Mini 1819: League of Legends: Clash of Fates (Endgame)

[Shaziro]

Posting before I slip off to my bed, tonight was game night and I was running on about an hour of sleep. I'll be around tomorrow!

[Shaziro]

Time. Read between the lines of what you just said in 61.

Vedith, lose the condescending crap.

Farm vote: Firebringer

[Shaziro]

Yume, not time.

[Shaziro]

VOTE: Vedith

[Shaziro]

It's too late to ask for you to be WotCed out. I'll settle for the second best way to not deal with you being more angrily, stubbornly wrong than a Fox News presenter.

[Shaziro]

I'm not concerned with worrying you. I'm concerned with the game not dissolving into grossness befitting of old Trundle.

[Shaziro]

Okay, this isn't going to get us anywhere. Vedith. Simple yes or no answer. Am I on the right track with what I was telling Yume?

[Shaziro]

Yume, chill for a mo. Vedith, was I on the right track or am I up shit creek without a paddle?

[Shaziro]

Oh hey I'm here now. I'm about set to shiv FB but I think that's town and just needs some farm to take this head on. If Yume is claiming Annie, whatever they are (including town or scum) they are either very powerful because mod loves Annie, or very weak because mod wants to avoid playing favorites. Vedith, I was asking about when I told Yume to read between the lines of what she'd just said, but that might be irrelevant now.

[Shaziro]

As a side note, if you didn't choose Shaco, jester, I'm going to be disappointed in you.

[Shaziro]

Does Mundo find it difficult to speak like the rest of us, or just choose not to?

[Shaziro]

Is that mod confirmed, or assumed based on the mod?

[Shaziro]

Fair enough. I like srs Firebringer more, btw. Jester, I swear to all things that are towny...

Firebringer, what are your thoughts on how Yume has been posting? Personally I don't see this as her scum game.

[Shaziro]

Seems too confident to me, to be honest. It's largely tone based as of now, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Shaziro]

I'm happy with my farm vote there.

Yume appears to be more timid and careful with her posts when she's scum, from what I've seen. With Vedith's stuff she was just firing back quickly and wasn't concerned with how it appeared.

[Shaziro]

No.

[Shaziro]

Gotta say the person is scum 8 times in order to make the vote count?

[Shaziro]

I mean in all fairness he did briefly "fake" one. But yeah, I think Hippy might be faking his, and I think the Sona song one is also fake.

[Shaziro]

-plays a song requesting your help-

-plays a song pointing to the vote count, then to my ISO-

-plays a song of dissent and frustration-

So like, these posts would definitely violate a "you can only post in songs" post restriction, right?

[Shaziro]

So LLD is just getting into character and trying to say that she has no voice so she either silently votes, or gives away her vote. Gimme a mo to look at the VCs...

[Shaziro]

Alright, looks like LLD votes with Hiplop.

[Shaziro]

Gotcha. So, you chose to give him your vote at daystart, or you are a silent voter and are just following him? Lets get "Uptown Funk" for the former, "Thriller" for the latter, and "Alice's Restaurant" for neither.

[Shaziro]

Alright, and you can change who gets your vote...what, nightly?

[Shaziro]

Yeah, even if that's a fake post restriction you can keep doin' it IMO.

Alright, so she gives somebody her vote nightly. Neat. Hippy, you're a doublevoter. Also Neat.

So who else is faking their post restriction, out of the folks who aren't doin' so hot?

[Shaziro]

Random...why didn't you pick Thresh? Like, I'm actually okay with believing that you didn't, but...-why-?

Actual game relevant stuff, though, that's a whole lot of info you just gave us, so good on ya!...but do we have any counterclaims first off, and second off...why would you be confirmed town in scum's PM? Do we have multiball here?

[Shaziro]

Oh, as for the people who aren't doin' so hot, Hiplop and Yume.

[Shaziro]

Random, KTS, duke it out! I'll watch and decide which one is telling the truth and which one is scum! It'll be fun!

[Shaziro]

Ok, RC has in the first post said that Scum are red and Town are blue. That's two factions. While it's possible that there are two "red" teams, and we're in multiball, it's unlikely. There are potentially third parties, as he's said that there are non-champion characters, but if they're third party then why would a champion, Lucian, be part of that group? In the end, now that I think about it, odds are actually probably good that Random is bullshitting and his "I'm confirmed town to the scum in his PM" bit was him trying to give himself validity and being hoisted by his own petard. Thoughts?

LLD, what you're saying is that Random is bullshitting, yes?

[Shaziro]

I mean, it says that in general terms flavor isn't alignment indicative, I think that means that Jinx, Thresh, Mord, Teemo, etc -could- be town, and that Garen, Lux, and Caitlyn -could- be scum. Not that two characters flavor can't be reflected in some weirdness with each other. Vedith. Talk about my point I made, please.

[Shaziro]

I mean, it took you 16 posts to start talkin' about bears, Yume. Granted, part of that was you arguing with Vedith, but still. The point was less the time of day you started, and more the fact that it took you many, many posts to start.

[Shaziro]

Don't have to be scum to fake a post restriction or a flavor.

[Shaziro]

This is not unmotived Yume. Unmotivated Yume is less of a sassmaster. Mind you, Hiplop is the one true Sassmaster, but Yume is workin' on it here.

[Shaziro]

Vedith, you're ignoring the fact that if it -isn't- multiball, then the idea that he would be confirmed town....to scum....is pointless and would not be put in. Making the whole claim bullshit.

[Shaziro]

and I'm confirmed to be town in his.

Okay, I mis read it.
Then you're right. This doesn't match up unless it is multi, but again, going by an LOL theme, I doubt it is multi.

Was just about to say.

P-edit: Jester, that'd be a mod lie, would it not? Don't believe this is a bastard game!

[Shaziro]

Also, note that Random fell off the face of the Earth when we started discussing this.

VOTE: Random

[Shaziro]

Hippy gets -both- of LLD's votes.

[Shaziro]

Post restriction is fake, the vote thing isn't. Post restriction is just how LLD has decided to spice up the game, and given that she's getting the info across just fine, I don't mind that.

All of that said, don't put farm votes on me.

[Shaziro]

LLD would like your permission to give you her vote tomorrow, Jester.

[Shaziro]

You were asleep for 3 hours, immediately after dropping a big ol' bomb of an infodump on the thread, and then woke up and had to go to the shops. So in actuality probably asleep for like 2 hours.

My apologies, LLD would like Hippy to move his farmvote to Jester. Translation software must be buggy.

[Shaziro]

Random is saying that his role PM tells him Lucian is in this game. He claimed to be Lucian. His claim is falling apart more and more. I'm perfectly happy with my vote.

[Shaziro]

The question was if your role PM confirmed -Thresh- to be in this game.

[Shaziro]

Actually, it's the secret option B: I read his quote and thought I'd missed you slipping. I see that his quote is chopped out of a larger sentence, upon rereading. That said, you've still not addressed the fact that unless the game is multiball (which is almost definitely isn't) there would be no point to confirming Lucian as town to a Scum, as scum -know- who town are. Hint, it's the ones that aren't them.

[Shaziro]

There's a difference between a couple hours and a couple minutes.

[Shaziro]

-Why- would Thresh have the ability to know that a town person is town as a role ability if he is scum? That's like saying "You are town, you have the ability to cast a vote. Your role is Caucus Member, so you are able to vote!"

[Shaziro]

You're changing your story. I don't like it. I'm content with my vote still. Vedith, my point is that Random is claiming that Thresh for some reason gets the ability to know that Lucian is town as part of his PR, but that Thresh is also scum. The only way this would be useful is if it is multiball, which we discussed and I for one don't believe it is. I've got some extra info as to why I don't think it is as well. It smacks of scum trying a ballsy move to try and skate by as "conftown".

[Shaziro]

In what way am I trying to stop you being able to function? I said I think your claim is full of holes and seems scummy to me. I rescinded a point that I found to be false, but since my read on you wasn't based on that point by any means, I think my read still holds water.

As LLD could tell you, actions speak louder than words, so instead of OMGUS voting me, screaming that I'm tunneling and confbiasing, and trying AtE if all else fails I guess?...try actually doing towny things. Consider this my "No, if you stop talking about my read on you and start trying to play the game elsewhere I won't call you scummy for it" confirmation.

[Shaziro]

With Vedith's stuff she was just firing back quickly and wasn't concerned with how it appeared.

I strongly disagree with this.
However, I can't give evidence to this as of yet.

Can you give me example games of her being scum while being careful?

Yume appears to be more timid and careful with her posts when she's scum

My response was for this comment - Sorry.

No.

Still true

In what way am I trying to stop you being able to function? I said I think your claim is full of holes and seems scummy to me. I rescinded a point that I found to be false, but since my read on you wasn't based on that point by any means, I think my read still holds water.

As LLD could tell you, actions speak louder than words, so instead of OMGUS voting me, screaming that I'm tunneling and confbiasing, and trying AtE if all else fails I guess?...try actually doing towny things. Consider this my "No, if you stop talking about my read on you and start trying to play the game elsewhere I won't call you scummy for it" confirmation.

Still true

[Shaziro]

Why scum and not wrong town?

[Shaziro]

I mean, your summer vote was never really explained. Makes it hard to follow.

[Shaziro]

That's fine and all, but when it's been made clear by the game's progression that no, we aren't seeing what you see, you only have yourself to blame when you get irritated that we aren't seeing it if you don't explain. On top of that, explaining it would (assuming you are town) benefit town. So it'd be a good.

[Shaziro]

Something something "out of game influences" something something.

[Shaziro]

I mean, it was a joke, I figured you were townreading her.

[Shaziro]

Sorry if the way I'm posting is annoying you, Maestro, but it's how I'm making sure I don't fall out of the game and keep in touch with it. Activity serves me better than observing, even if I go too far to the other end. That said, are we -really- going to do this crap again hiplop?

[Shaziro]

It's more likely that he actually looked at what he was doing, given past games where he did the same damn thing. That, or he figures that Yume's more likely to get lynched than I am.

[Shaziro]

Role blocker fits the stun, bulletproof fits the shield, bear is of course, the ult...but the doublevote at level 3. What?

[Shaziro]

Does the flavor not give an indication?

[Shaziro]

Fair. I also want to know why she was talking about finding bears when apparently it's not a "find the squirrel" situation, it's a "Level up" situation.

[Shaziro]

...you..summon another player?

P-edit: I'd rather figure out if you're town or not.

[Shaziro]

sad

We put Annie at L-1 and now the mod is sad. Good job people.

[Shaziro]

I figured, you've been doin that for placeholders. My jokes, they fail!

[Shaziro]

One thing I've noticed, there doesn't appear to actually be a counterwagon.

VOTE: Hiplop

[Shaziro]

...I'm tired.

VOTE: The_Jester

Meant to do that, was reading hippy's stuff.

[Shaziro]

I've said I'm fairly sure she's town. Not sure what else you want me to say, tbh. Also...you realize that those votes are both in italics. I'm moving my -farm- vote. To you. Because I townread you.

[Shaziro]

If that's what you mean by chainsaw, because I can't see any other meaning being applicable.

[Shaziro]

Literally check the mod post, and RC asking us to put farm votes in italics.

VOTE: Yume

VOTE: The_Jester

[Shaziro]

All role PMs have been sent out!

Confirmations are finished!

To vote for a lynch vote, use bold or vote tags as normal. VOTE: Titus and

Vote: Titus

are both acceptable.
To vote for a farm vote, use the same tags but in italics.

VOTE: Titus

and

Vote: Titus

are both acceptable.

[Shaziro]

Then quote the post and you'll see the formatting.

[Shaziro]

I still think he's lying and would be happy to see him hang as of right now, but I'd also be happy to see him do towny things and not hang if he is town.

[Shaziro]

I think he's scum but I'm not dead set in my read to the point that it can't be changed. No matter how much he shouts that I'm tunneling him.

[Shaziro]

I don't know that asking about bears is a "post restriction" tho.

[Shaziro]

Odds Vedith is a lyncher?

[Shaziro]

I got my first choice, but that does lend serious credence to randoms claim. It's possible that getting lower choices means your higher choices were too hard to fit into a game, but I have reason to believe RC can make most things work. So yeah.

[Shaziro]

I can see role blocker being scum, but I'm assuming this is probably role madness, so wouldn't all scum have prs that a town roleblocker could block.

VOTE: Unvote

[Shaziro]

Entirely fair. Maybe scum have some negative utility to balance it or something? Idk. I wouldn't hate the lynch, but wouldn't it be better to keep the day going for a bit for more working-shit-out time?

[Shaziro]

I really don't think I was super agressive on that, tbh. I've said several times that if he does towny things, my read could be changed, and when somebody actually gave his claim more credence, I specifically mentioned that. He's back to fairly null for me, hence me unvoting. I dunno, I was feeling particularly rambunctious or somethin'. What about hippy saying he wants farm has you thinking it's for good reasons, other than just the fact that he keeps on saying he wants it?

[Shaziro]

If I am wrong you can 100% lynch me tomorrow and ill support it.

Oh really now? Interesting.

[Shaziro]

Lol'd

Where'd your Shaziro vote come from btw?

He thinks he saw something and thinks I'm dangerous to him and his scum buddies, maybe?

[Shaziro]

He thinks he saw something and thinks I'm dangerous to him and his scum buddies, maybe?

Shaziro the best detective in the world here.

I can't decide if this is you being the standard annoyance, or you trying to make it look like I'm making no sense. When in all actuality I'm making pretty good sense.

[Shaziro]

That's a whole lot of words to say "I'm convinced I'm infallible". Please refer to the first three words of post 617 as to why my vote isn't on you.

[Shaziro]

Last word of 613. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, or are you just misrepresenting what I'm saying on purpose in the hopes somebody will buy it and a) go along with your bad read or b) go along with your purposeful mislynch?

[Shaziro]

Shaziro, it would help you to know that Vedith is not serious in like 80% of his posts.
He is a fun troll like me.

No, honestly he is not somebody I enjoy being in game with.

Last word of 613. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, or are you just misrepresenting what I'm saying on purpose in the hopes somebody will buy it and a) go along with your bad read or b) go along with your purposeful mislynch?

If you're hiding your comment because you added "maybe" on the end, then that only confirms that you are scum for me.
A comment like that is only said when you read that person as scum. If you had me as either null or town you would have changed your comment completely.
The only reason you took it back is because I called you out and challenged you.

Confirm for me - Fire is town for you, correct?

Null with a light townlean, so pretty much yeah. I'm not taking anything back, I said maybe and phrased it as a question in the hopes of discussing the idea with folks, bringing up a new perspective on the situation. I ask questions sometimes, most people do. It tends to be better than assuming you're always right.

[Shaziro]

Guys, you should really stop arguing and vote SIW here

No!

VOTE: SummerInWonderland

Mundo is not gonna be happy.

[Shaziro]

I've said a few times that I think you're pretty genuinely unpleasant to literally everyone in any game I've seen you in. You're also always confident in all of your reads, no matter how dumb they are, sooooooooooooooo.

I haven't seen much from Fire to base a read on, other than the fact that he's pushing SIW hard, but I don't believe his vote is on her. Which is really my only reservation. If I felt strongly that you were scum, then yes, I'd assume Fire was towny as hell. But I don't feel strongly that you're scum, because again, you're about this unpleasant as a general rule. Me being willing to let my reads change is something you think is scummy, I guess? That's the best I could understand. I think that's stupid as hell. You've apparently decided that your playstyle is to assume you're right, push hard on everything you decide looks vaguely scummy, and any time you're wrong just blame the other person. I think that's stupid as hell too, but that would then, assumedly, lead you to think that people who aren't willing to do that are probably scum. In reality, your preferred way of playing the game is by no means the "right" way to do it, and I would argue it's detrimental.

To sum it up, I don't care that you think I'm scum because I don't play like you do, I don't have a solid read on you or Fire, but I am comfortable with voting SummerInWonderland if you'd care to join me. Also, in case you missed it, I'm not scumreading Random anymore. So that's a thing.

[Shaziro]

Spoiler:

I understand the way this will go is that you'll ignore me and when I end up being right, you will blame it all on me.

When have you ever been right in any game?

Figured out Katsuki was scum in UT's UPick. No one listened to me.

Probably because 95% of the time (when you actually post) you are wrong.
It's a policy ignore.

Vedith, lose the condescending crap.

Won't happen.

It's too late to ask for you to be WotCed out. I'll settle for the second best way to not deal with you being more angrily, stubbornly wrong than a Fox News presenter.

I don't really care on your opinion to be honest. You don't worry me in the slightest.

You is worse imo. When you stop pretending you aren't wrong if you are then we can talk.

I mean, we can just not talk... I'm okay with that option!

I feel stupid.

Voting Yume is an opsonist fuccboi vote.
Just vote up Fire. Anyone that's played with him as scum should know that he is scum here 100%.

Here's a selection from this game. There are more, but I can't share them.

[Shaziro]

My reason is 100% legitimate, but you desperately want me offed before I get to a point where I can prove it's legitimacy. Still not sure if it's ego or scum though.

[Shaziro]

Literally cannot give them atm. And you know that.

[Shaziro]

Also, Hippy! Get in here at some point and read my ISO, I said a thing literally specifically for you to see and understand.

[Shaziro]

There's a difference between situations in which you're being unpleasant to play with, and situations where your actions are likely scum motivated. You asked for situations you were being unpleasant to people. Now that I answered you, you're moving the goalposts.

[Shaziro]

Literally cannot give them atm. And you know that.

So all you have is that 1 situation where I got annoyed that Yume does that every single game I'm in with her?
And because of that, you don't like any of my play in this game?

Basically, you just fucked up and gave such a fake read!

No, I told you that you're unpleasant to be around and you're trying to argue that I think you're scum because you're unpleasant. Which is just untrue. I've said several times now that I literally can't give the other scenarios you've been unpleasant to people that made me come to the conclusion that you're unpleasant. I don't know what you expect me to do, break site rules?

[Shaziro]

I'm phoneposting, so I'm not gonna get into the full explanation right now. When I get back from Pokemon go adventures I'll gladly do the thing. Until then, for real, find the thing I'm talking about. It is very useful to you and you're the only one I think would get it.

[Shaziro]

At that point I was suggesting that Vedith might be a mason. I discarded that theory later in. I hinted at it to get her to chill without shouting it to the heavens if I was right.

[Shaziro]

He's right it is hypocritical for me to not have explained. I'll fix it tonight

[Shaziro]

Oh hey I'm here now. I'm about set to shiv FB but I think that's town and just needs some farm to take this head on. If Yume is claiming Annie, whatever they are (including town or scum) they are either very powerful because mod loves Annie, or very weak because mod wants to avoid playing favorites. Vedith, I was asking about when I told Yume to read between the lines of what she'd just said, but that might be irrelevant now.

ANOTHER WEIRD INTERACTION BETWEEN SHAZYUME

This proves your last statement was a lie hiplop.

[Shaziro]

I don't like the push on rando one bit, WHY would he claim that at this point, I dont see any reason as scum...
yea i have seem scum claim weird stuff for the sake of it before but this does not seem like that at all and I read it as very towny.
shaz is still voting that and I can't see good reason to stick with that. why?
@hiplop I am assuming you want these farm votes for good reasons
VOTE:

hiplop

Right, first things first. She thinks something is towny, and can't see a good reason to keep my vote there. My problem is, I made it clear why my vote was still there, and what it'd take to remove it. She chose to ignore that. I figured it was probably just her wanting to know my reasons and maybe she didn't see them at first, but I think even just looking back and seeing "I think you slipped, so this is where I'm most comfortable voting, prove me wrong and it'll go away" is fairly clear.

@shaziro are you town reading yume based on personality tells??

Yume appears to be more timid and careful with her posts when she's scum, from what I've seen. With Vedith's stuff she was just firing back quickly and wasn't concerned with how it appeared.

this has nothing to do with alignment?? its weak and she sits null to me
I don't like it and I don't like your tunnel on rando
VOTE: shaziro

So now she calls it a tunnel on Random. I don't know about you, but I've never seen somebody tunneling say "If you can just do some towny stuff, instead of a lot of nada, my opinion will change with that. I'm not locked into a read on you by any means". But, if she asserts that it's what is happening, folks might believe her and follow suit. Especially when in that last quote, she'd already started buddying up to Hiplop. Now, yes, town buddying up with town is an important part of the game, but I genuinely don't think she had a townread on him when he'd spent practically all of the time before that making jokes and fooling around. You can argue that fooling around is townlop, but Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy says otherwise. She also discredited my thoughts on Yume with no real argument. Just more assertion. "That has nothing to do with alignment."...okay, but why? I've shown why I think it does, why couldn't she show why she thinks it doesn't? Again, I figured it might just be that she doesn't like to explain why she reads things a certain way, I've seen an annoyingly large number of folks refuse to explain their reads, assumedly to keep their precious scumhunting secrets secret? Maybe it was just that, and she's just wrong town (Which I brought up when FB started calling her scum, because that's where I was at at the time).

Okay sorry I have been busy the few days  I do think I can give some reads though this is the best way I get my thoughts out for myself!

Town- slight town reads
Hiplop – Jess thinks MUNDO is town and you need farm for good reasons! I don’t see you acting different from town hiplop other than MUNDO is in control and I am glad I have a town read on my boyfriend! I also know a super secret way to catch you as scum hehe
Random Midget –Believe what he said about thresh being in the game and doubt he would lie about that as scum! I fail to see the motive as why scum would do that because he got heat for that? I would say this is a solid town read and I didn’t like the push on it town read
Jester- I like that you continue to question people and I think that is towny and trying to grasp thoughts. I liked your questions to shaz as well! slight town read


Shaziro- I don’t like your pushes particularly on random and then your progression with Yume. I think you are more null because you could just be wrong? I don’t like the random pushed but you pushed it super aggresivley and I think that comes more from town than scum? My mind goes back and forth with this..

Now let's talk about this post, which really started to change my mind to the scummy side of things! First off, more buddying with hiplop, as well as the "Super secret way to catch you as scum" thing, which I think is completely fiction and meant to make other people think "Oh, she knows him super well so it must be true, therefore Hiplop is town!", which would then make a townhip happier with her slot.

She's back to calling my push on Random a push, instead of tunneling. The "you got heat for it so scum wouldn't do that!" is just dumb, imo. Gambits are a thing, and if, for instance, he knew that a scum partner was Lucian and he was Thresh (or vice versa), he could make that claim, deal with the suspicion, and then ride the towncred. I'm not claiming that's what happened, as I believe the claim fairly fully now, but I think that her trying to ignore the fact that it could easily be a scum gambit is her trying to push on me for doing something "anti-town".

The Jester read is 100% where I agree with Fire about it being fake. Jester has asked me 2 questions, and one of them was garbage by -anyone's- metrics. The first was who I felt "wasn't doing so hot", basically asking me who I thought was faking a role restriction. That's fair enough, but fairly null imo. I can see how it could be seen as towny though, so that's not my problem. The second was him asking me if it was "a bit early for a chainsaw". Because he missed that I was voting to give him farm, not to lynch him. That was clarified fairly quickly, and I don't see any way that misunderstanding could be read as any kind of alignment. So the "questions to shaz" she liked amounted to "who do you think is a fake post restriction?" and "LOL WAY TO CHAINSA- what? Oh. Nevermind". That read is fake as all hell.

Lastly, she does the non-commital fence read on me. I sit on the fence a lot too, especially when I start playing devil's advocate, and I understand that it's not a bad thing. But I -don't- like that Vedith gave -me- hell for it, but not her. Which made me think that if he was actually scum instead of just wrong town, like I'd been wavering on him, they could be partners, and he's selectively applying "logic" to benefit scum. Firebringer was right when he pointed out that she and Vedith have the same reads, and he jumped to defend her and decry the idea of voting her. The same thing he accused FB of doing. I think Summer is the more likely of the two of them to be scum, as (like I said), Vedith rubs me the wrong way a lot of the time anyhow and could simply be angrily wrong. But if she flipped scum, I'd be sure he would. So, once I'd made those connections, I went with the vote on 'er.

Apologies for spelling/grammar fuckups, I'm tired and being powered by gas station hot dogs. But, I'm as good as my word, and I said I'd explain.

[Shaziro]

WOULD RANDO PREFER SHAZ?

Yeah

SERIOUSLY GUYS
THIS ISN'T HARD TO UNDERSTAND
YUME
DIDNT
FAKE
A
POST
RESTRICTION
SHE WAS ASKING PEOPLE ABOUT SOMETHING. SHE NEVER SAID SHE HAD TO

What he said. The last part, not the part about lynching me. She didn't ever say she had to ask about bears or whatever, apparently she just thought that she had to find whichever player was Tibbers or something.

[Shaziro]

I mean I don't even know what the hell opsonist means. It apparently has to do with cellular biology.

[Shaziro]

Seeking replacements for Shaziro and

Is that a typo, or...?

[Shaziro]

I'd rather not, I didn't ask for a replace out and I don't have a message about being force replaced?

[Shaziro]

Right, now that I know I'm still here. Want to explain the laughing? Was it just a crummy joke or did you have some kind of issue with what I said? Other than disagreeing with your reads, of course.

[Shaziro]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAKLELEEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEHAHEHHEHEHEHHAHAHAH

KEK

Yes, you. Specifically this post.

[Shaziro]

She went to place ward and got grabbed by mid-blitz who came to roam with

rengar.

!

Is this a joke about what happens when rengar hits and is near you, or should I translate again?

[Shaziro]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAKLELEEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEHAHEHHEHEHEHHAHAHAH

KEK

Yes, you. Specifically this post.

MUNDO WAS IN A GOOD MOOD

About what?

[Shaziro]

I'm open to hear it and be convinced

Words from lycan, maybe

Give me a bit of time, and I can probably give words on this.

Dwlee, content over prod dodging please.

[Shaziro]

...Why did I think you'd been in from the start and were just lurking? I'm a dumb, my apologies.

[Shaziro]

I'm rude?! He's intentionally pissing people off while faking a post restriction and lying about it, to the point people replace out. Plus his only reads are: "she's scum cause I said so, she's town cause I said so. You're scum if you don't agree". Give me a fucking break.

@hiplop no one appreciates you MUNDO !
I will be here tomorrow with my thoughts - been busy

"We're buddies now right? Teamwork, right?"

[Shaziro]

Hiplop is the only one claiming to be Mundo, and it's not likely his post restriction is real. We've got a Sona claim who has admitted to faking her post restriction, because she's doin' it just for fun.

[Shaziro]

NAI. Hiplop trolls constantly in either alignment.

[Shaziro]

^Incorrect, and useless.

[Shaziro]

Vote: Shaziro

Farm vote on jester, not on me. Thanks.

[Shaziro]

He's my biggest townread, and I don't want farm votes on me. I don't trust Hiplop, and don't want farm votes on him atm.

[Shaziro]

Two different people have two different personalities and playstyles, so I look at that differently. It's almost like that's the reasonable way to do things, instead of blanket assumptions. This is some stupid shit.

[Shaziro]

SIW you're not being pushed for being playful

Facepalm

You can push that all you want, but it's gonna fall to shit if I get lynched. Hiplop fucks around as either alignment, so I think it's NAI for him. Yume acts a certain way when scum, from what I've seen, and she wasn't doing that. Now she isn't acting -any- kind of way, she's vanished, which is annoying but hasn't changed my thought on her much. If you don't like me pointing out what I read as implied from what you said, then why not explain why that's wrong instead of complaining that I'm doing it? In this case, I think you're trying to argue that I'm being too definite and not nuanced enough with what you said? Sorry, you said that you think scum is less likely to do it because it brought attention on them. This ignores that scum -do- do things that bring attention on themselves, specifically for the "scum try to avoid attention, this is town" credit. I think it's a dumb argument to make.

[Shaziro]

The quote was just repeating what Jester said, the statements were directed to SIW.

[Shaziro]

You literally brag about how you like to fuck around in games. You do it as either alignment. Excuse me while I go get the exact quote of you bragging about fucking around in LotHS.

[Shaziro]

Post 1652 of Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy, you say

"agreed sometimes my tone doesnt come across on text all that well. Im usually just being a jokester."

That was you talking about how you'd gotten Titus mad at you by making jokes and shit, somewhat at her expense but mostly not. Now, that game you were scum. But, this attitude is also how you acted in the Marathons we played together, and you were town in at least one of them that comes to mind, the one in which you were Kirby. You make jokes and fuck around, no matter your alignment.

[Shaziro]

Did you not literally just argue that me saying hiplop trolling is NAI is bad because I thought the way Yume was acting was not NAI?

[Shaziro]

Spoiler:

well, picking mundo is like picking a post restriction....

MUNDO THINK YOUR BAD PLAY IS A POST RESTRICTION

SISSY

EKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKKKEKEKEKEKEKHBEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHE

sorry you are the biggest scrub of them all!

MUNDO THINK YOU ARE VERY PRETTY

HEHEHEHHEHEAHHAHAHAHHEHEHEHAHKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEK

KEK

KEKEKEKEKEK

MUNDO THINK FIREBRINGER THE SECOND MOST ATTRACTIVE PLAYER IN GAME

MUNDO DIDNT SAY WHO NUMBER ONE WAS

DOES DRAGON WANT TO BRAWL WITH MUNDO

MUNDO WILL BRAWL WITH DRAGON

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAKLELEEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEHAHEHHEHEHEHHAHAHAH

KEK

Above, trolling and fucking around. Also, can you please just quit the post restriction shit? Like, if you can literally just get away with it by adding the word "mundo" at the end, it's either a really badly worded restriction, or obviously fake.

[Shaziro]

I think I already am, but just in case....

VOTE: hiplop

FORGOT TO ITALICIZE THAT

^ towny

NAI. Hiplop trolls constantly in either alignment.

That's not the point I was making at all. I was saying that you doing that shit wasn't alignment indicative. Summer popped in and, so far as I read it, said that I was wrong to say you trolling and joking was NAI but Yume acting more open and talkative (at the time) was more her towngame than her scumgame. I was arguing the one side of that I -can- argue right now, that yes the way you are acting -is- NAI. I can't argue the Yume bit atm, same as I told Vedith when he was desperately trying to push me to.

Your trolling stuff can get on my nerves about as much as anybody else, but it's not exactly game ruining. S'just you being a dork.

[Shaziro]

So you're arguing the same thing I am, but that Yume's actions are NAI and not Towny like I think they are. That's fine, I literally can't prove my Yume read at the moment, so you're just having to trust me by my word. I get that that means approximately squat, that's fine too. Doesn't mean I'm gonna not argue against lynching 'er. I'd also really rather not be lynched, but if you could lynch me and give the farm vote to literally anyone other than hiplop, I'd be more ok with it.

[Shaziro]

I'm at L-2, hippy is at L-3 now.

[Shaziro]

Hi there, I'm alive again. Why is -anyone- freaking out about hammering vote? Read the rules, y'all. Neither vote goes through until -both- are hammered.

[Shaziro]

Nevermind, rules say hammers are final.

@MOD: By Hammers are final, do you mean that once a vote reaches hammer it cannot go back down, even if the other vote isn't at hammer, or that once both reach hammer it locks down?

[Shaziro]

Also, unfortunately the majority of my reason for Yume not being scum is in the scum chat of http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66931, Which is currently set to stay private. Yume gets very nervous as scum, though, and doesn't do anything without permission from her scumbuddies in that game. She was overly careful and slow to react to -everything-. That doesn't seem like what she did earlier, though I don't like that she's beginning to lurk.

[Shaziro]

...That might be a good point. Hang on.

[Shaziro]

Only way I could see that being the case, tbh, is if she was scum with Vedith.

[Shaziro]

I can't say I've seen much if any of that. As it is, she isn't doing much, which is irritating. Care to trade reads? I'd like you to pick one of Jester, Summer, KTS, or Dwlee and give me your read on 'em and why. I'll do the same for you for whoever you want or anyone from a list of folks.

[Shaziro]

Jester. Do you want farm? If so, I genuinely think that's the best spot to put it. If not, I'd be okay with giving it to the guy who Dweebles when he Dwobbles but he won't fall down. (That's Dwlee)

[Shaziro]

And that's Graves, you say?

Farmvote: Dwlee99

[Shaziro]

I'd rather Dwlee get it. Call it a hunch.

[Shaziro]

Fuck's sake, I fell asleep and woke up to this. Okay, this farm is going to Jester.

VOTE: The_Jester

Yume might be scum but I think this is just town flailing. It's gross, but that's about it.

LLD, -please- don't give your vote to Hiplop this time. Literally anyone else but him and Summer.

[Shaziro]

But you're assuming it isn't just that godawful "I play to stay alive and keep playing, that's the best way for town to win" shit. I don't know. I don't know Yume's town game, I know her scum game, and this doesn't look like it so far.

P-edit: Okay, yeah, that's scummy. Town would be more concerned with what their flip would do to people's reads, and helping them make the connections that their flip should form. Scum just wants to throw out the "you aren't even considering me as town!" shit to try and dissuade people. That along with the fact that claiming vengeful to discourage your lynch...instead of just letting scum hammer and die...yeah. I'm okay with this dying.

[Shaziro]

Shaziro: vengeful isn't a role easily given to town because it punishes the mafia for successfully mislynching. Vengeful bomb is all kinds of powerful.

Not to mention, she claims to

have RB+Vengeful+Bomb at level 1

. She's overloaded with power or lying. She's confirmed scum.

And you failed the test. 2nd scum found.

Care to explain?

[Shaziro]

We all have proof he's faking the post restriction, but he's toning the stupid shit down so I'm somewhat more okay with it.

[Shaziro]

I could agree with Lycan too, Rando isn't the worst idea in the world but not my preference.

[Shaziro]

Partly because he is my biggest townread, partly because I think I saw something.

[Shaziro]

What do y'all think, give her the farm?

[Shaziro]

Hiplop what is the penalty of failing your post restriction?

[Shaziro]

You literally do fuck about in games, and I showed that. I wasn't discrediting your genuine reads, despite you being wrong about me, but I -was- saying the jokes and shit aren't something to read you on. You're also ignoring the game you tunneled me hard in...because you were scum. And the game that you immediately scumread me and got me mislynched in, which was a marathon.

[Shaziro]

I said both of those things. I'd also like to know why you're trying to go back to arguing about me saying (correctly) that you joke around and fuck about in games as either alignment.

[Shaziro]

I meant the funny one.

[Shaziro]

Trolling can be good or bad. Hippy does it to be funny. He both goofs off and plays the game, and I was literally only saying that the goofing off is not alignment indicative, as he does it as both alignments. It's part of his personality.

[Shaziro]

fwiw jess caught him there too

Ahh I remember this!

(pretty sure some cross over points to this)

I don't get what you mean by this bit in parenthesis.

That said, in that game you two were a hydra...so yeah, you did both catch us as scum...but it wasn't just me, it was myself and Clumsy. You should know better than to assume that I play the same on my own as I would when hydraing with a more experienced player.

[Shaziro]

I'm saying the way I interpreted it.

[Shaziro]

I don't know if I understand you right, summer. If you think I'm interpreting wrong, then explain why instead of complaining that I'm wrong without correcting me. Honestly I said the same thing I'd say to bins as I would as town, it was some AtE crap and I wasn't a fan of it.

NAI is non-alignment indicative. AKA null. Yes you can post whatever in twilight, and vote for farm.

[Shaziro]

Then what is the problem?

[Shaziro]

Basic, I don't believe you commented any on my case for Yume town when it actually did come up, did you see that? I saw you do a lot of "WHERE'S THE CASE?" which was reasonable, and I saw that you've stopped scumreading me (also reasonable), but you didn't actually mention the case.

[Shaziro]

I'm sure I've asked this and been answered somewhere else, but what does IIoA mean?

[Shaziro]

Also, unfortunately the majority of my reason for Yume not being scum is in the scum chat of http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66931, Which is currently set to stay private. Yume gets very nervous as scum, though, and doesn't do anything without permission from her scumbuddies in that game. She was overly careful and slow to react to -everything-. That doesn't seem like what she did earlier, though I don't like that she's beginning to lurk.

This. Then, when hippy compared the way she was acting to how she acted toward Spiffeh in Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy (LOTHS), I said only if she was scum with Vedith, because in LotHS she basically went all out trying to get hiplop, her scumpartner, lynched...because he upset her in their scum pt. Since she'd gone all out on Vedith here, I could see that comparison. As for the Spiffeh comparison, I don't think she was trying to set up an obvious partner connection with anyone this game like she was there. In LotHS she started shouting about "THE ERRANDS" whenever hip asked her to set up a false association.

Long story short, I don't think that was Yume's scumgame because in Hunger Games mafia I got an up close look at her scumgame, and she acted differently. I couldn't say anything at the time because the game was in it's final days, but it was still ongoing. Vedith demanding I give it after specifically saying that I couldn't annoyed the hell out of me because I'd made it fairly clear that it was an ongoing game, and I'm not a huge fan of folks trying to get me to break site rules or be called "Fake".

[Shaziro]

Also, I knew I'd heard that acronym somewhere. Yeah, long catchup posts like that tend to be a lot of info over analysis because the person is doing just that, catching up. I like some of the analysis she did though, and we have a similar thought process, so I am even happier in my townread there.

[Shaziro]

You do that, KTS.

Hiplop, again, would you mind stating and explaining your read on KTS, Yume, or Jester? Like I said before, I'd be willing to do the same for you if you'd like.

[Shaziro]

Okay, please explain why you think KTS is town in the morning then, hiplop.

Meanwhile, yes I have issues with random getting farm. I want it on jester.

[Shaziro]

Because I want it there? For christ's sake Hiplop.

[Shaziro]

I want it on my strongest townread, rando may well be town and if it comes to deadline I'll put it to rando before giving it to nobody. But I prefer Jester, he's super towny to me.

[Shaziro]

I am also starting to think shaz-town.

...Really? Because this is quite a change from...

@hiplop thoughts? I called him scum to you that game as soon as I saw it and it is happened to me in this game.

worth looking into. I Do think hes scum, probably

You telling Summer you felt I was probably scum literally last night

Also, I knew I'd heard that acronym somewhere. Yeah, long catchup posts like that tend to be a lot of info over analysis because the person is doing just that, catching up. I like some of the analysis she did though, and we have a similar thought process, so I am even happier in my townread there.

Anyome who doesnt see that shaz/yume are seriously intertwimed is lost

You saying that me and your "confscum" are associated with one another, which either means you think I'm scum and so is she, or that you think we're both town. Did I miss something here? This was like 2 hours ago?

the mm/basic are 100% connected

Shaz looks like he might also be.

The awkward bus in the middle of basic's post is particularly alarming.

So add MM to either having to be scum with yumeslot and I, or all of us are town? Like an hour ago?

Shaz, why isnt rando town?

pedit: irrelevant. We want it on town. I'm not entirely convinced jester is town + a whole lotta people really want it for ambigious reasons. Not good. Its very dangerous IMO

And this is your change from "too many confscum support it". So you think I might be town, but Yume's slot is definitely scum, but the two of us are linked. And then so is MM. And who were the "too many confscum" on the giving jester farm wagon? Hiplop, it seems to me your reads are changing around pretty quickly depending on where the winds are blowing. Which is scummy as fuck, imo.

[Shaziro]

I really wish people would stop seeing "flexibility" as a scum thing

This is not the response I was expecting. Give me a moment to check...

[Shaziro]

It was Vedith and Jester who gave me shit for being middleground-y and willing to change reads, and you weren't any part of it. For some reason I thought you were, and were being a hypocrite.

VOTE: randommidget

[Shaziro]

good boy

Never say this shit to me.

[Shaziro]

I'm serious, hiplop.

[Shaziro]

LLD, who did you give your vote to?

[Shaziro]

Swear to God if you gave Hiplop your vote.

[Shaziro]

Why are you scumreading Jester again?

[Shaziro]

I think I'd have preferred it on Random, at this point. Which makes me sad inside, but still. Either way, that's not a bad place to put it. Is that post your only reason, hippy?

P-Edit: Oh hey more stuff! Yeah the soft claim -was- weird and I have no clue what to make of it. I'll look back at his pressure reactions. I also think faking post restrictions is dumb, is that one of the reasons I'm not "unlynchable" to you?

[Shaziro]

I mean in that case, the reason was to get you off our case whether we were town or scum. But I see what you mean. Also, what was your post restriction plan, then?

[Shaziro]

VOTE: Killthestory

I can go here!

[Shaziro]

The assumption being that the scum figured they couldn't get any support for his lynch once I'd started townreading him too? Because no more wrongtown support?

[Shaziro]

The assumption being that the scum figured they couldn't get any support for his lynch once I'd started townreading him too? Because no more wrongtown support?

Answer this and then give me your thoughts on Clyde, Bonnie?

[Shaziro]

Is that why you feel Random was attacked by scum and MM died protecting him?

[Shaziro]

You assume that all PRs get a power at level 2 then?

[Shaziro]

Hippy do you have a level 2 ability or a level 3?

[Shaziro]

Give random the farm.

VOTE: randommidget

[Shaziro]

Lycan, can you explain a little bit what that connection between us means? I hoped we'd get a PT or something but it doesn't seem so.

[Shaziro]

I don't see you as that obviously town, actually.

[Shaziro]

No, because you tunneled the shit out of me, and the last time you did that while I was town, you were scum.

[Shaziro]

The only time we've both been town and you've tunneled me is in a marathon. You said yourself, marathons obviously don't count. I know I'm not scum. That suggests that you could be. I'm townleaning you, for sure, but you're by no means obvtown. You also faked a post restriction so obnoxious that Fire replaced out.

[Shaziro]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Poisoner

[Shaziro]

If he's a poisoner, you'd die anyhow.

[Shaziro]

I have no level 1.

[Shaziro]

I would lynch Hiplop, Summer or KTS.

Frankly.

[Shaziro]

So Maestro is claiming to have been silenced.

[Shaziro]

I can see two reasons to mute a lurker. Either A: You're hoping people will assume they're faking it and lynch them or B: You know that they're some kind of investigative, and think they know something you don't want them saying.

Given that it seems everybody's PR capability comes from getting farm, I genuinely doubt it's the latter. The former is more likely. Thoughts?

[Shaziro]

Ok but the Black Mist is from the Harrowing event. I don't believe it's a champion ability.

[Shaziro]

Champions with silence: Blitzcrank ult, Cho'Gath w, Fiddlesticks q, Garen q, Malzahar q, Soraka e, Rumble passively when he overheats (on himself).

This from the League Wiki, mind.

[Shaziro]

Exactly my point. I think it's bullshit.

[Shaziro]

Are we trying to rush Dwlee to 5 then?

[Shaziro]

Then I vote we give day farm to LLD, and night farm to random.

[Shaziro]

I've played the town Lich King in an RC game before. Alignments are 100% randomized, I guarantee it.

[Shaziro]

Yeah, champs like TF, Sivir, etc who had in their backstory betrayed somebody had a black mist on their icons. But I don't believe that in a game where RC won't allow Bah posting, he -would- allow talking through votes.

VOTE: Maestro

[Shaziro]

At that time in the lore, he had. That's irrelevant to the topic at hand, unless Maestro is claiming TF.

[Shaziro]

shaz the man

?

[Shaziro]

Except hiplop faked a post restriction, not a PR.

[Shaziro]

Yeah no, that was just a shitty annoyance that caused somebody to replace out.

[Shaziro]

I also specifically said that he was faking his post restriction, just like I'm doing with you now. You're the one deciding to sling insults. Know who else had no reason to fake? LLD and Hiplop. You're bullshitting.

[Shaziro]

I was hsing pr to be UNDER THE RADAR tyvm

I mean in that case, the reason was to get you off our case whether we were town or scum. But I see what you mean. Also, what was your post restriction plan, then?

best way to survive to day 2 is to make people think youre lynchable by casting suspicion on yourself

I am not mundo

Which was it? Were you trying to go under the radar, or cast suspicion on yourself?
I'd be fine with lynching this slot too.

[Shaziro]

Start working to explain why you were silenced.

[Shaziro]

The rest of us are discussing reasons, motive, and likelihood. You are sitting back and letting it go. Participate instead of trying to find excuses to lurk.

[Shaziro]

...hiplop why do you know maestro is town?

[Shaziro]

If its a townrole and a townperson used it...they should be modkilled for against wincon

No way in hell this guy is town

Why would it be against wincon for a towny to silence him during day unless he was town? You're talking like you know he is town. You slipped, bad.

VOTE: hiplop

[Shaziro]

So you are arguing that the reason you said it was mod kill worthy was...the mod put in an anti town role. Yeah no.

[Shaziro]

Are you going to explain why it looks scummy, hiplop?

[Shaziro]

The issue is, you could easily be setting up a mislynch so that next day phase the people who visited you die as well as the mislynch, and you're trading 3 for one. Which is pretty good for scum. And you distinctly did outright say that silencing Maestro, as town, would be anti town. You outright said you knew Maestro was town. And then when I called you out on it, you let off a rapid fire series of posts as more reasons to argue back came to mind for you, because you were making them up imo.