Mini 1813 - Overwatch Mafia! TOWN WINS

[Wake1]

I'll review the game momentarily.

[Wake1]

For the record, I'm currently Townreading podoboq based on past experience.

[Wake1]

Does anyone else question the four fast votes on doctorpepper?

[Wake1]

Not really seeing the 10-3 anymore after recent events.

Could you please clarify this?

[Wake1]

@Wake: I'm leaning town on podo and DGB atm so I don't have a huge problem with it.

Thoughts on the other two votes?

[Wake1]

Not really seeing the 10-3 anymore after recent events.

Could you please clarify this?

Randomidget was yelling about getting votes from the get-go and Tracer is also adamant on being lynched. They

could

be coincidences, but I think a third party of some sort could be involved.

How exactly does that shift the idea of 10-3 to something else?

[Wake1]

Lastly Foxbird are you voting Tracer because she's asking or for some other reason?

[Wake1]

@wake I try not to read wagn speed as anything, because normally it is nothing. Do you think the speed makes them likely town?

A better word is resistance, or lack thereof; it's something to pay mind to.

[Wake1]

Depends on the level, the timing, the people, the situation, etc.

[Wake1]

UNVOTE: The Engineer

?

People are townreading him. I don't know why, I would like clarification on that(I'm pretty sure someone else asked), but for the moment, I'm retracting my vote because I see no reason why he might be scum, and apparently others see reason why he's not.

Could you repeat this with more detail?

[Wake1]

I'm trying to burn my 1-shot deathproof with one hell of a twist.

What you should do is disclose exactly what your ability is.

[Wake1]

I'm trying to burn my 1-shot deathproof with one hell of a twist.

What you should do is disclose exactly what your ability is.

If my deathproof is used by a mafia kill I turn into a mafia traitor.

Now you know why I want to get lynched today.

Yes that means I also have a mafia win condition in my role PM lol

(It's worded like there is a potential third party.)

Meaning if Scum targets you with the NK?

[Wake1]

Foxbird is town

Too early.

[Wake1]

I've not voted anyone.

[Wake1]

I've not voted anyone.

Fix that and vote me then.

If I vote you, it will be the hammer.

[Wake1]

I've not voted anyone.

Fix that and vote me then.

If I vote you, it will be the hammer.

I have 4 votes on me and it's 7 to lynch.

Yes?

[Wake1]

We must lynch her, because if we don't and she's honest they will NK and convert her Night 1.

[Wake1]

We must lynch her, because if we don't and she's honest they will NK and convert her Night 1.

My vote is on her. I want a plan going forward.

I'm thinking that after Tracer is lynched and we have a Night 1 flip the game will resume naturally.

[Wake1]

If I vote you Tracer, will you hammer?

[Wake1]

VOTE: Tracer

[Wake1]

No to the first, and as for the second I'm Town.

[Wake1]

Final thoughts Tracer?

[Wake1]

Well, now we'll have no idea if she's good or evil. At least we can be moderately sure that you two will be the same alignment after today. So who should we lynch tomorrow? I think Wake or Tracer.

Have you been reading the game?

[Wake1]

Don't have much really aside from what I've said in thread, well except I sorta townread DGB I guess.
I had to rush a claim because DP wagon was building too fast.

Could you share quick thoughts on everyone else?

[Wake1]

Before that, why did you hammer me after I told you not to hammer me?

Because things don't always work out as planned.

[Wake1]

Knowing that I am Town, I don't understand how Tracer is still alive.

[Wake1]

Who is Turret/Torbjorn?

[Wake1]

Mechanically we have to lynch wake today.

@Mod if scum lynched a person who sides with scum if killed will that person become scum aligned?

Please explain this.

[Wake1]

Knowing that I am Town, I don't understand how Tracer is still alive.

That's not how it works.

From my position it certainly is Genji.

[Wake1]

Tracer said she feared being NK'd by Scum, but I'm Town; lynching isn't the same as being NK'd.

[Wake1]

Mechanically we have to lynch wake today.

@Mod if scum lynched a person who sides with scum if killed will that person become scum aligned?

Please explain this.

Scum would want to lynch tracer if it makes them scum aligned. Please explain again why you didn't let tracer hammer?

I think Tracer is lying, because my role PM is Town.

[Wake1]

Mechanically we have to lynch wake today.

@Mod if scum lynched a person who sides with scum if killed will that person become scum aligned?

Please explain this.

Please explain again why you didn't let tracer hammer?

Because I can't trust people to make what seemed like the smart decision Day 1.

[Wake1]

Mechanically we have to lynch wake today.

@Mod if scum lynched a person who sides with scum if killed will that person become scum aligned?

Please explain this.

Scum would want to lynch tracer if it makes them scum aligned. Please explain again why you didn't let tracer hammer?

I think Tracer is lying, because my role PM is Town.

You think tracer is or was scum?

Actually, I don't think she is either: her fear was of being converted from a Scum NK yet I am Town.

[Wake1]

Mechanically we have to lynch wake today.

@Mod if scum lynched a person who sides with scum if killed will that person become scum aligned?

Please explain this.

Scum would want to lynch tracer if it makes them scum aligned. Please explain again why you didn't let tracer hammer?

I think Tracer is lying, because my role PM is Town.

This is a non explanation, which makes me question you further on your motivations.

What else can I say besides she's lying?

[Wake1]

I need Tracer to come in and explain herself, because she shouldn't be alive right now and she certainly didn't mention anything about not being able to die from a lynch.

[Wake1]

At this point, I don't think Tracer is Town.

[Wake1]

In fact, she should be lynched: if again she doesn't die from being hung... well wtf.

[Wake1]

I need Tracer to come in and explain herself, because she shouldn't be alive right now and she certainly didn't mention anything about not being able to die from a lynch.

She mentioned killing attempts converting her, by her reasoning we should lynch her again to COnFIRM your alignment, do you disagree?

She said nothing about being hung; I do not understand one bit why she's still alive, but I am in favor of lynching her again to figure out what is going on.

[Wake1]

Why would she fear of being turned if she wasn't neutral or town aligned to begin with? Can you explain why scum would do this sort of action, which is highly unorthordox so that they could hammer self?

Do you still think tracer is lying about alignment?

Honestly, I don't understand what's happening.

[Wake1]

I need Tracer to come in and explain herself, because she shouldn't be alive right now and she certainly didn't mention anything about not being able to die from a lynch.

Yes she did.

Where?

[Wake1]

She made it explicit that she's deathproof, not night immune. She is saved from the first kill of any sort, and said that getting lynched (by town, assumedly) would convert her to complete town.

Where are you reading this?

[Wake1]

This is what I am getting at why didn't you at least let tracer have a chance at self hammer, you didn't at all.
If tracer avoided it I would understand more but you just took it. I am trying to understand your actions more.

As Town you don't always have to have a reason for doing things; I already explained why I hammered, because too often Town tries to walk out of doing the right move.

[Wake1]

I also want to understand the NAR of this game: Vonflare, is 'conversion' a factional ability that can be done at the same time as a factional NK?

[Wake1]

she certainly didn't mention anything about not being able to die from a lynch.

I'm trying to burn my 1-shot deathproof with one hell of a twist.

I'm trying to burn my 1-shot deathproof

1-shot deathproof

I did say that I won't die. I just lock in my alignment as town.

That there's a possobility that I LIED and I will be lynched?

I remember asking you for specifics about the deathproof, but you couldn't clarify if that meant being lynched.

[Wake1]

Tracer and Wake are both town.
So let's move on.

Can you explain this in more detail I can't tell wakes motivations right now.
I think tracers are clear.

Until I hear from Vonflare about what exactly the rules are, I can't assume Tracer is Town.

[Wake1]

Meaning, if conversion happens upon a NK... why is DGB dead?

[Wake1]

Tracer and Wake are both town.
So let's move on.

Can you explain this in more detail I can't tell wakes motivations right now.
I think tracers are clear.

No, I can't.
Both are town though.
So what about this vote on day start..

If you're Town frankly that's not very subtle.

[Wake1]

If Tracer were converted by a NK, then DGB's death means there's another killing faction/player out there.

[Wake1]

I am lost wasn't dgb replacing the person claiming to be Tracer character?

I am Tracer, flavor-wise.

[Wake1]

Vedith, if you can't explain it I am at s loss of words I don't know how to take all this information and I can't just take your words for fact.

It's obvious that both are town. If you don't know why then I question your align.

How so, if you don't mind.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Tracer

[Wake1]

Vedith, if you can't explain it I am at s loss of words I don't know how to take all this information and I can't just take your words for fact.

It's obvious that both are town. If you don't know why then I question your align.

No it's not; if Tracer flips Scum I'm thinking we should lynch Vedith.

[Wake1]

Wake you realize if tracer is telling the truth and flips town you are eating s night kill? I am hesitant on this?

If she were Town presumably honest Day 1 about fear of being NK'd Night 1 and converted, there's a possibility she was NK'd/converted Night 1.

[Wake1]

This is honestly difficult for me right now. I am going to need some alcohol to analyze this all.
Wake what's your reads at?

I don't do Reads Lists, and will provide my thoughts as and when I want.

[Wake1]

Why would you vote tracer over me?

Who said that?

[Wake1]

None of you are making any sense.

Then maybe you should start by trusting me.

[Wake1]

I'm calling tracer town. In this scenario Tracer can only be scum if I am, right?

I'm not; as for the second that wasn't said.

[Wake1]

...Vedith & Genji?

[Wake1]

Lynching tracer again is the best mechanical lead, but I would like to be a better player without using mechanics, which I use too much.

...meaning what?

[Wake1]

I'm not going to bother explaining this again after this because I think I was very clear on what my thing does.

The whole point of lynching me Day 1 was to burn off my 1-shot deathproof, which had the "death by scum = traitor" mechanic with it. I wanted to hammer myself JUST IN CASE scum hammering counts as scum killing me. Now that I was lynched (meaning, I reached the condition of dying), my deathproof is gone (which was used automatically to save myself) and now I'm just a normal gal without a deathproof. Capiche?

What exactly does any of that have to do with your risk of conversion being deleted?

[Wake1]

Lynching tracer again is the best mechanical lead, but I would like to be a better player without using mechanics, which I use too much.

...meaning what?

Meaning I want to lynch the person I have scum read on over a mechanical lynch.

Meaning you now have reservations about lynching Tracer.

[Wake1]

See, I'm beginning to think Scum did convert her, and am paying close attention to whoever 'suddenly' wants to keep her alive now: you can understand I'm sure.

[Wake1]

I'm not going to bother explaining this again after this because I think I was very clear on what my thing does.

The whole point of lynching me Day 1 was to burn off my 1-shot deathproof, which had the "death by scum = traitor" mechanic with it. I wanted to hammer myself JUST IN CASE scum hammering counts as scum killing me. Now that I was lynched (meaning, I reached the condition of dying), my deathproof is gone (which was used automatically to save myself) and now I'm just a normal gal without a deathproof. Capiche?

That doesn't say anything about you being deathproof and not being converted by Scum during the Night.

[Wake1]

We need to lynch Tracer to be certain: especially now that her alignment is in question.

[Wake1]

The ability is called Mech.

If I die, I come back to life. If my death was caused by mafia faction, I turn into mafia traitor. This ignores roleblock and a strongman kill.

So yeah. It activates on my lynch too.

Knowing what I know (being Town) you couldn't have been converted... but... I don't know if you're lying.

[Wake1]

I'm going to reread your Day 1 posts. My fear is you were honest then, but not so now.

[Wake1]

I did say that I won't die. I just lock in my alignment as town.

If you're Town, this means I am Town (this, of course, hinges on whether or not hammers count when it comes to conversion).

[Wake1]

Any kill as long as scum did it..

Vonflare, could you clarify if this includes lynching?

[Wake1]

Anyway, DP why do you think that Turret is from town?

'Anyway?'

[Wake1]

I can't give out any information about players' roles.

How about mechanics?

[Wake1]

What's your rationale Vedith?

[Wake1]

Sorry, but you won't be lynching me today.

[Wake1]

Knowing that I'm Town, and if Tracer is in fact still Town, then she's Town and is not to be lynched.

[Wake1]

As Tracer clarified via mod, hammers can't change her alignment; that you consider it Scummy causes me to wonder about you randomidget, and I think we're a proper explanation.

[Wake1]

Knowing that I'm Town, and if Tracer is in fact still Town, then she's Town and is not to be lynched.

So, if not you or Tracer, where else should we look?

Tentatively, I'm trusting Tracer; I need to understand why exactly DGB was killed.

[Wake1]

Either because they are a strong player or because they had good reads.

I'd be inclined to think the former since good reads Day 1 are unlikely... but if it is the former it would indicate someone who knows she is strong is likely Scum.

[Wake1]

I honestly think anyone in the list is capable of just getting DGB killed D1

Why?

[Wake1]

>>> Tracer wanted to be hammered.
>>> Tracer was hammered by Town.
>>> Someone calls hammer a bad move?

[Wake1]

Let's just say lynching me would be a mistake.

[Wake1]

>>> Tracer wanted to be

self

hammered.
>>> Tracer was hammered by

Town

someone who was not Tracer (player)

.
>>> Someone calls hammer a bad move?

Fixed that for you, love.

Well now you're just flirting.

[Wake1]

Let's play a game.

Town

• Wake88
  
• podoboq
  
• Vedith
  
• Tracer
  
• Peter Elrich Pines
  
• The Engineer
  
• Shadow_Step
  
• Foxbird

Leftovers

• genji
  
• inte
  
• DoctorPepper
  
• randomidget

Murdered Brutally

• DGB

Elrich twinges my gut.

[Wake1]

Meh.

[Wake1]

[quote="In post 466, podoboq"I feel like that's beneath him, but hey, maybe I don't know Wake as well as I thought I did.[/quote]

You don't.

[Wake1]

Attempting to meta me will be fruitless.

[Wake1]

UNVOTE: Tracer

[Wake1]

Who are we willing to lynch today?

[Wake1]

>>> Tracer wanted to be hammered.
>>> Tracer was hammered by Town.
>>> Someone calls hammer a bad move?

You really should have let Tracer self hammer.

This. And Wake, you keep pushing this idea that youre town and we have no way of confirming that idea. Just stop. This is why you are scum read

From my perspective I know I'm Town and that my hammering of Tracer doesn't mean I'm Scum, nor is that action in itself indicative of alignment just because she wanted to hammer herself. Things don't happen just because you say out loud they're going to happen that way. If you think hammering her is somehow AI I urge you to bring to the table some sort of rationale behind it. Otherwise, while you're here, you should really,

really

go into detail why you're Scumreading me. I've read my Role PM, and because I have I know I'm Town, so I'm not going to play you're little game where you pretend to Scumread me because I dare affirm what I already know. I will run you through over this if you want to go down that way.

[Wake1]

If I were Scum and I knew of how good she apparently is at the game of course I would take the shot.

Lucky for all of you I'm Town.

I can understand DP's concern on this.

[Wake1]

If I were Scum and I knew of how good she apparently is at the game of course I would take the shot.

Lucky for all of you I'm Town.

I can understand DP's concern on this.

I wouldn't, she wasn't massively townread

Her not being massively Townread at that specific time to you or anyone else in no way means she's neither a threat to Scum nor something opposite of an experienced and apparently strong player.

I'll forgive this first instance of misunderstanding me.

[Wake1]

I wonder if Genji is keen on revealing who he is, so we can check his meta.

[Wake1]

But would it hurt you?

[Wake1]

See, I'm fine with that.

[Wake1]

Well maybe I will feel like discussing that later, perhaps I will slip. Unlikely as that is.

Now, whats your thoughts on randomidget?

He's wrong about my alignment, but something tells me he's usually wrong about things.

NAI.

Gut?

He's in the Null zone at the moment.

[Wake1]

Here we go again.

[Wake1]

For the sake of clarity Tracer could you paraphrase the exact details of your Role PM for us?

[Wake1]

Where is everyone?

[Wake1]

I'd be open to voting randommidget.

[Wake1]

I'm here. Busy. Will be reading through in a little while.

[Wake1]

I guess Vedith likes rope.

[Wake1]

Serra

,

Genji

,

Tracer

,

Foxbird

: Would you be open to a Vedith lynch and, if not, could you expand on why?

VOTE: Vedith

[Wake1]

I forgot your existence.

[Wake1]

No one hammer until I get a chance to respond.

[Wake1]

Foxbird and Serra were kinda quick to change their votes...

[Wake1]

Foxbird and Serra were kinda quick to change their votes...

..I wasn't even voting anyone before?

It wasn't really about changing votes but the 'ah checked your ISO vote Vedith' thing that just seemed to happen a bit too quick for me to not notice it.

[Wake1]

And I suppose you think we just shouldn't ask any questions?

[Wake1]

Disclaimer: If there are 2 NKs Night 2 then Tracer is Scum.

[Wake1]

Disclaimer: If there are 3 NKs Night 2 then Wake88 is Scum.

Nice deflection.

[Wake1]

Has he claimed?

[Wake1]

V/LA until 8/17/16.

[Wake1]

Genji feels Town, but I'm feeling really, really paranoid about that.

Willing to move to Vedith or DoctorPepper.

Not sure about randomidget.

Tracer I'm hoping/praying is Town, but if she keeps surviving I'm going to start feeling paranoid.

I don't know about Shadow, Engineer, or Serra. I really don't have any prior experience with them tbh.

xkyfu and Foxbird I wasn't even aware of.

Podoboq? I'm also having a tough time with that one.

[Wake1]

Hello?

Is this game primarily lurkers?

[Wake1]

What we need is an updated VC.

[Wake1]

Vonflare, do you know what our deadline is?

I'm fine with a DP lynch.

VOTE: DP

[Wake1]

Thanks.

[Wake1]

Who is holding up the DP lynch?

[Wake1]

WAIT, was there just a Daykill?

LOL.

[Wake1]

There's something I need to say.

My flavor is Tracer, and I've got two different abilities.

Recall - You are immune to non-kill actions tonight. 1-shot.
Pulse Bomb - If yesterday was a no-lynch, kill a target player. 1-shot.

I used Recall Night 2. I am able to Vig a player if we No-Lynch.

[Wake1]

So, I'm a modified Vig, and waiting for someone to take notice like a normal Townie would.

[Wake1]

Checking in. Haven't read.

What's the scoop on Foxbird?

[Wake1]

Shouldn't we have been given information on what Widowmaker entails?

[Wake1]

HOLY CRAP those two days went by fast.

[Wake1]

Oh, what's up?

[Wake1]

Leaves Genji, the Engineer and Wake.

No, it does not leave me.

If anyone stopped a NK they should out it to catch Scum.

[Wake1]

@Vedith:

Because DEEZ NUTZ

.

[Wake1]

Wait, did Scum know there was a Cop yesterday? And who/what did Tracer use Defense matrix on?

If there's a Cop wouldn't it make sense for Scum to target it to eliminate the major threat?

[Wake1]

Well, shit. I thought Rach was playing. Was just about to ask her or some reads.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Genji

[Wake1]

Well, I'm Town so there's not much else I can say. School priorities are hitting harder than I thought. Do what you want.