Mini 1852 - Werewolves and Jester win!

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Jaack

Nice to meet ya.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: PUPPER
Where he at though?

He has double posts to you, what do you mean?

pretty sure he hasnt posted yet unless I have gotten dumber than i was before

The game's barely started and he's heading into prod range.

Makes him a decent candidate for a policy lynch.

[Klingoncelt]

Eh he suggests a policy lynch but doesn't vote for it either. There some inconsistent logic in there.
It's not much but its better than RVS.

She.

I'm a "she." Always have been.

Anyway, at least I got a bit of discussion started, if this game goes any slower it'll start moving backwards.

[Klingoncelt]

what is a smash mouth award

It's a reward for best overall Mish Mash (read: non-Mafia) player.

UNVOTE: Drone

I want to see Klingoncelt respond to Jaack before I put my vote back down.

I am wondering if Jaack's interest in my mislynch has to do with my RVS vote on him.

I bet it does.

[Klingoncelt]

Shit. I didn't know the game began. I'll see if I can catch up.

It's 3 pages long.

2 more pages since your last post.

*smh*

VOTE: KuroiXHF

[Klingoncelt]

I'm not concerned one bit about an RVS vote, and the fact that you are implying that I am without responding adequately to the content of my posts looks rather scummy to me.

That statement looks rather reach-y to me.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon, dont hate us because you anus.

Cute.

[Klingoncelt]

Could you elaborate on this and explain why you're voting no lynch instead of Jaack if you think his post is scummy?

I'm voting the mod now because I'm sure he's scum. Vote with me, let's lynch and see what we get. I'm so serious about this people, it CAN'T HURT CAN IT?!

Orrrrr... we could all lynch the modbot.

VOTE: PUPPER

[Klingoncelt]

Although I would never lynch a real puppy.

This one's a trick puppy.

Notice how it looks different in every picture.

[Klingoncelt]

Eh, I'm not liking this bandwagon on the puppy.

We can do better.

Agreed. PUPPER votes are lazy and don't accomplish anything.

Don't like that drealmerz went from voting the mod to voting for the pooch - that's two seperate votes for non-entities.
Also don't like that Kling unvoted me to vote PUPPER while continuing to throw shade my way in 136.

You've never heard of pressure voting?

I wanna know what this shapeshifting li'l doggie's all about.

[Klingoncelt]

Anyway, at least I got a bit of discussion started, if this game goes any slower it'll start moving backwards.

Really not feeling this response. That's all you had to say to a somewhat serious vote? I thought you wanted to continue discussion?

I'm not taking that vote seriously. It looks like busywork to me.

[Klingoncelt]

Funny, I made 3 posts about PUPPER, this is #4, and he hasn't responded, not a growl, bark, or bite.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Way

too lurky this game. He should have said something somewhat useful by now.

[Klingoncelt]

kk so you're going to apply pressure to a lurker right now

/right now/

wtf?

I didn't know there was a schedule, when did this become a thing?

[Klingoncelt]

why drealmerz over kc though

Why are you interested in lynching me?

[Klingoncelt]

PUPPER

, is your vote on Gamma real, or is it leftover RVS?

[Klingoncelt]

im sure asking pupper a question the fifth time will work - he will definitely write a wall about the game and not post any gifs

this is why he is ignorable and should be shot by any town PRs

scum won't shoot that doggie

I'm pretty sure the dog is Town-controlled.

[Klingoncelt]

looking at stranger a bit more:

dislike 48, tentative; ditto 97, with a poor question in that post
the on/off interaction with dreal was basically null on him; it's fakable, but at least suggests actual curiosity with respect to his alignment
224 is an easy post to make, but is still a decent post
229 basically where I'm at
262 is ok, by itself not hugely meaningful but suggests at least SOME curiosity about his stated suspect. would have been better with follow-up

overall nothing impressive, but nothing that really makes me want to lynch him either
UNVOTE:

Pease use the post links, no way am I crawling through the game to find he posts: [post][/post ].

[Klingoncelt]

*Please.

[Klingoncelt]

statistic:

drealmer suggests no-lynch on D1 9/10 times! scum or town! just to gauge reactions usually, or, ya know, if I'm a cop

it's a bastard game, I'm up for anything though, including no-lynch, as horrible of an idea as it typically is, this game is a NO STANDARDS FREE-FOR-ALL!!! I mean as long as you can justify it as town, and I do, because it's a bastard game and who knows, maybe no-lynch gives us a boon?!

I played a bastard game once where the only way to win was to no-lynch...otherwise the inept doctor kept killing all of their targets thinking 'omg I failed my save AGAIN?!' and we kept thinking there was scum in the game because of the deaths. Good times.

It's not a good idea to try and outguess the Mod based on another Mod's game, especially this early on Day1 when you have virtually no information.

[Klingoncelt]

@Kling - Snarky is always a lurker. Unless you have a policy of lynching lurkers your vote is bad, and even if it is a PL it's bad.
View on Mcnugget?
I think the opportunist on Gamma is real though.

I was in a game with him where he posted a good bit. He was kinda noobish and his reads were off, but when he died he flipped Town.

I expect to see more from him. I know he can do it.

[Klingoncelt]

PUPPER

, is your vote on Gamma real, or is it leftover RVS?

*growls at GE*

I see. Thanks.

[Klingoncelt]

Thinking on it while McMenno's vote was bad his play feels like his townplay.

I disagree, and not because he's voting me.

It's because I'm his sole focus, he's got tunnelvision. But he's not asking me any questions, he's doing the tunnel thing wrong. He's an experienced player, he knows better than to lurktunnel.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm literally dealing with the incarnation of Donald Trump's persona on Twitter.

Mod: Sorry, I really

really

hate to do this but I have no will to play with this prick. If you don't think his actions are enough for at least a warning, please replace me.

For everyone else in the game, if you agree with me in some sense about his behavior - not even regarding lynching Vedith - please say something.

I can't help ya, kid.

On my homesite the death threats are real. Of those of us that migrated over here, I think I'm the only one that never ate a ban here.

Briefly my sig read: "Fuck you. In the eye. With a mangy, sore-covered, flea-infested rabid sewer rat that's been infected with fireaids."

My advice to you would be to grow thicker skin. It's a tough world.

[Klingoncelt]

@Kling - Snarky is always a lurker. Unless you have a policy of lynching lurkers your vote is bad, and even if it is a PL it's bad.
View on Mcnugget?
I think the opportunist on Gamma is real though.

I was in a game with him where he posted a good bit. He was kinda noobish and his reads were off, but when he died he flipped Town.

I expect to see more from him. I know he can do it.

Who?

Snarky.

[Klingoncelt]

I think PUP is Town, I'm not sold on Gamma being Scum, I think Snarky and McMenno are Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

@Kling - Snarky is always a lurker. Unless you have a policy of lynching lurkers your vote is bad, and even if it is a PL it's bad.
View on Mcnugget?
I think the opportunist on Gamma is real though.

I was in a game with him where he posted a good bit. He was kinda noobish and his reads were off, but when he died he flipped Town.

I expect to see more from him. I know he can do it.

Who?

Snarky.

I've never seen active Snarky.

Give me a few minutes, there's an archived Large Theme... searching...

[Klingoncelt]

Uh-oh.

I had Snarky confused with someone else.

UNVOTE:

So I'll go with:

VOTE: McMenno

[Klingoncelt]

Or a mod controlled player, or a fake.
Mod controlled is more likely (PUPPER'S reappeares right before VC)
UNVOTE:

OR

The Puppy shoots a PM to the Mod, who speaks for the dog at his own convenience.

[Klingoncelt]

Eh I was hoping this gamma train might go somewhere, but it doesn't feel like it has much traction. Year, he's at L-2 but only two of the other people on the wagon (Hikari and Coug) have enough content where their pressure feels real.

Meanwhile kling is now pursuing low content posters. Which is to say, lazy scum pushing things that won't bite. Or in the case of PUPPER, will only bite not push back.

I'm not exactly happy with Gamma's play, but my scumread isn't strong enough to hang out there for now. Wake me up when there's more interesting action there.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KlingonCelt

As for other people...

Hikari and Vedith scrapping is still town v town.
McMenno looks useless enough where I'm not going to argue against a lynch, but I'm not super feeling scum there. If we're going to wagon a low content person, Alpaca looks slightly scummier to me (A lot of his posts are equally timewastey as McMenno but it looks more like he's trying to act town). Drone is also in this category, as would be snarky if not for replacement magic.
I'm inclined to call Kuroi town but I fully admit I can't come up with a hard reason for it.
mhsmith is a town lean as when he is posting game related stuff it actually looks like someone trying to work stuff out. I also think 307 is something unlikely to come from scum.
StrangerCoug is present, but I'm not getting a strong feeling either way with him. Nothing in his posts strikes me as outright scummy but there's nothing there that looks impossible from scum.
PUPPER is a dog.

^ ^ ^ This is what a Scum post looks like, class.

[Klingoncelt]

PUPPER's vote on me was OMGUS bro

But still it's a serious vote...

[Klingoncelt]

V/LA until Monday, holiday stuff.

[Klingoncelt]

This is what I get based on what we know about decoding the message, and I think it's right:

Hello everyone, this is Hiraki reporting live from the town. Today, although the town tried to lynch the Survivor McMenno, KurioXHF died in his replacement. We do not know if this was on purpose. However, what is certain, is that Kurio's sacrifice will not be in vain. Tomorrow, I will lead you all to victory by destroying scum. There is no possible way that the scum will prevail. This message should make you quake in fear in your tiny little scumboots. When there's no kill tomorrow, know that I stopped it. If there is one... well... darn.... you cannot stop me and I will win pupper, plz bark once if you are town or twice if you are scum 1086

Hiraki, can you confirm the authenticity of this?

yeah haven't really read but that's why i was mad

i was never told that my bullshit powers would come out that way

i will just leave it there and not comment on it for now

Vote: Drealmerz

Actually you should comment on it.

You might as well, it put you front & center.

I noticed that PUPPY didn't reply to you... hmmm...

[Klingoncelt]

I'm pretty sure el perro doesn't like Drealmer or Stranger Coug. I shall sheep.

VOTE: Stranger Coug


Oh, also -

I'm extending my V/LA until the 3rd

, I'm very sick.

[Klingoncelt]

I checked Hiraki and it said Cult...
So... VOTE: McMeno

Twice McMenno was the voted lynch and twice some Townie died in his place. I'm not going there today.

Why aren't we lynching Hiraki?

[Klingoncelt]

So we aren't lynching Vedith now?

I'm not sure about this...

UNVOTE:

[Klingoncelt]

Klingoncelt seems to be the greatest non-entity

I was V/LA sick. I'm back now, but still sick.

[Klingoncelt]

McMenno can't be the lynch choice today.


In post 410, Stranger Coug Townreads Hiraki, Drealmerz, and Vedith.

In post 595 Vedith says that Hiraki did something to him during the Night.

What was it that he did, Vedith?

In post 631 Vedith says : "I checked Hiraki and it said Cult... So... VOTE: McMeno

Why vote McMenno instead of Hiraki?



VOTE: Hiraki

[Klingoncelt]

I don't mind taking time often times, but, often times too much time is taken, and I also think that at the beginning of the Day everyone should be sharing their thoughts after reflecting over the Night, or at least be ready to vote after how things unfold at EoD1, overnight flip, and whatever else.

ppl should definitely have some opinions at this point

too many lurkers, yepyep

I couldn't come up with a post this empty if I tried.

[Klingoncelt]

Lynching McMenno will get another townie turned into dead bodyguard, no way will I vote for him today.

[Klingoncelt]

UNVOTE:

For now.

[Klingoncelt]

PUPPER sniffed you out, like a well-trained scum-sniffing dog

This is true.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Klingoncelt]

OK if we really want to analyze PUPPER's reads let's go full force
Me scum
Alpaca^2 town
mhsmith scum
Klingon scum
dreal...IDK, mixed signals
Hiraki town
vedith scum
Kuroi town
SC scum
But personally, I think dreal is scum trying to come up with BS reasons to vote town.
VOTE: drealmerz

PUPPER didn't read me as Scum, I was Null.

[Klingoncelt]

I was having problems getting this site to load 24 hours ago (11pm-midnight Wednesday.) Anyone else have a problem?

[Klingoncelt]

@ Vonflare is this accurate

ALIVE FOR NOW:

AlpacaAlpaca
StrangerCoug
Vedith
Gamma Emerald
Jaack
McMenno
drealmerz7
KlingonCelt
Hiraki
Drone
Aristophanes

cause that's what I meant by "fix this shit" or whatever, cause I'm seeing dead ppl among the living and it is FUCKING WITH ME

Not "people" but "person" - Stranger Coug. The rest of us are still alive.

[Klingoncelt]

@Jaack

,

@Vedith

- could the two of you both check the same person (not McMenno) tonight?

Doesn't matter who.

Also I think tomorrow would be a good Day to popcorn claim.

Whomever Jaack & Vedith investigates goes last, they give their results after that.

It should go a long way towards solving the game.

[Klingoncelt]

@Jaack - We both check Kling?

That works with me.

Cool.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Drone

[Klingoncelt]

Not lynching GE.
@drealm why are you so stuck on PUPPER? Your interpretation of him could be wrong, and rather easily.

UNVOTE: Jaack
Looks like that ain't happening.

Yes, Klington?

I've had problems with lurkerScum recently.

[Klingoncelt]

That is the nature of Pupper's role. I know this. Thus it is an educated guess in which I am very confident.

I don't see it. Sorry.

[Klingoncelt]

UNVOTE:

[Klingoncelt]

UNOFFICIAL Vote Count:

Gamma Emerald (3): Drealmerz7, Hiraki, McMeemo
McMeemo (1): Aristophanes
Drealmerz7 (4): Gamma Emerald, Jaack, AlpacaAlpaca, Vedith

Not voting:
Drone, KlingonCelt


6 votes to lynch.

Day ends in 3 days, 21 hours as of this post.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm not Cult. At least not according to my RolePM.

The Cult Leader is dead, so there should be no new recruits. The question is how many were Cult at Night 2?

Oh, yeah, and someone tried to kill me last Night. Was it you, Vedith?

[Klingoncelt]

But you got redirected, didn't you?

[Klingoncelt]

*fixed

I'm not Cult. At least not according to my RolePM.

The Cult Leader is dead, so there should be no new recruits. The question is how many were Cult at Night 2?

Oh, yeah, and someone tried to kill me last Night. Was it you, Vedith?

Since I'm technically a vig and not a cop and I targeted you, the result you're getting is probably from me.

But you got redirected, didn't you?

[Klingoncelt]

I thoguht anyone could recruit as a cult?
Personally I think cult is more of a stupid role than Jester.

I thought Cult members suicided if the Leader died. If not I thought they continued as 3rd Party but couldn't recruit without the Leader.

[Klingoncelt]

I didn't know this had started. Well I am super sure that I am not cult since presumably i get a notification about that but maybe i was recruited and not told, who knows in this game

Your Mason partner Gamma didn't poke you?

[Klingoncelt]

Lol I KNEW there was an Arsonist or Pyromaniac!

How did you know this?

[Klingoncelt]

Well, no. I don't know of such a thing.
Cults that start with a leader start only with a leader.
Once that leader dies, his cult suicides.
I think we're rid of all the cult.

Check the Wiki, sometimes the Cult lives on, but can't recruit:

The Cult is a third-party group that seeks to recruit players into itself. The recruitment is done by a Cult Leader who is typically the only member of the Cult at the beginning of the game. At Night, it can recruit players into the Cult; these players henceforth lose their previous role identities and become Cultists. The Cult wins when it comprises half of the player list, at which time it controls the lynch and trivializes the rest of the game.

Cultists usually do not have the ability to recruit players, so if the Cult Leader dies, the Cultists are defenseless but must survive until they attain a majority. This can be difficult to do, especially if the Cult Leader only lives long enough to recruit one Cultist.

It is not unheard of for Cult and Cult Leader to be aliases of Masonry and Masonizer respectively, but this interpretation is quite outdated given the notoriety Cults have achieved.

Variations

A common variation of Cult causes all of the Cultists to suicide if the Cult Leader dies. This is to prevent orphaned lone Cultists, but the necessity of this rule is disputed.

Some moderators allow Cultists to recruit players if the Cult Leader dies. However, this becomes completely impossible to balance, as there is virtually no chance of the Cult ever being completely wiped out.

Cults may form a faction, but unlike Mafia, they do not have a factional kill. On rare occasions, they do or may acquire one - this is called Cultafia and is again difficult-to-impossible to balance.

Moderators are mixed in regards to what happens if a Cult Leader attempts to recruit Mafia, as a recruited Mafia player can simply tell the rest of the cult who the other scum are. Options have ranged from the Mafioso simply not getting recruited to the Cult Leader dying to the Mafioso getting recruited and replaced at the same time (so that they don't know who the other scum are). The most common solution is usually the second one.

Use and Power

If the Cult is not exterminated within the first two game Days, they almost inevitably win.

Thus, don't use these unless other people have told you you know what you are doing.

Criticisms

Cults have been criticized for being very hard to balance. For example, the Town could lynch Cultists each Day but still lose because someone else becomes recruited to take their spot. Cults could also overpower the town if they recruit all of the Town's power roles. Most players also find it annoying if a Cult Leader targets a member of the Mafia on the first night if the suicide-on-scum-recruitment rule is used.

Another criticism of Cults is that they can make a player's previous efforts in the game pointless due to formerly pro-Town players (either themselves or others) suddenly becoming scum. This criticism is common to all alignment-changing roles.

[Klingoncelt]

The Cult Leader, StrangerCoug, died Night2. He could have started with a recruit and picked up 2 more at the most. More likely he recruited Night 1 and possibly Night2, meaning 2 Cult at most.

They'd be like 3rd Party Survivors.

[Klingoncelt]

Replace me

What?

No.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh - I'm V/LA with Xmas stuff.

[Klingoncelt]

Jaack

- This is important - Target me again tonight.

Whoever blocked the kill

- Target me (or Jaack, or whoever it was) again tonight.

I think I almost have something figured out.

[Klingoncelt]

you'll just be figuring out something we've known for quite awhile tbh

Maybe.

[Klingoncelt]

Maybe not.

[Klingoncelt]

Wait, nevermind. I read Jaack's ISO wrong.

Alpaca and Jaack are both due for prods.

[Klingoncelt]

Jaack, who did you target Night1 and what happened? Night 2?

[Klingoncelt]

Don't target me tonight.

[Klingoncelt]

But who are we lynching?

There hasn't been a vote count done yet.

[Klingoncelt]

Completely unofficial vote count

Gamma Emerald (2) - mcmenno, hiraki,

AlpacaAlpaca (1) - Drone

ArcAngel9(Vedith) (1) - Gamma Emerald

Jaack (1) - Klingoncelt


VOTE: Jaack

[Klingoncelt]

Jaack, you aren't an Investigating Vig, you're Scum that had your kill blocked last night.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Jaack

[Klingoncelt]

2 more votes needed for Jaack, please.

[Klingoncelt]

Or you wanted to give Jester the win intentionally?
Whatever that is, it's not town.

"Jester" is probably "Scumbuddy."