Mini 1808 - Yuri: the Purest Form of Love (End)

[Ircher]

Hi
VOTE: Yume

[Ircher]

..........

[Ircher]

VOTE: Nahdia

[Ircher]

I am. The entire game is whether or not we lynch within three groups

(Town only lovers) vs (Scum Mafia hybrid)

I know we aren't holding back information from scum it is about keeping scum caged. They want to dominate potential lynch pools to avoid hitting the latter. If information about every pair is public knowledge they can control who they suggest is towniest and scummiest and focus conversation in those 6 players that are only town lovers. They can in essence dominate the game.

In contrast if they do this with lovers hidden it becomes much easier to find those instances of collision where logic doesn't exist because scum can't fall back on "lover pairing". This is not a game of 9 town v 3 scum it is a game of two teams.

By opening up lovers scum have infinitely more wiggle room to fake the narrative. Just no. This is derp to the nth degree. Do you honestly think a setup like this would support mass claim D1? Name a single Mafia setup that supports it and then that setup isn't broken. I trust Pieguyn to not do a broken setup. She probably reviewed it by someone.

Agreed

[Ircher]

I dont have any reads yet though.

[Ircher]

Kaori can be town for 88

[Ircher]

Nadhia probably town due to this wagon initially. I doubt a scum player would get wagoned that fast.

And hell to the no on partner claiming.

The only way scum make it through the game is by NK'ing their lovers since they are guaranteed (read the first post) to be lovers with a townie. By keeping the lovers secret they cannot just always townread the Mafia lovers. Instead Mafia have a dilemma of NK'ing the most townie player and risk lynching the lover partner OR they risk getting themselves lynched if they NK their lover.

By opening this up you make scum have an infinitely easier time faking their reads. Just ...no.

Also, why would mafia nk their own lover?

[Ircher]

How do you know that?

[Ircher]

How do you know that?

Because only town would change there avatar in preparation for the game. Gut read yo.

....Flimsy reasoning... You suggesting mafia cannot have hype?

VOTE: Beegirl

[Ircher]

can i be a townread too im town

[Ircher]

Math and FA are probably town.
Ircher's scum.

VOTE: Yume
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Nahdia

Why ya say Im scum? Huh?!

[Ircher]

can i be a townread too im town

....I queued up a troll invasion didn't I?

Indeed! :p

[Ircher]

It's barely been a day #1 and #2, you have barely said any alignment indicative stuff and #3 I've been busy doin' other stuff

[Ircher]

It's barely been a day #1 and #2, you have barely said any alignment indicative stuff and #3 I've been busy doin' other stuff

The fact that you've done literally nothing, except randomly voting, no follow ups, a townread on kaori without an explanation other than a post link (And i already have an issue with early townreads on Kaori), then another vote with flimsy reasoning at best.

This thread is only 6 pages. Townreads are easier to give at this stage. Please stop, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ircher

Also this is scum.

I'll play the AtE angle: You're wrong.

[Ircher]

It's barely been a day #1 and #2, you have barely said any alignment indicative stuff and #3 I've been busy doin' other stuff

The fact that you've done literally nothing, except randomly voting, no follow ups, a townread on kaori without an explanation other than a post link (And i already have an issue with early townreads on Kaori), then another vote with flimsy reasoning at best.

Why do you disapprove of people townreading Kaori btw?

[Ircher]

Please stop, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm pretty sure i have a lot of idea of what im talking about.

I've been busy doing other stuff; that should be clear by my posting history.

[Ircher]

It's barely been a day #1 and #2, you have barely said any alignment indicative stuff and #3 I've been busy doin' other stuff

The fact that you've done literally nothing, except randomly voting, no follow ups, a townread on kaori without an explanation other than a post link (And i already have an issue with early townreads on Kaori), then another vote with flimsy reasoning at best.

Why do you disapprove of people townreading Kaori btw?

She's done nothing town yet.

And who made you judge of what's town and what's scum?

Sure, you can have a differing opinion, but that doesn't mean another opinion isn't equally as valid.

[Ircher]

Please stop, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm pretty sure i have a lot of idea of what im talking about.

I've been busy doing other stuff; that should be clear by my posting history.

I've been busy yesterday and today, that doesn't mean i can't post anything or read the thread, specially on a slow paced game like this one

It was like 5 pages overnight.

[Ircher]

I also dont like how you fall back on excusing yourself with "i've been busy" instead of being town.

I'll catch up tomorrow.

[Ircher]

It's barely been a day #1 and #2, you have barely said any alignment indicative stuff and #3 I've been busy doin' other stuff

The fact that you've done literally nothing, except randomly voting, no follow ups, a townread on kaori without an explanation other than a post link (And i already have an issue with early townreads on Kaori), then another vote with flimsy reasoning at best.

Why do you disapprove of people townreading Kaori btw?

She's done nothing town yet.

And who made you judge of what's town and what's scum?

Sure, you can have a differing opinion, but that doesn't mean another opinion isn't equally as valid.

Doesn't mean it isn't either. Booooo

Everyone gets a fair shake from the tree of Math poke til I find out what alignment they are

True, but that's not Sakura's call to make for everyone else. Mafia is subjective with a hint of objectiveness.

[Ircher]

Spoiler: Mini 1808 - D1 - Catchup JULY 1

1. 13 by Aihara - Has townread on Kaori -

How do you already have one when the game thepread is so smalll.... Unless you two are lovers.... -

Null (0)

2. 45 by Math - Wagon too fast so must be town victim -

This is theoretically wrong as a wagon's speed is NAI. Nonetheless, I make presumptions like so all the time, so can't really fault you too much for it.... Also, I don't accept the townslip regarding NKs.... Too easy for scum to fake..... -

Scummish (-1)

3. 88 by Kaori - -

Well thought out. -

Townish (+1)

4. 97 by Beegirl - Townreads random for changing avi -

How is that in any way a towntell? This is scum trying to protect a scumbuddy or scumbuddy's lover. -

Scummy (-2)

5. 180 by Sakura - Says I've done something with scum all over -

So, having very few reads since people have just been setup-speccing the entire time is scum-motivated? Your logic doesn't add up; you've gone for the weakest link you can get away with. -

Scummish (-1)

6. 204 by Fire - "partner

s

" -

Is that not a scumslip, to state he has partners (note the plural)? The comment was a joke anyway, but that still feels like a scumslip. -

Scummy (-2)

7. 222 by Fire - Suggests QLynch on me -

Are you insane? That's a scum-motivated move cuz you are trying to cut off discussion, esp. before I can actually catchup. -

Scum (-3)

8. 245 by Sakura - Townslip -

It looks REALLY FAKE imo tbh.... Read the setup for cryin' aloud. -

Scum (-3)

9. 295 by Aihara - Naked unclaimed L-1 vote -

This is bad to do naked votes that are L-1 and not mention the fact. -

Very Scummy (-4)

Fire's most likely to be scum right now. So is Aihara for that terrible vote.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Fire

[Ircher]

It is scummy when no reason is given to back it and it was an unannounced L-1.

[Ircher]

"she is trying to fake a townslip?" -- Thats what I meant

[Ircher]

"Why only one point if she is going after a weak link? Wouldn't that make her even stronger scum for being so opportunistic?
Your point system seems flawed if you think Sakura is going after a weak player and that their reasoning doesn't "add up"" - Takes into acct bias

[Ircher]

"agree its extremely crappy reasoning. But since when is crappy reasoning = to scum?" - Fair point

[Ircher]

Happy birthday Ircher,
I want to give you a present, its called your lynch.

Now let me dissect your catchup:

Math - Wagon too fast so must be town victim - This is theoretically wrong as a wagon's speed is NAI. Nonetheless, I make presumptions like so all the time, so can't really fault you too much for it.... Also, I don't accept the townslip regarding NKs.... Too easy for scum to fake..... - Scummish (-1)

How was a completely theory post alignment indicative at all?
Also you said it was? And you then minus a point from them for it? What?

-1 generally indicates small stuff; here, the -1 had to do with the townslip regarding setups which I'm skeptical of.

88 by Kaori - - Well thought out. - Townish (+1)

Well thought post is now townie. Ohh boy I guess you can't be town so far...

Town GENERALLY put more effort into posts than scum. Hence +1.

4. 97 by Beegirl - Townreads random for changing avi - How is that in any way a towntell? This is scum trying to protect a scumbuddy or scumbuddy's lover. - Scummy (-2)

I agree its extremely crappy reasoning. But since when is crappy reasoning = to scum?

Fair point, but it really did feel somewhat a WK. Then the OMGUS vote felt like a Chainsaw.

by Sakura - Says I've done something with scum all over - So, having very few reads since people have just been setup-speccing the entire time is scum-motivated? Your logic doesn't add up; you've gone for the weakest link you can get away with. - Scummish (-1)

Why only one point if she is going after a weak link? Wouldn't that make her even stronger scum for being so opportunistic?
Your point system seems flawed if you think Sakura is going after a weak player and that their reasoning doesn't "add up"

It takes into acct bias on my side and possibly on their side.

Fire - "partners" - Is that not a scumslip, to state he has partners (note the plural)? The comment was a joke anyway, but that still feels like a scumslip. - Scummy (-2)

Points out a scumslip, so now I am just dying of laughter. No, wasn't a scumslip buddy. This post is a scum slip of mine, cause I am scum!

^ Quote that next time you want to quote a scum slip.

Subtle mistakes like that I feel are more reliable than scumtells tbh. It's an unconscious thing that you did (imo).

Fire - Suggests QLynch on me - Are you insane? That's a scum-motivated move cuz you are trying to cut off discussion, esp. before I can actually catchup. - Scum (-3)

Can't refute the reasoning here. Its about the one thing actually has merit here.

Sakura - Townslip - It looks REALLY FAKE imo tbh.... Read the setup for cryin' aloud. - Scum (-3)

What? How was this a townslip? How is it then fake if its a townslip? Don't you mean "she is trying to fake a townslip?
I mean I wouldn't consider that even close to townslip, maybe she did it because I read two others for townslipping? No clue.

I meant the latter.

Aihara - Naked unclaimed L-1 vote - This is bad to do naked votes that are L-1 and not mention the fact. - Very Scummy (-4)

If you got quick lynched the person who quick lynched you (assuming you and your lover flipped town) would immediately get lynched. So this obsession with who put someone at all L-1, isn't scummy.

We'll agree to disagree I guess.

[Ircher]

Also i agree that was in fact not, a townslip by me, in a case i'm scum and me and each of my partners have a town aligned lover, that doesnt excempt me from not knowing that there could be a possibility of 2 scum being paired together.

Considering scum have daytalk, it is a townslip as the first thing scum should do in mafia chat is state their lovers

[Ircher]

Well the first thing that jumped at me was this:

7. 222 by Fire - Suggests QLynch on me - Are you insane? That's a scum-motivated move cuz you are trying to cut off discussion, esp. before I can actually catchup. - Scum (-3)

9. 295 by Aihara - Naked unclaimed L-1 vote - This is bad to do naked votes that are L-1 and not mention the fact. - Very Scummy (-4)

VOTE: Fire

This doesn't add up.
Apparently -3 is more worthy of a vote than -4.
The second is:

5. 180 by Sakura - Says I've done something with scum all over - So, having very few reads since people have just been setup-speccing the entire time is scum-motivated? Your logic doesn't add up; you've gone for the weakest link you can get away with. - Scummish (-1)

That is, in fact my opinion of your ISO, this is a discredit by painting yourself as a weak player, rather than trying to town it up. Once again going for excuses rather than actually being town, if im scum for "voting the weakest player" then i guess we have 5 scum in this game since you have... currently, 5 votes (and im not including random's vote for you). You're not defending against the points made against you, nor correcting them, this is scum mindset, because you know you're scum so you can't.

I have nothin to defend as none of the points are AI valid.

Lack of content != Scum at 2 days in.

Also, you apparently don't get that 2+3 > 4 otherwise you'd understand why... (Not to mention, points are for reference and I dont always vote that way if I feel someone else is more likely scum)

[Ircher]

Also i agree that was in fact not, a townslip by me, in a case i'm scum and me and each of my partners have a town aligned lover, that doesnt excempt me from not knowing that there could be a possibility of 2 scum being paired together.

Its an open setup #1, scum have daytalk #2, and #3 there's only 1 mafia faction.

[Ircher]

Which is silly, cuz I've barely aaid anything til now.

I did RVS --> Not scum motivated
I made a few small comments here and there and thats about it.

You're being ridiculous.

[Ircher]

Since when was JaeReed universally townread?

[Ircher]

JaReed we gave scum a lot of information. Whoever the lover is we give scum a way to eliminate townreads without having to vote for them.

Let's say I am Ircher's lover. I am universally townread. Not a single person has a scumread on me. So instead of trying to break that they go after the suspected lover.

Hence the insistence on knowing who my lover is makes this a bad wagon.

Either my lover is town and scum know this and they want to eliminate me
OR
My lover is my lover is scum and scum are using that information to either twist the game or bus (as FireAssassin is in the bussing slot)

This is why outing lovers is bad. They don't have to lynch who they want lynched they go after the scummiest of the pair.

Now if you don't mind I am going to hold up my don't fucking mislynch Ircher sign over here in protest.

Ircher,Yume,and the new earth

DO NOT confirm your lover please!!!! I want to see how people react to this post.

Guess what: You being town does not make your lover town! You are pushing that you think he is town, and there are people here who believe he is scum- so guess what, he has to die. We can't just not lynch him because people are townreading you, and that's the wrong mentality to approach this game with.

Scum were never going to target the townier players regardless. The way to beat this setup is to get a pair or two that are obviously above all else town, and sac all the others.

You've yet to explain why Ircher is a mislynch.

Not confirming lovers is patently anti-town, especially when the few people who have not confirmed are gigantic question marks, a universal scumread, and a universal townread. It goes miles towards helping us solve this setup.

My bad, I meant when did Earth become an universal townread?

[Ircher]

My partner isn't trying,
Not even a tiny bit.
She is shying from the thread,
And having careful tread
To conceal her evil intent
To win this game unbent.

VOTE: Ircher

[Ircher]

Ircher, flavor?

Also, Aihara, how do you feel about Nahdia?

Huh? You want me to claim flavor?

[Ircher]

Miki Sayaka <Puella Magi Madoka Magica>, Town Lover

[Ircher]

Unvote
Vote: Aihara

Can I ask why you jumped pn the wagon considering you were the main proponent?

[Ircher]

I was too lazy to resord it, plus the flavor isn't breakable in this game.....

[Ircher]

Oh, wait a sec.....

Ahahahaha! Well, you never know if I changed the word from scum to town....

[Ircher]

UNVOTE:

[Ircher]

That is true, BUT, Pie DID say the pairings were what done as he chose.

(I might've crossed the line, but still....)

[Ircher]

Setup:

• This setup is 12p True Love. There are 3 Mafia Lovers and 9 Town Lovers in the game. Mafia Lovers are guaranteed not to be paired with each other.
  
• This game is nightless.
  
• Mafia and lovers may communicate in their PT at all times.
  
• The assignment of alignment to flavor is entirely random.

Disclaimer: all of the pairings in this game are pairings I picked. There probably will be some in here you don't recognize, or some which go directly against a pairing you support, or some that you look at and go "who dafuq is this"? Please don't be *too* forceful with me. > <//

Here is a sample Town Lover PM:

Himemiya Chikane <Kannazuki no Miko>, Town Lover

You're part of a series that apparently managed to combine mecha with yuri. I don't know anything else except for the fact that you two gave the informal name "miko embrace" to the pose reflected in the title image of this game.

Abilities:

Miko embrace:

You are Lovers with

player, Kurusugawa Himeko

. You possess a Lover PT, located here, which you may communicate in at any time. If you or your Lover partner is lynched at any point in the game, the other will automatically suicide.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

[Ircher]

Perhaps the better idea is just to lynch us anyway.

[Ircher]

Yume could still be scum after all.

[Ircher]

If I'm scum, then Yume is guaranteed to be town.
If I'm town, then it's unknown.

[Ircher]

Town should win in a stalemate 4p LyLo BECAUSE : If both pairs are cross-voting the other pair, then that means scum can and should hammer UNLESS such would cause them to lose.

Aihara payed zero attn to the above and cost town the game; town should've won this game.

That said, my sincere apologies for what was done D1. It was done with no intentions to try to break the game, but it obviously did affect the game, and therefore, I apologize for giving the mod a hard situation to handle.

[Ircher]

Wait, nvm.