLAIM SCUM

Untrue.

We said we would keep Sziliard alive under certain circumstances.

Fate, you are Sziliard, yes?
Are you willing to scumhunt with is or need we lynch you?

NEVER TRUST FATE HOLY SHIT

WE

DO

NOT

NEED

CONFIRMED 3P ALIVE

WHEN WE CAN GET A FREE BULLETPROOF IC FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE GAME

[camntsuki]

I live to scumhunt Aristo.

Katsuki even agrees with me on Thor

Can you talk some sense into Issac

YA BUT WHO CARES ABOUT SCUMTHOR WHEN WE CAN HAVE OUR SCUMFATE LYNCH????????????????

[camntsuki]

Anyway in all seriousness, shouldn't we like, not lynch the 3p that doesn't have any nightkills?
Also I completely buy camm's claim as town tho so that's radical.

VOTE: Aristo

Decent vote.

WE SHOULD 100% LYNCHED THE CONFIRMED SZILARD SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A BULLETPROOF IC FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE GAME

LIKE WHY IS THIS SO HARD???

MAFIA LITERALLY CAN

NOT

DISPOSE OF MAIZA AFTER FATE IS LYNCHED

[camntsuki]

Nahdia is probably scum which really breaks our heart.

Oh well there are others...

[camntsuki]

We can't lynch Fate. He'll take a stab at Maiza if we try to. Why not put it off and lynch for mafia now? :T

SO LET HIM WHILE ITS STILL EARLY ENOUGH INTO THE GAME THAT HE PROBABLY WONT HIT MAIZA LMAO

WE GET TO LYNCH 3P

AND HE HAS A LOW CHANCE OF HITTING MAIZA

[camntsuki]

But camm, consider the following:

I like Fate. He's cool. Let's not lynch him d1 =(

You'll have plenty of time to get to know Fate we promise.

Fate is dying D1.

We have an ultimatum but hopefully it won't have to come to that.

[camntsuki]

WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO LYNCH 3P TODAY

This is just a petty revenge wagon

I am nota threat to town

WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO LYNCH 3P TODAY

This is just a petty revenge wagon

I am nota threat to town

WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO LYNCH 3P TODAY

This is just a petty revenge wagon

I am nota threat to town

WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO LYNCH 3P TODAY

This is just a petty revenge wagon

I am nota threat to town

WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO LYNCH 3P TODAY

This is just a petty revenge wagon

I am nota threat to town

WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO LYNCH 3P TODAY

This is just a petty revenge wagon

I am nota threat to town

WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO LYNCH 3P TODAY

This is just a petty revenge wagon

I am nota threat to town

[camntsuki]

ok if i vote fate do you promise to townread me forever and ever?

PROMISE!

[camntsuki]

PINK SWEAR

[camntsuki]

Haven't read the past few posts, but Nahdia is, indeed, likely scum.
I've thought this for the majority of the game thus far.

WE GOT A FATE TARGET
AND A TOWN NAHDIA

TIME TO RETHINK YOUR READS ARISTO

[camntsuki]

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

TONIGHT WE DINE ON THE BLOOD OF FATE

TRUST NAHDIA YOULL LOVE IT

[camntsuki]

THERE ARE ONLY 4 VOTES ON FATE THUS FAR WE NEED ANOTHER 3

GOGOGO

[camntsuki]

SHHHHHHHH YOU WERNT SUPPOSE TO POST AN ACTUAL VC SOMEONE WAS SUPPOSE TO PUT FATE AT L1 AND HAMMER INSTEAD LMAO

[camntsuki]

POSING AS A NICE LITTLE 3P TRYING TO HELP TOWN FIND MAFIA WONT SAVE YOU FATE

[camntsuki]

GOOD LUCK FINDING MAIZA BTW FATE~ :3

<3

[camntsuki]

tbh itll be a lot funnier if we lynch Fate before he gets a chance to eat so pls vote accordingly guys

[camntsuki]

To be fair, it's not our fault Fate trolled about his uninformedness.

He has only himself to blame for trying to mislynch us.

[camntsuki]

Why Heuristically Alone over Camn?
Camn is a filthy liar, so there's that.

For the record, I kinda don't care if we lose because of this, because fuck fake guilties from town.

VOTE: camntsuki

It was Fate's fault for trying to out our role!

And Fate implicitly claimed 3p. Your push is bad, and is a good place for us to start as we head out for the day to drink.

VOTE: cerberus

[camntsuki]

We were pretty convinced that Fate would flip 3rd Party.
joke-claims are Katz/Fate site meta FYI.
if you wanna push a Lynch on us because Fate flailed, go ahead and try. If you wanna talk about it forever though .. gods maybe let the Vig handle us instead.

PS, was that a Vig shot? or did the "best friends" die together lover-style?

[camntsuki]

I'm back, bitches!

Listen- you know what's anti-town? camntsuki getting nightkilled night 1. So we avoid it.
That said- everyone talking about a policy lynch or whatever...

THIS GAME HAS A VIG.

I love policy lynches. Like for lurking. Or if you don't have an avatar. But

NOT IN A GAME WITH A VIG

.

So somebody needs to get their head out of the sand and get back to lynching people you think are actually scum.

VOTE: Cerberus v666

Also, come on, dude. Get an avatar.

[camntsuki]

I worry about him. He isn't super scummy, PER SE... but I don't like the early strategy-suggestion with his ascetic claim, although it might just be playstyle differences.
That plus my natural OMGUS about us makes me want to run him up, see what shakes out.
If he is so unhappy to be in a game with us, lets take him out of it.

PLUS.. although it might be my own conf-bias.. I don't like that he just "missed the context" in re: Fate.
Like, he made a BIG DEAL about us running Fate up.. and then looking back he just "missed the context"?
In my world, if you are going to cuss and moan and curse someone.. you read first. If you are town, that is.
If you don't care about lynching scum, and actually want more mislynches.. then maybe you make emotional pleas and propose policy-lynches. THAT is what drives >MY< vote, although my other head already hated him. His recent push on us doesn't come from the mind of a townie, IMO.

Now, could I swing to AlpacaAlpaca for the "Aw, Shucks" tell?
Absolutely. But not yet.

[camntsuki]

Haven't been on because TIGERS and logging on takes effort.

I support everything the other half is doing 100% and agree that policy lynching is stupid when it seems there is a vig in the game.

[camntsuki]

I'll add that I would prefer to see Cerb hang and Alpaca shot.

Really busy this month so my presence will be minimal.

[camntsuki]

OK. I agree this game needs more than us and Cerb.
That said- 2 points on him:
a> is the language necessary? My virgin ears.
b> I don't think claiming ascetic up front is a scummy play. I think LINKING "I'm Ascetic" with "obv don't consider lynching me until just before LYLO" is the scummy part. We should lynch him when and where WE choose.. not where HE chooses.

That is down ftr, but I think we can table the discussion for now..

lets reset:

Nosferatu

- I WANT to sheep Staeg on this.. but looking over his ISO I don really feel much scumminess here. I don't like Hated claims, but if it's true its town right? Maybe Slizard? I think town though. So I am not feeling it for now.

Thor665

- I am townreading this slot. He is the townthor I remember from back in the day.

Cerberus v666

Discussion tabled.

Aristophanes

- Reasonably strong townread here.. although maybe its the buddying. Which I appreciate. Willing to sheep.

Florestan

- That slip up front was a compelling thing.. but things have turned up since. Probably town?

Staeg

I WANT this to be a townslot. I like the hunting. But I am POE-ing myself into a corner here with all these townreads. I could totally be getting fooled here.

POE leaves these 3 as the not-town, If I assume Cerebrustown:

AlpacaAlpaca

"aw, Shucks" in 555 is a classic tell. Otherwise mostly lurky. Again, I could totally go this way.

Dwlee99

- His ISO is SUPER THIN, and I could totally see scum here.

heuristically_alone

- Also a thin ISO.. but I get a tiny townvibe from it.

OK. Who is scum/3p? They are in here [AlpacaAlpaca, Dwlee99, Cerberus, heuristically], probably in that order, in my current opinion.

Do we have a townbloc yet? Lets run up Alpaca or Dwlee.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dwlee99

[camntsuki]

I want more Dwlee, is why.
But I would vote for you, don't worry. 555 wasn't you "being stupid". It was you trying to act like a concerned townie, but failing.

[camntsuki]

I expect more of you, that's why.
What's up, anyway? Why are you being so scummy?

Aristo- do we? I wish we did.
Alpaca- its one of Tar's Standard Tells. I'm old school like that.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... dard_Tells

[camntsuki]

Well, he is the one I am a little uncertain about, too.
But I think WAY less scumm than Alpaca or Dwlee, right?

[camntsuki]

I dont even have any completed games with you camn. How can you say you expect more.

Alpaca is a brand new rookie, joined this month.
you have scummy noms and per reports are generally active.
So don't be dense- this is not a meta argument, it's here and here alone. I expect more.

Again- why are you being so scummy?

[camntsuki]

hmm. fake rage, huh?

[camntsuki]

But to what end? Why send a false message as to your emotional state?

[camntsuki]

We're just talking here. I'm trying let Cerberus convince me he belongs in the town bloc.

[camntsuki]

why is this game so slow?

WE DEMAND BLOOD!
Everyone VOTE DWLEE NOW!

He has had days to counter my push on him, and has failed.
He is trying to wait for the wagon to fizzle....
The only answer is certain death.

VOTE DWLEE OR FEEL MY WRATH!

[camntsuki]

Your defense is weak, and you will die for it.

[camntsuki]

He is rolefishing the Vig, thats's why.

[camntsuki]

more votes please!

[camntsuki]

Thats a better idea....if you are really town, you just nk-spec both...if you believe in nk-spec, that is.

all this asking who might be the kill is just role fishing. nobody knows but the scums and the Vig. no one else's opinion on it is even worth anything!
thus, asking is not productive, except for scum.

[camntsuki]

Thor- it's because he barely skimmed, and then when we started making noise about his lynch he had to start "scumhunting" somehow, with this weird map thing and vig-spec?
Its all fake. That's why he didn't look into your answers... cuz he doesn't care. He knows who his team killed... he just wants to seem like he is doing something.

[camntsuki]

Why didn't you look into Thor's original answers then?
I posit it is because you don't care about the answer to your 'who got vigged' speculation.
That instead you wanna look busy, and expose the vig as a side bonus.

What is YOUR explanation for blowing it off? That you 'skim as town, lol?'

[camntsuki]

I'm your huckleberry, DevilDog.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: heuristically_alone

[camntsuki]

Christ don't you kids read these days?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ce ... &FORM=IGRE

[camntsuki]

I hope you got the other part.
Not knowing your ancient Greek is one thing.. not knowing your Val Kilmer is certainly another.

[camntsuki]

So look... lets have a truce for a bit, and wagon the shit out of HA and/or alpaca and see which one is scum, yes?

[camntsuki]

omg what is happening with the youth today?

[camntsuki]

To me it sounds like scum not wanting to fake claim but preparing if needed.

When I am scum I have a fakeclaim prepared from the very first post.
Maybe Dwlee is not as prepared.
I doubt it.

You are scum, though.

Lets kill HA with fire, everyone.. and regroup tomorrow.
Although certainly we will be killed tonight, so that will be awesome.
Alpaca is still a good vig shot.

[camntsuki]

Why are people not dead yet?

[camntsuki]

Well, excellent!

Lets reset again.

HARD TOWN IN THE TOWNBLOC

, from our POV, that is 90-100% certain town:
camntsuki
Thor665
Aristophanes

PROB-town

, that is 60-90%
Florestan
Staeg

Moving

UPWARD

on townieness
Dwlee99
Cerberus v666

Slipping

DOWNWARD

Nosferatu

SCUMMIER BY THE DAY

AlpacaAlpaca

Well.. I think if we powerlynch and vigdirect from the bottom up, this is a town win, no?

VOTE: ALPACA-ALPACA

Lets do this.

[camntsuki]

^^SCUMMIER BY THE DAY

[camntsuki]

People... anyone not killing this with fire is simply not town.

[camntsuki]

No I'm serious it isn't in the town wincon to not help the assassin I'm just saying we could have made 2 groups happy

Something totally helpful to town-wins?
BulletProof IC.
Also, keeping townies alive! Also helpful.

Sacrificing BP townies to the lizard-god? NOT HELPFUL.

[camntsuki]

LMAO

@Camn - sell me on Aristo and Florestan being townbloc material. I don't feel either of those.

Aristo has distinct differences between his town and scumplay, and this game is typical of his townplay.

[camntsuki]

Florestan I think is giving me townfeels on positions. It seems like he agrees with us a lot, and that is the kind of player we think is town.
But I could totally swing on THAT slot. because it could be a cognitive fallacy, I know.

Aristo we are way firmer on.
It not JUST deep meta- there is something shiningly town about his interactions day 1. Other than you, he is the most-left on my spreadsheet. I want to see him alive in LYLO for reals.

[camntsuki]

No, Staeg.

No.

[camntsuki]

Switch, Staeg.

Switch.

[camntsuki]

Ok...obv I need to readress my admittedly soft town read on that slot.
I will look at the above points soon.

[camntsuki]

Alright- I re-iso'd Flore, and you guys are right, his ISO is vapid af.
I still have a dumb nagging townread on him.. but I don't even know why anymore.
I asked my other half to take a fresh look as well.. but for now, lets try some Q&A:

@Flore

: when can you answer some questions, cuz I have some.

[camntsuki]

ok, actually I did some sleuthing.. and I really have ONE thing I need clarified here, florestan:
Post 113. I will quote the portion of interest:

WTF are you guys on. Do y'all want me to out Maize to prove I know who it is? My point is that people have already softed that they aren't him and should stop.

QUESTION:
What were you trying to convey here?

Be clear, please. Your life hinges on your answer.

[camntsuki]

Was it your intention, with the above post, to imply that you had

always

known who maize was?
I want to see your thought process here.

[camntsuki]

Frankly I am unimpressed by both you and Camn "noticing" new top scum reads.

I'm not quite there yet, thor. You and Staeg are both scumreading Flore, and I am townreading both of YOU... so I am trying to look at that slot from your perspective.

I expected that if the mod was going to make the mistake public they should have done that immediately posted that a mod error had occurred. Because that didn't happen I was attempting to clear up the discussion with having to resort to OGI stuff, which is what I was forced to do later.

So tell us now exactly how it played out.. had the mod given you then new info when you wrote that, then? He told you- oh, my bad.. Maize is actually X... and then you hit the thread and wrote 113? IF so, did you believe at that point that NOT knowing Maize actually WAS a scum- or assassin- tell? Did you end up asking the mod to post in thread?

[camntsuki]

Ok, ok.. I know it seems intense, but one thing at a time:

Flore..when you wrote 113, had the mod given you maize's identity yet?

[camntsuki]

why not mention the mod error right then? why try and play it off?

@thor- how precise do you think our mod is about times?

[camntsuki]

well.. I gotta think it over.
here was my initial data dive on this issue.
I think outside of this issue, Flore has very little meat...which is kind of scummy in its own.
in re: this issue, I can totally see a scum player in a caught for the wrong reasons problem, but I really dont have a strong feeling on it. hopefully my other half does.

Notably, the times don't really add up. if DailyDays is anal, then Flore is a liar, and should die on LAL grounds.
even if the times are just off.... then Flores would have been happy to squirm out with a lie, which maybe deserves rope
thoughts?

Spoiler: my research

Okay, people really need to be careful about not slipping with regards to silizard. I already have a good idea of who isn't maize.

Clearly implying that he doesn't know who Maize is- later admitted to be true.

WTF are you guys on. Do y'all want me to out Maize to prove I know who it is?

Clearly backtracking, fronting about how he DOES know, and implying that he always knew--Q: Is this accurate? was he trying to convey that he always knew?
Looking below, I see this is BEFORE he received the mod info. So where did he get the data? his partner?

The case that I don't know who the bp ic is just not accurate.

THIS would be after 8:30 EST. I triplechecked.

The mod made a mistake and didn't include the name of Maize in my PM but I should've known who it is and I know now.

Clearly admitting that he indeed DIDNT know up front. LAL?

The Daily Days confirms a reporting error: We failed to include Maiza's identity in Florestan's role PM, though it was intended to be included. A correction was issued on May 8th at approximately 8:30 EST.

Hm. This has times.
I add times to the quotes above. I confirmed the time zones.

Conclusion? Flore's is a liar.
but why?
Lets pin him down on 113

[camntsuki]

We're working hard at trying to determine his alignment ok?

[camntsuki]

And I agree...it isn't much.
which is why he hasn't really earned a scum read from us.

why don't YOU try out actually trying hard to get your scum reads lynched and stop waiting for us to do it for you?

[camntsuki]

Well, its not.
Dubious, that is. In fact, scum players are often MORE careful about reading than town players.
Aristo is not the mislynch you are looking for.

And thor- I went to bed annoyed with you, and it isn't any better today.
The ball is yours: lead us to a scumlynch if us trying to make something out of this game is so toe-curling for you.

[camntsuki]

maybe you are right. I'm just in a mood.
I think I'm just frustrated cuz I can't get a strong scumread on anybody here.
I want blood, but I have no focus.

[camntsuki]

Lets just do it then.
I certainly don't want him in LYLO.
Or Alpaca.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Florestan

[camntsuki]

I don't want him in LYLO, either.
I'm at the point in the game where I envision a 5p lylo with me, thor, and 3 other players ... god forbid they are Florestan/Alpaca/nosferato.
I don't want any of them there.

[camntsuki]

@Camn - I'd actually be happier with Alpaca and Nos at this stage than you.

Ha ha! That's cuz you are a puppet in our web!

@Nos- start now please.

@Aristo- who is scummier, Alpaca or Nosferatu?

[camntsuki]

Yeah we need 6, right?

Plu we need Nosf and Cerbrus to take a pre-flip stance here, too.

[camntsuki]

@Camn - I'd actually be happier with Alpaca and Nos at this stage than you.

Why's that Mr. Smurf?

[camntsuki]

camn is worrying to me just because they are a strong player and hard to read.
That's L-1, I believe, btw.

What is your read on us exactly?

[camntsuki]

maybe you are right. I'm just in a mood.
I think I'm just frustrated cuz I can't get a strong scumread on anybody here.
I want blood, but I have no focus.

You know damn well that the solution to this is to murder everyone in sight = =b

[camntsuki]

I have a gut scumread on Alpaca from my brief iso on him, can Thor or dwlee99 explain why he's town?

[camntsuki]

Oh there's a hated in this game? Vig should totally be shooting the hated.

[camntsuki]

Replace out please.

[camntsuki]

Oh there's a hated in this game? Vig should totally be shooting the hated.

Vig should probably still shoot Alpaca on further thought. Nos can still be helpful possibly.

What about Cerberus? Never suffer a lurker to live, that's my motto.

[camntsuki]

It's sad that so many people need to die this game!

[camntsuki]

Ari would be a pretty bad lynch we think. Perhaps if the vig really wanted to GO FOR GOLD, but they'd probably end up missing the podium.

[camntsuki]

It's sad that so many people need to die this game!

So much this!

(statements like these are why Ari is town)

[camntsuki]

I hate this.. but I am totally agreeing with Dwlee right now.
I have come almost totally unmoored from my reads in this game. I don't get it.

Staeg Powerlynch?

[camntsuki]

>tfw someone is mad they agree with me

Because when did YOU get good enough to sheep?
Should we try and swing a Staeg wagon?

[camntsuki]

So, yeah, you better get on that if you want to do it.

Are you into it?
I know he was your #2 scumread.. with you we have 3 right here... I bet I could convince Aristo. That's 4.
For the 5th, surely Flore would hammer for self preservation, no? If not, Nosferatu would. He already said he wants it.

notably:
Alpaca literally only mentioned Staeg one. I just ctl-F'd. so ?read?
Cerberus v666 also just replies to his posts 2x. Hmm.

This might be something.
I REALLY push for a lot of IGNORING my partner when I am scum .
A LOT.

If Staeg is scum, I bet his partner is in those two.

[camntsuki]

I woulda been on board with the flores vote until someone said that it can't really be a scumslip, at which point more or less everything flores had done became indicative of stupid, not alignment

Anyway flores prooobably isn't scum

And he apparently doesn't remember why we came off the horrendous flore wagon d1.

Didn't remember much of Flore except for the early scumslip shenanigans, iso-check reveals 634 into 681 which feels extremely off.

Your will is my command or something

unvote
vote: Flore

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Staeg

[camntsuki]

PLus... I know it's been said before.. but 2p scumteam in a 13p with a not-really-a 3rd party?

Scum has powers.
Like Ascetic-level power.

If Staeg is scum, I think his partner is Cerebus. No bussing with a 2p team.. thus the ignoring. Staeg ignores Cerb, too. There are 32 instances of "Cerb" in Staeg's ISO.. almost all of them in quotes from other players.
So Staeg addresses Cerb kind of indirectly.. but otherwise ignores.

I'm starting to really feel this, the more I look.

Unlike when I looked at Flore really hard and felt nothing.

SCUMTEAM = STAEG/CEREBRUS

[camntsuki]

Once we lynch someone, should the Vig go for the alt wagon or for Alpaca?

I'd rather they shoot the latter, but getting both of these to flip I'd a good option for VCA.

Scumteam = Staeg/Cerberus!

[camntsuki]

Scumteam = Staeg/Cerberus!

I cant fight the feeling.
It's burning like glowing coals In my soul.

I doubt we would have a hated scum.
They would be way underpowered here if that were true.

[camntsuki]

WTF, Dwlee?
Rolecops are scummy af at baseline.

Besides, he actually means "Rachael, Scum JOAT, one of which is a rolecop, the others too scummy to express, please lynch me"

So- explain your thinking here.

[camntsuki]

no really- what about THAT claim makes him suddenly conf?

[camntsuki]

Jesus wept.
I disagree with Dwlee's "letting him live" proposal. Obv.
If we must, I propose a Cerberus Lynch, since they are partners.

[camntsuki]

Meaning you now town read Flores again?

Not really. I'm just as equivocal es ever there.
But the staeg\cerebrus idea has taken a strong hold on me.

[camntsuki]

Meaning you now town read Flores again?

Ideally we'd like to see everyone dead outside of Thor/camn/aristo

Personally I'm fine with any lynch that goes through today. Nos is probably town because I doubt in the existence of a scum hated in this setup, so that leaves however many players are left outside of that pool to purge.

I'm surprised that we're still on D2 honestly, I thought it was D3 already until I came back and saw that no progress has been had :/

[camntsuki]

PURGE ORDER

:
(I'm willing to flip the top two, but only under protest)

Staeg
Cerberus v666
Florestan
Nosferatu
AlpacaAlpaca
Dwlee99
Aristophanes
camntsuki
Thor665

[camntsuki]

You are pretty scummy all on your own

[camntsuki]

That was to Cerberus!

[camntsuki]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cerebrus666

[camntsuki]

Ha ninja'd....
Lynch WHO, Thor?

[camntsuki]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Florestan

I don't know why I am sheeping Dwlee anyway.
Plus, the only reason Staeg is alive is Dwlee.