Mini 1815: Game of Thrones S1E1 GAME OVER

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VOTE: Dwlee99
Still hasn't played league with me

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i sure hope someone does something scummy.
it might be hard to know who to vote otherwise.
:s

Just wagon whoever is V/LA, they can't fight back.

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FA isn't scum, they couldn't handle the pressure on them atm

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I might be slightly more troll-ish than usual, but never apathetic. ^_^

for real though. every game ive been in with an early-revealed ic, the ic does nothing because theres no more pressure on them. dont be useless please.

Cakez has pulled it off before.

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Ya that would be bad I don't want to lynch you....yet

bummer that you might actually be scum this game

This pings me.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Gorkington

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FA chill, this happens basically every game.

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I am trying too ,

and no its not. I can't more sure of a scum in my wagon

what did you mean when you said your first post about me?

Basically just screwing around, nothing serious.

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Basically just screwing around, nothing serious.

FA isn't scum, they couldn't handle the pressure on them atm

but this look really serious >.>

plus for just screwing around you defend others?

It wasn't a serious defence, we were in RVS.

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Probs at least one scum In Square and Cakez
VOTE: Cakez

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I've seen her towngame b4 in a lot of games (bloodborne, song of ice and fire upick, sage frontier, etc)

How is this different from those games. I've seen FA freak over RVS wagons before

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fine
VOTE: Square World

OK Cakez is scum

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@Shadow I chose Cakez because more people scumread them and we could apply pressure. His vote on SW was awful as well so he is a stronger scumread right now.

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It's got about as much content as yours Dwlee

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theirs is scum content tho

shaddow's post is awful, not seeing myself changing my vote anytime soon

Might be willing to vote there, not sold yet though as they did ask some decent questions. Would prefer to flip in the (Cakez, SW) group for today.

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probz cause of the ice queen
VOTE: Frozen

bad

wisdom gets a cookie

bad

beginning of page 4, just did a bunch of modding stuff and Im hungry so gonna eat

bad

Cakey, talk to me friendo

bad

VOTE: square
my opinion

bad

VOTE: bbt
I want this
read their iso, it is bad
They're scum

bad

just seriously, lynch bbt please.

bad

theirs is scum content tho

bad

nah.

FIGHT ME

bad

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Random posts are also equally bad.

first he defended me for no reason in RVS , voiced pretty sirious buddying , tried to apease to me when a wagon on me formed , called his defense post RVS , made a delimma in SC , SW my two earlier reads

pressuering there is absoloutly fine and has my support

I was joking around.
I buddy and pllay a relaxed chatty game early.
I wasn't tryign to appease you. I was trying to stop you flipping out and getting upset. You're fucking welcome.
That isn't even scummy at all?
I wasn't making a dilemna, I said they were my scumreads.
There is one thing I did that can be interpreted as scummy and you are acting as if I'm a really obvious jester.

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bus bus bus bus

To clarify, do you think Cakez is bussing dwlee or dwlee is bussing BBT?

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hi bbt. i will support you doing whatever you do. just skim some people and give some reads.

nah, bbt looks like a lynchbait

Third Wheels is scum.

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They said they are fine lynching two people who are very unlikely to both be scum. They don't care who gets lynched.

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They said they are fine lynching two people who are very unlikely to both be scum. They don't care who gets lynched.

Do you see FA/sc as a duo where w/w is much less likely than t/t?

w/w?

They said they are fine lynching two people who are very unlikely to both be scum. They don't care who gets lynched.

Do you see FA/sc as a duo where w/w is much less likely than t/t?

unlikely to be together, I think. That's where rando's post comes off weird as fuck. Add him to the pool. T/s seems most likely.

Exactly. Which is why you shouldn't be OK lynching either. You should be OK lynching the one you have a scumread on and townreading the other.

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Exactly. Which is why you shouldn't be OK lynching either. You should be OK lynching the one you have a scumread on and townreading the other.

stupid logic. I'm not good enough to peg which is scum

Leaning cakez.

Fair enough. It was the way you put it that felt scummy. If you had said "I think there is scum in FA and Cakez" it wouldn't have been suspicious.

shadow wagon feels meh. Maybe I've missed somethign

I agree on this.

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Scumteam = Gorky/Cakez/ rando

Probably not/probably/definitely not

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btw once the girls show up we're going to be doing posts where we all type a portion of it so no signing whatever. We gonna be #nsync. I'm bumping our post count rn to not be embarassing

TW can live for today bc I really want to see this

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Might be a little strong, I haven't played with him before so I can't judge too much. It doesn't seem scum driven.

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Might be a little strong, I haven't played with him before so I can't judge too much. It doesn't seem scum driven.

im cheet btw.

I forgot >_>
We still haven't played together that much though. Mostly like half of day 1 before you replace out

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boo hoo.

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I can understand Dwlee questioning Wisdom. I just don't understand the rise in apparent anger. This appears artificial.

Im hormonal af tbh

Is it that time of the month?

They said they are fine lynching two people who are very unlikely to both be scum. They don't care who gets lynched.

Confession: Scum theater crossed my mind when I first read over the FA and Cakez interactions.

FA ends up in situations like this a lot tbh, and probably more as town than as scum. It's not impossible it was theatre, but extremely unlikely.

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Hope you feel better soon

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It's a crappy situation for sure.

*buh dum tss*

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What does his vote being second have to do with it? Wisdom's push on Gork was bad, but looked town. Dwlee looks like he saw the opportunity to push a player who could be a threat and it's very easy to sit behind Wisdom whilst he does the pushing.

Dwlee showed no interest in voting Gork until Wisdom started pushing. It was an icky vote.

He clearly did though.
People are trying to push this Dwlee wagon really hard which is weird.

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Okay, that makes more sense, but I still disagree so whatever. Wanna wagon gork tho?

BBT / Gork / ???

VOTE: gork
cool this is a thing

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I don't think that is alignment indicative.

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I don't think that is alignment indicative.

Maybe but BBT is right that his gork pushing started the moment I started pushing him, therefore could be opportunistic.

Could be, but I don't think it is.

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Decent chance yeah

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are you willing to bus mhsmith0?

I think ur scum too

So SW/TW/Smith scumteam?

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im looking at randomidget's iso and i have to say i dont really like it...

Well I don't like your face.

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For the third time.

dwlee's first mention of Gork is 461:

Okay, that makes more sense, but I still disagree so whatever. Wanna wagon gork tho?

which comes right after MY first push on Gork which is in 456:

especially since the words "TRY" and "TOO HARD" are literally in the post you quoted.
stop posting without using your brain please.

Gork I find it slightly worrying that you're defending my actions
Usually you'd doubt me like dwlee is doing

THIS
DOESN'T
MEAN
DWLEE
COPIED
YOU

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Ok. But people are also using it as a reason to scumread him. Which is incredibly bad.

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Slight townread based on tone. But the logic for scumreading him is pretty awful tbh.

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Not really. He did opportunistically push gork after he saw I may support it.

tone reads are bullshit unless you wanna argue you know his tone is not like that as scum

My tone reads tend to be pretty accurate. Most of the time it's because I pick up on slight things that make me think people are town without even realizing, which plays into my general opinion on them.

Anybody who knows you knows you tunnel. For scum, you're the easiest person to hide behind when you want to
force a mislynch. Dwlee jumped straight on that and I don't understand how Random isn't seeing it when he knows how you play.

It is possible that Dwlee genuinely developed a scumread at a similar time to Wisdom. That's all I'm saying.

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I feel like you're defending him a little too much for my taste

VOTE: random

Don't make me gladiate you dude. I'm not afraid to do it.

i need a better poe pile so i can feel good about lynching wisdom.

people who arent bbt and smith can start being more town now okay?

I need content to get gut reads off of before I realy kick into gear. I'm starting to get a feel for who I think is town and scum. Will probably make a readslist soon.

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I've got gork on my side, and together we can accomplish anything

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random's defending of dwlee felt like WKing

So all of a sudden Dwlee is town?

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Wisdom gets a read right!

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: square world

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A guy takes a trip to the zoo and the topic explodes

Hope you had a good time

Beebster yaaaaasss

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I didn't really naked hop, I've been scumreading him since like page 5

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Ok I am all caught up now.

Dazzle me, beeboy.

Ugh... my reads are in a really rough state. I look at them and I am pretty sure I am doing something wrong.


Town: Third Wheels, Wisdom, KuroiXHF, beeboy, Heartless
Null: Dwlee99, Square World, Gorkington, BlueBloodedToffee
Scum: SirCakez, Shadow, mhsmith0, randomidget

Why scum on me?

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Happy birthday Cakez!
Reading up atm

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The Beeboy wagon is bad and you should feel bad

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i really really REALLY want to lynch a beeboy defender

like randomidget or kuroi

I said they were probably town and the wagon oon them was stupid once. How is that "WKing the fuck out of beeboy"

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Why the fuck would you say something I agree with Cakez? Are you town here?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Square World

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Well that reaction test failed.

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Cakez could've been vigged, especially due to SW flip. My reads have been shit so far.

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@Radja, what does a bodyguard do in this case?

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That's what I wanted to check

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I think vote count 6 makes random scum

Ya got me, one VC proves I'm scum.

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Heartless, you can do better than this.

i was being sarcastic, but only a little

i really do think the way he responded (attacking the evidence instead of the accusation itself) is more indicative of a guilty person

I'm town. Happy now?

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he never does anything more than what he's done here though

This isn't true btw

like, his push on you is really terrible.
but its like.. why even push that angle if hes scum? there are so many easier routes that he could take to fake a scumread on you.
like, i could see "oh wisdom was trying too hard to appease third wheel and the kill points to wisdom because hes the sort of person who would see through third's gambit" or "im paranoid of wisdom" or something to do with bbt.
him getting caught up on word choice is just.. a weird and ineffective and attention-grabbing thing to do if hes scum here, no?

TW gambit was fucking obvious

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So random, what are your reads?

I'm really not sure right now. I was pretty confident on cakez/SW containing scum. I guess maybe dwlee/kuroi/smith as a scumpool. I'm getting the most town vibes fŕom shadow. Gonna run some ISOs in a bit.

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They seem to be genuinely looking to sort the game and figure out people's alignments. Their questions, whilst some are poor, do seem to come from the right mentality.

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Nothing I guess. It's more that there isn't as much he has done that I would directly indentify as coming from scum.

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Wis, I would be happy to dig some shit up if you want. That was purely going off o memory and what I remember about his posting. I do this a lot which you should know tbh

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Alright, working on it

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Holy crap, 6 pages and less than 12 hours.

FA is acting very similar to the last game I was in with her, and she was town. She had this same type of reaction from a tunnel wagon, so for now I'm actually reading her reaction to her wagon as town in this game.

Wisdom

- Why bother asking Heartless about their reveal? What does that do to get you information about scum? Also, why the Kuroi vote?

Square World

- Which wagon are you going to hop on next? Actually..

VOTE: Square World

"You're scummy" has been the basis of your vote, and you've done absolutely nothing to engage.

Early questions are good, townreading FA was definitely right here.

Alright, I actually have more time to commit to the game today.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

can we leave RVS? she's feeling the pressure already.

This post made no sense. FA literally had one post at the time (14) where she expressed any sort of concern.

meh
we werent realistically going to be in the lynch pool anyway so not a huge deal i guess

VOTE: fa

Was this a random vote, or did you have a reason for the FA vote at the time?

Ready for the 1v1?

This rubs me the wrong way for this early in the game. I've generally only seen people do this when a) they're scum, or b) they're fairly confident the other person is scum, which is practically impossible on page 2.

Ya that would be bad I don't want to lynch you....yet

bummer that you might actually be scum this game

This pings me.
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VOTE: Gorkington

What is it about Gork's statement that pings you versus Cakez? The "yet" at the end of Cakez statement actually gives me more pause than anything in that interaction.

I mean SW vote was like a scum who wants to jump on easy wagon. I asked who he is cuase if he knows me that won't be the case at all. but he completly ignored it.

I don't like rando crap defense on me in page one too.

I agree with FA here, SW seems to be jumping on wagons without offering much of his own.

Tonal reads are disgusting

ur face is disgusting

RVS wagon with 4 votes

and its the best place to start huantting scum

whats your problem with that?

You can hunt scum with votes on you. The way you're trying to get votes off of you is scummy af.

I always try to get the votes of me regardless of my alignment cuase thats according to my wincon

like I can't see your point.

I'm town and this wagon is misleaded. are you saying should I let it happen ?

Again, I completely agree with FA here. She isn't trying to defend herself, she's trying to get the motivation and cases of the people voting her. Scum have to fabricate reasons, so her asking for motivations isn't actually alignment indicative but the reaction of Cakez as the voter does come off as scummy.

VOTE: frozen angel
Serious vote

serious shit

whats your case

You're flipping your shit over a RVS wagon three pages into the game.

Yeah. You know what? SirCakez was pretty much articulating what I didn't like. VOTE: Frozen Angel Demanding a case like we're sitting on piles of evidence in a game on its third game sounds preposterous.

I'm fine with voting her until someone scummier comes along.

So asking for a case with only 3 pages in a game is scummy, but having a serious vote on somebody isn't? How does that work?

I scared the fuck out of myself. I thought this was a micro game, because Radja does a lot of micro games.

If it was, I would have just killed Frozen Angel.

This feels extremely disingenuous to me. If you were actually that concerned about accidentally hammering, why wouldn't you have made sure of the vote count before actually voting?

VOTE: SirCakez

choo choo

Really.

Probs at least one scum In Square and Cakez
VOTE: Cakez

Why the choice of Cakez over Square here?

There ya go.

But for your information, we get so riled up because you effectively demand some sort of huge evidence pile because we vote you. By freaking out, it makes... well, at least me, to want to vote you just that much more.

It seems to be common knowledge that FA does this, regardless of alignment. Does that mean you're likely to vote FA in any game where she starts to get pressure, or would it make more sense to actually look at the cases being presented (or lack thereof)? For full disclosure, I've never played in a game with scum!FA, so I've only seen her react this way as town.

except that FA tends to overreact to pressure as town? what even is your point?

Basically my point from above.

Do you feel he's actually contributed anything worthwhile to the game? If so, what?

That wasn't what I was asking. Levels of contribution isn't really alignment indicative, especially early on day one.

Effort =/= alignment, I get that. However, you seem to be actually opposed to his wagon, so I'm trying to determine what you see that is towny, as opposed to just not scummy.

VOTE: shaddowez

let's see if this wagon will get the same resistance as cakez's.

How did cakez wagon have resistance? He had 4 votes on him, and other people that were reading him as scum.

These questions show that he has looked at a post thought about it, sometimes check3d back on different stuff and is forming a genuine opinion on them. I see a genuine progression of thought.

Man, we're screwed this game

Town sentiment

I have to admit, dwlee's defense of me is starting to feel like buddying/chainsaw defending

Tend to see town say this more.

Gtg now, will do more later

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[shaddow does productive questions as scum too].

I did not know that.

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Am i supposed to be claiming here?

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I'm gonna claim anyway. I'm Gared, town tracker. I tracked Sir Cakez night 1 (no visit). My second track was also a no visit, but im not sure whether to claim it

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I know, I thought it was weird.

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If you mean bastard then it is not

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I guess it doesn't rly matter as it was a negative result. Gork. Basically, I tracked beeboy on a hunch (I thought they said something about being confirmable as town), only to find out right at the end that they were dead, panicked and put the first name I thought of

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Neither, i panicked and submitted a random person

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Wathing a bodyguard isn't really useful info for scum

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yeah it totally doesn't tell them that the guy has a PR

Oh yeah, I was working backwards from the night 1 bg flip. My bad.

okay yea i dont see a town tracker in this setup

This transition from dwlee is scummy
VOTE: dwlee

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Oh yeah fair enough I forgot that bit, it dwlt odd from me being a tracker -> not a town tracker over a long space of time

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Could be a scum jailor or RB maybe?

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there being a town tracker here would make me seriously consider the vig being scum

Could be

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It would have to be X-shot tbh and scum deciding to burn them early in case the vg got lynched

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Could be a 1 shot vig i guess?

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I guess it doesn't rly matter as it was a negative result. Gork. Basically, I tracked beeboy on a hunch (I thought they said something about being confirmable as town), only to find out right at the end that they were dead, panicked and put the first name I thought of

So n2 you tracked bee boy, who was already dead, and then you realized he was dead and just randomly picked a name? Have you ever pulled something like this as a town PR before?

It was the end of the night phase so i didn't have time to think about it.

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GGWP
I think the setup was balanced, but kind of frustrating for scum. We shouldn't have sent our janitor to do the kill, but we didn't have much choice on killing Heartless so that got us into trouble