Mini 1795: Science [GAME OVER]

[Mr Meeseeks]

come on guys lets science

VOTE: shos

you know what you did

[Mr Meeseeks]

just use capital i (I) for l because it looks more similar so i wont get so confused while trying to read your posts

thanksssss

[Mr Meeseeks]

also ms meeseeks are you shitting me

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: SirCakez

I already know his character. He's gravity.

How do I know that?

He suuuuuucccckkkks! <3

thats a vacuum surely :/

VOTE: SirCakez

I already know his character. He's gravity.

How do I know that?

He suuuuuucccckkkks! <3

UNVOTE:
Apparently I'm too stupid to be in Science Mafia. I was thinking of a black hole.

i mean technically a black hole

is

caused by gravity so if that is what you were going for you werent that far off!

VOTE: mr meeseeks
no caps drives me insane

Do you care to share those assorted reads Salesman?

its my shtick deal with it cakey

[Mr Meeseeks]

(BTW, I tried to make a joke about the wedding night so I googled laws of physics. I came up with this:
Pascal's Principle
Pressure applied to an enclosed incompressible static fluid is transmitted undiminished to all parts of the fluid.

This seems like it could be used for a sexual pun. Go for it, because I'm not good enough to make a joke about it.)

trust me if pascals principle is applicable to your sex life then you are doing something wrong

[Mr Meeseeks]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole

A black hole is a region of spacetime exhibiting such strong gravitational effects that nothing—including particles and electromagnetic radiation such as light—can escape from inside it.

[Mr Meeseeks]

black holes are literally caused by gravity

extremely large star runs out of hydrogen and helium for fusion at the end of its life cycle and it becomes a red supergiant, shrinks a little and then explodes (goes supernova) releasing energy dust and gas, the remaining core becomes a neutron star usually but very large stars will have a core with such mass it becomes a black hole because its mass is so great its gravitational pull is inescapable

[Mr Meeseeks]

man having to type scientific explanations while attempting to keep up this facade of not using capitals or much punctuation is haaaarrrd

[Mr Meeseeks]

ugh busy life rn sorry ill catch up tomorrow and contribute etc

quite odd to see noone have commented on it but hey

[Mr Meeseeks]

oh good vague warnings my favourite type

[Mr Meeseeks]

oh im sorry is sarcasm illegal now?

[Mr Meeseeks]

i mean i havent done much else so idk what you could be voting me for!

[Mr Meeseeks]

wait i think i figured it

[Mr Meeseeks]

bcause i cant be arsed to catch up now, but im not going to entirely fail to contribute entierly and completely when i still can do something

[Mr Meeseeks]

i mean i havent done much

[Mr Meeseeks]

its less time, its more energy and effort required

in the way im feeling right now im just gonna skim through, take nothing in, and generally not accomplish anything but waste time

if i wait a while then i can do one of my notorious wallposts and actually get the informationn from the whole thing into my brain

understand what i mean?

[Mr Meeseeks]

i mean i havent done much

I am, indeed, voting you for something you haven't done. Do you know what that something is?

remove my vote from shos? say hello to ploti? turn into a ferret?

[Mr Meeseeks]

is this a meta read

this better not be a meta read

please dont let this be a meta read

[Mr Meeseeks]

its a fucking meta read christ on a fucking bicycle

I thought that if I were wrong, you might out yourself to me assuming that once I knew your identity, I would correctly townread you,

uhh... no? my aim is to keep this alt as secret as possible. sure i fucked that the hell up in my first game, but im not just gonna wander around outing myself willy nilly, id like to keep this as a separate account

also i am

incredibly

tempted to vote you because holy shit youre metaing an alt, i dont care if i did it "on this account" but the last time someone tried this they were scum so dont mind me if i get immediately suspicious

VOTE: travelling salesman

ive nothing else to go on, so this is plenty good thanks you very much

[Mr Meeseeks]

"if you knew who my main was, you would be townreading me"

but that would be a lie because i figured it was a 90% chance it was a meta read because of the "something you havent done" term which you use in regards to my meta so i was just getting you to confirm that so i could facepalm

and my "other alt" (presuming youre referring to the one i think you are)... does that even count? because i wasnt even trying to hide who i was there or play differently - this alt is a concious attempt to play in a different style, y'know?

im not saying you should entirely disregard the meta - whatever it is - just take it with a pinch of salt

i mean its sorta secret but not really secret so i dont care that much tbh so idk

anyway im gonna catch up once ive finished my food now yay woohoo broccoli

[Mr Meeseeks]

she'd choose frogs as her role...

shit i didnt know you were married to deathrowkitty

Ok, so you guys know, I am a double voter. I hinted at it earlier and that's the reason I unvoted after my first vote.

oh yay claims already :/ i mean i understand but ehh, double voter is something i prefer people to keep secret, but you can go as a townlean for now i guess

I don't like the fact that Sheldon and shos voted magna right after I did simply to prove my double vote. After the next vote count my vote is going on one of you two

eh? i dont see whats alignment indicative about them doing that...

uh-oh

seems like we got scum!
VOTE: Java

wut

“Hey look – I’ll try to both peddle that MoI is somehow both doubting the claim and putting too much faith in it at the same time.”

oh look misrepresenting someone who happens to be voting you what a coincidence

VOTE: Cabd

woahwoahwoah so you feel that sheldon made a contradiction in voting you and stuff etc but you instead voted cabd for... some reason? calling someone scummy and then not voting someone while voting someone with little reason is a pretty nice tell, thanks for that!

VOTE: magnaofillusion

Javajoe is most likely likely town as well for their approach to the claim, as well as to an extent their role being likely town.

Everyone else is null at this point except for MoI who I am scumreading because their approach to the Java claim didn't feel at all like actual scumhunting

Scum. Scum desperately trying to justify a scum read on me for the exact same conclusion I drew.

I voted MoI following 56

because I was super sketched about about his willingness to consider a proven doublevote confirmed town

as well as his inclination to not believe an extremely easily disprovable claim.

Here is the initial reasoning on why I am scum. The bolded is the important part.

1. 56 never says anything about Java being “Confirmed Town”. It simply says I could sort him as Town for his role. So a misrep.
2. He comes to that same analysis on Java as quoted above. He's now couching his read on "it doesn't feel like real scum-hunting" which is means ... he can't actually justify his stance and has to throw empty words.

That and he ignores the whole back and forth I had with Travelling that explains exactly my thought process.

VOTE: Sheldon

Or Shotty.

yeah i like this for scum - he had already given plenty of reason to vote sheldon cooper, but he "had" to come up with this extra logical leap to fully justify voting, and something about this feels unnatural

Haven't completed reading yet but we have got our scum.

VOTE : SirCakez

has everyone this game forgotten how reasons work

So my first topic discussion I want us all to discuss what were your choices that Antihero didn't pick?

I am still in support of my RVS vote, and we need a wagon.
So I suggest everyone condense onto my vote.
Please and thank you from your friendly neighborhood assassin.

I didn't like these two posts. First one is a bizarre question that accomplishes nothing and the second is pushing an unexplained RVS wagon because ???

first one, shit dude, you complain about a useless post in post number seven??? while not even commenting on all of the arguably more useless science discussion that extended to the third page? sheesh. second one, uhh, "we need a wagon", he wants a wagon to form so he can analyse it, so theres a clear reason so you cant say "because ???", second scum with magna that would be cool

mr. image format

who

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: Mr Meeseeks

do tell me why you made a big catchup and focused on several players who werent me and then voted me anyway?

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: Mr Meeseeks

do tell me why you made a big catchup and focused on several players who werent me and then voted me anyway?

for this reaction, of course, which justifies the vote

"a big catchup", lol, that's 2 posts.

for... the reaction? you voted for something i hadnt done yet? i didnt realise you could warp the fabric of spacetime, golly gosh

[Mr Meeseeks]

*naked vote* "why did you do that" "so youd react to it lol obvscum"

[Mr Meeseeks]

How is metaing on an alt voteworthy?

a) at the time i hadnt caught up so there wasnt much else to go on, and my previous vote at the time was still rvs
b) scum did it in the last game i was in so it struck a nerve

[Mr Meeseeks]

oh sure why dont i fucking let everyone know who this is an alt of

whats the fucking point, holy shit like why do i even need to prove this like seriously

You wanted to avoid being read for meta and you did things that would make you virtually confscum on your main

and you expect me to townread and/or ignore it? please.

is the best quote i could find without giving away entirely who i am

now back the fuck off and stop doubting me, why the piss would i lie about something so disprovable?

[Mr Meeseeks]

*naked vote* "why did you do that" "so youd react to it lol obvscum"

I can see the future, yeah.

go on then

rather than the vague "for that reaction lol" bullshit, how about you explain why the reaction was scummy

because the point im making is that the case so far is weak as fuck

[Mr Meeseeks]

See, the point is that you make such a fuss from a single, naked vote. I said absolutely nothing, at all, and look how you react. "the case so far" is weak? what case? you getting uberdefensive is alarming. And hence, the vote stays.

oh no a fuss from a single naked vote??????? obviously only scum do that, after all town just

love

being voted for and lynched without an explanation

DEFENSIVENESS IS

NOT

A SCUMTELL like where did this ridiculous idea even come from it makes no damn sense

also, by "case" i mean your reason for voting me, its weak as shit and your pathetic explanation didnt make it any better.

Also

VOTE: Mr Meeseeks

do tell me why you made a big catchup and focused on several players who werent me and then voted me anyway?

uberdefensive my arse, i call bullshit on you keeping voting me for this

VOTE: shos

scumteam if you made me choose right now id go shos, moi and cakes, in order of confidence

[Mr Meeseeks]

i dont see how "reacting so much to a naked vote" (which is an exaggeration in and of itself if you ask me) is a big deal - you say it like i should react less to a naked vote, but all i had done at the time was ask for more details about your reasoning and make a couple of snarky comments - hardly unreasonable behaviour

of course im going to react to a naked vote - you vote me with no reason just after a post where youd given reason to vote someone else (something which i already called moi out on) is a dodgy thing to do so you painting me being suspicious of it as bad is utterly stupid. at least if you give a reason i can argue that it was stupid, like ypur current reasons which are misled, exaggerated, and almost circular.

[Mr Meeseeks]

I mean, from the perspective of hypothetical town you, I'm the one faking a guilty on you right now. But you're right that your chance of lynching any of them is greater than your chance of lynching me.

at least your case has

some

substance though - it is a meta case which, while i am unaware of the exact content, i know exists and i know it existed prior to this game so at least you havent made it up on the spot, and while im kinda peeved that youre still pushing it when im an alt intended to play differently at least it came from somewhere and that is probably the main reason for me not doing the thing what makes me town, although i am worried by the fact that your most recent post is the first one in a while that didnt entirely focus on me

shos has his godawful case which makes no sense, magnaofillusion did some weird shit in regards to sheldon, and cakes is just worrying me. what reason do i have to be suspicious of you beside a mysterious meta case? its a better reason than a naked vote followed by "well your reaction was... overreacting to a naked vote despite not really doing that much"

idgaf that youre voting me, im not gonna push you when you havent done anything that scummy

[Mr Meeseeks]

seriously though im not scum, please stop wasting your time on me and it would be better for everyone involved

[Mr Meeseeks]

im saying this because, judging by your attitude, youre getting dangerously close to confirmation bias because of the single meta read and id rather you didnt go down that rabbit hole

[Mr Meeseeks]

i guess but by playing like this i imagine i am making various unconscious changes to my play (while im not consciously changing a particular aspect, the playstyle is definitely different i think) - all im saying is that your meta read has a 12% chance of being inaccurate at the best of times, nevermind when im intentionally playing differently as an alt (plus with exams on im gonna be playing different)

as for cakez

So my first topic discussion I want us all to discuss what were your choices that Antihero didn't pick?

I am still in support of my RVS vote, and we need a wagon.
So I suggest everyone condense onto my vote.
Please and thank you from your friendly neighborhood assassin.

I didn't like these two posts. First one is a bizarre question that accomplishes nothing and the second is pushing an unexplained RVS wagon because ???

first one, shit dude, you complain about a useless post in post number seven??? while not even commenting on all of the arguably more useless science discussion that extended to the third page? sheesh. second one, uhh, "we need a wagon", he wants a wagon to form so he can analyse it, so theres a clear reason so you cant say "because ???", second scum with magna that would be cool

this one speaks for itself

oh sure why dont i fucking let everyone know who this is an alt of

whats the fucking point, holy shit like why do i even need to prove this like seriously

You wanted to avoid being read for meta and you did things that would make you virtually confscum on your main

and you expect me to townread and/or ignore it? please.

is the best quote i could find without giving away entirely who i am

now back the fuck off and stop doubting me, why the piss would i lie about something so disprovable?

here he was asking a weird and utterly pointless question which seems bizarre and wasteful, like hes trying to look useful when not really doing, you know, that much

not much but theres a reason hes the weaker of my three scumreads

[Mr Meeseeks]

1) Cakes didn't complain that Fire Assassin's 7 was useless. He complained that it was a bizarre question which accomplishes nothing. RQS is worse than RVS because scum can datamine it more effectively than town can, but the question didn't bother me terribly much because we sent in science things that we liked rather than trying for any specific role, but I think that even if someone sent in, I dunno *wanders off to wikipedia*, projectile motion, ballistics, vaporific effect, that antihero wouldn't necessarily make them a vig. So, I ignored it rather than pushed on him for it. It was a bizarre question that accomplished nothing, but it could've led to outguessing the mod or at least outguessing what kind of roles everybody was trying for, whether they got it or not.

oh wow, technicalities. he was clearly complaining about someone "accomplishing nothing". those are the exact words. so why he was complaining about that and not the other tons of fluff at the start is beyond me!

2) The science discussion that you took part in. There's nothing wrong with some banter and enjoying the flavour at the start of a game.

irrelevant. it was fluff, and for that to be ignored over complaining aboyt a question is silly

3) Why does Fire Assassin cling to his 1-vote RVS wagon on GIF instead of joining the 2-vote wagon on shos? If his reasoning is that we need a wagon, why is a 1-vote vanity wagon better than a larger wagon? If he wants an RVS wagon, why doesn't he join a larger one since nobody cares about his RVS vote on GIF? Why are you defending Fire Assassin from Cakes here?

becaues... he disagrees with the shos wagon? not that hard to figure out, when he "wants a wagon" obviously he wasnt it on someone he doesnt think is town... im not defending fire, im criticising cakez for clearly not thinking about what he says before painting someone as bad for doing it

4) Cakes' question about whether you could provide citations for having been pushed by scum for meta was wasteful? What, was he going to run out of questions?

waste of my time, to have to go into a game and try and find a relevant post which didnt contain my mains nick because, shock horror, a discussion involving metaing my main contained my mains username a lot surprisingly enough

5) The question he asked you was one you could answer without outing yourself because it was from the other game you played on this account. If you say something in a game of mafia, people are going to ask you to provide citations. This isn't scummy.

but it was pointless, it was hardly like i was going to lie about it ffs

[Mr Meeseeks]

I believe that he is genuinely upset that he was altguessed and genuinely disappointed that a scumgame he was looking forward to has turned out like this already. Scum have feelings too, and I care about his.

ahahahaha me looking forwards to a scumgame? do you honestly think this think this, because i do *NOT* look forwards to playing as scum

I am pretty sure he's seen naked votes before in his mafia career. He's not a newb. So yeah, it was a strange reaction.

piss off, i often call out naked votes. ive seen them before, and 90% of the time they are backed up by shitty reasons when called out (see

literally this fucking time

!!!!!) because they usually dont give a reason because theyre scared theyll get called out when they do, so its not even close to a strange reaction, dont give me this bull.

[Mr Meeseeks]

if i am right about one of my three, ill be taking a close look at salesman because theres something odd there. problem is im too used to plotinus' style and it keeps seeming a bit off but then i remember its a hydra so im gonna get alarm bells, because ploti is a much player than bnl so when something is said that seems odd or backwards or something that they should realise is stupid, i have to keep in mind it might just be bnl :/

[Mr Meeseeks]

Re: Cakes/Fire Assassin I'd like to see what either of them think of this.

ahahahaha me looking forwards to a scumgame? do you honestly think this think this, because i do *NOT* look forwards to playing as scum

I think that you were looking forward to this game because yay science. I know that you prefer to play as town, but I had thought that you were growing more comfortable as scum lately and feeling more confident in your abilities, especially after your success in [redacted]. I know that [redacted2] was a frustrating scumgame for you because [etc] but I also thought you did really well in that game in spite of [youknow].

more confident, yes. still wouldnt look forwards to them. i was like "yes im town" in this and im disappointed im being scumread for largely meta reasons despite being an alt

again

piss off, i often call out naked votes. ive seen them before, and 90% of the time they are backed up by shitty reasons when called out (see literally this fucking time!!!!!) because they usually dont give a reason because theyre scared theyll get called out when they do, so its not even close to a strange reaction, dont give me this bull.

Naked votes are usually a reaction test of some sort. There don't need to be fantastic reasons on page 7. I assumed his naked vote was because he was sheeping me. Your response to it was overblown. You accused him of talking about other players but voting you instead, but the other players he talked about were "townread, townread, i don't know what i think of magna yet" reads, so voting any of them (except magna maybe) would also have been unexpected.

exactly, i was expecting a magna vote, and ive always disliked naked votes and pried into them. my reaction wasnt even slightly overblown. do you remember my initial reaction?

VOTE: Mr Meeseeks

do tell me why you made a big catchup and focused on several players who werent me and then voted me anyway?

fuck off is that overblown in the slightest, but apparently that was enough to "justify" the vote, can you see why im hella suspiciouss of it?

if i am right about one of my three, ill be taking a close look at salesman because theres something odd there. problem is im too used to plotinus' style and it keeps seeming a bit off but then i remember its a hydra so im gonna get alarm bells, because ploti is a much player than bnl so when something is said that seems odd or backwards or something that they should realise is stupid, i have to keep in mind it might just be bnl :/

bnl is the one who signs -bnl. He is also V/LA until the 6th so it's just been me for now. He's posted in our hydra PT though.

man this honesty despite the fact you know itd make me suspicious is kinda townie but also something i know plotinus would do so ehhh

im null on travleing right now but if one of my scumreads turns up scum theyll be next on my list to scrutinise

[Mr Meeseeks]

He voted you, probably expecting that you would reactl ike [x] as scum and like [y] as town and you reacted like [x] so he continued voting you? that's usually how these things work? I mean you can argue that he's wrong but doing something to see how someone will react this early in the game isn't scummy?

im saying thats really shitty reasoning unless you know who theyre an alt of and have a meta read and im 90% sure thats not the case because thats how i would react normally because naked votes are trash. like i said, my reaction was little more than "so what is your reason for voting" which isnt even slightly a weird reaction at all, you can argue about the "tone" of using "do" but honestly thats just unnecessary semantic and pedantic discussion

idgaf that youre voting me, im not gonna push you when you havent done anything that scummy

so...why do you give so many fucks about me voting you? it's not like I had a 'case', right?

what? thats something i said to travelling salesman. i give few fucks because theyre not being hugely scummy and their reason is founded in something i know exists. your reason is a naked vote and then a shitty "oh lol reaction test!!!! scummm" when i simply ask why you voted. thats why i give so many fucks. i dont see how you cant tell the difference between what you did and what salesman did and this quote still hugely confuses me as to why you chose it like what

There are two minutes between the first posts. Why? what went through your head for two minutes before you decided it was worthy to post 'seriously though im not scum'?

Also why is there a HALF AN HOUR between that post and 'why I said this'?

thats just how my train of thought works, especially with this being an alt, ill switch accounts back to my main and then something will suddenly pop into my head and then i switch back. thats honestly just how my brain works.

I am pretty sure he's seen naked votes before in his mafia career. He's not a newb. So yeah, it was a strange reaction.

piss off, i often call out naked votes. ive seen them before, and 90% of the time they are backed up by shitty reasons when called out (see

literally this fucking time

!!!!!) because they usually dont give a reason because theyre scared theyll get called out when they do, so its not even close to a strange reaction, dont give me this bull.

Any chance you link me to a game of yours where you've been nakedvoted?

ive only played one game on this alt and i couldnt find any posts where ive been nakedvoted there so, uh, no!

[Mr Meeseeks]

This post pings me a lot. There's OMGUS, overreacting, and his progression of reads is just who's pushed on him and me.

oh good "omgus" as a buzzword

i hate the overuse of omgus - omgus is literally "you voted me so ill vote you", not "i have a good reason for voting you and you are also voting me". overreacting? i havent even gone all caps yet which i did several times in my previous game. your description of my weird "progression of reads" ...i dont get what you mean?

I don't understand the second quote/reason here at all.

well i explained it plenty well so frankly that isnt my problem at this point

This reminded me, I'm still waiting for an answer to this Meeseeks.

learn to read my posts before throwing anything and everything that you can at me and youll see i already answered that

you can still rely on more generic scumtells

and you disagree that using "generic scumtells" for something with so many varied reactions such as nakedly voting someone isnt a bit dodgy?

@shos: have you noticed that scum are more likely to do that than town? I thought that thinking of a better thing to say half an hour after the conversation has ended was a fairly universal human experience. I remember going back a month later and telling somebody "zipper" because I'd forgotten the word the last time we interacted but by then they'd forgotten the initial conversation.

Not necessarily, but for this thing specifically, yes.

Town don't go take a shower and come back "oh I said this because ehehehehe".
I'm not sure I'm buying this entire "switched to alt" thingie.

the "switched to alt" was litearlly 3 minutes difference, because i logged off, go "wait shit" and then logged back on. you can say its not a town view, but in all honesty i think its just a person-by-person thing, my brain just works like this because it is weird. sometimes ill make a post and half an hour later realised i missed a bit off that i should have said. its better than me just not saying it at all, no?

I know I said the opposite before, but now I don't think Meeseeks would be a good lynch.

why

Mr Meeseeks - 2 (Travelling Salesman, shos)

uhh... what? cakez isnt voting me? that makes... little sense. just look at his iso, hes spent wayyyyy more time focusing on me than fire assassin, his current vote. like, hes had one or two sentences about him, ive had entire posts dedicated to me. hm.

[Mr Meeseeks]

UGHHH.

Meeseeks, are you a hydra or an alt?

this alt

this alt

this is an alt

im an alt

im intentionally playing differently as an alt

being an alt

this being an alt

this alt

i mean idk man i wonder

[Mr Meeseeks]

shos, have you even been reading this game? seriously?

[Mr Meeseeks]

I mostly skimmed the walls, it's uninteresting.

but the fact that you have missed that (a) i am just an alt and (b) traveling salesman is a hydra with plotinus in is a brand new level of incompetence that i find stunning, and tells me you have barely even been reading the game. like, at all.

How your reads all just seem to be based on who's pushing you.

thats not omgus, like i said, omgus is "omg u voted me voteeeee", ive given plenty of genuine reasons so nah, its not my fault that most players who have voted me have given shitty reasons. also, wheres my scumread of salesman? ive basically put them as nulltown ffs

Meeseeks nullscum

ahahaha what? nullscum? after all youve said about me, im fucking

nullscum

? that just seems... wrong.

He didn't say anything about disagreeing with shos wagon tho.

...but him supporting a rivaling wagon is a pretty clear indication that he disagrees with it though. subtext, reading between the lines, as irritating as i find it when people dont state reads its pretty obviously implied when he does something like that. come on.

Considering you remembered it so well, it shouldn't have been hard to find.

i made like 325 posts in that game so it was hardly an easy search

How is this scummy?

im 90% sure i already explained this, but its asking questions to appear like youre doing something or thinking critically while actually acheieving very little.

Defensiveness is a town attribute. However, over-defensiveness is a scum attribute. You've been given an inch of rope and your kicking and screaming travels over a mile.

show me where, because i havent just gone "wahwah youre voting me when im town" (which id agree is scummy), ive made it pretty clear that im critical of their reasons and intentions and ive given reasons. also, give my iso in my last game a quick skim - especially where i was being challengeed by rc. thats honestly just how im being.

You're so vindictive and angry that I see someone upset that they're being voted and not that they're trying to find scum.

oh fuck you, ive got three scumspects and another which is slightly below which im fairly confident of, ive done the most fucking scumhunting this whole game!

If he were town, there'd be more votes on him.

ugh, im sorry travelling but i hate this kind of reasonining because 9/10 times its more just feeling around in the dark and saying things which support your view rather than being logical. someone could easily argue that if i were scum id have more votes on me as my partners would be bussing me if they feel im not doing very well (and you could argue "power role" but this is an antihero upick, everyone has a damn power role).

me vs meeseeks

uh... what? is me vs you a thing? as far as i can tell its just you having a mislead scumread and me disagreeing (and being a bit cautious due to your interactions with others). i dont see why scum would pile on me right now - hell, it would look opportunistic as fuck for a start.

a few people are noncommitally scumreading him.

first of all, are they? second of all, so why arent you questioning them rather than just using it to confbias your read on me? cakez is the only offender i notice yet you havent talked to him about it at all, and considering your pov you probably should, since he completely ignored my attempt to confront him about it.

[Mr Meeseeks]

first of all, are they? second of all, so why arent you questioning them rather than just using it to confbias your read on me? cakez is the only offender i notice yet you havent talked to him about it at all, and considering your pov you probably should, since he completely ignored my attempt to confront him about it.

We are questioning Cakes and I want to read some more of his games.

The other was chilledtea, which I called him out for. Anen was scumreading you but then he stopped. I'm not sure why he stopped. Fire Assassin is townreading you. Kuroi and shos are voting you. Sheldon doesn't want to lynch you because you're frustrated.

actually, uhh, nope, chilledtea has said

So he is null.

so your actual accurate sample size for people who are scumreading me but not voting me is... one. one single player.

i know that confbiasing is hard to get out of - especially when you have a meta read which you view as "accurate" - but you need to really think more carefully

so youre implying that in the way hes acting cakez should be my scumpartner - and yet he is the weakest of your scumreads, and even in the case of chilledtea people often just dont feel confident enugh in a scumread to vote on it - hardly an unexpected or unreasonable reaction for someone you have as null, no?

also, uhh

We are questioning cakes

...

no youre not

youve asked him one question

about his

kuroi

read

get your shit together, get it all together and put it in a back pack, all your shit, so its together, and if you gotta take it somewhere, take it somewhere, you know, take it to the shit store and sell it, or put it in the shit museum, i dont care what you do, you just gotta get it together.

[Mr Meeseeks]

and just his read on me - no questioning to do with him not voting me or the cognitive dissonance between what hes said about me and what his supposed read on me is which is the, you know, actually important part

[Mr Meeseeks]

Meseeks is definitely not a town read, and his genuineness in some things he has said makes me doubtful of the small scum read on him.

So I rather take my time with reading him. So he is null.

[Mr Meeseeks]

You're so vindictive and angry that I see someone upset that they're being voted and not that they're trying to find scum.

oh fuck you, ive got three scumspects and another which is slightly below which im fairly confident of, ive done the most fucking scumhunting this whole game!

By the way, it shows over-defensive when you're getting to the point of appealing to more emotion. You're swearing a lot[/quote]fuck off is that a scumtell. i just went into the iso of my other game, used ctrl+f, and in the two pages there were 125 matches for "fuck". so, uhh swearing being a scumtell? forget it.

, and evidently, only to me. Tell me, who are you scum hunting?

can i help someone with a chronic problem of apparently being unable to see whats right in front of them?

she'd choose frogs as her role...

shit i didnt know you were married to deathrowkitty

Ok, so you guys know, I am a double voter. I hinted at it earlier and that's the reason I unvoted after my first vote.

oh yay claims already :/ i mean i understand but ehh, double voter is something i prefer people to keep secret, but you can go as a townlean for now i guess

I don't like the fact that Sheldon and shos voted magna right after I did simply to prove my double vote. After the next vote count my vote is going on one of you two

eh? i dont see whats alignment indicative about them doing that...

uh-oh

seems like we got scum!
VOTE: Java

wut

“Hey look – I’ll try to both peddle that MoI is somehow both doubting the claim and putting too much faith in it at the same time.”

oh look misrepresenting someone who happens to be voting you what a coincidence

VOTE: Cabd

woahwoahwoah so you feel that sheldon made a contradiction in voting you and stuff etc but you instead voted cabd for... some reason? calling someone scummy and then not voting someone while voting someone with little reason is a pretty nice tell, thanks for that!

VOTE: magnaofillusion

Javajoe is most likely likely town as well for their approach to the claim, as well as to an extent their role being likely town.

Everyone else is null at this point except for MoI who I am scumreading because their approach to the Java claim didn't feel at all like actual scumhunting

Scum. Scum desperately trying to justify a scum read on me for the exact same conclusion I drew.

I voted MoI following 56

because I was super sketched about about his willingness to consider a proven doublevote confirmed town

as well as his inclination to not believe an extremely easily disprovable claim.

Here is the initial reasoning on why I am scum. The bolded is the important part.

1. 56 never says anything about Java being “Confirmed Town”. It simply says I could sort him as Town for his role. So a misrep.
2. He comes to that same analysis on Java as quoted above. He's now couching his read on "it doesn't feel like real scum-hunting" which is means ... he can't actually justify his stance and has to throw empty words.

That and he ignores the whole back and forth I had with Travelling that explains exactly my thought process.

VOTE: Sheldon

Or Shotty.

yeah i like this for scum - he had already given plenty of reason to vote sheldon cooper, but he "had" to come up with this extra logical leap to fully justify voting, and something about this feels unnatural

Haven't completed reading yet but we have got our scum.

VOTE : SirCakez

has everyone this game forgotten how reasons work

So my first topic discussion I want us all to discuss what were your choices that Antihero didn't pick?

I am still in support of my RVS vote, and we need a wagon.
So I suggest everyone condense onto my vote.
Please and thank you from your friendly neighborhood assassin.

I didn't like these two posts. First one is a bizarre question that accomplishes nothing and the second is pushing an unexplained RVS wagon because ???

first one, shit dude, you complain about a useless post in post number seven??? while not even commenting on all of the arguably more useless science discussion that extended to the third page? sheesh. second one, uhh, "we need a wagon", he wants a wagon to form so he can analyse it, so theres a clear reason so you cant say "because ???", second scum with magna that would be cool

mr. image format

who

i mean shit look at all the scumhunting i

didnt fucking do

sure im doing a lot of reacting at stuff directed at me and answering questions but would you rather i just ignored it? i cant help it if im at the centre of far too much attention right now

[Mr Meeseeks]

it's my opinion

yeah i get its your opinion but if you looked at my last game youd see this isnt really alignment-indicative at all

Strong Scum: Meeseeks

is this strong scum relatively speaking or just in general?

I'm trusting Plot on Meeseeks being our strongest scumread

please read my posts and make your mind up on your own. i would like to hear the opinion of someone in your hydra who doesnt have the confbias of a meta read from the start and maybe you can help convince ploti of the truth

Meeseeks nullscum

ahahaha what? nullscum? after all youve said about me, im fucking

nullscum

? that just seems... wrong.

I don't have any really strong scumreads at this point. Fire Assasin has kind of drifted back to nullscum.

youre dodging my question here. i asked you why im nullscum despite what youve said about me, and youve said about fire. idgaf about fire. ansewr the damn question

He didn't say anything about disagreeing with shos wagon tho.

...but him supporting a rivaling wagon is a pretty clear indication that he disagrees with it though. subtext, reading between the lines, as irritating as i find it when people dont state reads its pretty obviously implied when he does something like that. come on.

Not really....
I've supported counter wagons without disagreeing with the other before

...then why is it weird that he supported a counter wagon without disagreeing with the other? youve just said you regularly do something that you scumread fire for, which seems counterintuitive at best

How is this scummy?

im 90% sure i already explained this, but its asking questions to appear like youre doing something or thinking critically while actually acheieving very little.

And how do you know I'm not achieving anything?

the question was about whether or not something in another game actually happened or not, and you pretty much entirely knew im not lying because i would have to be a completely incompetent buffoon to lie about something so disprovable. ergo, asking about it is an attempt to look like youre doing something when in reality you achieve very little

And I am scumreading Meeseeks.

and you are

still not voting me

like what the holy balls youve made it abundantly clear im your strongest scumread yet your vote is still placed on your fire assassin vanity wagon while completely ignoring the building wagon on me. this isnt town, this is scum trying to avoid looking opportunistic by not joining a growing wagon
VOTE: sircakez

-notscience

well pun

And I am scumreading Meeseeks. This is really awful reasoning for a scumread. Like my townread on you just sank like a rock, that's how fake I think this is.

I strongly think Meeseeks is a planned mislynch by some scums.

why?

oh good "omgus" as a buzzword

i hate the overuse of omgus - omgus is literally "you voted me so ill vote you", not "i have a good reason for voting you and you are also voting me". overreacting? i havent even gone all caps yet which i did several times in my previous game. your description of my weird "progression of reads" ...i dont get what you mean?

Friend Meeseeks, I agree with you that voting somebody who voted for you isn't that great a scumtell and that there can be situations for example if most people are scumreading player A then anybody that player A attacks can counter with "omgus" when instead the problem is that 12 people are scumreading player A and 3 of them must also be scum because math.

But I also can think of examples where you, as scum, found it difficult to push back on anybody but the few people who were scumreading you, and that your read on them was primarily a response to their read on you, so that does kind of ping me. idk it's a nuanced kind of thing. I'm pretty sure I've seen you omgus as town, too, though.

yeah i play reactionary regardless, especially rn when i have various other important things on its easier just to focus on what is important relative to me, and thus largely peoples feelings about me

and you disagree that using "generic scumtells" for something with so many varied reactions such as nakedly voting someone isnt a bit dodgy?

You're playing on an alt, so generic scumtells are what most people have to go on. If you want people to take into account how you in particular tend to react to certain things, you play on your main. If you want to escape from all of the meta stuff, you play on an alt. I think I'm going to try alting a bit after this; I'm really tired of being Plotinus. I need an alt for real life, too. >.>

yeah but the particularly "general scumtell" of shos' (that is, reacting to a naked vote) is one of those that is very much changeable per person for the vast majority of users, which is why i find it weird

shos, have you even been reading this game? seriously?

This is, unfortunately, not alignment indicative for shos. I played with townshos once and scumshos once and I didn't see much of a difference between the two.

yeah but im still hoping to convince the dingus to do so through calling him out. it was more of a genearl "are you fucking kidding me" than finding it scummy, i just found it incompeteny

Um, it turned out that the only things i have to say right now in response to your posts are chatty things. why. but you requoted 133 but i think there was something in there i wanted to ask about.

oh yay claims already :/ i mean i understand but ehh, double voter is something i prefer people to keep secret, but you can go as a townlean for now i guess

How would he keep it a secret if he can't turn it off? Eventually people would notice that he's never voting...

in all honesty im not 100percent sure what i meant by that and what alternative was in my brain sorry about that

[Mr Meeseeks]

shit did not realise i was this close so prodge-sorta post (ie ill post general ideas but no catchup until tomorrow

d/l getting a tad close, and ive seen a lot of support for cakez, so i dont see why we shouldnt get a bigger wagon on him, considering particularly that five of our seven wagons consist of a single vote

i would welcome a shos wagon too but that seems notably less popular so id rather push for cakeyboy

i dissuade any wagons on kuroi or anenineninenineninen until further notice

[Mr Meeseeks]

site is loading super fucking slow for me right now, im gonna prodge now just in case i cant get my big post out in time

[Mr Meeseeks]

I get meta. I really do, but if you use it as your only line of defense, you're not defending yourself well. It comes off as an excuse, and that's how I take it.

but it is a perfectly valid argument - its inaccurate to call me scummy for being overdefensive when that fits with my town meta. sure, you cant call me town for it either, obviously but with the meta knowledge you should take it with a pinch of salt

Scummier than Mr. Burns. Less scummy than Hitler.
I'm not sure what you're asking from me.

what i meant was like "am i strong scum just because im your strongest you have or are you really pretty certain im scum" if that makes sense

Yes you're nullscum. There's only 13 pages, I don't have any uber super xD strong scumreads

there is a place between "uber super xd strong scumreads" and "nullscum". i was expressing distaste that, despite all that youve said about me being scum (and believe me its a lot), im still only nullscum. that seems like a cognitive dissonance and it is part of the large reason while im scumreading you; it looks like youre trying to emphasise that im scum without showing yourself scumreading me much so you can have an excuse not to vote me for whatever reason

He didn't say anything about disagreeing with shos wagon tho.

...but him supporting a rivaling wagon is a pretty clear indication that he disagrees with it though. subtext, reading between the lines, as irritating as i find it when people dont state reads its pretty obviously implied when he does something like that. come on.

Not really....
I've supported counter wagons without disagreeing with the other before

...then why is it weird that he supported a counter wagon without disagreeing with the other? youve just said you regularly do something that you scumread fire for, which seems counterintuitive at best

What?

you complained that he started a counter wagon without disagreeing with the other, saying that its scummy. you then said "ive supported counterwagons without disagreeing with the other before". you literally said you regularly did something you find scummy about him. more votes on this guy please???

How is this scummy?

im 90% sure i already explained this, but its asking questions to appear like youre doing something or thinking critically while actually acheieving very little.

And how do you know I'm not achieving anything?

the question was about whether or not something in another game actually happened or not, and you pretty much entirely knew im not lying because i would have to be a completely incompetent buffoon to lie about something so disprovable. ergo, asking about it is an attempt to look like youre doing something when in reality you achieve very little

I have some pretty solid reads so I haven't "achieved nothing".

great, im not talking about in general achieving nothing, stop misrepresenting what ive said. in fact i didnt even say achieve nothing i said achieve very little so youre literally lying about what i said. but regardless, the point is you asked that question which was ultimately pointelss as it achieved nothing. youve misrepresented my intentions in this reply as well as literally misquoting me

And I am scumreading Meeseeks.

and you are

still not voting me

like what the holy balls youve made it abundantly clear im your strongest scumread yet your vote is still placed on your fire assassin vanity wagon while completely ignoring the building wagon on me. this isnt town, this is scum trying to avoid looking opportunistic by not joining a growing wagon
VOTE: sircakez

Huh good point
VOTE: Meeseeks

[/quote]fuckin finally

Not answering this but you should know the answer.

if i knew the answer i wouldnt have asked why, would i? answer the question i asked please

if I'm wrong about Meeseeks then never mind.

why? i think its scummy regardless of context, why does behaving like that to someone who is town suddenly stop it being scummy in any way?

Im way too tired to got hrough all the walls on p13.

look, the vast majority of my posts are walls. how can you declare yourself to be able to read me well enough to put me as top scum when you clearly havent read them?

Meer – This may or may not be a play-style issue. I do however find feel his case on me feels very much like “Oh, I’m getting a meta-read from Traveller I better find something to put a large wall out there so it doesn’t get traction”.

i dont get what youre saying - why would "putting out" a large wall stop a meta read getting traction? also tbh it was basically timing coincidence that it happened around the time but hey

Link this please.

are you fucking kidding? i really hope you are kidding

My comment about Sheldon’s vote was a jest response

...im sorry i didnt get that from

“Hey look – I’ll try to both peddle that MoI is somehow both doubting the claim and putting too much faith in it at the same time.”

like sure the wolowitz bit was in jest but this bit looks like youre trying to point out a genuine contradiction and while you may have known that it wasnt really obvious, so it feels unfair to call that reading. and while you did point out that cabd did scummy stuff, that was done in posts well before this, it seemed weird to wait to put the vote on until that post (and the exact reason why cabd was scum for that question is totally beyond me tbh)

Since I know who is the main behind Mees

uhh how do you know thiss??

Hydras share an alignment. If you see scummy behavior from them regardless of the head you hunt it.

disagreeee, if you know fairly well both heads and they post something which would be a bit dodgy from one head and not dodgy from the other, it surely is sensible to see if you know which head it is from
also ploti admitted it was ploti and i didnt scumread them for that so this point is moot

So it’s OK for you, who have many many words with Salesman to NullTown him but it isn’t OK for Cakez to Nullscum you?

read my interactions with salesman. i have had a mix of scumreading them for some things and townreading them for others which, when balanced, lead me to a nulltown. almost every word cakes has said about me has suggested that he thinks im scum. thats why its okay for me and not okay for him. different circumstances

Wait, why?

because i dont think either of you are scum yet both - particularly you - seem to be getting a fair amount of people expressing willingness to vote you. particularly since, except from traveling salesman whose post i find almost as inaccurate as you do, they all said stuff like "read kurois posts we should lynch him", that is to say, giving no reasons, and this was before traveling said anything so they cant have been agreeing with them. but even despite that, i just disagree that youre scum yet your wagon is growing so i thought id point out that youre a bad wagon imo

[Mr Meeseeks]

i dont get what youre saying - why would "putting out" a large wall stop a meta read getting traction? also tbh it was basically timing coincidence that it happened around the time but hey

Well if you don’t know what piece is missing from the claimed Town meta on you putting up a large wall would certainly be a way to hopefully bridge that gap.

right..? then why did i procrastinate putting up a large wall with various excuses rather than straightaway doing it?

like sure the wolowitz bit was in jest but this bit looks like youre trying to point out a genuine contradiction and while you may have known that it wasnt really obvious, so it feels unfair to call that reading. and while you did point out that cabd did scummy stuff, that was done in posts well before this, it seemed weird to wait to put the vote on until that post (and the exact reason why cabd was scum for that question is totally beyond me tbh)

Well this is a you-problem then because the whole thing was clearly tongue in cheek. Whether that problem stems from Town or Scum is yet to be sorted in my mind.

As to why Cadb is scummy (as scummy as you get on page 1 to 3 anyway) look at 26 and tell me if you see game relevant content in there.

is it really "clearly tongue in cheek" to imply that someones post is contradictory? especially since several other players didnt pick up the tone. and the other thing is irrelevant

uhh how do you know thiss??

I read game here on MS that I don’t play in. Seriously what’s the purpose of this question as far as you sorting my alignment context?

because theres only one game my alt was outed in so i just found it quite weird. also it means its less likely for you+travel to be scumpartners because theres a decent chance that they may have outed my alt to their partners which you would totally be more careful about revealing

read my interactions with salesman. i have had a mix of scumreading them for some things and townreading them for others which, when balanced, lead me to a nulltown. almost every word cakes has said about me has suggested that he thinks im scum. thats why its okay for me and not okay for him. different circumstances

I’ve read the whole game. Personally I think at the most charitable analysis of your post that you are trying to split hairs given there is no “book definition” of what nullscum or nulltown means.

really? because that is a silly and incompetent analysis. theres a pretty obvious difference between cakes being nullscum on me despite virtually all his many comments on me being "is scum", and me being nulltown on travel after having various town and non-town feeligns about him

And as to other responses non-Specific to me personally –

but it is a perfectly valid argument - its inaccurate to call me scummy for being overdefensive when that fits with my town meta. sure, you cant call me town for it either, obviously but with the meta knowledge you should take it with a pinch of salt

I’m frankly finding this sort of response from you scummy as hell.

You’ve made a big song and dance about this is an alt that you wanted to use so as to not be meta read. And now you are trying to lean on a Town meta in this argument. One other completed game is not a Town meta and I don’t see any evidence Kuroi knows who you are an alt of.

if youd read the context you know im not talking about my mains meta but this accounts meta so good job being entirely wrong here. sure, one game is not a meta or whatever bullshit you spout, but surely theres a logical connection between me being overdefensive as fuck in one game where i was town and that not being a scumtell for me?

d/l getting a tad close, and ive seen a lot of support for cakez, so i dont see why we shouldnt get a bigger wagon on him, considering particularly that five of our seven wagons consist of a single vote

i would welcome a shos wagon too but that seems notably less popular so id rather push for cakeyboy

Of COURSE we choose the lynch by popularity and not by who I actually think is scum!! What do you mean?! Scumhunting is for pussiez, I dont need that shit

Just see where someone is lynchable and join

Piece of cake


...VOTE: meseeks-
(p sure my vote was already there?)

jesus you are thick sometimes arent you

i scumread BOTH YOU AND CAKEZ. that is OBVIOUS from my posts (of course you dont FUCKING read any of them but thats irrelevant). now, when deadline is approaching, which one am i gonna fucking push? you or cakez, when you have less fucking popularity? also there is a fucking votecount right before that fucking post and who has more votes? kuroi. WHO I FUCKING SAID NOT TO LYNCH

LYNCHING BY POPULARITY MY HAIRY ARSEHOLE

[Mr Meeseeks]

like i know you can be a bit bad sometimes but right now you seem to be playing a game of "what is the smallest number of brain cells i can use in a game of mafia"

[Mr Meeseeks]

that post was at shos by the way

Meeseeks, I realize I need to re-read this game, but can you give me a group of two or three that you would most like to lynch?

cakez
shos
magnaofillusion

in that order

[Mr Meeseeks]

right..? then why did i procrastinate putting up a large wall with various excuses rather than straightaway doing it?

Perhaps because you hate the effort being scum requires to make walls like that with fake-scumhunting?

a theory with a massive hole in it, given that like 80% of my posts have been huge walls with scumhunting

really? because that is a silly and incompetent analysis. theres a pretty obvious difference between cakes being nullscum on me despite virtually all his many comments on me being "is scum", and me being nulltown on travel after having various town and non-town feeligns about him

Not really. I don’t directly point to every post I read as Town in this game. The process of scum-hunting is going to focus on the negative. It is by no means a stretch to suggest that someone could have a Nullscum rating on someone with the majority of their comments to said player being focused on negative aspects of that player’s posting.

But yeah – keep up with the insults. Very helpful for you.

but even when confronted he hasnt given a single reason why im "town". also, why are you defending him and speaking for him? and youve definitely changed your initial, point, originally it was "what is the difference", but when i point a difference you instead scramble to cover that he just hadnt stated any reasons for townreading me. oh, and that dig for "insults" is just silly, i said that your analysis is silly and incomptent, not you. anyway, to humour you, if he found anything townie about me, why didnt he bring it up when i expressed distaste at his "nullscum" read and not voting which he justified by "well i just dont have a strong read thats all" and "i forgot to vote". surely that is the time any town player who did have a nullscum read due to townie influences to, you know, bring them up? but hey, ill go with it because i know youll keep hammering away at this, and by the way if the reasons are shitty i wont accept it, im saying this in advance preparing for all likelihood that if he does come up with reasons and their shitty and i say their shitty youll just accuse me of not wanting to hear them from the start, because seriously ive asked him why im nullscum before and hes never give any similar reasoning so if he comes up with any reasoning now i bet you it was come up with on the spot

sircakez why was i only nullscum?

if youd read the context you know im not talking about my mains meta but this accounts meta so good job being entirely wrong here. sure, one game is not a meta or whatever bullshit you spout, but surely theres a logical connection between me being overdefensive as fuck in one game where i was town and that not being a scumtell for me?

No I can read in context very well. Your trying to peddle a single game as meta is crap. Hell – meta itself is mostly crap. But you failing back on this sort of argument reads at a gut level as “Caught for the wrong reasons” whining.

im hardly peddling it as meta though. im not saying "DUDE YOU GOTTA TOWNREAD ME FOR DIS SHIT". im saying "look, i did this loads as town in my last game, maybe consider the fact that for me its not scummy", which isnt even

slightly

unreasonable to somebody who isnt trying their hardest to paint someone as scum for bad reasons

before, i was getting so-so on magna being scum. im now relatively confident in it, even if it is the weakest of my scum read.

[Mr Meeseeks]

i scumread BOTH YOU AND CAKEZ. that is OBVIOUS from my posts (of course you dont FUCKING read any of them but thats irrelevant). now, when deadline is approaching, which one am i gonna fucking push? you or cakez, when you have less fucking popularity? also there is a fucking votecount right before that fucking post and who has more votes? kuroi. WHO I FUCKING SAID NOT TO LYNCH

LYNCHING BY POPULARITY MY HAIRY ARSEHOLE

okay slight error, the vote putting kuroi at "most voted" actually occurred in literally the post after the post i made

but way more players, including our double voter, had shown an interest to vote kuroi than had shown an interest to vote cakes, and they had an equal number of votes on them at the time i made that post

point still stands

[Mr Meeseeks]

Wellshyt. Either you're dumb or I was misinterpreting something.

chances are im just being dumb, gimme a hint

only thing i can think of is that youve read something ive said as me softclaiming or crumbing or in some way hinting at my role and are reading me based on that? in which case i can assure you i have not done so and in that case you did misinterpret something

[Mr Meeseeks]

Wellshyt. Either you're dumb or I was misinterpreting something.

chances are im just being dumb, gimme a hint

only thing i can think of is that youve read something ive said as me softclaiming or crumbing or in some way hinting at my role and are reading me based on that? in which case i can assure you i have not done so and in that case you did misinterpret something

Exactly.
I thought you were hinting having a PR.

i mean naturally i do have a pr because everyone has a pr because its an antihero upick game

but no, i never hinted at having a particular pr

[Mr Meeseeks]

quote="In post 316, SirCakez"]Yes you're nullscum. There's only 13 pages, I don't have any uber super xD strong scumreads

there is a place between "uber super xd strong scumreads" and "nullscum". i was expressing distaste that, despite all that youve said about me being scum (and believe me its a lot), im still only nullscum. that seems like a cognitive dissonance and it is part of the large reason while im scumreading you; it looks like youre trying to emphasise that im scum without showing yourself scumreading me much so you can have an excuse not to vote me for whatever reason[/quote]
You're a full scumread now so looks like your problem isn't an issue anymore![/quote]i mean... it is in and of the fact that you still did the scummy thing. youre the one who asked the question, im just answering it

you complained that he started a counter wagon without disagreeing with the other, saying that its scummy. you then said "ive supported counterwagons without disagreeing with the other before". you literally said you regularly did something you find scummy about him. more votes on this guy please???

oh nevermind you clearly cant understand it

great, im not talking about in general achieving nothing, stop misrepresenting what ive said. in fact i didnt even say achieve nothing i said achieve very little so youre literally lying about what i said. but regardless, the point is you asked that question which was ultimately pointelss as it achieved nothing. youve misrepresented my intentions in this reply as well as literally misquoting me

It wasn't pointless, it helped my reads. gtfo.

how

sircakez why was i only nullscum?

Because there was very little game content to go off of. Even now the game is fairly small.

very little? at the time of your first "nullscum", youd made seven posts which contained stuff saying or implying i was scummy, while you had no consideration of me being town. also, hah, take that magna, it wasnt because he townread me, so suck it, it was just as i suspected. shocker, huh?

Well given that the time it took you to start posting said walls I don’t think necessarily that is a huge a hole as you are presenting.

well yes it is because you said "well maybe it took you a while to make a wall after travels accusations because you hate making walls" when i obviously dont hate making walls because ive made a metric fucktonne of walls so it still is a pretty damn gaping hole

The prediction about how things are going to go doesn’t do you any favors in my eyes – you ‘ve already drawn hard conclusions about events that have yet to pass which isn’t something I’d expect Town to do.

well guess what i was right, and yeah they do, when town finds someone scummy in a certain area and has an idea as to why its scummy, its hardly difficult to create a conclusion as to how they will respond to a certain thing

As to whether Town players would post every Town thing they see – why do you expect that from everyone when you clearly ascribe to the theory that players play differently and can’t be held to “generic scum tells”? It is the basis of your argument on not suspecting your for over-reacting to pressure. I personally rarely post things I see that I think are Town unless the situation specifically warrants it.

and this point is also rendered moot by cakes not stating any town things

Isn’t this the point where you should be voting me? I mean you hammered Cakez for not voting you and here you are saying you are relatively confident I am scum.

hey dude how about you read the part you quoted and the bit where it says "magna is my weakest scumread" and figure out from that why you arent voting me...
how did you go from post 337 and

are you scum or just unfun: Kuroi

to

Kuroi is town as fuck

[Mr Meeseeks]

agreed, lets lynch cakes please

tbh im tempted to just claim now because i am aware of a huge risk of the votes just falling on and lynching me because everyone will just go "fuckit we have no other viable lynch"

but ideally we could just lynch cakes. look through my iso, ive said more than enough about it all

id be cool with shos too, but id prefer cakey

[Mr Meeseeks]

Y

[Mr Meeseeks]

okay i just thought id be a bit cheeky and clever, serious mode now

im yttrium, investigative neighbour

would rather not disclose the exact nature of either my investigative or who my neighbours are because the ones who need to know already know because theyre in the hood thank you very much

[Mr Meeseeks]

i chose yttrium because its my favourite element (which in turn is because it has a funny name)

for my choices I chose one for each main area of science (chem, physics, bio) so naturally my favourite element was the one for chemistry

[Mr Meeseeks]

i mean i agree maybe ytterbium is a funnier name but I found out yttrium first so its always been my special element

curious as to why you question the neighbour bit? like, it would be pointless to lie about it as scum as it is not really alignment indicative since both town and scum can be neighbours, but it is easily disprovable so itd be weird to lie as it is a risk with little reward

[Mr Meeseeks]

because i am aware of a huge risk of the votes just falling on and lynching me because everyone will just go "fuckit we have no other viable lynch"

[Mr Meeseeks]

I am happy with my vote.

why

previously i didnt care but right now youre voting a claimed investigative because meta and confbias so explain exactly why you dont believe my claim enough to unvote me and put your vote on a competent wagon

[Mr Meeseeks]

He's not a town investigative.

dont even act like multiple different investigative roles in an antihero UPick is out of the question

[Mr Meeseeks]

go back and look at antiheros hitchcock upick, there was at least two town investigative roles

[Mr Meeseeks]

i didnt reach said conclusion until after the first post was made and i went "oh shit"

But that game had two watchers, a tracker, a flavour cop, and a psychologist (modified gunsmith), all town

it is not even slightly out of the question for us to both be town investigatives

scroll down antis iso,he made a post with all roles

[Mr Meeseeks]

i panicked okay am i not allowed to do that

And how else am i supposed to point out a flaw in your logic? oh shit, youre a power role in a game where everyone is a power role, what a shockerr

[Mr Meeseeks]

its pretty late at night here so i better go to sleep so ill reply to stuff in the morning

[Mr Meeseeks]

curious as to why you question the neighbour bit? like, it would be pointless to lie about it as scum as it is not really alignment indicative since both town and scum can be neighbours, but it is easily disprovable so itd be weird to lie as it is a risk with little reward

Not in science. At least to me. I tried going through the Wiki and looking for keywords that would give me a hint that there would be some sort of chemical/physical property that could be translated into a role. I couldn't find anything and while that's not alignment indicative, your response is. Your post was made out of pressure and I don't know why you asked me why I would question anything. It's my job to see if your claim makes sense.

Right now, I'm hoping someone else who knows more about science than I do could say something to help.

agreed, lets lynch cakes please

I can swing a train onto Cakez, I haven't seen any posts that made me think he was town.

It seems like you're either just automatically buying Meeseek's claim or you're trying to go after easy bait.

VOTE: Sir Cakez

Not lynching Meeseeks today, that would be a terrible lynch.
I say we go ahead with this though.

Why is Meeseeks a terrible lynch?

Players who read players by claims alone I think need to relearn the basics of mafia.
If you scumread the player already, and then his claim seems sketchy, thats one thing.

But you're appearing to read Meeseeks by his claim alone.

i panicked okay am i not allowed to do that

Well it typically doesn't good to panic. Why would town panic?

no, I wasn't asking why you were questioning the claim, that's more than reasonable, I was wondering why the neighbour bit was the bit you found odd considering that it'd be impractical and risky to lie about the neighbourhood, and yet you didn't bring up the investigative, sorry if I didn't get that across well.

to answer your question, the neighbourhood is the periodic table, so it's players who are elements. I was originally hoping to not claim this in the hope of a scumslip but oh well.

as to why i panicked, well, someone thought they were counterclaiming me and it was like 10pm so i wasnt thinking straight. i panic at stupid shit in real life as well as mafia

[Mr Meeseeks]

Fire sheeping Meeseeks just makes me more confident on scum there
Java may be town

why did you ask me to claim and then make absolutely no comment about my claim?

[Mr Meeseeks]

and here we see shos, still not reading the fucking game

[Mr Meeseeks]

like i sincerely hope you are intentionally being as oblivious as possible because you have just been an utter ignoramus so far

like, read some context and youll realise thats not what kuroi was asking about

i panicked after i claimed because travel soft cced so i panicked when trying to convince them that it wasnt out of the question and did it in the least subtle way possible, rather than taking the time to think it over and telling them without letting everyone know what we were on about

[Mr Meeseeks]

do you ignore literally everything directed at you so you can continue blundering around this game?

do you want my life story as to why yttrium is my favourite element that i chose?

or will you just accept that "yttrium" is a funny word so its my favourite element (it became my favourite when i was like 11 so thats why its so shallow), and for me to lie about my role name of all things would be ass-backwards as all hell because seriously why the actual fuck

(also if you want my other choices they were alveoli and the doppler effect)

shos is basically giving off "im trying to think of reasons to keep voting you despite an investigative claims" vibes here, but at least hes actually paid them attention unlike cakes who tried his best to ignore it all

[Mr Meeseeks]

Why would you panic if you are what you claimed?
Even moreso that the claim is semo-confirmable?

holy shit dude

if youre town and you claim and someone soft ccs you but you know that they could be town despite soft ccing you but theyre widely townread so they could strongarm a lynch on you thats hardly fucking unreasonable to panic about

so rather than subtly trying to show them that we could easily both be town investigatives i sorta blurted it out because it was 11 fucking pm and i wasnt exactly thinking straight and i went "ah shit"

[Mr Meeseeks]

jeez shos maybe tone it down next time i nearly burst a vein

will not be voting fire unless its like minutes away from deadline and we cant get another lynch, because hes null and why would i vote null when i have several actual scumreads

[Mr Meeseeks]

actually current votecount is

Fire Assassin - 1 (Travelling Salesman)
Aneninen - 1 (GuyInFreezer)
chilledtea - 1 (MagnaOfIllusion)
KuroiXHF - 3 (Aneninen, Javajoe24)
Mr Meeseeks - 2 (KuroiXHF, SirCakez)
shos - 2 (SheldonCooper, Cabd)
SirCakez - 4 (chilledtea, Mr Meeseeks, Fire Assassin, shos)

[Mr Meeseeks]

I don’t like Mees’s claim for several reasons –

im yttrium, investigative neighbour

would rather not disclose the exact nature of either my investigative or who my neighbours are because the ones who need to know already know because theyre in the hood thank you very much

The fact that Mees specifically does not actually want to claim what their investigation power is I feel is more likely to come from scum than Town. It speaks to both not wanting to be actually pinned down to a specific claim and wanting to have wiggle room if he needs to later fabricate results.

i will happily claim tomorrow. i will not claim today. i will explain why tomorrow.

The Neighborhood claiming of other members really isn’t important but the lack of clarity on the claimed investigation role is.

I also don’t like the train of posts that starts with 460 by Salesmen and ends with 468 by Mees.

That span was total of 4 minutes start to finish. I don’t see that Mees suddenly went looking for a previous Antihero U-Pick, found the roles, and posted back in that time frame.

i did not do this. i already knew this game existed prior to even the start of this game. i am an alt, and was in some way involved in that game in a way in which i knew the roles.

plotinus can back me up here.

I say this because I looked for said game using Antihero’s threads list and it was buried well onto the second page. It took me well over 5 minutes to find the thread and find the roles list given the op was not updated.

It appears to me that Mees had the game ready to reference in the case of a claim which I think is more likely to come from scum than Town.

On the meta elements -

dont even act like multiple different investigative roles in an antihero UPick is out of the question

Strikes me as off for two reasons.

1. I have some reason to believe that active Powerroles in this game are outnumbered by Passive Power-roles. Specifically, roles like Cops, Doctors and others that have to actively make a choice are what I am calling Active while roles like plain Nieghbor and Bulletproof would be roles that are Passive since they don’t make a choice. So the likelihood of multiple Town investigative roles I find less likely given my suspicion on this point.

i literally already said. they had two watchers, a tracker, a flavour cop, and a modified gunsmith. since when are those "passive" roles"? sure, many of them had things holding them back, but i never said my role didnt

2. If we are using the Hitchcock Upick as meta evidence Mees’s role resembles scum roles from that game than Town roles.

Here’s the Mod provided role list - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7502294

Mafia had Blackmailing Ninja, Reflexive Neighborizor and Modified Commuter, and Modified Voyeur and Modified Commuter and Backup Ninja.

Town had Full Flip Enabler and Mass Vengeful Roleblocker, Ascetic Jailkeeper, and Neighborizing Vigilante. The rest of Town’s roles were single talent roles like Tracker.

While this isn’t damning in-and-of itself combined with my thoughts on active-power roles I don’t think it looks specifically great for Mees claim-wise.

considering that you just proved for me that there are no scum investigative roles, id say it actually looks pretty great tbh, and since that game didnt have a static neighbourhood you cant really make a fair comparison in that area of "multi-part" roles

[Mr Meeseeks]

actually, while im here, why no mention of cakes or his wagon in your recent posts? with him now being the wagon, i dont see why you seem to have looked past it while commenting on your opinions chilled, sheldon, fire, anenienieninen...

magna, what is your opinion on the cakes wagon, and what is it of what you think of cakes that has made you not want to vote him?

[Mr Meeseeks]

oh oops, my bad

but through showing off that game, im not suggesting there are

that

many in this game, im merely pointing out that its possible, if not likely, that there is more than one investigative role in this game. do you not agree?

[Mr Meeseeks]

considering that you just proved for me that there are no scum investigative roles, id say it actually looks pretty great tbh, and since that game didnt have a static neighbourhood you cant really make a fair comparison in that area of "multi-part" roles

Um that game and this game are completely different so your attempting to peddle "That game didn't have Scum Investigative roles so I'm great" is either scummy or stupid.

And given that we clearly have a completely different set-up this game I don't know why you insist that one element of the set-up supports you while another can't be judged as apples to apples.

I mean - my analysis isn't damning just because we are in a different set-up and 1 game is hardly the sample size to make suggestions about what makes sense but I see things from my perspective very different than you are and that gives me concern you can certainly be a scum PR hoping to skate on an generic investigative claim.

i wasnt peddling it, hell i agree its a silly argument, its just i was pointing out that you were incredibly wrong by saying that my claim of all claims is actually indicative of scum

and i guess but when the setup is the same style of setup by the same mod, its not unfair to go "that game had more than one town investigative, why cant this?"

trust me, my role is not "generic" as you will see when i fullclaim, but i will

not

claim today. claiming tomorrow is fine, i dont mind. claiming today? that has a very high chance of messing up my role.

[Mr Meeseeks]

He's dying either way

?

[Mr Meeseeks]

actually, while im here, why no mention of cakes or his wagon in your recent posts? with him now being the wagon, i dont see why you seem to have looked past it while commenting on your opinions chilled, sheldon, fire, anenienieninen...

magna, what is your opinion on the cakes wagon, and what is it of what you think of cakes that has made you not want to vote him?

I am Null reading Cakez. I'm not lynching him over a player I actively read as scum unless it is a last second vote to prevent a No Lynch.

I think the timing of the Cakez wagon means he's less likely scum personally. My recent Fire and Ice experience with obv-scum ProjectMatt being at L-1 for most of the day and me as VT catching a last minute wagon to be lynched supports the general assertion.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=66176 if you are interested in looking.

That said I have seen a Cakez last minute wagon hit him as scum in Soccer Spirits Mafia. Not sure how closely the situation tracks as Cakez was to my eye much less active that game and it was late in a Large Game as opposed to Day 1 of a Mini here.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65649 if you are interested in looking there too.

gotcha

[Mr Meeseeks]

mathematically speaking, there is a 45% chance of there being no scum in a three-player neighbourhood (59% in a two player, 35% in a four player), so ehh on your comment statistically

realistically... idk. i feel with it being something like "are you an element" its likely to be more random than usual and as a general rule i try to avoid concentrating on stuff like that. id always much rather read a player based on their play (or solid role truths like results or more solid spec of "would this role realistically be in this game"), rather than stuff like "theres a decent chance of scum in these three players so lets focus on them more".

so basically any reads i have are independent of the neighbourhood and the likelihood of any players in it being scum

[Mr Meeseeks]

cool

...

my reads are still independent of the neighbourhood

id much rather trust my own intuitions on scumreads than pay less attention to 10 of the players because there may be a higher chance of scum being in the neighbourhood

[Mr Meeseeks]

i mean id be okay with shos

but (a) cakes is a stronger scumread and (b) a cakes lynch is more achievable with the deadline so close

ive said this before but i thought id reiterate it considering your concerns

[Mr Meeseeks]

Yeah mostly this was an exercise to see what Mees's response would be.

Town is much more likely to be thinking about the possibility pro-actively, especially if they are both a Neighbor and a PR.

Mees's response is a tap-dance that isn't doing that IMO.

i dont want to out my neighbour/neighbours

with all information considered (including this), cakes is still my strongest scumread and the lynch candidate i endorse most strongly

[Mr Meeseeks]

exactly

i scumread you independent of the hood because of your behaviours

you being in da hood is merely the icing on the scumcake

[Mr Meeseeks]

i mean i was trying to avoid confirmation bias from stuff such as the neighbourhood clouding my vision but whatever, feel free

for the record, if there is scum in the neighbourhood, i strongly doubt that it is the ~~other person~~ because i believe them to be town

[Mr Meeseeks]

with all information considered (including this), cakes is still my strongest scumread and the lynch candidate i endorse most strongly

Yeah and you are ignoring the big fat elephant in the room -

You and several others have pointed to how hard it is to get a Shos lynch going. The implication - he's scum.

Yet creating a Cakez wagon right near deadline has been pretty easy. Which implies Town. But you are not even thinking about that.

this is the exact same logic ploti used to imply im scum so basically that can piss off

pedit nah, if you want to kill shos you can do it with your vengeful thank you very much

[Mr Meeseeks]

in light of sircakes claiming vengeful, i still want to lynch him. i am pretty damn confident here.

[Mr Meeseeks]

antihero literally says in his ruleset not to expect extensions

so dont mind me while i dont expect an extension

[Mr Meeseeks]

VOTE: sircakez
Meseeks has withstood the pressure convincingly. Id rather test his claim than lynch him now.

wow thats a weird way of not voting you

[Mr Meeseeks]

So we've had two claims at no-where near L-1 ...

actually, we have a double voter and cakes was at 5 votes when the amount needed to lynch was 7

[Mr Meeseeks]

and in my case, i explained plenty i am pretty confident my claim was timed perfectly

[Mr Meeseeks]

i have a decent plan actually, will discuss with cakes in pt

pedit point still stands, technically speaking he could be considered at l-1, and is definitely not "nowhere near l-1" like you hyperbolised

[Mr Meeseeks]

no-where near L-1 ...

like seriously, l-2 isnt this anyway, nevermind with a double voter on the loose

[Mr Meeseeks]

third neighbour is javajoe

thats why i think hes town, because double voter is still leaning me on the town side

[Mr Meeseeks]

not when this close to deadline and things get shat up, its better to claim early

by the way did i say we should lynch cakes

[Mr Meeseeks]

(although not yet were discussing a plan sorta thing in the pt and i would like to know whether or not it is possible and then lynch)

[Mr Meeseeks]

yeah

antihero could we please have extra time due to the extended time taking to get this replacement this close to deadline? thanks

[Mr Meeseeks]

Wtf 3 more pages

Ill read up soon. Meanwhile: meseeks, in order to not reveal whether or not im in it, please tell everyone whether or not the neighbourhood is open only in nights or both day and night.

Damn Im good

uhh...whether or not youre in it? both phases, but still

Also meeseeks, could you please tell us the flavor of your onvestigation ability? Because my action(may be actions) fit(s) really good with the flavor. Science and all.
I get carbon dating and all, but ive never heard of any use of Y apart from forming t2-superconducting films.

ive considered it, but i honestly think it would raise questions to the point where i would end up just fullclaiming and i dont wanna do that because its a name that manages to both give away a lot but also potentially give some wrong ideas

sorry

is the concern that ill change my claim? because i reckon i can give you the first two initials of the action so that i have a "locked in answer" so to speak

[Mr Meeseeks]

Where did you get that number?

10 scum and 3 town, so each player has a 10/13 chance of not being scum. (10/13)x(10/13)x(10/13) = (10/13)³ = 0.4551661356, or 45.5% which is therefore the chance of zero players being scum within a set of three players

[Mr Meeseeks]

of course that is assuming the selection process of who is in each neighbourhood being wholly random (which naturally it is not) but it gets across a large part of the reason why im not that deadset on scum 100% being in the neighbourhood

[Mr Meeseeks]

shos, im sorry, but i utterly refuse to claim until tomorrow. claiming now would entirely fuck up my action. sure, i could claim the name, but i also believe that could cause some serious issues as well as prying questioning until i just end up revealing my role so im gonna just avoid that slippery slope like all hell

like, how does francium fit the flavour of the action? how does francium tell you what it is when you poke it? how does francium kill you when you attack it?

okay, the second part makes sense, francium reacts badly with water so "blowing up in your face" whatever, but that is no less plausible than some attribute, even an obscure one, of yttrium being in some way able to investigate roles/alignments/actions

if it really concerns you that much, ill say that the first two intials of the action are "br" so that when i claim tomorrow (which i fucking will so calm your panties and stop being so impatient) you can look back and go "wow"

but i will stand my ground here and say absolutely no more, because i have literally had so many little bits and bobs of my role that i intially didnt want to claim fucking pulled out of me and im sick of it

claiming my action name will not be enough for you and youll go "WOW THAT MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE" and pry my entire fucking role out of me so would you kindly stop

[Mr Meeseeks]

i dont honestly feel that claiming the name of my action would make my claim more valid. i believe it would give scum some info from which to try and guess the role

so, uh, nopeeeeeeeeeee

also, confirmation of role is never confirmation of alignment, so you unvoting cakes because you "believe his role" is odd, especially just after hes said hes considering vengeful shooting you

[Mr Meeseeks]

Should be 10*9*8/13*12*11 then, which is roughly 27/64 or 42%

wow youre right

an entire 3.5% off that entirely changes the point of my argument

wait a second

it fucking doesnt

[Mr Meeseeks]

no piss off

im standing my ground

[Mr Meeseeks]

like shos, i have given you more than enough fucking information about my role and i will literally tell you the entire fucking thing tomorrow so then you can fucking decide whether it "fits with the flavour" and shit

so grow up and learn to be fucking patient

[Mr Meeseeks]

There literally is nothing that fits of Yttrium

thats what people (well, kuroi) said when i claimed i was a neighbour

pedit you know what, fuckit, i concur

VOTE: shos

shos has just behaved full awful over the last few pages while cakes hasnt done anything bad since his claim

id like to give cakes a chance to live

l-2

[Mr Meeseeks]

my role fits the ability.

but you dont know my ability

sorry, you know its "investigative"

that could mean one of a billion things

so you cant really comment on whether it fits or not

[Mr Meeseeks]

shos has just behaved full awful over the last few pages while cakes hasnt done anything bad since his claim

id like to give cakes a chance to live

This is scum. Look at the total lack of logic here - Mees has been calling for Cakez head all day long. Yet his excuse for unvoting him - he hasn't done anything bad since his claim which was a few hours ago. Shows he isn't honestly scum-hunting. Looks very much like scum looking to force another claim while not making a credible one himself.

VOTE: Mees

if i am scum who wanted to kill shos, i could have continued my cakes lynch, as cakes would likely have killed shos with the vengeful, so i would have got both cakes and shos in one go

it makes little sense

also, ive been calling for shos for a while as well. like, a very long while before switching on to cakes.
a fairly convincing claim and a generally more towny attitude does a lot to help me find someone more town than before.
questioning way more into a role than is necessary does a lot to help me find someone scummier than before

i still think theres a decent chance cakes is scum, i never said otherwise

but i am now way more certain of shos

and i dont want a claim, frankly id love for someone to just hammer him right fucking now

[Mr Meeseeks]

a fairly convincing claim and a generally more towny attitude does a lot to help me find someone more town than before.

[Mr Meeseeks]

i was always scumreading shos, like for ages, and have always mentioned it that he was my secondary scumread

shos behaves super scummy for a while, cakes behaves rather townie for a while

it makes perfect damn sense to unvote one and vote the other

[Mr Meeseeks]

an element for CRT screens

man, this isnt what it is, but it is absolutely hilarious how you say this and say theres no possiblity for investigative

like what

[Mr Meeseeks]

im talking stuff like cakes making this post

fyi I am starting to develop a townread on Meeseeks based from his claim and behavior towards me post-claim
I would now prefer a Vengekill on Fire

or Shos

and then in shos very next post...

UNVOTE:

then theres the painful and unecessary questioning into my role when ive given him plenty and literally said i will claim tomorrow

not to mention how shos seemed perfectly satisfied after my initial claim

VOTE: sircakez
Meseeks has withstood the pressure convincingly. Id rather test his claim than lynch him now.

but no,

now

it isnt enough for him

hes been a little lower than cakes in my scumlist, but this last segment has just booted him up to above

i fail to see how that is in any way unreasonable or unbelievable

[Mr Meeseeks]

Whoop! Superquick wagon of 6 votes!

yeah, you cant use this defence after there has been next to no wagon on you for the majority of the day despite a large amount of suspicion

[Mr Meeseeks]

Stop taking things out of context. When I unvoted you I still asked you two more questions, one of which you still havent answered.

which two questions? i am like 90% sure i answered all the questions

And the there-wasnt-a-wagon-on-me argument can be made on like half the game you know. That doesnt make a lightning fast L-1 wagon any less scum-lead.

scum-lead? you mean youre scumreading cakes and travelling? because they lead your wagon

also, seriously, you are intentionally ignoring possibilities to push your agenda, which is scummy as all hell

you were like "OH NO WAY COULD THIS DUDE BE INVESTIGATIVE NOT EVER NO" while saying that you found out that yttrium was used in ct scans where they scan your brain how does that not make sense as investigative

Also if it matters I cannot be vengekilled unless it is strongman.

and in that case, what was the catalyst that made you unvote cakes? i mean he hadnt done anything special in between your last post and your unvote, he had just said hed vengekill you or fire, hed already done all the claiming and shit when he was done

[Mr Meeseeks]

But you're clearly an element.

Cake, Meeseeks, are you all in the same neighborhood?

is he? hes talking about my element

me and cakes and javajoe are in the same neighbourhood, yes

[Mr Meeseeks]

but seriously, shos is prying waaayyyyy too much into a claim that i will literally fucking claim tomorrow and i have made it pretty damn clear i dont want revealed

shos is being scummy as fuck

he has spent half this game clearly not reading it and generally paying as little attention as possible and blundering around like an idiot

shos town does that sometimes, but not to this extent. he is faking it. please lynch.

[Mr Meeseeks]

no hes saying my role cant be investigative because he looked at the first paragraph of a wiki page and decided there was nothing in it

like seriously shos

as scum, do you really think id claim something with a thing that i couldnt explain? do you think id really come up with something and a vague action for it

that i promised id claim in a certain length of time

that "made no sense"

or maybe i genuinely am trying to keep my role secret because letting people know would fuck it up

seriously, "investigative" was chosen as vaguely as possible for a reason. i never specified role or alignment or action investigative, nevermind the incredibly awesome and cool roles ideas that antihero can come up with for something

so what makes you think you can honestly wipe out every single possibility

[Mr Meeseeks]

Meseeks the question your efuse to answer is the flavor.

aactually

you asked me that question in post 569

but you unvoted me in post [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8009766]491[/post]

so uh nope

[Mr Meeseeks]

also when i claim tomorrow i will be happy to provide a series of wikipedia links to support my claim c:

[Mr Meeseeks]

also when i claim tomorrow i will be happy to provide a series of wikipedia links to support my claim c:

Someone knows they aren't going to be the target of the Mafia Nightkill ...

because partners don't shoot each other.

no because half the fucking game is scumreading me you dolt

[Mr Meeseeks]

like even everyone voting shos or whoever has said im scummy or whatever

if i get nightkilled i will honestly be surprised

[Mr Meeseeks]

ah yes its not like anyone else who is also more townread than me has claimed investigative no nononononono nono

also, im not sure sure, but as a general rule i tend to play as if i will survive until the next day because probability states i will. what happens if i think im going to die tonight? nothing. i will play exactly the same. so, uh, nope!

i will also ignore that personal attack thank you very much, i am not a jerk on this or my main and i am a very nice person to people who dont say stupid things, so leave my personality out of this

[Mr Meeseeks]

What I do see is a post every day pretty much consecutively for most of the game.

i think this is the part to focus on shos

for the entire game, youve been "active" and "here", but contributed little

thats the point kuroi is making

[Mr Meeseeks]

this

ah yes its not like anyone else who is also more townread than me has claimed investigative no nononononono nono

also, im not sure sure, but as a general rule i tend to play as if i will survive until the next day because probability states i will. what happens if i think im going to die tonight? nothing. i will play exactly the same. so, uh, nope!

i will also ignore that personal attack thank you very much, i am not a jerk on this or my main and i am a very nice person to people who dont say stupid things, so leave my personality out of this

was in response to this for the record

no because half the fucking game is scumreading me you dolt

Oh but you are claiming an awesome and powerful Town Investigative role that you are keeping secret because it would not work otherwise ...

The Mafia couldn't possibly avoid killing your awesome role and if you are as scum-read as you claim Town protective roles will not protect you.

Yet you are sure you make it to Day 2.

Also - you are just as much a jerk in this pointless alt as your main so probably don't bother alting it doesn't help you.

[Mr Meeseeks]

also when i claim tomorrow i will be happy to provide a series of wikipedia links to support my claim c:

Someone knows they aren't going to be the target of the Mafia Nightkill ...

because partners don't shoot each other.

but seriously what should i do, end every single one of my posts like this with "IF I SURVIVEE", making literally no difference?

this is a weak-ass nitpick and you know it

going to sleep now, with all luck ill wake up and shos will have been lynched

[Mr Meeseeks]

really though magna id appreciate it if you didnt call me a jerk as a person, this is a game and within it i very much play an exaggerated persona, hell just look at my mains non-game posts and youll see this isnt me

i dont actually think youre an idiot (hell, i use "dolt" as more of a joke than serious offensive insult, like I would use "silly sod" or "lucky git"), i was just saying that your posting style seems to indicate you dont fully think about what you say before you say it and as such comes off s a bit stupid, for lack of a more eloquent word. it was at your post, not you.

i would really prefer not to have to deal with literal, actual directed-at-the-person character attacks like calling me a jerk regardless of my account because that can genuinely upset me

thanks

actual sleep now

[Mr Meeseeks]

census taker typically takes note of the number of players of each alignment still alive at the time the census is taken

however, considering that the number of town:scum own is already known, it is likely to be something else.

regardless, a census taker is a role that gets told the number of living players who satisfy a certain condition. chances are he was told what, otherwise the role is quite literally useless

im on my tablet rn because its early in the morning so i dont have the typing dexterity to full claim right now but ill be ready to do it in less than an hour so have some patience

[Mr Meeseeks]

claim post coming, brace yourself

the important bits (ie the actual role) will be in bold, so if you dont care about all the flavour behind it and my reasons for withholding my claim until today then you can just skim over that

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Mr Meeseeks]

i am

yttrium, beta radiation cop, neighbour

(see the "beta radiation" bit? thats the "br" i claimed yesterday)

ive already claimed the neighbour flavour, elements of the periodic table, so thats easy

now i have to explain the "beta radiation cop" bit and exactly what it does. great fun.

first, let me explain something briefly - while my role is yttrium, my flavour and role refers to a specific isotope of yttrium, that is

yttrium-90

, a radioactive isotope that undergoes beta decay.

one night, i may target one player. this player will be dosed with yttrium-90. this will make them test positive for beta radiation. on following nights, i may target any player to investigate for beta radiation. players who have targeted or been targeted by any other player who is positive for beta radiation will also test positive.

hopefully the reason why i withheld my claim becomes immediately apparent; my action on the first night (the yttrium dosing) is extremely important and one-shot, and theres nothing i can do to fix it if i fuck it up, which would be all too easy to do if scum knew my role. whereas now, its fine, because the key action has been done and theres nothing much scum can do from now on without knowing who i dosed (

something which i am not claiming right now, but i can confirm it wasnt magnaofillusion

).

Spoiler: action priorities

if you want to know the exact order of how things come along, the spreading of the beta radiation comes before the investigation, but they both seem to be basically the last actions that occur. for example

night 1:
player b targets player a with something
i dose player a with yttrium-90

here, player b has not received any beta radiation and would not test positive on any following nights unless any further interactions. this was an issue because it meant my original plan (target someone who would be nightkilled n1, and then anyone testing negative could not have performed it) would not have worked.

night 2:
player a (already having been dosed) targetes player c
i investigate player c

here, however, i would get a positive result on player c for containing beta radiation. hopefully this gives you an idea of the priorities of the role

as i said, the exact flavour of the role is yttrium-90, and all flavour refers to that.

the text referring to the action is about the specific use of yttrium-90 to treat hepatocellular carcinoma, and while there are no details about it on yttrium-90s wikipedia page, you can see it referred to on this section of yttriums main wikipedia article. however, when it comes to how the actual role works, this isnt quite it.

the roles actual power is likely to be referring to the use of sources of radiation (in this case, beta) as radioactive tracers - used to trace the paths of reactions usually within the human body as the radioactivity can be tracked from outside the body. while yttrium-90 isnt mentioned on this particular wiki page, this is the most accurate thing i can find in terms of the roles flavour and use - putting a radioactive source in a specific place and tracking where it goes

so yeah, thats my claim. its honestly not that good an investigative especially considering the priorities, and i was hoping that my claim would draw a nightkill. alas.

[Mr Meeseeks]

...i think thats everything i promised to claim. that took way too much effort. oh well.

[Mr Meeseeks]

Meseeks.
Is that all you did last Night?

yes, i dosed [redacted] with yttrium-90 and that was my only action

[Mr Meeseeks]

...Why did you feel the need to claim?

i already claimed "investigative" yesterday due to the wagon building, as i was the most popular wagon near to deadline, so i used my initiative and claimed. considering how the wagons went, if i hadnt, id have probably been lynched. however, i refused to claim any further so that my initial action wasnt compromised.

i promised at the time to full claim the following day to get people harrassing me to fully claim off my back. since, now, the important part of my action is over with and theres little scum can do, i am more than fine with claiming, and i keep my promises.

i feel like you not knowing why i felt the need to claim seems to imply that you missed the entire last day

[Mr Meeseeks]

all the heat went off me literally because i softclaimed, so implicitly in preparation for my fullclaim

look at everyones unvotes from me yesterday - the vast majority are "claim" and "well wont get a wagon on him now then"

of course im going to claim, duh

i cant help but feel if id gone "i change my mind im not going to fullclaim despite that being the only real reason i wasnt lynched yesterday and me promised it" that youd have a much larger issue with that, no?

also

it seems meant to make people not want to vote you.

no shit?

[Mr Meeseeks]

....exactly?

so if im still scummy, surely the thing to do is to follow up on my promises and claim like i said i would????

im really not getting why youre finding me claiming even slightly scummy

[Mr Meeseeks]

It's only until we decided to lynch Shos that we jumped off.

also this is literally wrong so many of you unvoted me well before voting shos

even you, you voted cakes before voting me

so honestly this is genuinely lies

[Mr Meeseeks]

You know, I knew the last vote count from Antihero wasn't accurate, but I didn't know why I didn't just make a non-official one.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SirCakez

Today needs to be done and over.

this is where you unvoted me for the first time

[Mr Meeseeks]

People already scum-read you.

exactly

It's a brand new day on Day Two.

yes, because noone ever votes someone because they were scummy yesterday

No one is voting you.

travelling salesman is

You fully claim with no pressure on you.

again, salesman is, and i literally fucking promised to claim, of course im fucking gonna. wtf?

Town focus more on scum hunting.

Scum just care about not being voted out.

...but not being voted out is important for town too

Your hope is that people will buy your claim so that you aren't voted.

no shit sherlock

Your actions align more with scum behavior than town.

so... town wouldnt claim at the start of the next day even though theyd literally promised to claim at the start of the next day? the fuck are you on?

Preview Edit: I jumped off you because it looked like we were going to lynch Cakez. More people believed you already, and we were running out of time. I didn't town read Cakez so I was fine with it.

but you just said everyone (in fact using the word "we" so including you) unvoted me to vote shos, so youre wrong, you get me?

fuck this
VOTE: kuroi

[Mr Meeseeks]

"guys im claiming investigative dont lynch me ill claim tomorrow"
"okay"
"okay its tomorrow ill fullclaim like i promised"
"lol scum"

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[Mr Meeseeks]

like i am just voting you because youve just come up with the stupidest damn reason to scumread me and i am genuinely baffled how anyone would come to that conclusion in any sort of natural way

do you know what youd be doing right now if i hadnt claimed? youd be voting me for not claiming when i said i would, as would half the game

so piss off

[Mr Meeseeks]

i am scumread by a lot of the game still, and i promised to claim yesterday after doing my half-claim and a lot of people unvoted me in light of that but with the knowledge that id promised to claim tomorrow

it utterly baffles me as to how you could find that weird or scummy or unnatural in any damn way

like what? what??? what what what?????

i have never been left so utterly bemused by someones thoughts before

[Mr Meeseeks]

please tell me im not alone here, someone agree with me that kurois logic here utterly, hilariously idiotic

because if not i think i might actually be going insane

[Mr Meeseeks]

im sorry, i claim once and that makes me have no interest in scumhunting? you can do, you know, other stuff while scumhunting

like look at my whole iso of yesterday besides that relentless bullshit with shos, i have scumhunted plenty, thank you very much

its ridiculous to have you on my ass because i dared for one minute to claim (like i promised!) rather than scumhunt all day every day

in fact, in our neighbourhood, i was the only one who asked anyone any questions about reads and stuff last night, so dont you dare say ive done no scumreading

for example, cakes explained his read on me changing because initially he thought my semi-claim but refusing to actually claim was scummy but then when i started to hint at more reasons he started townreading more

and javajoe said within the thread that if there was scum in our neighbourhood he thought it was cakes - and i asked him why, and he still hasnt given an answer

pet hate: people saying im not scumhunting when reading even a little would prove the opposite

now, are you satisfied?

[Mr Meeseeks]

Nothing in your last post was evidence of you scum hunting. You saying you scum hunted isn't scum hunting. There's also no correlation between claiming and scum hunting.

oh shit, i made a few posts without scumhunting. big fucking deal?? you honestly voted me for daring to make a single post where i didnt scumhunt? like shit dude, thats a little ridiculous

also, cakes can back me up with what i said

Even if you were scum hunting, all of it would be for naught because you're voting for someone because you're frustrated with them.

no im voting you for having a scumread which seems ultimately artificial and fake because i dont think its a rational chain of thought for anyone to take

im potentially going to vote javajoe in a couple of days but i feel there needs to be a bit more pressure on you for now, and this vote may continue

do you know what its called when you put pressure on someone and question them? scumhunting

so, why are you voting aneninen?

[Mr Meeseeks]

Meeseeks, so it's like a motion detector with a ripple effect kind of? more useful early game than late game when most people will test positive? how much of this role did you claim in the neighbourhood? I agree that kuroi is probably scumreading you for the wrong reasons but that's what mafia's like.

i claimed none of it in the neighbourhood (although the plan i was discussing with sircakes was that if he was lynched and town and still worried about me he could say in his last post he still wasnt sure if i were scum, and then after he flipped i would claim fully in the neighbourhood and he could then make a more informed vengeful decision)

[Mr Meeseeks]

Cakes, can you go into more details about the nature of the lacklustre neighbourhood posting?

basiclly what i said earlier
he popped in for a single post, to say he was surprised that shos was scum (with not even the slightest bit of emotion so it looked a tad ungenuine) and that if there was scum in the hood he had his bet on cakes (and didnt say anything when i asked him about it)

[Mr Meeseeks]

oh, i was just talking about all the posts he made last night

his other posts in order were along the lines of:

claiming element, asking others their elements
asking if it were just him and cakes in the neighbourhood (at this point i hadnt actually noticed the pt link in my pm)
responding to cakes refusing to claim his element
asking cakes if he is scum
an onomatopoeia typical to thinking
asking my element
making a silly pun about the way i refused to claim (which almost seemed like trying to dig into a crumb? ask me if you want me to explain)
saying that he was being sarcastic in the last post
saying i had a good idea in saying we shouldnt claim what flavour the neighbuorhood was when we claim
saying that the elements have little relevance to a claim so its not a big deal for cakes to claim element (4th june)
the post last night (17th june)

pedit

m accusing you of not scum hunting since the beginning of the game.

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ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

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[Mr Meeseeks]

I am assuming that there is 1 scum in a 4 person neighbourhood.

its a 3 person neighbourhood

[Mr Meeseeks]

Spoiler: welcome my friends to view the scumhunting i "havent done"

she'd choose frogs as her role...

shit i didnt know you were married to deathrowkitty

Ok, so you guys know, I am a double voter. I hinted at it earlier and that's the reason I unvoted after my first vote.

oh yay claims already :/ i mean i understand but ehh, double voter is something i prefer people to keep secret, but you can go as a townlean for now i guess

I don't like the fact that Sheldon and shos voted magna right after I did simply to prove my double vote. After the next vote count my vote is going on one of you two

eh? i dont see whats alignment indicative about them doing that...

uh-oh

seems like we got scum!
VOTE: Java

wut

“Hey look – I’ll try to both peddle that MoI is somehow both doubting the claim and putting too much faith in it at the same time.”

oh look misrepresenting someone who happens to be voting you what a coincidence

VOTE: Cabd

woahwoahwoah so you feel that sheldon made a contradiction in voting you and stuff etc but you instead voted cabd for... some reason? calling someone scummy and then not voting someone while voting someone with little reason is a pretty nice tell, thanks for that!

VOTE: magnaofillusion

Javajoe is most likely likely town as well for their approach to the claim, as well as to an extent their role being likely town.

Everyone else is null at this point except for MoI who I am scumreading because their approach to the Java claim didn't feel at all like actual scumhunting

Scum. Scum desperately trying to justify a scum read on me for the exact same conclusion I drew.

I voted MoI following 56

because I was super sketched about about his willingness to consider a proven doublevote confirmed town

as well as his inclination to not believe an extremely easily disprovable claim.

Here is the initial reasoning on why I am scum. The bolded is the important part.

1. 56 never says anything about Java being “Confirmed Town”. It simply says I could sort him as Town for his role. So a misrep.
2. He comes to that same analysis on Java as quoted above. He's now couching his read on "it doesn't feel like real scum-hunting" which is means ... he can't actually justify his stance and has to throw empty words.

That and he ignores the whole back and forth I had with Travelling that explains exactly my thought process.

VOTE: Sheldon

Or Shotty.

yeah i like this for scum - he had already given plenty of reason to vote sheldon cooper, but he "had" to come up with this extra logical leap to fully justify voting, and something about this feels unnatural

Haven't completed reading yet but we have got our scum.

VOTE : SirCakez

has everyone this game forgotten how reasons work

So my first topic discussion I want us all to discuss what were your choices that Antihero didn't pick?

I am still in support of my RVS vote, and we need a wagon.
So I suggest everyone condense onto my vote.
Please and thank you from your friendly neighborhood assassin.

I didn't like these two posts. First one is a bizarre question that accomplishes nothing and the second is pushing an unexplained RVS wagon because ???

first one, shit dude, you complain about a useless post in post number seven??? while not even commenting on all of the arguably more useless science discussion that extended to the third page? sheesh. second one, uhh, "we need a wagon", he wants a wagon to form so he can analyse it, so theres a clear reason so you cant say "because ???", second scum with magna that would be cool

mr. image format

who

VOTE: Mr Meeseeks

do tell me why you made a big catchup and focused on several players who werent me and then voted me anyway?

VOTE: Mr Meeseeks

do tell me why you made a big catchup and focused on several players who werent me and then voted me anyway?

for this reaction, of course, which justifies the vote

"a big catchup", lol, that's 2 posts.

for... the reaction? you voted for something i hadnt done yet? i didnt realise you could warp the fabric of spacetime, golly gosh

I mean, from the perspective of hypothetical town you, I'm the one faking a guilty on you right now. But you're right that your chance of lynching any of them is greater than your chance of lynching me.

at least your case has

some

substance though - it is a meta case which, while i am unaware of the exact content, i know exists and i know it existed prior to this game so at least you havent made it up on the spot, and while im kinda peeved that youre still pushing it when im an alt intended to play differently at least it came from somewhere and that is probably the main reason for me not doing the thing what makes me town, although i am worried by the fact that your most recent post is the first one in a while that didnt entirely focus on me

shos has his godawful case which makes no sense, magnaofillusion did some weird shit in regards to sheldon, and cakes is just worrying me. what reason do i have to be suspicious of you beside a mysterious meta case? its a better reason than a naked vote followed by "well your reaction was... overreacting to a naked vote despite not really doing that much"

idgaf that youre voting me, im not gonna push you when you havent done anything that scummy

i guess but by playing like this i imagine i am making various unconscious changes to my play (while im not consciously changing a particular aspect, the playstyle is definitely different i think) - all im saying is that your meta read has a 12% chance of being inaccurate at the best of times, nevermind when im intentionally playing differently as an alt (plus with exams on im gonna be playing different)

as for cakez

So my first topic discussion I want us all to discuss what were your choices that Antihero didn't pick?

I am still in support of my RVS vote, and we need a wagon.
So I suggest everyone condense onto my vote.
Please and thank you from your friendly neighborhood assassin.

I didn't like these two posts. First one is a bizarre question that accomplishes nothing and the second is pushing an unexplained RVS wagon because ???

first one, shit dude, you complain about a useless post in post number seven??? while not even commenting on all of the arguably more useless science discussion that extended to the third page? sheesh. second one, uhh, "we need a wagon", he wants a wagon to form so he can analyse it, so theres a clear reason so you cant say "because ???", second scum with magna that would be cool

this one speaks for itself

oh sure why dont i fucking let everyone know who this is an alt of

whats the fucking point, holy shit like why do i even need to prove this like seriously

You wanted to avoid being read for meta and you did things that would make you virtually confscum on your main

and you expect me to townread and/or ignore it? please.

is the best quote i could find without giving away entirely who i am

now back the fuck off and stop doubting me, why the piss would i lie about something so disprovable?

here he was asking a weird and utterly pointless question which seems bizarre and wasteful, like hes trying to look useful when not really doing, you know, that much

not much but theres a reason hes the weaker of my three scumreads

1) Cakes didn't complain that Fire Assassin's 7 was useless. He complained that it was a bizarre question which accomplishes nothing. RQS is worse than RVS because scum can datamine it more effectively than town can, but the question didn't bother me terribly much because we sent in science things that we liked rather than trying for any specific role, but I think that even if someone sent in, I dunno *wanders off to wikipedia*, projectile motion, ballistics, vaporific effect, that antihero wouldn't necessarily make them a vig. So, I ignored it rather than pushed on him for it. It was a bizarre question that accomplished nothing, but it could've led to outguessing the mod or at least outguessing what kind of roles everybody was trying for, whether they got it or not.

oh wow, technicalities. he was clearly complaining about someone "accomplishing nothing". those are the exact words. so why he was complaining about that and not the other tons of fluff at the start is beyond me!

2) The science discussion that you took part in. There's nothing wrong with some banter and enjoying the flavour at the start of a game.

irrelevant. it was fluff, and for that to be ignored over complaining aboyt a question is silly

3) Why does Fire Assassin cling to his 1-vote RVS wagon on GIF instead of joining the 2-vote wagon on shos? If his reasoning is that we need a wagon, why is a 1-vote vanity wagon better than a larger wagon? If he wants an RVS wagon, why doesn't he join a larger one since nobody cares about his RVS vote on GIF? Why are you defending Fire Assassin from Cakes here?

becaues... he disagrees with the shos wagon? not that hard to figure out, when he "wants a wagon" obviously he wasnt it on someone he doesnt think is town... im not defending fire, im criticising cakez for clearly not thinking about what he says before painting someone as bad for doing it

4) Cakes' question about whether you could provide citations for having been pushed by scum for meta was wasteful? What, was he going to run out of questions?

waste of my time, to have to go into a game and try and find a relevant post which didnt contain my mains nick because, shock horror, a discussion involving metaing my main contained my mains username a lot surprisingly enough

5) The question he asked you was one you could answer without outing yourself because it was from the other game you played on this account. If you say something in a game of mafia, people are going to ask you to provide citations. This isn't scummy.

but it was pointless, it was hardly like i was going to lie about it ffs

This post pings me a lot. There's OMGUS, overreacting, and his progression of reads is just who's pushed on him and me.

oh good "omgus" as a buzzword

i hate the overuse of omgus - omgus is literally "you voted me so ill vote you", not "i have a good reason for voting you and you are also voting me". overreacting? i havent even gone all caps yet which i did several times in my previous game. your description of my weird "progression of reads" ...i dont get what you mean?

I don't understand the second quote/reason here at all.

well i explained it plenty well so frankly that isnt my problem at this point

This reminded me, I'm still waiting for an answer to this Meeseeks.

learn to read my posts before throwing anything and everything that you can at me and youll see i already answered that

you can still rely on more generic scumtells

and you disagree that using "generic scumtells" for something with so many varied reactions such as nakedly voting someone isnt a bit dodgy?

@shos: have you noticed that scum are more likely to do that than town? I thought that thinking of a better thing to say half an hour after the conversation has ended was a fairly universal human experience. I remember going back a month later and telling somebody "zipper" because I'd forgotten the word the last time we interacted but by then they'd forgotten the initial conversation.

Not necessarily, but for this thing specifically, yes.

Town don't go take a shower and come back "oh I said this because ehehehehe".
I'm not sure I'm buying this entire "switched to alt" thingie.

the "switched to alt" was litearlly 3 minutes difference, because i logged off, go "wait shit" and then logged back on. you can say its not a town view, but in all honesty i think its just a person-by-person thing, my brain just works like this because it is weird. sometimes ill make a post and half an hour later realised i missed a bit off that i should have said. its better than me just not saying it at all, no?

I know I said the opposite before, but now I don't think Meeseeks would be a good lynch.

why

Mr Meeseeks - 2 (Travelling Salesman, shos)

uhh... what? cakez isnt voting me? that makes... little sense. just look at his iso, hes spent wayyyyy more time focusing on me than fire assassin, his current vote. like, hes had one or two sentences about him, ive had entire posts dedicated to me. hm.

I mostly skimmed the walls, it's uninteresting.

but the fact that you have missed that (a) i am just an alt and (b) traveling salesman is a hydra with plotinus in is a brand new level of incompetence that i find stunning, and tells me you have barely even been reading the game. like, at all.

How your reads all just seem to be based on who's pushing you.

thats not omgus, like i said, omgus is "omg u voted me voteeeee", ive given plenty of genuine reasons so nah, its not my fault that most players who have voted me have given shitty reasons. also, wheres my scumread of salesman? ive basically put them as nulltown ffs

Meeseeks nullscum

ahahaha what? nullscum? after all youve said about me, im fucking

nullscum

? that just seems... wrong.

He didn't say anything about disagreeing with shos wagon tho.

...but him supporting a rivaling wagon is a pretty clear indication that he disagrees with it though. subtext, reading between the lines, as irritating as i find it when people dont state reads its pretty obviously implied when he does something like that. come on.

Considering you remembered it so well, it shouldn't have been hard to find.

i made like 325 posts in that game so it was hardly an easy search

How is this scummy?

im 90% sure i already explained this, but its asking questions to appear like youre doing something or thinking critically while actually acheieving very little.

Defensiveness is a town attribute. However, over-defensiveness is a scum attribute. You've been given an inch of rope and your kicking and screaming travels over a mile.

show me where, because i havent just gone "wahwah youre voting me when im town" (which id agree is scummy), ive made it pretty clear that im critical of their reasons and intentions and ive given reasons. also, give my iso in my last game a quick skim - especially where i was being challengeed by rc. thats honestly just how im being.

You're so vindictive and angry that I see someone upset that they're being voted and not that they're trying to find scum.

oh fuck you, ive got three scumspects and another which is slightly below which im fairly confident of, ive done the most fucking scumhunting this whole game!

If he were town, there'd be more votes on him.

ugh, im sorry travelling but i hate this kind of reasonining because 9/10 times its more just feeling around in the dark and saying things which support your view rather than being logical. someone could easily argue that if i were scum id have more votes on me as my partners would be bussing me if they feel im not doing very well (and you could argue "power role" but this is an antihero upick, everyone has a damn power role).

me vs meeseeks

uh... what? is me vs you a thing? as far as i can tell its just you having a mislead scumread and me disagreeing (and being a bit cautious due to your interactions with others). i dont see why scum would pile on me right now - hell, it would look opportunistic as fuck for a start.

a few people are noncommitally scumreading him.

first of all, are they? second of all, so why arent you questioning them rather than just using it to confbias your read on me? cakez is the only offender i notice yet you havent talked to him about it at all, and considering your pov you probably should, since he completely ignored my attempt to confront him about it.

You're so vindictive and angry that I see someone upset that they're being voted and not that they're trying to find scum.

oh fuck you, ive got three scumspects and another which is slightly below which im fairly confident of, ive done the most fucking scumhunting this whole game!

By the way, it shows over-defensive when you're getting to the point of appealing to more emotion. You're swearing a lot

fuck off is that a scumtell. i just went into the iso of my other game, used ctrl+f, and in the two pages there were 125 matches for "fuck". so, uhh swearing being a scumtell? forget it.

, and evidently, only to me. Tell me, who are you scum hunting?

can i help someone with a chronic problem of apparently being unable to see whats right in front of them?

she'd choose frogs as her role...

shit i didnt know you were married to deathrowkitty

Ok, so you guys know, I am a double voter. I hinted at it earlier and that's the reason I unvoted after my first vote.

oh yay claims already :/ i mean i understand but ehh, double voter is something i prefer people to keep secret, but you can go as a townlean for now i guess

I don't like the fact that Sheldon and shos voted magna right after I did simply to prove my double vote. After the next vote count my vote is going on one of you two

eh? i dont see whats alignment indicative about them doing that...

uh-oh

seems like we got scum!
VOTE: Java

wut

“Hey look – I’ll try to both peddle that MoI is somehow both doubting the claim and putting too much faith in it at the same time.”

oh look misrepresenting someone who happens to be voting you what a coincidence

VOTE: Cabd

woahwoahwoah so you feel that sheldon made a contradiction in voting you and stuff etc but you instead voted cabd for... some reason? calling someone scummy and then not voting someone while voting someone with little reason is a pretty nice tell, thanks for that!

VOTE: magnaofillusion

Javajoe is most likely likely town as well for their approach to the claim, as well as to an extent their role being likely town.

Everyone else is null at this point except for MoI who I am scumreading because their approach to the Java claim didn't feel at all like actual scumhunting

Scum. Scum desperately trying to justify a scum read on me for the exact same conclusion I drew.

I voted MoI following 56

because I was super sketched about about his willingness to consider a proven doublevote confirmed town

as well as his inclination to not believe an extremely easily disprovable claim.

Here is the initial reasoning on why I am scum. The bolded is the important part.

1. 56 never says anything about Java being “Confirmed Town”. It simply says I could sort him as Town for his role. So a misrep.
2. He comes to that same analysis on Java as quoted above. He's now couching his read on "it doesn't feel like real scum-hunting" which is means ... he can't actually justify his stance and has to throw empty words.

That and he ignores the whole back and forth I had with Travelling that explains exactly my thought process.

VOTE: Sheldon

Or Shotty.

yeah i like this for scum - he had already given plenty of reason to vote sheldon cooper, but he "had" to come up with this extra logical leap to fully justify voting, and something about this feels unnatural

Haven't completed reading yet but we have got our scum.

VOTE : SirCakez

has everyone this game forgotten how reasons work

So my first topic discussion I want us all to discuss what were your choices that Antihero didn't pick?

I am still in support of my RVS vote, and we need a wagon.
So I suggest everyone condense onto my vote.
Please and thank you from your friendly neighborhood assassin.

I didn't like these two posts. First one is a bizarre question that accomplishes nothing and the second is pushing an unexplained RVS wagon because ???

first one, shit dude, you complain about a useless post in post number seven??? while not even commenting on all of the arguably more useless science discussion that extended to the third page? sheesh. second one, uhh, "we need a wagon", he wants a wagon to form so he can analyse it, so theres a clear reason so you cant say "because ???", second scum with magna that would be cool

mr. image format

who

i mean shit look at all the scumhunting i

didnt fucking do

sure im doing a lot of reacting at stuff directed at me and answering questions but would you rather i just ignored it? i cant help it if im at the centre of far too much attention right now[/quote]

it's my opinion

yeah i get its your opinion but if you looked at my last game youd see this isnt really alignment-indicative at all

Strong Scum: Meeseeks

is this strong scum relatively speaking or just in general?

I'm trusting Plot on Meeseeks being our strongest scumread

please read my posts and make your mind up on your own. i would like to hear the opinion of someone in your hydra who doesnt have the confbias of a meta read from the start and maybe you can help convince ploti of the truth

Meeseeks nullscum

ahahaha what? nullscum? after all youve said about me, im fucking

nullscum

? that just seems... wrong.

I don't have any really strong scumreads at this point. Fire Assasin has kind of drifted back to nullscum.

youre dodging my question here. i asked you why im nullscum despite what youve said about me, and youve said about fire. idgaf about fire. ansewr the damn question

He didn't say anything about disagreeing with shos wagon tho.

...but him supporting a rivaling wagon is a pretty clear indication that he disagrees with it though. subtext, reading between the lines, as irritating as i find it when people dont state reads its pretty obviously implied when he does something like that. come on.

Not really....
I've supported counter wagons without disagreeing with the other before

...then why is it weird that he supported a counter wagon without disagreeing with the other? youve just said you regularly do something that you scumread fire for, which seems counterintuitive at best

How is this scummy?

im 90% sure i already explained this, but its asking questions to appear like youre doing something or thinking critically while actually acheieving very little.

And how do you know I'm not achieving anything?

the question was about whether or not something in another game actually happened or not, and you pretty much entirely knew im not lying because i would have to be a completely incompetent buffoon to lie about something so disprovable. ergo, asking about it is an attempt to look like youre doing something when in reality you achieve very little

And I am scumreading Meeseeks.

and you are

still not voting me

like what the holy balls youve made it abundantly clear im your strongest scumread yet your vote is still placed on your fire assassin vanity wagon while completely ignoring the building wagon on me. this isnt town, this is scum trying to avoid looking opportunistic by not joining a growing wagon
VOTE: sircakez

-notscience

well pun

And I am scumreading Meeseeks. This is really awful reasoning for a scumread. Like my townread on you just sank like a rock, that's how fake I think this is.

I strongly think Meeseeks is a planned mislynch by some scums.

why?

oh good "omgus" as a buzzword

i hate the overuse of omgus - omgus is literally "you voted me so ill vote you", not "i have a good reason for voting you and you are also voting me". overreacting? i havent even gone all caps yet which i did several times in my previous game. your description of my weird "progression of reads" ...i dont get what you mean?

Friend Meeseeks, I agree with you that voting somebody who voted for you isn't that great a scumtell and that there can be situations for example if most people are scumreading player A then anybody that player A attacks can counter with "omgus" when instead the problem is that 12 people are scumreading player A and 3 of them must also be scum because math.

But I also can think of examples where you, as scum, found it difficult to push back on anybody but the few people who were scumreading you, and that your read on them was primarily a response to their read on you, so that does kind of ping me. idk it's a nuanced kind of thing. I'm pretty sure I've seen you omgus as town, too, though.

yeah i play reactionary regardless, especially rn when i have various other important things on its easier just to focus on what is important relative to me, and thus largely peoples feelings about me

and you disagree that using "generic scumtells" for something with so many varied reactions such as nakedly voting someone isnt a bit dodgy?

You're playing on an alt, so generic scumtells are what most people have to go on. If you want people to take into account how you in particular tend to react to certain things, you play on your main. If you want to escape from all of the meta stuff, you play on an alt. I think I'm going to try alting a bit after this; I'm really tired of being Plotinus. I need an alt for real life, too. >.>

yeah but the particularly "general scumtell" of shos' (that is, reacting to a naked vote) is one of those that is very much changeable per person for the vast majority of users, which is why i find it weird

shos, have you even been reading this game? seriously?

This is, unfortunately, not alignment indicative for shos. I played with townshos once and scumshos once and I didn't see much of a difference between the two.

yeah but im still hoping to convince the dingus to do so through calling him out. it was more of a genearl "are you fucking kidding me" than finding it scummy, i just found it incompeteny

Um, it turned out that the only things i have to say right now in response to your posts are chatty things. why. but you requoted 133 but i think there was something in there i wanted to ask about.

oh yay claims already :/ i mean i understand but ehh, double voter is something i prefer people to keep secret, but you can go as a townlean for now i guess

How would he keep it a secret if he can't turn it off? Eventually people would notice that he's never voting...

in all honesty im not 100percent sure what i meant by that and what alternative was in my brain sorry about that

I get meta. I really do, but if you use it as your only line of defense, you're not defending yourself well. It comes off as an excuse, and that's how I take it.

but it is a perfectly valid argument - its inaccurate to call me scummy for being overdefensive when that fits with my town meta. sure, you cant call me town for it either, obviously but with the meta knowledge you should take it with a pinch of salt

Scummier than Mr. Burns. Less scummy than Hitler.
I'm not sure what you're asking from me.

what i meant was like "am i strong scum just because im your strongest you have or are you really pretty certain im scum" if that makes sense

Yes you're nullscum. There's only 13 pages, I don't have any uber super xD strong scumreads

there is a place between "uber super xd strong scumreads" and "nullscum". i was expressing distaste that, despite all that youve said about me being scum (and believe me its a lot), im still only nullscum. that seems like a cognitive dissonance and it is part of the large reason while im scumreading you; it looks like youre trying to emphasise that im scum without showing yourself scumreading me much so you can have an excuse not to vote me for whatever reason

He didn't say anything about disagreeing with shos wagon tho.

...but him supporting a rivaling wagon is a pretty clear indication that he disagrees with it though. subtext, reading between the lines, as irritating as i find it when people dont state reads its pretty obviously implied when he does something like that. come on.

Not really....
I've supported counter wagons without disagreeing with the other before

...then why is it weird that he supported a counter wagon without disagreeing with the other? youve just said you regularly do something that you scumread fire for, which seems counterintuitive at best

What?

you complained that he started a counter wagon without disagreeing with the other, saying that its scummy. you then said "ive supported counterwagons without disagreeing with the other before". you literally said you regularly did something you find scummy about him. more votes on this guy please???

How is this scummy?

im 90% sure i already explained this, but its asking questions to appear like youre doing something or thinking critically while actually acheieving very little.

And how do you know I'm not achieving anything?

the question was about whether or not something in another game actually happened or not, and you pretty much entirely knew im not lying because i would have to be a completely incompetent buffoon to lie about something so disprovable. ergo, asking about it is an attempt to look like youre doing something when in reality you achieve very little

I have some pretty solid reads so I haven't "achieved nothing".

great, im not talking about in general achieving nothing, stop misrepresenting what ive said. in fact i didnt even say achieve nothing i said achieve very little so youre literally lying about what i said. but regardless, the point is you asked that question which was ultimately pointelss as it achieved nothing. youve misrepresented my intentions in this reply as well as literally misquoting me

And I am scumreading Meeseeks.

and you are

still not voting me

like what the holy balls youve made it abundantly clear im your strongest scumread yet your vote is still placed on your fire assassin vanity wagon while completely ignoring the building wagon on me. this isnt town, this is scum trying to avoid looking opportunistic by not joining a growing wagon
VOTE: sircakez

Huh good point
VOTE: Meeseeks

fuckin finally

Not answering this but you should know the answer.

if i knew the answer i wouldnt have asked why, would i? answer the question i asked please

if I'm wrong about Meeseeks then never mind.

why? i think its scummy regardless of context, why does behaving like that to someone who is town suddenly stop it being scummy in any way?

Im way too tired to got hrough all the walls on p13.

look, the vast majority of my posts are walls. how can you declare yourself to be able to read me well enough to put me as top scum when you clearly havent read them?

Meer – This may or may not be a play-style issue. I do however find feel his case on me feels very much like “Oh, I’m getting a meta-read from Traveller I better find something to put a large wall out there so it doesn’t get traction”.

i dont get what youre saying - why would "putting out" a large wall stop a meta read getting traction? also tbh it was basically timing coincidence that it happened around the time but hey

Link this please.

are you fucking kidding? i really hope you are kidding

My comment about Sheldon’s vote was a jest response

...im sorry i didnt get that from

“Hey look – I’ll try to both peddle that MoI is somehow both doubting the claim and putting too much faith in it at the same time.”

like sure the wolowitz bit was in jest but this bit looks like youre trying to point out a genuine contradiction and while you may have known that it wasnt really obvious, so it feels unfair to call that reading. and while you did point out that cabd did scummy stuff, that was done in posts well before this, it seemed weird to wait to put the vote on until that post (and the exact reason why cabd was scum for that question is totally beyond me tbh)

Since I know who is the main behind Mees

uhh how do you know thiss??

Hydras share an alignment. If you see scummy behavior from them regardless of the head you hunt it.

disagreeee, if you know fairly well both heads and they post something which would be a bit dodgy from one head and not dodgy from the other, it surely is sensible to see if you know which head it is from
also ploti admitted it was ploti and i didnt scumread them for that so this point is moot

So it’s OK for you, who have many many words with Salesman to NullTown him but it isn’t OK for Cakez to Nullscum you?

read my interactions with salesman. i have had a mix of scumreading them for some things and townreading them for others which, when balanced, lead me to a nulltown. almost every word cakes has said about me has suggested that he thinks im scum. thats why its okay for me and not okay for him. different circumstances

Wait, why?

because i dont think either of you are scum yet both - particularly you - seem to be getting a fair amount of people expressing willingness to vote you. particularly since, except from traveling salesman whose post i find almost as inaccurate as you do, they all said stuff like "read kurois posts we should lynch him", that is to say, giving no reasons, and this was before traveling said anything so they cant have been agreeing with them. but even despite that, i just disagree that youre scum yet your wagon is growing so i thought id point out that youre a bad wagon imo[/quote]

i dont get what youre saying - why would "putting out" a large wall stop a meta read getting traction? also tbh it was basically timing coincidence that it happened around the time but hey

Well if you don’t know what piece is missing from the claimed Town meta on you putting up a large wall would certainly be a way to hopefully bridge that gap.

right..? then why did i procrastinate putting up a large wall with various excuses rather than straightaway doing it?

like sure the wolowitz bit was in jest but this bit looks like youre trying to point out a genuine contradiction and while you may have known that it wasnt really obvious, so it feels unfair to call that reading. and while you did point out that cabd did scummy stuff, that was done in posts well before this, it seemed weird to wait to put the vote on until that post (and the exact reason why cabd was scum for that question is totally beyond me tbh)

Well this is a you-problem then because the whole thing was clearly tongue in cheek. Whether that problem stems from Town or Scum is yet to be sorted in my mind.

As to why Cadb is scummy (as scummy as you get on page 1 to 3 anyway) look at 26 and tell me if you see game relevant content in there.

is it really "clearly tongue in cheek" to imply that someones post is contradictory? especially since several other players didnt pick up the tone. and the other thing is irrelevant

uhh how do you know thiss??

I read game here on MS that I don’t play in. Seriously what’s the purpose of this question as far as you sorting my alignment context?

because theres only one game my alt was outed in so i just found it quite weird. also it means its less likely for you+travel to be scumpartners because theres a decent chance that they may have outed my alt to their partners which you would totally be more careful about revealing

read my interactions with salesman. i have had a mix of scumreading them for some things and townreading them for others which, when balanced, lead me to a nulltown. almost every word cakes has said about me has suggested that he thinks im scum. thats why its okay for me and not okay for him. different circumstances

I’ve read the whole game. Personally I think at the most charitable analysis of your post that you are trying to split hairs given there is no “book definition” of what nullscum or nulltown means.

really? because that is a silly and incompetent analysis. theres a pretty obvious difference between cakes being nullscum on me despite virtually all his many comments on me being "is scum", and me being nulltown on travel after having various town and non-town feeligns about him

And as to other responses non-Specific to me personally –

but it is a perfectly valid argument - its inaccurate to call me scummy for being overdefensive when that fits with my town meta. sure, you cant call me town for it either, obviously but with the meta knowledge you should take it with a pinch of salt

I’m frankly finding this sort of response from you scummy as hell.

You’ve made a big song and dance about this is an alt that you wanted to use so as to not be meta read. And now you are trying to lean on a Town meta in this argument. One other completed game is not a Town meta and I don’t see any evidence Kuroi knows who you are an alt of.

if youd read the context you know im not talking about my mains meta but this accounts meta so good job being entirely wrong here. sure, one game is not a meta or whatever bullshit you spout, but surely theres a logical connection between me being overdefensive as fuck in one game where i was town and that not being a scumtell for me?

d/l getting a tad close, and ive seen a lot of support for cakez, so i dont see why we shouldnt get a bigger wagon on him, considering particularly that five of our seven wagons consist of a single vote

i would welcome a shos wagon too but that seems notably less popular so id rather push for cakeyboy

Of COURSE we choose the lynch by popularity and not by who I actually think is scum!! What do you mean?! Scumhunting is for pussiez, I dont need that shit

Just see where someone is lynchable and join

Piece of cake


...VOTE: meseeks-
(p sure my vote was already there?)

jesus you are thick sometimes arent you

i scumread BOTH YOU AND CAKEZ. that is OBVIOUS from my posts (of course you dont FUCKING read any of them but thats irrelevant). now, when deadline is approaching, which one am i gonna fucking push? you or cakez, when you have less fucking popularity? also there is a fucking votecount right before that fucking post and who has more votes? kuroi. WHO I FUCKING SAID NOT TO LYNCH

LYNCHING BY POPULARITY MY HAIRY ARSEHOLE

right..? then why did i procrastinate putting up a large wall with various excuses rather than straightaway doing it?

Perhaps because you hate the effort being scum requires to make walls like that with fake-scumhunting?

a theory with a massive hole in it, given that like 80% of my posts have been huge walls with scumhunting

really? because that is a silly and incompetent analysis. theres a pretty obvious difference between cakes being nullscum on me despite virtually all his many comments on me being "is scum", and me being nulltown on travel after having various town and non-town feeligns about him

Not really. I don’t directly point to every post I read as Town in this game. The process of scum-hunting is going to focus on the negative. It is by no means a stretch to suggest that someone could have a Nullscum rating on someone with the majority of their comments to said player being focused on negative aspects of that player’s posting.

But yeah – keep up with the insults. Very helpful for you.

but even when confronted he hasnt given a single reason why im "town". also, why are you defending him and speaking for him? and youve definitely changed your initial, point, originally it was "what is the difference", but when i point a difference you instead scramble to cover that he just hadnt stated any reasons for townreading me. oh, and that dig for "insults" is just silly, i said that your analysis is silly and incomptent, not you. anyway, to humour you, if he found anything townie about me, why didnt he bring it up when i expressed distaste at his "nullscum" read and not voting which he justified by "well i just dont have a strong read thats all" and "i forgot to vote". surely that is the time any town player who did have a nullscum read due to townie influences to, you know, bring them up? but hey, ill go with it because i know youll keep hammering away at this, and by the way if the reasons are shitty i wont accept it, im saying this in advance preparing for all likelihood that if he does come up with reasons and their shitty and i say their shitty youll just accuse me of not wanting to hear them from the start, because seriously ive asked him why im nullscum before and hes never give any similar reasoning so if he comes up with any reasoning now i bet you it was come up with on the spot

sircakez why was i only nullscum?

if youd read the context you know im not talking about my mains meta but this accounts meta so good job being entirely wrong here. sure, one game is not a meta or whatever bullshit you spout, but surely theres a logical connection between me being overdefensive as fuck in one game where i was town and that not being a scumtell for me?

No I can read in context very well. Your trying to peddle a single game as meta is crap. Hell – meta itself is mostly crap. But you failing back on this sort of argument reads at a gut level as “Caught for the wrong reasons” whining.

im hardly peddling it as meta though. im not saying "DUDE YOU GOTTA TOWNREAD ME FOR DIS SHIT". im saying "look, i did this loads as town in my last game, maybe consider the fact that for me its not scummy", which isnt even

slightly

unreasonable to somebody who isnt trying their hardest to paint someone as scum for bad reasons

before, i was getting so-so on magna being scum. im now relatively confident in it, even if it is the weakest of my scum read.

quote="In post 316, SirCakez"]Yes you're nullscum. There's only 13 pages, I don't have any uber super xD strong scumreads

there is a place between "uber super xd strong scumreads" and "nullscum". i was expressing distaste that, despite all that youve said about me being scum (and believe me its a lot), im still only nullscum. that seems like a cognitive dissonance and it is part of the large reason while im scumreading you; it looks like youre trying to emphasise that im scum without showing yourself scumreading me much so you can have an excuse not to vote me for whatever reason

You're a full scumread now so looks like your problem isn't an issue anymore![/quote]i mean... it is in and of the fact that you still did the scummy thing. youre the one who asked the question, im just answering it

you complained that he started a counter wagon without disagreeing with the other, saying that its scummy. you then said "ive supported counterwagons without disagreeing with the other before". you literally said you regularly did something you find scummy about him. more votes on this guy please???

oh nevermind you clearly cant understand it

great, im not talking about in general achieving nothing, stop misrepresenting what ive said. in fact i didnt even say achieve nothing i said achieve very little so youre literally lying about what i said. but regardless, the point is you asked that question which was ultimately pointelss as it achieved nothing. youve misrepresented my intentions in this reply as well as literally misquoting me

It wasn't pointless, it helped my reads. gtfo.

how

sircakez why was i only nullscum?

Because there was very little game content to go off of. Even now the game is fairly small.

very little? at the time of your first "nullscum", youd made seven posts which contained stuff saying or implying i was scummy, while you had no consideration of me being town. also, hah, take that magna, it wasnt because he townread me, so suck it, it was just as i suspected. shocker, huh?

Well given that the time it took you to start posting said walls I don’t think necessarily that is a huge a hole as you are presenting.

well yes it is because you said "well maybe it took you a while to make a wall after travels accusations because you hate making walls" when i obviously dont hate making walls because ive made a metric fucktonne of walls so it still is a pretty damn gaping hole

The prediction about how things are going to go doesn’t do you any favors in my eyes – you ‘ve already drawn hard conclusions about events that have yet to pass which isn’t something I’d expect Town to do.

well guess what i was right, and yeah they do, when town finds someone scummy in a certain area and has an idea as to why its scummy, its hardly difficult to create a conclusion as to how they will respond to a certain thing

As to whether Town players would post every Town thing they see – why do you expect that from everyone when you clearly ascribe to the theory that players play differently and can’t be held to “generic scum tells”? It is the basis of your argument on not suspecting your for over-reacting to pressure. I personally rarely post things I see that I think are Town unless the situation specifically warrants it.

and this point is also rendered moot by cakes not stating any town things

Isn’t this the point where you should be voting me? I mean you hammered Cakez for not voting you and here you are saying you are relatively confident I am scum.

hey dude how about you read the part you quoted and the bit where it says "magna is my weakest scumread" and figure out from that why you arent voting me...
how did you go from post 337 and

are you scum or just unfun: Kuroi

to

Kuroi is town as fuck

[/quote]

seriously kuroi, your push on me started off as weak, now its just wrong and pathetic

you know the two wagons pushed at the end of yesterday? cakes and shos? that you joined? i was the biggest pusher of them over the whole of yesterday because i questioned them etc

so dont you fucking say i havent scumhunted because that is just wrong and you can piss off

maybe i dont do it in the same way as you, but you cannot say that i have done none without realising how utterly, hilariously wrong you are

right?

[Mr Meeseeks]

oh, i was just talking about all the posts he made last night

his other posts in order were along the lines of:

claiming element, asking others their elements
asking if it were just him and cakes in the neighbourhood (at this point i hadnt actually noticed the pt link in my pm)
responding to cakes refusing to claim his element
asking cakes if he is scum
an onomatopoeia typical to thinking
asking my element
making a silly pun about the way i refused to claim (which almost seemed like trying to dig into a crumb? ask me if you want me to explain)
saying that he was being sarcastic in the last post
saying i had a good idea in saying we shouldnt claim what flavour the neighbuorhood was when we claim
saying that the elements have little relevance to a claim so its not a big deal for cakes to claim element (4th june)
the post last night (17th june)

this was for travelling btw

[Mr Meeseeks]

I never said that you didn't scum hunt. I said you didn't scum hunt enough and I stand by that.

I'm accusing you of not scum hunting since the beginning of the game.

more votes plz

like he literally just said something and then went "no i didnt say that i said something else"

come on

[Mr Meeseeks]

You know, I could also quote every post I've ever made, but I'm not going to wade through this unimpressive wall. I never said that you didn't scum hunt. I said you didn't scum hunt enough and I stand by that. From the amount that you post (You post 50% more than Travelling Salesman, the next largest poster. You post nearly double the amount I do, the third amount), that wall should be much longer.

i gave up about a third of the way through my iso, so thats really only a third of all my scumhunting

youre backpedalling and panicking loads under pressure

my vote is staying on you for the perceivable future

can we have more votes here please thanks you

[Mr Meeseeks]

@Meseeks, Cakez, Java

assuming there's exactly 1 scum in the hood who do you think it is?

at this point, javajoe

[Mr Meeseeks]

Technically, you're right. I misspoke. I figured the "enough" was implied.

Good job, sir. You've out-semantic'd me.

bullshit. in that post you said:

Your last post was meant to signify where you've scum hunted. I didn't see that anywhere.

this

I know you didn't scum hunt in the last couple pages - actually, at all since the beginning of Day Two.

this

I'm accusing you of not scum hunting since the beginning of the game.

and this.

you fully intended to say i havent scumhunted at all the entire game and the language used in your post pretty obviously says that. i strongly doubt that you "misspoke".

[Mr Meeseeks]

prodge ill do something tomorrow probably

[Mr Meeseeks]

what time is it

time for another prodge

ill do something this evening but right now im too busy watching my economy getting fucked up the arse

[Mr Meeseeks]

and i failed to catch up again

ugh

i will post some time tomorrow (so thats within 24 hours)

if i dont, i will replace out

sorry for being useless

[Mr Meeseeks]

yeah

looks like this aint happening sorry, ive just become so apathetic

aneninens claim looks good, and what hes said about it fits with other comments made by aneninenineninen

recommendation to the user coming after me - check who i gave the beta radiation to, to make sure it worked, because im not so sure

final readslist:

scum - kuroi, javajoe, travelling salesman, cakes if not jj
null - sheldon, gif, chilled, cabd
town - aneinen, fire assassin

[Mr Meeseeks]

wait i should probably, you know

sorry antihero, replacing out