Mini 1837: Family Mafia (GAME OVER)

[camn]

yaaaaaaayyyy playerlist!

I am, of course, totally into a Dwlee page 1 quicklynch.

VOTE: SpicyJalapeñoKnocks

[camn]

giga's on the shortlist for culling.

[camn]

me too. Off the shortlist.

[camn]

shortlist for today's lynch:

kraska77
SpicyJalapeñoKnocks
SirCakez

[camn]

shortlist for today's lynch:

kraska77
SpicyJalapeñoKnocks
SirCakez

And how did those three earn that honor?

Its almost random, really.
AT THIS POINT in the game.. I would be OK with their lynch.

(obv its still page 1- things are very dynamic )

p-edit! NACHO!
Im sheeping you until I wanna sheep Spyrex again.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SirCakes

[camn]

oh shit no you didn't now it's on

[camn]

But I'm trying to flirt with nacho right now.....

And karaka don't you worry about what >I< am doing.
Nacho gets a day 1 pass... You don't.

[camn]

Let's keep this game tight, nacho.
I, for one, have some major Shiz to drop later in the game. So it is imperative that YOU FUCKERS DONT NIGHTKILL ME NIGHT ONE.

[camn]

omg did I sleep too long and miss my chance to hammer?

Hey Dwlee- I wanna kill you. I dont even remember WHY... but I saw your name and felt my blood-thirst rise.
Now that I read your posts, its only gotten worse.

VOTE: spicyjalapenoknocks

Also- I am trending toward nachoscum here, as well.

[camn]

Why?

I have had the pleasure of watching nacho's scum-game evolve over the years.... and although I would rank him as SUPER HARD to pin down lately... this whole protecting-everyone move is reading a little false to me. Like he knows who is town, and who isn't.
Not that I would agree to a day 1 nacho lynch. That is not on the table for me... but Ima watch him.

Dwlee- lets get some realtalk in.. see if we can sort you out.
Why did you and your partner coordinate your first posts? What was that discussion?

[camn]

and although I would rank him as SUPER HARD to pin down lately...

Links?

His scumgame was particularly excellent here... which is what I am thinking of.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65875

[camn]

Though I think he has caught the vigshot a lot as scum lately, too... so maybe he is slipping.

[camn]

So camn, is it safe to assume you're scum if you live past n1?

Well- I happen to be town no matter HOW long I live but I am working on a pretty sick run of N1 kills.
BUT, I have been trying to play scummier and scummier every game.... so maybe I can manage to make it to N2 this time?
I guess if I were scum, I would kill me too.. because I am

TERRIFYING

! (

i joke. i joke. I really don't get it.

)

[camn]

Yo we better skype cause they're gonna lynch us.
Oh no bro what should we do. We better come in strong and zany.
Shit the bed?
Shit the bed.

qft

[camn]

But that's fine because i legit want that slot dead now.

me too.

[camn]

but i should probably reread this when my head is clearer lol so i stop saying stupid shit

no! drunkposting = bestposting

@ postie- over the years? ffs who can know?
My games are all in my wiki if you wanna dig meta.

[camn]

I got in a reflective mood-- this is Spyrex and my 16th game together, as far as I can tell. Minus alts, which I dont think either of us have... and maybe Spyrex-Hydras in Adel's Doubleheaded games. Also minus games lost to tigerpocalypse.

Here they are:

Spoiler:

sept 15, 2008 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=9391
may 30, 2009 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=11589
mar 3, 2009 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=10726
july 7, 2009 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=11845
july 25, 2009 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=11967
feb 17, 2010 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=13460
sep 10, 2010 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=15199
oct 15, 2010 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15421
dec 15, 2010 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=15834
may 10, 2011 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17464
may 12, 2012 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21320
july 31, 2016 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=67708
aug 13, 2016 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=67927
sep 14, 2016 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=68365
replaced in - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68113

pedit- please be a real vig please be a real vig please be a real vig

[camn]

Am I smelling a nacho wagon?
Hm. I could maybe get behind that.

And spy- I know, right! I stumbled on a game with Tarlahindur, Xylth, AND Yosaian while I was making that list. It made me feel like a little girl again.

[camn]

@camn
You said earlier that you wouldn't support a Nacho lynch D1 but now say you will. What's up?

In general...I am very uncertain day 1. I act confident, because of course I do, but in truth I don't have strong reads. Yet. As such, my policy is to support lynches on players I don't really know that well...so that day 2 consists of people I can read better, increasing the odds of me winning. So nacho gets a pass, generally.

BUT... He started out so scummy, as you pointed out already. So I reconsider my guidelines. I like lynching scum more than I like internal consistency. So lets see how this all plays out.

UNVOTE: SpicyJalapeñoKnocks

[camn]

You want a nacho powerlynch? Overnight?

[camn]

I'm neither friendly nor pleasant.

I'm generally abrasive and brash....

Thus far you've been pretty salty to me and idk what I've done to deserve it.

Internal dissonance noted.

Spoiler: Note to later camn-self

Something is off about this. kraska/House/Dramonic. Something is weird here. Like the inverse of a love triangle. come back to it once we have some flips.

[camn]

If you really believed you were such an asshole, you wouldn't think to find it odd.

Probably you are really a giant teddy bear, and your hole persona is a facade

[camn]

You're a softie.

Spyrex- are you scum?

[camn]

Alright. Agreed. There is enough meat in this sandwich.

VOTE: SpicyJalapeñoKnocks

I think this is the right move today.

a) likely scum.
b) Reasonable amount of wagon-analysis opportunity.
c) not sold on nacho-scum
d) death to all hydras.

[camn]

Does camn ever outlive you?

recently he got the N1, and I got the N2. That was great.

ps:

camn-claim: PGO

p-edit. postie why.

[camn]

There is so much data to be had on a Jalepeno flip now.. I think we need it.

[camn]

Cakes... I think they are more likely scum then not. But if they ARE town... what happens with them this game? If they play like they are now...they get mislynched later on and probably lose for us. Wtf.
Or..if they are scum...we let them off the hook now...they fiddle through on lurky nonsense then quick hammer town in LYLO. And laugh at us all.

I hate both of those options. We kill them now.
Regardless of alignment we mine their wagon. And we don't have this discussion again tomorrow. And the next day.

[camn]

On the more interesting side, Camn is probably scum.

yaaaay- im not universally townread. Maybe I live through the night! Unless dram-scum

[camn]

Apparently I'm scum for failing to claim PGO in firstpost.

[camn]

k. Lets see.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: nachomamma

fyi- I have limited access this weekend.

[camn]

Hush. I am totally a PGO and will crush any foolish mafia who come at me.

[camn]

Kinda with House on Elyse, karaka. I like to give my townreads some teeth.

[camn]

Plus...nacho is really good. He keeps his secrets at L-4. Does he keep them at L-1? Inquiring minds want to know.

[camn]

k.

fyi- I have limited access this weekend.

VOTE: camn

VOTE: camn

timing, guys. timing. You have about three hours before I turn into a pumpkin.

[camn]

I don't want your claim, nacho...I want your alignment.
I'm not letting you do me like you did Fate in my apartment that one time.

[camn]

Dram, et tu? I'm literally boarding a transpacific flight in 2 hours.

House, you can have my vote. Don't let me get lynched before Tuesday.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: hiplop

[camn]

And House...I agree with nacho here. Elyse IS smooth. And people DO ignore walls.

[camn]

This response feels icky to me. Like you're testing the waters and pushing the Nacho scumread all on me.

That's... actually a fair point.

Ok. Point taken.
But what was really happening is that I wasn't really feeling the case, BUT I wanted to give Elyse a shot at making it.
However- that's ancient history. By this point nacho has totally blown up any early game scumminess and is back into town territory.

[camn]

In other news, Spyrex is NOT in my townbloc.

Spy- if you are scum, you should know this. I have a pretty large surprise up my sleeve for you this game. Bigger than the bomb I was gonna drop in FF9 if I hadn't been murdered. Well... Not quite that big. But big.
So put on your brown pants.

[camn]

I don't see anyone that might fit in with Camn/Elyse at the moment.

And you never will. It's almost evidence that your reads are off, if you were being honest with yourself. BUT I only skimmed... So maybe it makes sense somehow.

Back to my LA!

[camn]

Hey, guys!
Im not totally caught up with yesterday... but I understand Cakez has a guilty on kraska today...and kraska is claiming Busdriver?
Obv i support a kraska Lynch here, because Busdriver is a f-ing joke/desperation claim. I don't know what the count is.. but I'm in. Just tell me when.

FOS: kraska

And I protect Cakez tonight, then?

For sport- kraska- did you breadcrumb your claim? Cuz that is SOP with a real town redirector role.

Also- thanks for taking the N1 for me again, spyspy. I owe you.

[camn]

Well...can I hammer?

Hi, postie

[camn]

Gods, house .. I am in such agreement with everything you say this game. If you turn out to be scum it's gonna break my heart.

[camn]

I can't see all this nightkill speculation going anywhere.

[camn]

I need to reread, Ranmaru.
I actually was pretty paranoid of Spyrex before the flip.
Now? I actually don't see the point of discussing THIS now either. It only helps inform the scums night actions. Tomorrow, if I live, I'll tell you who the scum are.

Pedit- same question to house huh?
It's not the most pro-town discussion rn, Ran. FYI

[camn]

I might go to bed, if I can't hammer.
What on earth is Nacho going to add to this, anyway?

[camn]

Alright, alright.

[camn]

Hammer at will, the flip should be interesting.

I have some objections to lining up my lynch.
I think they will be compelling.

VOTE: kraska

PS- hi Cakez!

[camn]

I still haven't counted votes. Is that when the hammer? I hope so.

[camn]

A scum in the hand is worth 2 in the bush?

[camn]

Also... It's only hearsay that kraska is third party. There was only one kill.
I have tried to fakeclaim 3rd party to buy an extra nightkill before, too. Its a great move, especially if the alternative lynch is town. That's 2 extra dead townies for free.

Pedit- zito- those questions are best answered tomorrow. Answering them today only helps scum. Don't get too tunneley, unless you like lynching townies.

[camn]

Also town recognize town, playas.

[camn]

She dies today.

Kraska? I agree.

[camn]

You killed Spyrex, silly.
If you wanted to play this game, last night was your chance. You could have shot dram then.

[camn]

And if you really WERE a SK, you should have played like a vig.
It turns out you are scum.... You fucked up your fakeclaim, and now we are likely just enduring a long, desperate backup fakeclaim.

It's cute, actually

[camn]

God I love seeing scum squirm!
I'm glad we are waiting after all.

[camn]

Someone hammer!
Nacho is probably sleeping off a bender in Mexico.

[camn]

Yaaaaay.

[camn]

camn, House, Dramonic, maaaybe nacho

That funny.
That plus Cakez is pretty much my townbloc.
I think day 2 interactions are totally relevant.
You think scum-kraska offers me up as an alt-lynch...and dram as a nk target...and we are scummy for it? Nfway.

I am pro a gigabyte lynch at this point.
I think clarity in the nacho/Elyse dichotomy will come eventually. They don't both make endgame, right?

Oh hi, house.

[camn]

Its not really protown for me to answer right now.
But...Reasons I'm not scum:

A) I don't kill Spyrex night 1.
B) my scum partners don't come out with shit fakeclaim like karaka did.
C) my partners don't offer me up as an alt-lynch. Thats nuts.

I forget if this game has day talk or not... But there is no way my team does those things.
House...additionally, look at my play. I know you are good at reading between the lines. I left a message for you.
Are you saying that I am somehow scum dayvig-proof?
I think a dayvig-proof role would more likely be town, to nerf the overwhelming tendency of a dayvig hitting a townie. But that's just setup spec. What are you actually implying?

[camn]

Also, FYI.. there is no way you lynch me today.
Just some advice from a friend... You probably shouldnt get your heart set on it. We should work together instead.

[camn]

You always seem to be picking up what I'm putting down!

[camn]

Let's talk about karaka and dram.
Yesterday I was leaning dramscum... But karaka was flailscum, and offered to night target dram pretty quickly.
If dram is his partner... How would that have played?

[camn]

Town: giga, zito, cakes
Lean town: postie, spyrex, nacho, house, ran
Null: dram, jalapeno,
Scum: elyse, camn

Just did a quick karaka reread.

Notes: the Busdriver claim was an attempt to frame up NACHO. Given the overall flailing I think the wine was actually in front of karaka... And that we have nacho town here.

Looking at the reads list...let's color it. Colors are my hardest reads, but I clear Cakez on results, myself on pm.

Town: giga,

zito, cakes

Lean town:

postie, spyrex

, nacho, house, ran
Null: dram,

jalapeno

,
Scum: elyse,

camn

If we additionally clear dram and nacho on D2 karaka, and house on play alone ...

I think we are looking at the scums in

Giga/Ranmaru/Elyse

I support lynching there, in that order.

[camn]

If he's scum, she probably would have just shot town last night and ate the rope she was already overdue for.

Wouldn't that just confirm dramscum though?
If dram town, scum karaka shoots him, right?
OFFERING your partner as your target is the doom.

[camn]

Also I don't know why you would vote me.

[camn]

No. I was fooling around.

[camn]

I was hoping to draw the kill myself.

[camn]

I'm not a doctor, Cakez.

[camn]

Fuck this.
You guys talk too much.
I'm in Vegas.
And ranmaru is fucking scum.

Vote: Ranmaru

More later. I should be sober tomorrow.

[camn]

I'm serious. I am hammered, and right now I am sure of 3 things.

A- nacho is town.
Why? Because I have a secret..and it's not that secret. And it means this: the scum need me lynched. Nacho knows. And nacho is not dumb scum... So defending me at this point would be suicide as scum.

B( ranmaru is scum... For the inverse.

C........
.. I forget c.

[camn]

Think about it hiplop was scum too. Plus mermaids?

[camn]

Look Ranmaru is doing exactly what kraska did

Exactly.

And good morning, lovelies!
I need you all to know.. last night the I went into a trance, my third eye opened and I saw all of Ranmaru's post writ in red.
I need to reread them to try and clarify... Which I will try and do soon. First coffee.

[camn]

I am paying very close attention.

[camn]

How's that coffee going?

It turned into booze accidentally.

[camn]

I have somewhat of a plan, dram.
Ranmaru is scum.
I'm undecided on Elyse.

[camn]

Are we? Our scumlist is strikingly similar.
Mine is Giga/Ranmaru/Elyse.
Yours is Giga/MYSELF/Elyse.

[camn]

Ok.. I found what rang my bell last night.

I think my play does make sense today when I didn't consider Cakes being a tracker.

This.
A) throwing shade at Cakez is priceless. He pulled a guilty in a previously pretty unsuspected scumzor. That pretty much earns you a free ride to LYLO if you are scum... Or a nightkill if you are town. Why go after Cakez now? Because a mislynch of the proven PR is tight.
AlsoB) the wording.
"

I think my play does make sense

"
this is a scum mindset. This is Ranmaru doing self-meta in real time, trying to make sure that everything is perceived the right way. Real Townies don't care about consistency.

[camn]

Ok, nacho.
I've decided I will believe in you. I have been worrying that you were going to break my heart... But if strong townie logic doesn't win the day, what does? If you want an Elyse lynch you can have my vote.

Cakez- I promise you I am town. And the longer I stay unclaimed AND unproven, the better. Right now the scum are scared to nightkill me, because of the uncertainty, both in my role and my lynchability. I like it that way... So let's keep it that way, k?

[camn]

What's your case, Ranmaru?

If you are town... then trust me - I am not the lynch today. At most I claim, which is suboptimal for town. But if you have concerns, lay them out.

If you are scum...welcome to hell

[camn]

Also - for the real Townies:
Ranmaru has a townreads on Cakez and Elyse. The rest are null or "scum reads". And his Elyse read is "slight"

Having 5/7 to 6/7 of the town on your lynchable list is a solid scum strategy. Don't have to risk getting called out on flipflopping that way.

[camn]

Don't play coy with me, nacho. You know as well as I do that scum 101 is to keep everyone on the table.

Ranmaru: you are really saying I buddy my partner like crazy the entire game?

[camn]

I'll try Cakez... Let's start here: by your own logic, kraska tried pretty hard to get me lynched... And he doesn't like to bus?

Fyi everyone... I fly back to Asia 30 hours from now. So I'll be a little disjointed until then. But I'm still here.

I am gonna half claim alright now, just for grins..and to add to the fun.
I'm loved, and will take 6 to lynch.

[camn]

hey camn before you go to asia vote elyse with me

Vote: Elyse

I believe in you.
VOTE: Elyse

[camn]

I don't believe in you.

[camn]

BUT...you have a lot of posts. I can review them later.

[camn]

If you have 6 votes, bring it on.
But you don't.
I was hoping to save it and catch a quick hammer... But meh.

[camn]

I am reading nacho as town, and think Elyse would be the kraska- connection.

Ran- you should try a different tactic. Your current tunnel-strategy almost certainly won't work, and will almost certainly get you lynched. Either just out of OMGUS hate when I get mad, or revenge (if it DOES work) when I flip town. If you are town, that loses the game for us.

Read that again - if you are town.. your current strategy loses the game for us.

If you are scum, I'll gladly go down to take you with. So keep it up. Just keep wall posting and shouting MOAR CAMN VOTES! I'm glad I got you to narrow your lynch pool from 6.

[camn]

Yay, claim tested!

Obv, some of you are starting to see my logic.

Some answers:
A) why early half claim? For my own schedule. I am flying back to Asia tonight, and will be out of it for 30 hours or so... So I wanted to do this early.

B) I had a townread on House. Gamma is not as townie on their own, and I did have SOME insecurity that House was fooling me. But I think still Town-ISH.

C) Elyse - I don't think my naked attack on Ranmaru was "going for the easy lynch"... But I kind of agree with you that his persistence on attacking me is pretty town.
Also - zito didn't lose his shot. I am bulletproof...with a certain modifier which I'd like to keep to myself.

At this point, like the beginning of the day, I think a giga lynch would be best. Though I would probably line up on a gamma wagon too.
Once I'm back home I can get way deeper, if this day can wait. But I think we need a flip, and I can reread overnight.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Gigabyte Troubadour

[camn]

Editing?
I power fakeclaimed twice. You know why? To WIfom the fuck out of the scumzors and try and get them to bounce a nightkill off of me, which is obvious.
You really think with THIS player list.... Yourself, Elyse, nacho, spyrex.... You think I believed my PGO claim would be generally believed? No fucking way. I figured everyone would see right through it, hope that I was trying to avoid the NK... And then NK me out of spite.
Didn't work...so I switched to the most killable of softclaims.. protective. But I didn't feel like it was protown to keep up the con under direct questioning.. so I didn't.

The simple fact is, my bulletproofness has been proven by Zito. And my loved has been proven by votes. So wtf is the point of your last post, dramonic? My claim is verified at this point, and I admit to the gambits previously. So..what's your point?

[camn]

Hee hee. I am.

[camn]

Semantics. Barely relevant.

[camn]

Semantic arguments are scummy af.

[camn]

Cakez- you are an obvious nightkill choice. Let us know you got anything that can help us tomorrow.

Ranmaru- I wanna read more before I do that. I'm not totally against it though... I just am having trouble shaking of my House townread.

[camn]

@

Camn

: I think now is the time for you to go back and think about your #407.

When I get home... But I agree. There was something there.
I'm drunk in Vegas right now... Watching the debate. I'm lying the red-eye back home to Korea in 5 hours. I'll be jet lagged... But at my home computer and ready to catch scum. If today can wait, that's my plan.

[camn]

Lying = taking

[camn]

Ps- I'm drunk right now... And I wanna say: this is a great game.
Ranmaru - if you are scum, you are incredible. House, nacho, Elyse... The same.

[camn]

No joke, cakes!
You too, especially!
I love you guys. If you are scum .. you are crushing it.

[camn]

And gamma don't fuck with me.
You are about to get power lynched.

[camn]

I'm in the cab... But let's fucking do this. Let's shake the tree while I am in the air.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gammaEmerald

Ps- dram: you got no post. I will be the one telling YOU so.

[camn]

Gamma, you are scummy as hell.
House was giving me mad town vibes... Which is why he is great, cuz he knew how to push my buttons.

You don't.

I need to sleep for jet lag. More later.

[camn]

Hey!

I did some rereading overnight, and I came up with Dram and Gigabyte.
But I am crazy suspicious of nacho given yesterday.. him trying to talk us out of the lynch.

BUT.. I read from the wiki: in normal games, scum don't know who Traitors are, and Traitors know who the scum are.
Which gives us data on House- tells.. but not so much on the inverse, I think.

I am totally behind running Dram up like crazy, though.

p-edit- wtf, nacho?

[camn]

start making sense pls nacho.

and Ran- im not sure. scum lose a kill to recruit, yes?
I think 3 full maf.. 1 traitor. Especially since I am mad overpowered

[camn]

I am fully against a nacho lynch.
I think we should lynch in dramonic/gigabyte.
I am kind of following this explosion of posts... But it seems like mostly nonsense. I need you to settle down, nacho.

More later on. I'm on the subway.

Slow it down, people. No quicklynch today, please.

[camn]

Its literally been 4 hours. Slow it down.

[camn]

ok, look.

Dramonic is scum. House gave him away.
Why?
Its like this- House's goal is to get recruited.. so he can coordinate better, right?
How to do? GET NIGHTKILLED.
How do I do that? Make the maf fear me.

VOTE: kraska77

You pregame bully!

kraska don't know me like that, so I'll...

VOTE: dramonic

First poster deserves first wagon.

Boom. First 10 posts of the game I have votes out on the ENTIRE (?) scumteam.
This is either fear- inducing.. or a clear signal to the scumz to leave him alone, and use the nightkill elsewhere.

Furthermore.. given a 2p scumteam.. I DOUBT that House puts them both here:

kraska/Giga/camns?

Although I am not totally sold on there not being 3scum/1traitor. With my role and Cakez.. I doubt it. Maybe I need massclaim to decide.. or maybe the lovers nerf the town enough. Probably thats true. So.. House doesn't bus the team at that point, I dont think.

Nacho- quit being a little bitch and lets win this.
You say 3 scum total.
I say the third is Dramonic.
You think Elyse.

Convince me.
Use short words.
Lets discuss. I want tells from House/Gamma/Kraska. They have to be there.

[camn]

You guys went crazy yesterday- that was really sub-optimal.

However- here we are.
We know for sure there is one scum now, because we are alive.

In my view, the scum is Dramonic. As I mentioned yesterday- if there was ever a CHEEKY player in this game- it was house.. and it would be just like him to call out the scumteam in his first few posts.

Giga has been a questionable slot.. and if we had to waste a lynch yesterday- it should have been on them. But now we only have one.

Nacho is town, I think. I have seen nacho-scum be this convincing before, however.
Which bothers me. But I can't live my life full of paranoia.

So- Dramonic it is.

Nacho- I need you to be normal today, to make up for that shitshow yesterday, k?

[camn]

VCA by lynch-counts only:

DAY 1

Ranmaru

- [1] Camn

Elyse

- [2]

kraska77

,

Postie

Dramonic - [1] Nachomamma8
Camn - [2]

Elyse

,

SpicyJalapeñoKnocks

[LYNCH]

SpicyJalapeñoKnocks

- [7]

House

,

Ranmaru

, gigabyteTroubadour,

SirCakez, Papa Zito,

Dramonic,

SpyreX

DAY 2

Camn - [1]

Papa Zito

[LYNCH]

kraska77

- [6]

House

, gigabyteTroubadour, dramonic, camn, Nachomamma8,

kraska77

DAY 4

Ranmaru

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Elyse

- [2] Nachomamma8, Dramonic

[LYNCH]

Gamma Emerald

- [5]

Ranmaru

, gigabyteTroubadour,

SirCakez

, Camn,

Elyse

DAY 5

[LYNCH]

Elyse

- [4] gigabyteTroubadour, Nachomamma8, Dramonic,

Ranmaru

Nachomamma8 - [1]

Elyse

[camn]

Not at all.

You think that nacho breakdown was scum theater?

[camn]

its 8am, silly!

[camn]

ha. silly me. But youall understand.

[camn]

But lets not stray off topic- Lets drill down:

a) why is gigbyte scum, again?
Your reasoning seems unclear. Is it just process of elimination?

b) why isn't nacho scum? I have my own thoughts. What are yours?

[camn]

Hm.
can you dig any associatives to back up giga-scum?
You don't think that Giga/Kraska bff story early on was too much?

Also - to everyone: I propose EITHER massclaim or NoLynch today. Agree? y/n

[camn]

I do.
I also understand how lazy scumzors like yourself try and win in lylo.
so again- can you see any associatives?
Because I don't really see you digging through this game like a real townie would at this point.

[camn]

I like hand holding.

And if you keep rockin' like this and you are gonna get lynched... I hope you understand.

[camn]

Well, you are wrong. I would like this game to be a win.. cuz it has been great.
So we need to lynch scum.

Right now- that's you.
If you are town, I want you to talk me out of it.
Though.. I am kind of feeling like you are just super pissed that I am so overpowered. Because you sadly rolled scum. But take that up with the mod! Its not my fault!

[camn]

Ill start.

I am Baby Girl Marla Jones, Bulletproof and Loved townie.
My loved status evaporates in LYLO.. and I can be endgamed.. just not shot. BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD SHOOT A BABY!

It really is the greatest role ever.

Next? If popcorn I choose dramonic.

[camn]

K. We need giga claim.

Nacho- I believe in you.
Is Gigabyte the mastermind lurkerscum I always fear? Probably not, right.
Also- with a giga/kraska 2p scumteam... do they pull the mad buddying day 1 like they did? as newbs? I also think not.
What do you think of my theory (in #2013) in re: House sending a message with his first posts? I think he is entirely that kind of player, and that the message is as plain as day.

[camn]

Camn, can you explain what you saw in 407? Ranmaru and I kept trying to bring it up throughout the game but I think it always got drowned out.

Its exactly what I am talking about right now- House had this whole slap-fight-not-a-slap-fight with kraska... followed by a god-im-so-offended-by-your-hate thing with dramonic.
Check it:

Spoiler: in re 407

VOTE: kraska77

You pregame bully!

(I'm just kidding btw)

kraska don't know me like that, so I'll...

VOTE: dramonic

Probably one of the five newest players on site, OMG FRIENDSHIP!!!

EDIT: zito so full of hate

I bow to your tremendous experience, o wizened one.

Teach me, why is friendship in a social game blasphemy?

I await your words of wisdom and deep understanding of the cosmic truths of mafia.

friendly/pleasant != town.

I'm neither friendly nor pleasant.

Am I town?

kinda proving my point

Seriously, what the fuck have I ever done to you?

Are you going to answer this?

Thus far you've been pretty salty to me and idk what I've done to deserve it.

At the time it seemed so weird.. not like normal bussing or scum theatre or anything. Thats why I made a note of it. House was overly nice to kraska.. and super defensive with Dram.. meanwhile he was pouring salt on Cakez and Zito

and Giga

(385/388/391) nonstop.. saying how grumpy he is and how he is usually scumread for his playstyle.
Looking back on it now it seems plain as day. It's cuz he knew who the scum were, and was sensitive to their reads especially.

Nacho. Im convinced. Wait.. a summary.

[camn]

Summary:

Postie - Town Mason Lover 1 Shot Dayvig
Ranmaru - Vanilla Townie
Elyse - Vanilla Townie

Dramonic

-

Vanilla Townie

Camn

-

Bulletproof Loved

kraska77 - Mafia Goon

SpicyJalapeñoKnocks - Vanilla Townie
SirCakez - JOAT

Gamma Emerald - Mafia Traitor

gigabyteTroubadour

-

Vanilla Townie

Papa Zito - Town Mason Lover 1 Shot Dayvig
SpyreX - Vanilla Townie

Nachomamma8

-

Vanilla Townie

This actually totally looks balanced now.
Mostly VTs.. a nerfed Vig, a nerfed investigative, and me.

[camn]

Dramonic- just confess.

[camn]

I'm sure it doesn't matter. How much shenanigans can one game have?

Lets do it.
If we are right, then My post 407 is Epic af.
If you are scum, you are filthy lucky- I would have seen you dead and Elyse alive.
If nacho.. well.. he really is that good

VOTE: dramonic

[camn]

Dramonic- confess. Cleanse your soul. Better Dead than Red.

[camn]

Excellent, nacho. The ball is yours.

You looked at my arguments?

[camn]

You're really grasping at anything to paint me as scum

At this point Giga should be confscum from your perspective if you were town. So, convince us.

[camn]

I wonder how many times I have to tell you I don't think you're town so it's pointless for it to sink in.

Like... You are going to convince me I'm not town somehow?
Let's play a game... Let's say I am third party, which I'm not. Wouldn't I STILL want to lynch scum?

Furthermore... You saw the claims list.
You really think this game is 2 groupscum, a traitor, town lovers, a nerfed dayvig, AND third party?
The only real town power would have been Cakez in that scenario, against a shitload of scum. Which doesn't make any sense at all. A mis-vig and mis-lynch day 1 followed by a potential 3 nightkills has the town at LYLO day 2. It's nuts.
I bring balance to the game. You are just sore cuz you are about to lose :/

[camn]

Also, nacho.... Spyrex really needs a win. So pick correct.

[camn]

I'll hammer. That's no problem.

unvote

Nacho... I'm sold on dramonic. I'll need convincing on giga

[camn]

Also, for the record... It WOULD be hilarious...but the math doesn't add up, as described previously. Two killing factions plus a Vig plus livers equals a potential 5 kills before day 2. Too many.

Dramonic keeps riding the same old pony, cuz he has lost this game.

[camn]

Yo what's happening here?

[camn]

You and radiantcowbells arguing about balance. I want popcornz

[camn]

But ps- what Townie is ever so pissed about the town being OVERpowered?

Like..wtf?

[camn]

Also.. here we are in Lylo. So..it's balanced. QED.

[camn]

AANNDD... if you ARE town, you are about to get lynched and deliver us a town LOSS...all the while complaining that the town (which is theoretically losing) is overpowered.

WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING HERE?

[camn]

The only universe where you are truly upset about too much town power is the one where you are scum.

Just confess.

[camn]

Yay no tigers!

Ok nacho... Let's do this.

[camn]

IM NOT A SERIAL KILLER!

[camn]

And nacho... It's not that I think Giga is obvtown...but that I think dram is obvscum. Also I agree with you fully on interactions. I really think House handed us the scum team.

And I unvoted... So I can hammer no problemo. I'm not scrrrd.

[camn]

Damn straight let's do this.

Good game giga if you are scum. Actually either way, I guess?

VOTE: dramonic

[camn]

SPYREX THIS WAS FOR YOU

[camn]

I'm neither friendly nor pleasant.

I'm generally abrasive and brash....

Thus far you've been pretty salty to me and idk what I've done to deserve it.

Internal dissonance noted.

Spoiler: Note to later camn-self

Something is off about this. kraska/House/Dramonic. Something is weird here. Like the inverse of a love triangle. come back to it once we have some flips.

Also... I feel like I live forever with the above post.

[camn]

I told you I had a plan, SpySpy.

[camn]

And I think dramonic might have some thoughts about the setup.... :/

I, of course, think it was the greatest role ever and loved it

[camn]

Hee hee.. I just read the graveyard and mason topic

UTL- thank you for inviting me to this game. It was super fun.

Zito- sorry I annoyed you. I was playing 'in character'. Ive been working on a hybrid Katsuki/OriginalFate towngame. I can only imagine it is distasteful to some people. I hated Original Fate at the time....but I needed to change up my playstyle, so I did a Katsuki internship.

Kraska-- don't be so sure that House could have coasted. I

may

have been setting him up to be betrayed. But the replacement certainly made things easier. I do wish he was here so I could gloat, though.

[camn]

You cracked the game, Cakez.

[camn]

Why didn't you guys take a shot at me?
I was, like, begging for it.

[camn]

I was hoping you wouldn't believe it.
I actually thought Zito was faking for a while.

[camn]

Hee hee. So you think, house.
Buddying a scumread until Lylo then betraying them is FatePlay 101.
You WERE pretty convincing though. I admit it. I wish we could have played it out, seen what would have happened. You should play by the rules and not get banned anymore!

[camn]

I think it wasn't just the argument that your nulls were bad, Ranmaru.. It was the "what he said" tell.
>I< was hating on the nulls.. . but Gamma jumped on the argument and ran with it.
I think THAT is what you really picked up on.. and is a classic scumtell.

(town)Player Y: Player X is Scum! Why? Reason X!
(scum)Player Z: Yeah! Player X

IS

scum!
(Others): why do

you

think that, Player Z?
Player Z: Because what he said!
(Others): Really?
Player Z: TOTALLY! ITS THE WORST SCUMTELL EVER!

Z's thought process here-

Reason X actually is reasonably sound... and it originally came from a townie, so must be townish. THUS I can hang my hat on it and avoid much heat on the reasoning. Hee Hee, I happen to know it is wrong!

Z's pitfall- A real townie would be suspicious of Player Y, as well.. and not so trusting of Reason X, and wouldn't get SO BEHIND IT.