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Post Post #145 (isolation #0) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:52 pm

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I read everything and this slot is town but needs to go:
VOTE: Sondam
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Post Post #156 (isolation #1) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:05 pm

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I claim unlynchable.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #2) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:06 pm

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In post 153, BATORU wrote:Ruko informed me that entrance was NAI for you but I have my eye on you Fire Assassin
It was actually alignment indicative so I have my eye on Ruko now.
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Post Post #162 (isolation #3) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:15 pm

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In post 161, Dunnstral wrote:That's my experience with firebringer, except instead of day 2 he's more useful in the graveyard
How rude.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #4) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:18 pm

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Too bad Firebringer isn't here.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #5) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:26 pm

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In post 167, BATORU wrote:pedit - I wish firebringer was here... I wanna ask him how's life.
I'll ask for him:
How's life Jaereed?
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Post Post #195 (isolation #6) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:15 pm

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In post 180, Mega Frozen wrote:
In post 167, BATORU wrote:@FA Wasn't scum indicative in your case to want annoying town dead, which is what I assume Tama found scummy about your opening.
I can't understand this. what about me trying to sort Iron and see what others have to say about it is the thing you find scummy?

If thats unreasonable your either scum or your looking at my posts and misunderstand my agendas which is really really bad. In eaither case you need to directly talk about it.

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Frozen they were referring to me.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #7) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:34 pm

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In post 198, Dunnstral wrote:I thoroughly analyzed his 4 posts and using known scum algorithms I found that he has a 16% higher than average chance of being scum. Unfortunately I cannot publish my work
I know this is going to sound like ass kissing, but Dunnstral is so amusing with posts like these.
It makes my day.

Really hope he is town too.
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Post Post #201 (isolation #8) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:35 pm

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In post 198, Dunnstral wrote:I thoroughly analyzed his 4 posts and using known scum algorithms I found that he has a 16% higher than average chance of being scum. Unfortunately I cannot publish my work
Hahahah posts like this give me a big smile on my face.
Dunnstral never change.

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Post Post #202 (isolation #9) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:36 pm

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In post 198, Dunnstral wrote:I thoroughly analyzed his 4 posts and using known scum algorithms I found that he has a 16% higher than average chance of being scum. Unfortunately I cannot publish my work
Hahahah posts like this give me a big smile on my face.
Dunnstral never change.

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Post Post #203 (isolation #10) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:37 pm

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Wow was the a server hiccup? I wrote that post twice.
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Post Post #205 (isolation #11) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:39 pm

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Yes, that did happen.
Not Chara, do you scum read Sondam?
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Post Post #210 (isolation #12) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:47 pm

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In post 207, Mega Frozen wrote:@People can you please refer to Fire as Fire? Fire why your inning to games with your FA acc? Your trying to confuse me >.>
I believe I was a pre-in before you signed up.
Even so, if I formed such a dastardly plan, I would have probably announced it in sign ups.

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Post Post #215 (isolation #13) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:51 pm

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In post 213, Not Chara wrote:scum. why was this question asked, Fire? ;>

Sondam: please tell me, in detail, why you are so very obvious town.
I didn't see a read anywhere in your post.
Or explanation, you talked about a lot of stuff but not your vote.
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Post Post #217 (isolation #14) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:00 pm

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I think nosferatu is scum here actually.
Frozen hydra probably as well.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #15) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:02 pm

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Early scum team guess:
Mega Frozen/Nosferatu/(Pisskop/Prism/Wisdom/ironstove)
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Post Post #221 (isolation #16) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:13 pm

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In post 219, Not Chara wrote:what about Nosferatu don't you like?
Post 86. But its not a very strong read.
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Post Post #222 (isolation #17) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:13 pm

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In post 221, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 219, Not Chara wrote:what about Nosferatu don't you like?
Post 87. But its not a very strong read.
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Post Post #225 (isolation #18) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:21 pm

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In post 224, Mega Frozen wrote:@Fire I know you won't hear me and call me ATE'e or whatever, I'm not going to respond to you emotional. I want to cooprate with you logical wise to understand your scumread on me and deflect it. This is my step , now its your turn. What are your concerns?
I can't pinpoint my concerns yet, ill let you know when they become more available.
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Post Post #227 (isolation #19) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:24 pm

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In post 226, Not Chara wrote:...hm. i don't much like this. you asked me for my read on Sondam, and an explanation, after i voted them. which is fine. but for the player you're voting, you can't articulate your own case at this time?
it makes your earlier question about my Sondam vote feel very empty and unnecessary.
I am not voting Mega Frozen.....
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Post Post #228 (isolation #20) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:26 pm

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I think Not Chara is town.
I would expect them to be paying attention to the game more closely as scum and see where my vote is, and the questioning of my own reads when I have weak reasoning seems townie.
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Post Post #231 (isolation #21) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:31 pm

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In post 230, Mega Frozen wrote:You stated a scum read on me but you refused to talk about it atm which is exactly what she doesn't like about you. Hows that related to the fact your voting me or not?
Not Chara said I was voting you.
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Post Post #232 (isolation #22) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:32 pm

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I am pretty sure scum are more hyper vigilant on knowing who is voting who than town are, as a rule of thumb.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #23) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:37 pm

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In post 235, Not Chara wrote:
In post 228, Fire Assassin wrote:I think Not Chara is town.
I would expect them to be paying attention to the game more closely as scum and see where my vote is, and the questioning of my own reads when I have weak reasoning seems townie.
oh. why did i think you had a vote down there? my mistake. i think i mixed it up because Frozen was voted right after, and i'd thought they were following your lead.

that said, while i see your reasoning, i don't know how i feel about my natural proclivity to miss things being used as a towntell. i'd miss the same things as scum, unless you think i pay less attention to the thread as town?

pedit: i see.
i think that explanation is good enough.
Dunn: no role confirmations?
Not saying your not reading, but I am pretty sure scum would fact check themselves more and I think you would do it too.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #24) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:39 pm

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In post 237, Mega Frozen wrote:
In post 231, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 230, Mega Frozen wrote:You stated a scum read on me but you refused to talk about it atm which is exactly what she doesn't like about you. Hows that related to the fact your voting me or not?
Not Chara said I was voting you.
ehh.

#Frozen
I mean I questioned Not Chara on their vote on Sondam because they posted a big post talking about a bunch of different players but then voted Sondam who wasn't mentioned.

They said I was being weak with my own vote and reasoning, essentially I was a hypocrite.
Misunderstanding but I can see where they are coming from.

So yes, where my vote was kind of does matter in that situation, though that doesn't mean they don't have a point about my reads not being strong.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #25) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:41 pm

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In post 240, Dunnstral wrote:It means I don't really follow
Do you have a counter opinion on that or you just don't think thats true?
I would think Not Chara wouldn't make a simple mistake like that.
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Post Post #245 (isolation #26) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:43 pm

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Dunnstral, show me your colors.
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Post Post #249 (isolation #27) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:46 pm

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Town: Not Chara, Sondam
Lean Town: BATORU
Null: Anyone Not Mentioned
Lean Scum: Nosferatu, Pisskop, Mega Frozen
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Post Post #250 (isolation #28) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:47 pm

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In post 247, Mega Frozen wrote:Why are you talking with such a serious and formal tone with me Fire?


Why are you talking with such a serious and formal tone with me Fire?
Because I am getting serious and I am formal.
I don't understand the purpose of this?

Are you trying to see why I am acting differently than normal?
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Post Post #258 (isolation #29) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:54 pm

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In post 253, Dunnstral wrote:why am I null
Do town things.
In post 254, Mega Frozen wrote:
In post 250, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 247, Mega Frozen wrote:Why are you talking with such a serious and formal tone with me Fire?


Why are you talking with such a serious and formal tone with me Fire?
Because I am getting serious and I am formal.
I don't understand the purpose of this?

Are you trying to see why I am acting differently than normal?
I'm trying to get into your head.

I feel your trying to distance yourself from me and I don't like that

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Do you mean like distancing scum do from teammates or just not interacting?
I am guessing the first since I am interacting with you.
I don't see why a tone or formality would be a issue with you beyond you never playing with this style of me.
In post 251, Mega Frozen wrote:
In post 249, Fire Assassin wrote:Town: Not Chara, Sondam
Lean Town: BATORU
Null: Anyone Not Mentioned
Lean Scum: Nosferatu, Pisskop, Mega Frozen
Why is sondam town
Why BATORU is lean Town
why pisskop is lean scum
why am I lean scum

I know you said you won't be able to pinpoint it. I will keep asking till you gain the ability to pinpoint it or drop it.

#Frozen
Ill go into these more later but ill give you my surface ideas.
Sondam seems like a user (or hydra in this case) who will troll hard as town but take the game serious as scum.
BATORU from the interactions between us and I can get their views a bit (this sounds very vague I know, but I had good feelings reading our interactions and them interacting with others)
Pisskop hasn't given me an aggressive pushing feeling from him and he seems distant (though the game is pretty early).
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Post Post #286 (isolation #30) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:50 pm

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In post 275, pisskop wrote:VOTE: furebringer

ive seen you Altslip in other threads so im judging this slot based on how id read fire
Id like to hear more.
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Post Post #289 (isolation #31) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:41 am

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In post 288, Wisdom wrote:{prism, drealmer, ironstove, Sondam} are the people my gut liked the least
what don't you like about sondam?
or prism?
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Post Post #291 (isolation #32) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:49 am

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I feel like I have various questions as far as setup for this game.
That I should ask.

@Mod: Can players gain spells without another players intervention or does it always have to be players intervention?
When spells are "compulsory and must use first opportunity" how does that work for something like a hated spell? Does that mean by end of day they give to another player?


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Post Post #310 (isolation #33) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:33 am

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In post 306, BATORU wrote:@Fire: I TR sondam at the moment (read subject to change because it's Sondam), but not just for "trolling." I'm pretty sure both of Sondam's heads are capable of trolling as scum and generally do. And I don't think really blatant, superficial playstyle attributes are generally tells. You're more experienced than me so feel free to expound.
They are a pretty superficial hydra so in all honesty they get a superficial read because of it. If they were layers deep player then we would be sitting here talking about at much great lengths than this.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #34) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:33 am

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In post 302, pisskop wrote:Firebringer is a shitposter.

This one is making halfassed overtures to content.
Is this really why you are scum reading me?
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Post Post #312 (isolation #35) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:34 am

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In post 296, Sondam wrote:I looked at my entrance and it was more as a joke even if I knew it would get sr because for some reason everyone sr's that type of line even if I don't know why (blah blah if I was scum I'd so something dif blah wifom)
you wanted to talk?
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Post Post #316 (isolation #36) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:39 am

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In post 312, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 296, Sondam wrote:I looked at my entrance and it was more as a joke even if I knew it would get sr because for some reason everyone sr's that type of line even if I don't know why (blah blah if I was scum I'd so something dif blah wifom)
you wanted to talk?
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Ego present noted.
I wonder if this is even a valid tool anymore since I have told you that your ego is your biggest tell.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #37) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:04 am

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In post 318, Mega Frozen wrote:
In post 315, BTD6_maker wrote:I am trying to solve this. After reading I found I mostly agreed with Fire on Frozen and thus I have a very weak scumread on Frozen. Bear in mind that a very weak scumread is, for me, rather strong at this stage. I may get weak/moderate scumreads later in Day 1. I generally do not form strong readsuntil after some flips.
Stop playing with words. Your not saying reasons your just dodging the topic.

Fire himself said he can't pinpoint the reason he scumreads me and is dodging repeatedly interacting about it with me, how is that your "Agreed" with him is a reason

I won't flip for your satisfaction. This slot is town and offlimit. go try mislynch someone else.

#white
I actually sort of agree with Frozen here, unless your stating you agree with me that something from Frozen is gut pinging you. Don't know why you townread me because we both have gut pings from Frozen though.

I am feeling slightly better about frozen overall, but I am not ready to move her from beyond null.
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Post Post #337 (isolation #38) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:34 am

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My words are falling me for some of you.
Especially you Frozen.

Dota 1, Lover Mafia, I was serious in both of these even though they were different alignments.

Nosferatu is even lying about meta here. Street Figher (although I had outburst), I was very serious in.

If you all would like me not to play serious, I can sub out.
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Post Post #347 (isolation #39) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:22 pm

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VOTE: Ironstove
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Post Post #348 (isolation #40) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:22 pm

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In post 340, pisskop wrote:Dont sub out. Just play the game.

Your response is no fun :(
I meant sub into fire bringer and just shit post a bunch.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #41) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:41 am

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Prodge for now.
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Post Post #510 (isolation #42) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:51 pm

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V/LA till Saturday


Noted.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #43) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:12 am

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I don't currently like the wagon that is on Sondam, but I also don't like the fact they aren't posting much.
Though I think fact they aren't posting much kind of furthers my opinion they are town in all honesty.

Can someone remind me why they think they are scummy?
I see no noticeable differences in style and approach to this from say Death Note.
Which makes me worry about people like wisdom who are pushing it.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #44) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:20 am

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In post 573, Wisdom wrote:why would they be different in style and approach
Because theres differences in town and scum games in peoples approaches to the game?
So when I say theres nothing noticeable difference I would say at worst their play is "Null" at best it would be Townie. What exactly are you scumreading if you feel they are playing the same?
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Post Post #772 (isolation #45) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:03 pm

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The only reason I would be willing to lynch Sondam today is to get them to stop talking about how great they are.
I could do without the egos of both of them to be honest.

But I am pretty sure its a town lynch if so.
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Post Post #777 (isolation #46) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:13 pm

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So?
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Post Post #778 (isolation #47) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:14 pm

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In post 772, Fire Assassin wrote:The only reason I would be willing to lynch Sondam today is to get them to stop talking about how great they are.
I could do without the egos of both of them to be honest.

But I am pretty sure its a town lynch if so.
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Post Post #782 (isolation #48) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:17 pm

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In post 779, Dunnstral wrote:So vote them

Or explain why you were making up a reason to townread them
I am not making up a reason and if you thought I am making up reasons you should be voting me.
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Post Post #783 (isolation #49) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:18 pm

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In post 781, Sondam wrote:I only ego post in games with you fire so you tr me it's how I get you in my pocket
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Post Post #785 (isolation #50) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:26 pm

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In post 784, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 782, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 779, Dunnstral wrote:So vote them

Or explain why you were making up a reason to townread them
I am not making up a reason and if you thought I am making up reasons you should be voting me.
You said you tr sondam for not posting a lot

But they do
No, I said that them not posting was furthering my townread not that it was alone and I didn't mean they weren't posting at all it was time of inactivity.
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Post Post #906 (isolation #51) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:38 pm

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In post 832, Not Chara wrote:scum: Dunn, Nosferatu, pisskop
null: BTD, Sondam
town: Frozen/Gamma, Prism, BATORU, drealmerz, Fire, ironstove, Impoetic, Wisdom
This bugs me for a few reasons.
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Post Post #907 (isolation #52) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:38 pm

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Nosferatu is town, latest read ive gotten over last few pages.
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Post Post #909 (isolation #53) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:40 pm

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Gamma what exactly do you like about that post?
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Post Post #920 (isolation #54) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:53 pm

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In post 916, Gamma Emerald wrote:My read on you is based on an entire ISO so you're gonna have to put more effort in
Except it sounds like you changed your read on Not Chara based of one post....
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Post Post #921 (isolation #55) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:56 pm

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In post 832, Not Chara wrote:scum: Dunn, Nosferatu, pisskop
null: BTD, Sondam
town: Frozen/Gamma, Prism, BATORU, drealmerz, Fire, ironstove, Impoetic, Wisdom

i'm caught up, essentially. and now i can properly play.
Sondam, if you keep asking me for reasoning while i'm not present, you won't get reasoning. but i'm here now.
my issues with Sondam were actually quoted by Dunn: i didn't like the tone of their posts, by not liking their entrance i meant their posts in general up to that point, i didn't like them referring to themselves as 'obvtown', and it seemed a good early-game vote. that they reacted to the votes with 'what are you doing, i'm obvious town', made me ask why they were.

VOTE: Dunnstral

calling Wisdom 'afraid' of Sondam is ridiculous. that isn't how he plays, from what i've seen.
i wouldn't want to wagon Sondam right now, after finishing catching up. they're a slot i believe i'll have trouble reading.

Wisdom: why is pisskop town? i feel the opposite.
First of all, few things on this.
Has Sondam as scum, but agrees with Dunnstral on reasoning. Has Dunnstral as scum. Doesn't acknowledge thats weird dissonance of thoughts.

Then look at reads list.
First of all, theres no need to have 3 scum reads, but scum do this all the time because they think they have to have three scum in their reads early or consistently, beyond Pisskop here they are all what I would call "safe" scum reads. People you can relatively read as scum and no one is going to question you, hell even Pisskop could probably count as relatively safe.

The towniest thing about this post was the amount of town reads, but even so, how do you have so many town reads this early in the game?
I form townreads pretty fast, and I don't have as many as you do.

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Post Post #923 (isolation #56) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:28 pm

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In post 922, Wisdom wrote:I dont like fire

Why dont you ask Chara to explain their reads instead of assuming they cant have them?
Where did I say chara can't have reads? It's the reads and presentation of them, did you read my post?
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Post Post #925 (isolation #57) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:32 pm

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Do I need to ask them to explain it?
They did like three scummy things in that one post.
They can answer my post in kind what they think of my thoughts.
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Post Post #927 (isolation #58) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:44 pm

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In post 926, Wisdom wrote:okay youre dodging my point
Your point was I am not trying to figure out chara because nothing in my post was directed at chara in a way for me to figure them out.

My point is I was making a general analysis of their post from what I was seeing in it and it didn't need to be asked directly of chara of those thoughts.

You think that's scummy? Fine.

But to say I'm not trying to figure them out is strange.
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Post Post #929 (isolation #59) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:53 pm

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I am confirming Wisdom is town by that response.
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Post Post #931 (isolation #60) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:56 pm

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A scums life is hard, I gotta have buddies.
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Post Post #932 (isolation #61) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:59 pm

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Town: BATORU, Sondam, Nosferatu, Wisdom
Lean Town: Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald
Null: drealmerz, BTD6, Pisskop, Prism
Lean Scum: Ironstone
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Post Post #943 (isolation #62) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:10 am

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In post 934, ironstove wrote:Fire assassins reads are either complete shit this game or he is scum. Fire assassin which of the two is it? Are your reads shit or are you scum???
If I had to chose I would say scum.
Now what specifically about these reads, besides one on you, is shit?
In post 935, ironstove wrote:
In post 929, Fire Assassin wrote:I am confirming Wisdom is town by that response.
Wisdom confirmed town by that response guys
Ohh my sarcasm didn't come of that clean. Let me elaborate for you.
Wisdom is being unreasonable.
That reminds me of town games of wisdom so I feel he is likely town.
In post 937, ironstove wrote:Lmfao I'm honestly laughing at your play I can't understand it are you awful town or awful scum? Fa please clarify
You gotta explain your reasoning on why something shit man.
I know you are a "aggressive player" but that part of you is not readable. In fact you not being specific here is telling me I am onto something.
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Post Post #944 (isolation #63) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:14 am

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Actually more I think about it, ironstone has told me that I am shit player in general and that never been good. So I am wondering why he thinks me having "bad reads" indicates anything to him? Probably because he is scum.
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Post Post #946 (isolation #64) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:15 am

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In post 945, Wisdom wrote:how exactly is giving a guess of what I think the scumteam is unreasonable
You ignored my post and just called me scum, how was that reasonable?
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Post Post #948 (isolation #65) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:12 am

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In post 947, Wisdom wrote:dude. I call you out on fake scumhunting and you dance around the point

People are not scum because they have more townreads than you. You didn't have one legit point in that post.
I didn't dance around anything....

And you still ignoring that you completely ignored my post follow ups.
So what's your point on "they aren't scum because too many townreads" that wasn't my only point

Now I am going to ignore you, not to "dodge you" but because I see none of this is as helpful. I think your town so I don't really need to agree with you.
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Post Post #987 (isolation #66) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:18 pm

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That was one of the worst read lists i have seen in a game.
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Post Post #990 (isolation #67) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:23 pm

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In post 984, Sondam wrote:Town: BTD6, drealmerz, Ironstove, gamma (in no order)

Meh, ok I guess: BATORU, fire assassin (in no order)

Null: Prism

Kinda meh in a bad way: Not Chara, Wisdom,

Scummy: Dunn, Nos, Pisskop
Just.....most of my reads are inverted from this.
Where are you getting some of this?
How are you reading drealmerz?
Why is Ironstove town?

How is Nos or Dunnstral scummy?
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Post Post #992 (isolation #68) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:27 pm

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In post 991, Gamma Emerald wrote:WHY CAN'T ANYONE SEE THAT IRON IS OBV TOWN?
Expand on that idea he is obv town.
If he is obv town, you should be able to explain it.
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Post Post #994 (isolation #69) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:30 pm

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ummm i have made that post dozens of times as scum.......
Telling people to lynch you is just trying to reverse psychology on them. Also it gets you easy town points sometimes.
Give me something else.
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Post Post #996 (isolation #70) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:32 pm

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Is that the only reason you think he is town?
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Post Post #999 (isolation #71) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:38 pm

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In post 997, Gamma Emerald wrote:His negative utility role also makes me think so.
His role isn't negative utility though?
He said he has spell that fires back on people....

Anyways, this is what I see when I read Ironstone ISO:
1) Sarcastic relaxed posts [This is nearly a 1/3 and takes up beginning of game ; Null
2) Softball questions asked to players like Wisdom which don't seem useful for getting reads ; Scummy
3) Some general pushes ; Null
4) His attempt to say my reads were bad ; Scummy

Like, thats his whole ISO.
And I didn't even see any of Ironstones classic aggressive attitude that he is known for as town.
Its so tempered compared to any recent game, i have no idea if its situational or if its related to alignment.
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #72) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:40 pm

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In post 565, ironstove wrote:
In post 564, Wisdom wrote:well, that too
lack of resistance doesn't mean anything
So you believe that a mislynch wagon is equally as difficult to run up as a correct lynch on a mafia ?
In post 566, ironstove wrote:I'd like you to elaborate further by what you mean when you say that, because I disagree.
In post 569, ironstove wrote:Wisdom, do you hate this game because you're scum and I'm pressuring you with real questions?
Why does Ironstone think this is useful for forming reads?
The first question is just theory question.
Him stating he disagrees is just him trying to create a dialogue for player.
Then he pretends his questions are "good" and tries soft pushing Wisdom
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #73) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:04 pm

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Gerry attempting to put pisskop into a box with an argument is hilarious to read.
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #74) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:07 pm

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In post 1004, Sondam wrote:Yeah, dude I hear that all the time "OMG UR READS SO BAD XDDDDDD" and then they end up being right and town looks stupid in the end.
dreal seems to be genuinely scumhunt imo from what i've read. Iron is obvious town which I stated like 30 pages ago.
and I already said both of those. go reread.

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I am definitely open to hearing various opinions and analysis, but so far I haven't heard anything beyond "obi town" and "genuine" not any analysis, and I don't really expect any unfortunately from you two.

If all your going to give me is "I am good at this game, that means my reads are good" I am just going to have to ignore your posts. Its all posturing and bravado.
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #75) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:13 am

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Yeah, i wouldn't read much into anyones alignment based on spells, especially since they can move around. And I assume things like Hated/Loved would not be available in LYLO/MYLO anyway, so that means they are extra null from mechanical standpoint.

Don't see reasoning to go into that.

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Post Post #1353 (isolation #76) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:14 pm

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Post Post #1367 (isolation #77) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:27 pm

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In post 1357, ironstove wrote:
In post 1353, Fire Assassin wrote:VOTE: ironstone
In post 934, ironstove wrote:Fire assassins reads are either complete shit this game or he is scum. Fire assassin which of the two is it? Are your reads shit or are you scum???
In post 944, Fire Assassin wrote:Actually more I think about it, ironstone has told me that I am shit player in general and that never been good. So I am wondering why he thinks me having "bad reads" indicates anything to him? Probably because he is scum.
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Post Post #1369 (isolation #78) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:30 pm

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In post 1001, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 565, ironstove wrote:
In post 564, Wisdom wrote:well, that too
lack of resistance doesn't mean anything
So you believe that a mislynch wagon is equally as difficult to run up as a correct lynch on a mafia ?
In post 566, ironstove wrote:I'd like you to elaborate further by what you mean when you say that, because I disagree.
In post 569, ironstove wrote:Wisdom, do you hate this game because you're scum and I'm pressuring you with real questions?
Why does Ironstone think this is useful for forming reads?
The first question is just theory question.
Him stating he disagrees is just him trying to create a dialogue for player.
Then he pretends his questions are "good" and tries soft pushing Wisdom
This was something i was also interested in that you kind of ignored.
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Post Post #1373 (isolation #79) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:36 pm

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My analysis was you were using that as a way to get into the game, and scum often find it easier to go into theory questions because they aren't that 'readable' for talking points. You weren't really into scumhunting at all from that point is what I am saying. Even know, your push on gamma feels hollow.
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Post Post #1375 (isolation #80) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:37 pm

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In post 1374, Sondam wrote:I will admit I haven't been as motivated in this as I would like but Gerry is pretty sure Iron is town I'll read his iso and get my own read in a bit
what's up guys
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #81) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:43 pm

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In post 1381, pisskop wrote:Wholly hell is every other person in this game a self-righteous Shallow Hal lookalike?
Is this a real question?
Its like you don't know the average mafia player.
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Post Post #1388 (isolation #82) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:45 pm

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In post 1378, ironstove wrote:Let me make it clear, so you are telling me that you DO NOT THINK THAT SOMEONE SUDDENLY VOTING IN-LINE WITH THEIR STRONG SCUM READ IS NOT SCUMMY OR BIZARRE BEHAVIOR? IS THAT CORRECT FA?

YOU CAN ANSWER THIS AFTER GAMMA POSTS.

Still waiting on gamma to post, the kid tries to pressure me then runs away when I ask him a real question pointing out his scummy behavior.

Actually, I'm totally fine with lynching gamma over pisskop
Nothing you pointed out from gamma did I see scum motivation.
I don't agree with alot of what gamma has said, I don't agree with the way he approaches it.
Him being inconsistent, having bad reasons, etc. Thats not scum play.

Him appeasing people is more scum play, have you see that?
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #83) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:59 pm

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Who is the third or fourth?
I know Sondam, Ironstove have done that.
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Post Post #1394 (isolation #84) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:08 pm

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@Pisskop The playerlist in this game has left much to be desired in terms of play so far.
I am very disappointed.
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #85) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:23 am

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Why is there even a wagon on Pisskop?

Ironstone or Not Chara ; one of those pls.
Otherwise we are comprising on Sondam which I don't want because I am pretty sure they are town.
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Post Post #1451 (isolation #86) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:23 am

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VOTE: Not Chara
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Post Post #1454 (isolation #87) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:22 am

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Fine:
VOTE: ironstove
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Post Post #1478 (isolation #88) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:43 pm

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I am going for no lynch at this point with all bad wagons being pushed.
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #89) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:44 pm

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I am providing zero compromise today.
Ironstove or one of my null reads.
Not going to do a townread at all.
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Post Post #1480 (isolation #90) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:45 pm

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In post 932, Fire Assassin wrote:Town: BATORU, Sondam, Nosferatu, Wisdom
Lean Town: Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald
Null: drealmerz, BTD6, Pisskop, Prism
Lean Scum: Ironstone
Scum: Not Chara
Not Chara gets a pass from here.
Pisskop is on lean town right now.

Drealmerz, BTD6, Prism, Ironstove.
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Post Post #1484 (isolation #91) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:47 pm

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Do you not see Not Chara claimed power role?
I am giving them free pass day 1.

Never mislynch a power role day 1.
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Post Post #1487 (isolation #92) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:49 pm

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Then we are going for no lynch.
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Post Post #1488 (isolation #93) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:50 pm

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Whats everyones reads on drealmerz and BTD6?
I am null on both.

Does anyone have townreads on them and if so why?
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Post Post #1490 (isolation #94) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:51 pm

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In post 1490, Sondam wrote:Are you scum fire?
~M
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #95) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:52 pm

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In post 1492, Sondam wrote:Guess I'm leaving my vote then.
whats your reads on BTD6 and Drealmerz?
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #96) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:57 pm

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In post 984, Sondam wrote:Caught up and a few of my reads have changed.

I think BTD is town. Even though he scumreads us, his reasons for scumreading us aren't bad, they are just wrong.

Town: BTD6, drealmerz, Ironstove, gamma (in no order)

Meh, ok I guess: BATORU, fire assassin (in no order)

Null: Prism

Kinda meh in a bad way: Not Chara, Wisdom,

Scummy: Dunn, Nos, Pisskop

VOTE: pisskop

I thnk this needs to be lynched. When Maria first asked me to read this slot like 15 pages ago or so I thought they were null, but since then they haven't really done anything to be townread.
I went back to read this.
It almost felt like I was giving myself PTSD When I read this.

Just. Ugh.

I want off this train Maria.

Maybe lynch me?
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Post Post #1494 (isolation #97) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:58 pm

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I remember reading that earlier, not liking it.
I just know this game isn't going to go anywhere.

I am too stubborn to compromise anymore.
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #98) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:17 pm

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In post 1556, Nahdia wrote:
Good bye, Aria.
Good morning, killers.


During the night beeboy has been killed. He was Aria Nyx, who was
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #99) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:17 pm

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I love the scum team and want them to win now.
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Post Post #1561 (isolation #100) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:19 pm

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Best kill, ever.
Just the best.

I am laughing so hard.
I am not going to be able to stop.
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Post Post #1563 (isolation #101) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:23 pm

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Dreal, do you even know why I am happy?
Or you just pretending to know?
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Post Post #1567 (isolation #102) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:26 pm

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In post 1564, drealmerz7 wrote:I don't know, but I like it as well

why are you so happy?
If you played with beeboy, you might understand.
I dreaded this day if I was going to be alive.
Just dreaded it, the scum did me a favor.
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Post Post #1569 (isolation #103) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:28 pm

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I may just write a poem dedicating it for my love that kill.
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Post Post #1570 (isolation #104) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:30 pm

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It kind of makes me completely forget the terrible sondam lynch that happened yesterday.
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #105) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:32 pm

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In post 1572, Dunnstral wrote:anyways, that's my scry spell on gamma and I believe I've found mafia

Just to double check, there's nothing that lets you target without showing up in the spellbook besides a scum kill, correct?
If you have a spell that can be passed on, I am assuming not all spells are passed though. Even though I think the OPs states differently.
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Post Post #1577 (isolation #106) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:34 pm

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In post 1574, BATORU wrote:I really don't get why people seem to dislike beeboy :/ he's nice.
No one is saying he isn't nice.
Nice doesn't equal fun to play with and beeboy plays in a way that is not fun for me.
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Post Post #1579 (isolation #107) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:36 pm

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In post 1576, pisskop wrote:gamma was town as shit.

much less sus on everyone else ... but you :/
i thought he was town, but how was his kill obvious?
The biggest thing was him leaking he had a spell. Thats only reason I see scum killing that slot, which makes me think scum are within BTD6, you, and possibly Not Chara still.
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Post Post #1581 (isolation #108) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:39 pm

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I really find it odd anyone who comes in here and says gamma/beeboy was a obvi or good kill choice.
But maybe thats nothing but simple disagreeing with purpose of kills.

I thought it was going to be me or batoru.
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Post Post #1582 (isolation #109) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:40 pm

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Also Batoru, I gave you something and i have no intention of crumbing it.
You don't have to out what it is, just confirm you got it.
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Post Post #1585 (isolation #110) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:43 pm

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I guess for all we know that was a kill to give town least info and get rid of likely power role.
But I still think its much less likely done by a few players here.

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Post Post #1586 (isolation #111) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:45 pm

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In post 1553, Nahdia wrote:Sondam (7): pisskop, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Prism, Nosferatu, Not Chara, BATORU
pisskop (3): BTD6_Maker, Sondam, Sickofit1138
Gamma Emerald (2): ironstove, drealmerz7
ironstove (1): Fire Assassin
Not Chara is most likely scum on that wagon imo.
BTD6 and Ironstove likely off wagon scum?

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Post Post #1590 (isolation #112) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:53 pm

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not sold on pissk yet.
Why not join me on BTD, didn't you have him in your list?
This doesn't feel very scum pisskop.

Ill do more indepth analysis of him later.
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Post Post #1596 (isolation #113) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:57 pm

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Nosferatu has info.
Dunnstral has other info.

This seems like a 1v1.
Both probably need to explain more.
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Post Post #1598 (isolation #114) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:59 pm

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In post 1, Nahdia wrote:If killed, you will flip with only the spells you possess at the time of your death.
@Mod I think this was asked earlier, but if X dies at night and Y visits them. Will they get Ys spell?
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Post Post #1602 (isolation #115) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:02 pm

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I kind of believe you both.
What are odds of both you having scry and visiting same person?

Both of you need to elaborate on targetting gamma/beeboy.
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Post Post #1606 (isolation #116) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:05 pm

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In post 1604, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1602, Fire Assassin wrote:What are odds of both you having scry and visiting same person?
I didn't see anybody but nos visit, and the target died
You are assuming a few things:
1) Your spell has the power to see people performing kills.
2) That scum have no way of circumventing kills if your spell has that ability.
3) That you are only one that has this spell.
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Post Post #1609 (isolation #117) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:08 pm

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I am not even sure that beeboy got the spell.
It says they flip what they had when they died.

Do they gain spells of people targetting them the night of their death?
Was that question answered?
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Post Post #1610 (isolation #118) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:10 pm

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hmmmmmmmmm
Actually gamma completely leaked he had a power role and all he has in his spell book is scry.....
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Post Post #1615 (isolation #119) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:11 pm

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VOTE: Dunnstral

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Post Post #1621 (isolation #120) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:16 pm

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In post 1619, Dunnstral wrote:Like mechanically it should be obvious that I'm town and nos is scum.
No, I think you saw that beeboy had the spell "scry" on him.
Knew he was watched.

Decided premptively claim that you had watched the person and knew who targetted them, waiting to be CCed then say "Yeah, nos targetted him".

Thats what looks like what happened.
You would vote him outright if anything else.
I see no purpose in waiting beyond finding out who the person your ccing.
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Post Post #1626 (isolation #121) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:21 pm

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I skimmed Dunnstral iso looking for references to Gamma.
I see no reason why he thought watching gamma was better than someone else.

He was soft pushing him most of the day, and defending pushes by him.
Ill have to examine nos for why he checked gamma.
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Post Post #1629 (isolation #122) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:25 pm

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Nosferatu calls pisskop and gamma town multiple times in the day.
He even quotes a post by gamma where gamma says he is going to mess with someone using their role.
Nosferatu says something cheeky about being role blocked [To me it makes sense to check this person to make sure no one blocks them or see if someone visits based on this]
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Post Post #1630 (isolation #123) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:25 pm

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Nosferatu also votes gamma though.
I guess thats a strike against.
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Post Post #1632 (isolation #124) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:26 pm

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In post 1631, Dunnstral wrote:I softed having an additional power multiple times.
Show me.
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Post Post #1634 (isolation #125) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:30 pm

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I also don't see a reason for Nosferatu to come out of the gate to CC.
Lets say Dunn you are town.
Nos only knows that you saw someone visiting gamma.
That means he is dead or there is someone else also visiting that could mean he is fucked.
Nos immediately says that you are the one who visited.

ScumNos I am almost confident would wait it out and see what happens.
Not jump out of the gate to cc your claim.
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Post Post #1638 (isolation #126) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:32 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1639 (isolation #127) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:32 pm

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I will think about this more later.
Taking a break.
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Post Post #1701 (isolation #128) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:59 am

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This really feels like nosferatu is going to be flipping town.
I really starting to think Dunnstral was making an example of a role and used watcher and got lucky, as in it just so happened he claimed watcher later.
Is that insane? Maybe, but it feels more likely than Nos being scum at the moment.
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Post Post #1702 (isolation #129) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:02 am

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VOTE: Dunnstral
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Post Post #1771 (isolation #130) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:05 pm

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@Dunn the most compelling crumb was the one with watcher in it. Everything else could be open ended to be left to complete interpretation.
You saying you have more power in other words can mean anything. Just because you said it doesn't make it so. I often leave a lot of ambiguity in my powers as scum so as to go back to it later for affirmation to players or ignore it and say i was baiting a kill or something.
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Post Post #1772 (isolation #131) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:06 pm

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In post 1765, pisskop wrote:we do?

No we dont. I sent alert to fire, and it ended up somehow at soi
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Post Post #1773 (isolation #132) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:12 pm

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@Batoru I read Nosferatu as town due to this latest batch of posts, I don't think Nosferatu is good at doing the whole AtE as scum, and I don't think I have seen him do it quite frankly. The only thing that kind of makes me think its fake was you pointing out to him the reaction to a cc in a different game was much different, so he may be just trying to up the emotion for it to seem more "real" but again, I don't think thats likely.

I read Nos as town day 1 by how he played, activity and presence and thoughts.
I compared this game to a game where I had him as a scummate and it didn't match up.
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #133) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:02 pm

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So you are saying Batoru is scum and people acting odd around them are team mates?
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Post Post #1785 (isolation #134) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:15 pm

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In post 1784, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 1781, Fire Assassin wrote:So you are saying Batoru is scum and people acting odd around them are team mates?
I didn't specify what I figured "Odd" would be but yes, in general if someone is acting different towards Batoru (distancing or defending as a generality) than I'd be very suspicious of that slot.

Also yes my prior would've been lying on that. I received an ability last night.
You are basically telling me my strongest townread is scum right now.

You are also doing a pre flip analysis of Batoru interactions.

You sir, are the scummiest player here.
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Post Post #1798 (isolation #135) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:04 pm

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I can't tell what the hell aj is doing here.
Zero analysis on dunn or nosferatu.

Why is he trying to get into a fight with Batoru?
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Post Post #1799 (isolation #136) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:04 pm

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In post 1791, Aj The Epic wrote:I'd prefer you get rid of the double watcher scenario first.
Then provide thoughts on which one is scum and town?
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Post Post #1801 (isolation #137) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:06 pm

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It seems so weird to me to go into RVS pick up a post and call them scum immediately and say anyone is scum with them and say it with such certainty.
How about a case tomorrow, they aren't getting lynched. They also might not even be here tomorrow.
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Post Post #1804 (isolation #138) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:12 pm

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there is no town utility for fake claiming that.
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Post Post #1805 (isolation #139) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:13 pm

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It was anti town at best because he was trying not to be targeted.
I don't see what use town would have saying that beyond having a redirector that they use say on pisskop.

Which seems more plausible at the moment than when i first thought of it.
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Post Post #1808 (isolation #140) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:19 pm

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In post 1807, Aj The Epic wrote:Yeah uhm let me download the few gigabytes of information in this thread straight to my brain and give you an analysis an hour after switching in.
I think its really weird, you jump in and say Batoru is scum for stuff in RVS (very limited info there), then when I ask you some thoughts on two different players. You say "theres so much information I can't just GIVE IT TO YOU NOW"

You just proved you can make a read from little.
Why do you need to process everything from these two now?

Also, no rush. I just thought since you were very opinionated very early you formed reads pretty fast with very little info. Because thats what it appeared like to me.
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Post Post #1811 (isolation #141) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:21 pm

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In post 1807, Aj The Epic wrote:Well there is, and that's to collect roles. This slot has one amendment to it from normal and that's that we're non-compulsive. Going by his actions, this was exactly what he aimed for as he didn't take action last night anyways.
I am confused, how did you ability give roles?
Also collecting role info isn't exactly town utility, at best not alignment indicative.
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Post Post #1812 (isolation #142) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:22 pm

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In post 1810, Not Chara wrote:'collect roles'? that claim has the effect of making no one want to target him. a bad way to collect roles. unless i'm misunderstanding your meaning.

has everyone posted today? i think we're still missing the recipient of Gamma's 'ping'.
This also.
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Post Post #1818 (isolation #143) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:37 pm

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In post 1815, Not Chara wrote:Fire: i think you're wrong about Nosferatu. for one, saying that he's less likely scum because he doesn't look similar to
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scumgame.. the sample size is just too small for reliable meta. people play differently for a variety of reasons. alignment is one of them, but timing, mood, the 'feel' of the game, etc.... there are two many other factors for a confident judgement. Nos's reaction to me wasn't towny, it was just emotional. players don't have to be faking emotion to be scum, if you really think Nos wouldn't be able to fake it. it just felt he was more concerned with dismissing accusations than reading anyone. saying it was stupid for anyone to think he was scum, when mechanically he and Dunn were both equally likely to be scum. and his forced humour at the accusations when it was obvious he was angry.
More concerned with dismissing accusations? How is that scummy?
he acted in a way town players act when pushed.

Someone pushes you, who you know is town you push back heavily call them bad/stupid/etc. Thats what Nos did.
Which one is more trying to read people in this scenario?
Neither!

Nosferatu is calling people bad and stupid and acting out.
Dunnstral is calling people scum who don't believe him.

What is the forced humor you are talking about?
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Post Post #1821 (isolation #144) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:40 pm

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In post 1820, Not Chara wrote:
In post 1818, Fire Assassin wrote:What is the forced humor you are talking about?
um. really?
Chara, we haven't seen much eye to eye this game.
Much of it is i can't see your point of view that well. Hell that probably is why I have been thinking your scum off and on for last 40 some pages.

So please point out what is obvious to you that I am missing.
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Post Post #1825 (isolation #145) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:43 pm

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In post 1823, BATORU wrote:@Fire what game is the scum game with Nos you were talking about?

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Basically nosferatu lurked, provided surface thoughts to the game, did a bit of bussing, and somewhat ignored people pushing on him.
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Post Post #1827 (isolation #146) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:45 pm

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In post 1824, Not Chara wrote:Nos is pulling the 'haha, you're so stupid, i can't believe you'd think this' performance, but it doesn't feel like he's really laughing.
yeah he isn't laughing.
He is angry and posting a lot of sarcasm mixed with passive aggressive attitude.

Its not really meant to be humorous from what I see, its trying to get the point across that you are ridiculous.
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Post Post #1829 (isolation #147) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:48 pm

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I am so deeply confirmation biasing myself that I honestly wish I had a hydra partner to tell me to shut the fuck up and take a break from game so i can regain perspective later.
You have no idea how much I believe my mind is twisting stuff to support my read.

cause honestly, I don't see anything outright scummy from dunnstral.
Nothing.

He just doesn't seem as town to me as Nosferatu.
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Post Post #1835 (isolation #148) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:52 pm

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In post 1833, Sickofit1138 wrote:Nos or dunn is not even questionable about their lynch. Nos first. then he flips town then dunn. Pretty sure nos is scum over dunn
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Post Post #1838 (isolation #149) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:53 pm

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In post 1826, Nahdia wrote:Nosferatu (4): Dunnstral, drealmerz7, Not Chara, BTD6_Maker
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Post Post #1842 (isolation #150) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:55 pm

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In post 1832, Not Chara wrote:
In post 1827, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1824, Not Chara wrote:Nos is pulling the 'haha, you're so stupid, i can't believe you'd think this' performance, but it doesn't feel like he's really laughing.
yeah he isn't laughing.
He is angry and posting a lot of sarcasm mixed with passive aggressive attitude.

Its not really meant to be humorous from what I see, its trying to get the point across that you are ridiculous.
drealmerz and Sickofit are 'VIs', from Nos's posting today. no anger from Nos, just annoyed acceptance. but with me, it's the effort put into posts like that long sarcastic one, to make fun. but i'm 'dumb scum', so why is all of his effort going into convincing/discrediting me? why is he angry at the scum pushing him? not the wrong town?

does it not make sense to you why i'm thinking any of this?
I guess that makes more sense, but still not really convinced.
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Post Post #1848 (isolation #151) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:00 pm

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Time to ignore my own brain for a bit.
VOTE: Nosferatu

Not the end of the world if this ends up a mislynch.
Although if it is i can't claim i am better than anyone for avoiding being on the Sondam wagon.
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Post Post #1849 (isolation #152) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:01 pm

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In post 1845, Dunnstral wrote:First of all, are there two alert spells?

Second, why is Fire calling me scum and ignoring points and then thinking it's bad that I scumread him if he's going to admit he doesn't scumread me
I didn't ignore anything.
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Post Post #1853 (isolation #153) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:07 pm

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In post 1851, BATORU wrote:
In post 1829, Fire Assassin wrote:I am so deeply confirmation biasing myself that I honestly wish I had a hydra partner to tell me to shut the fuck up and take a break from game so i can regain perspective later.
Shut the fuck up and take a break from the game to regain perspective later <3

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Thanks <3
In post 1852, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 1848, Fire Assassin wrote: if it is i can't claim i am better than anyone for avoiding being on the Sondam wagon.
you could claim it

but then we'd have to lynch you
I am better than anyone who was on the Sondam wagon :D
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Post Post #1967 (isolation #154) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:18 pm

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Everyone unvote, we are not rushing this day.
I am very disappointed in myself for compromising yesterday.
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Post Post #1968 (isolation #155) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:20 pm

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In post 1916, pisskop wrote:ewww.

what gave you the idea fire was waffling?
I said multiple times throughout the day actually that I thought it was Dunnstral over Nosferatu.
I just decided to give into the leading wagon since I thought there might be a good chance I was wrong.
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #156) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:23 pm

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Spoiler: My posts yesterday
In post 1848, Fire Assassin wrote:Time to ignore my own brain for a bit.
VOTE: Nosferatu

Not the end of the world if this ends up a mislynch.
Although if it is i can't claim i am better than anyone for avoiding being on the Sondam wagon.
In post 1829, Fire Assassin wrote:I am so deeply confirmation biasing myself that I honestly wish I had a hydra partner to tell me to shut the fuck up and take a break from game so i can regain perspective later.
You have no idea how much I believe my mind is twisting stuff to support my read.

cause honestly, I don't see anything outright scummy from dunnstral.
Nothing.

He just doesn't seem as town to me as Nosferatu.
In post 1827, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1824, Not Chara wrote:Nos is pulling the 'haha, you're so stupid, i can't believe you'd think this' performance, but it doesn't feel like he's really laughing.
yeah he isn't laughing.
He is angry and posting a lot of sarcasm mixed with passive aggressive attitude.

Its not really meant to be humorous from what I see, its trying to get the point across that you are ridiculous.
In post 1825, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1823, BATORU wrote:@Fire what game is the scum game with Nos you were talking about?

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=68191

Basically nosferatu lurked, provided surface thoughts to the game, did a bit of bussing, and somewhat ignored people pushing on him.
In post 1701, Fire Assassin wrote:This really feels like nosferatu is going to be flipping town.
I really starting to think Dunnstral was making an example of a role and used watcher and got lucky, as in it just so happened he claimed watcher later.
Is that insane? Maybe, but it feels more likely than Nos being scum at the moment.
In post 1771, Fire Assassin wrote:@Dunn the most compelling crumb was the one with watcher in it. Everything else could be open ended to be left to complete interpretation.
You saying you have more power in other words can mean anything. Just because you said it doesn't make it so. I often leave a lot of ambiguity in my powers as scum so as to go back to it later for affirmation to players or ignore it and say i was baiting a kill or something.
In post 1773, Fire Assassin wrote:@Batoru I read Nosferatu as town due to this latest batch of posts, I don't think Nosferatu is good at doing the whole AtE as scum, and I don't think I have seen him do it quite frankly. The only thing that kind of makes me think its fake was you pointing out to him the reaction to a cc in a different game was much different, so he may be just trying to up the emotion for it to seem more "real" but again, I don't think thats likely.

I read Nos as town day 1 by how he played, activity and presence and thoughts.
I compared this game to a game where I had him as a scummate and it didn't match up.

I don't know how pisskop thought i was really favoring nosferatu if you just read my posts, I never call dunnstral town and the only thing that i thought gave him any merit was his watcher crumb which i also claimed was possibly just dumb luck.

I mean my vote on nosferatu was me saying " i am ignoring all my previous reasoning" because i felt i was conf biasing myself so hard. Turned out I was right originally but town wasn't going that way.
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Post Post #1971 (isolation #157) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:26 pm

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In post 1934, Aj The Epic wrote:Claim RB dunn.

VOTE: Dunn
WHY DID YOU CLAIM THIS!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Post Post #1973 (isolation #158) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:29 pm

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We have confirms on Dunn being scum, so I want to VCA today.
I want nobody to claim anything.

If we can get dunn doing associations that would be great, but unlikely since he is probably going to just troll or not participate.
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Post Post #1975 (isolation #159) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:32 pm

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In post 1974, Aj The Epic wrote:It was a spell. Scum already know how they got targeted, because Dunn holds the spell.
You just ensured your own death tonight though.
You could claim that shit tomorrow instead.
>.>
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Post Post #1978 (isolation #160) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:36 pm

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UGHALGHALGHA

Anger.
Just fucking anger.
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Post Post #1981 (isolation #161) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:39 pm

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I wish I was a serial killer in this game.
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Post Post #1984 (isolation #162) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:41 pm

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Pisskop, why did you think i favored nosferatu lynch?
What made you think I really thought of him as strong scum?
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Post Post #2011 (isolation #163) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:06 am

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In post 2007, BTD6_maker wrote:Aj the Epic Roleblocked Dunn, although I doubt Dunn submitted the kill, being pretty much confscum.

If Aj didn't stop the kill, what did? I know I protected Dunn N1 so Dunn is in possession of a Doc spell.

Dunn, who did you target with the Doc spell?

I want to know this before I vote Dunn.
Okay, please go over why you healed dunnstral over all other players.
Please do this.

Because he wasn't in the top 5 for a night kill. So I have no idea of your supposed reasoning on this.
In post 2009, BTD6_maker wrote:Dunn, please claim your Doc target.
He is scum.
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #164) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:08 am

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In post 2001, Prism wrote:Also I want my towncred for calling Dunnstral Day 1 while everyone called him town and lynched my two townreads, I sucked and scumread Nos too and picked wrong in the 50/50 but I'm taking my chance to say I told you so.
This kind of made me laugh.
"I called dunn day 1 even though I lynched my townreads over him!"
Well played prism.

Well played.
Top tier player over here.
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #165) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:11 am

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In post 2004, Not Chara wrote:
In post 1975, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1974, Aj The Epic wrote:It was a spell. Scum already know how they got targeted, because Dunn holds the spell.
You just ensured your own death tonight though.
You could claim that shit tomorrow instead.
>.>
i don't understand that. assuming the spell is 1-shot, it doesn't make Aj more of a target than anyone else.
It depends on if scum are trying to kill players they think are threats to them in day or won't get mislynched or if they are trying to get rid of the power roles.

If they are trying to just get rid of power roles no he isn't likely to die, but I think thats the wrong approach to kills.
Considering who has died to kills so far, they aren't using my approach so you might have a valid point here
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Post Post #2014 (isolation #166) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:16 am

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In post 1987, BATORU wrote:
Spoiler: D1
In post 150, Nahdia wrote:
Dunnstral
(3):
Nosferatu
, pisskop,
Sondam

Sondam
(2):
Wisdom, Fire Assassin
Wisdom (2):
Prism,
Dunnstral

Not Chara (1):
BTD6_Maker
Nosferatu
(1):
ironstove
ironstove (1):
Mega Frozen


Not Voting (3):
drealmerz7, Not Chara,
BATORU
In post 292, Nahdia wrote:
Sondam
(3):
Wisdom, Fire Assassin, Not Chara
Dunnstral
(2):
Nosferatu
,
Sondam

Mega Frozen
(2):
BATORU
, Prism
Not Chara (1):
BTD6_Maker
Nosferatu
(1):
ironstove
ironstove (1):
Mega Frozen

BTD6_Maker (1):
drealmerz7
drealmerz7 (1):
Dunnstral

Fire Assassin (1):
pisskop

Not Voting (0):
In post 356, Nahdia wrote:
ironstove (4):
Mega Frozen
, pisskop, Fire Assassin,
Dunnstral

Mega Frozen
(3):
Prism, BTD6_Maker, ironstove
Sondam
(2):
Wisdom, Not Chara
Dunnstral
(1):
Sondam

BTD6_Maker (1):
drealmerz7
drealmerz7 (1):
Nosferatu


Not Voting (1):
BATORU
In post 419, Nahdia wrote:
ironstove (3):
pisskop, Fire Assassin,
Dunnstral

Gamma Emerald
(3):
Prism, BTD6_Maker, ironstove
Sondam
(2):
Wisdom, Not Chara
BTD6_Maker (1):
drealmerz7
drealmerz7 (1):
Nosferatu

Nosferatu
(1):
BATORU

pisskop (1):
Sondam


Not Voting (1):
Gamma Emerald
In post 500, Nahdia wrote:
ironstove (3):
pisskop, Fire Assassin,
Dunnstral

Sondam
(2):
Wisdom, Not Chara
BTD6_Maker (2):
drealmerz7,
Sondam

Gamma Emerald
(1):
BTD6_Maker
drealmerz7 (1):
Nosferatu

Nosferatu
(1):
BATORU

Prism (1):
ironstove
Dunnstral
(1):
Prism

Not Voting (1):
Gamma Emerald
In post 550, Nahdia wrote:
Sondam
(5):
Wisdom, Not Chara,
Dunnstral
,
Nosferatu
, BTD6_Maker
ironstove (2):
pisskop, Fire Assassin
BTD6_Maker (2):
drealmerz7,
Sondam

Wisdom (1):
Gamma Emerald

Nosferatu
(1):
BATORU

Prism (1):
ironstove
Dunnstral
(1):
Prism

Not Voting (0):
In post 700, Nahdia wrote:
Sondam
(5):
Wisdom, Not Chara,
Dunnstral
,
Nosferatu
, BTD6_Maker
ironstove (2):
pisskop, Fire Assassin
BTD6_Maker (1):
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Wisdom (1):
Gamma Emerald

Nosferatu
(1):
BATORU

Gamma Emerald
(1):
ironstove
Dunnstral
(1):
Prism

Not Voting (1):
Sondam
In post 801, Nahdia wrote:
Sondam
(5):
Not Chara,
Dunnstral
,
Nosferatu
, BTD6_Maker, pisskop
Wisdom (2):
Gamma Emerald
,
Sondam

ironstove (1):
Fire Assassin
BTD6_Maker (1):
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Nosferatu
(1):
BATORU

Gamma Emerald
(1):
ironstove
Dunnstral
(1):
Prism
drealmerz (1):
Wisdom

Not Voting (0):
In post 919, Nahdia wrote:
Sondam
(4):
Dunnstral
, BTD6_Maker, pisskop,
Nosferatu

Wisdom (2):
Gamma Emerald
,
Sondam

Nosferatu
(2):
BATORU
, Prism
ironstove (1):
Fire Assassin
Gamma Emerald
(1):
ironstove
drealmerz (1):
Wisdom
Dunnstral
(1):
Not Chara

Not Voting (1):
drealmerz7
In post 970, Nahdia wrote:
Sondam
(3):
Dunnstral
, BTD6_Maker, pisskop
Not Chara (3):
Fire Assassin,
Gamma Emerald
,
Nosferatu

Wisdom (2):
Sondam
, drealmerz7
Nosferatu
(1):
Prism
Gamma Emerald
(1):
ironstove
drealmerz (1):
Wisdom
Dunnstral
(1):
Not Chara

Not Voting (1):
BATORU
In post 1162, Nahdia wrote:
Dunnstral
(3):
Not Chara, pisskop,
Gamma Emerald

Not Chara (2):
Fire Assassin,
Nosferatu

Sondam
(2):
Dunnstral
, BTD6_Maker
pisskop (1):
Sondam

Nosferatu
(1):
Prism
Gamma Emerald
(1):
ironstove
drealmerz (1):
Wisdom
BTD6_Maker (1):
drealmerz7

Not Voting (1):
BATORU
In post 1200, Nahdia wrote:
Dunnstral
(3):
pisskop,
Gamma Emerald
, drealmerz7
Sondam
(3):
Dunnstral
, BTD6_Maker, ironstove
Not Chara (2):
Fire Assassin,
Nosferatu

pisskop (1):
Sondam

Nosferatu
(1):
Prism
drealmerz (1):
Sickofit1138
Gamma Emerald
(1):
Not Chara

Not Voting (1):
BATORU
In post 1325, Nahdia wrote:
Sondam
(4):
Dunnstral
, BTD6_Maker,
Nosferatu
, pisskop
pisskop (4):
Sondam
,
Gamma Emerald
, drealmerz7, ironstove
Not Chara (1):
Fire Assassin
Nosferatu
(1):
Prism
drealmerz (1):
Sickofit1138
Gamma Emerald
(1):
Not Chara

Not Voting (1):
BATORU
In post 1425, Nahdia wrote:
Sondam
(3):
Nosferatu
, pisskop, Not Chara
pisskop (2):
drealmerz7, BTD6_Maker
ironstove (2):
Gamma Emerald
, Fire Assassin
Not Chara (2):
Dunnstral
,
Sondam

Gamma Emerald
(1):
ironstove
Dunnstral
(1):
Prism
drealmerz (1):
Sickofit1138

Not Voting (1):
BATORU
In post 1514, Nahdia wrote:
Sondam
(5):
Nosferatu
, pisskop,
Dunnstral
,
Gamma Emerald
, Prism
Gamma Emerald
(4):
ironstove, drealmerz7,
BATORU
, Not Chara
pisskop (2):
BTD6_Maker,
Sondam

ironstove (1):
Fire Assassin
Prism (1):
Sickofit1138

Not Voting (0):
In post 1553, Nahdia wrote:
Sondam
(7):
pisskop,
Dunnstral
,
Gamma Emerald
, Prism,
Nosferatu
, Not Chara,
BATORU

pisskop (3):
BTD6_Maker,
Sondam
, Sickofit1138
Gamma Emerald
(2):
ironstove, drealmerz7
ironstove (1):
Fire Assassin

Not Voting (0):

Spoiler: D2
In post 1675, Nahdia wrote:
Nosferatu
(3):
Dunnstral
, drealmerz7,
BATORU

Dunnstral
(2):
Nosferatu
, pisskop

Not Voting (6):
Sickofit1138, Not Chara, Prism, ironstove, BTD6_Maker, Fire Assassin
In post 1826, Nahdia wrote:
Nosferatu
(4):
Dunnstral
, drealmerz7, Not Chara, BTD6_Maker
Dunnstral
(2):
Nosferatu
, Fire Assassin
Aj The Epic (1):
pisskop
Fire Assassin(1):
Aj The Epic

Not Voting (3):
Sickofit1138, Prism,
BATORU
In post 1904, Nahdia wrote:
Nosferatu
(5):
Dunnstral
, drealmerz7, Not Chara, BTD6_Maker, Fire Assassin
Dunnstral
(2):
Nosferatu
,
BATORU

Aj The Epic (1):
pisskop
Fire Assassin(1):
Aj The Epic

Not Voting (2):
Sickofit1138, Prism
In post 1911, Nahdia wrote:
Nosferatu
(6):
Dunnstral
, drealmerz7, Not Chara, BTD6_Maker, Fire Assassin, pisskop
Dunnstral
(2):
Nosferatu
,
BATORU

Fire Assassin(1):
Aj The Epic

Not Voting (2):
Sickofit1138, Prism


Need to post before looking it over from my main. Hydra is on a light theme, colors are hurting my eyes.

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--Pisskop isn't as strong town from looking at this.
--BTD6 is still strong scum candidate by votes
--Prism is null and I wonder if they do day one bussing.
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Post Post #2043 (isolation #167) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:10 pm

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Okay, so I am still thinking BTD6 is scum.
Again I feel that might be conf biasing here especially given how he is actin around dunn so far this day, but it legit bugs me him during the past few days and then his reasoning for just healing him while seems possible I don't understand why he thought Dunnstral was likely to die over another townread.

So BTD6 is likely scum in my eyes.

The reason I wanted to delay was to do VCA, and do more ISOs and see what I can draw from Dunn to others because I thought there was high likely hood I was going to die tonight (I have such an ego).

Anyways, If I do die. I think FoS should be on BTD6 and Prism. Though I am honestly null on Prism everyone else has given me town feelings or something. The only other person I am not 100% sold on town is drealmerz because I think theres a possibility he has been buddying me for last few days.

I am ready to end the day:
VOTE: Dunnstral
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Post Post #2044 (isolation #168) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:13 pm

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So right now in my mind its like this:

Town (99% Confidence): BATORU, Sockofit1138, Not Chara
Leaning Town (70% Confidence): Pisskop, Aj The Epic
Weaker Town (65% Confidence): Drealmerz
Null (No leaning): Prism
Scum (80% Confidence): BTD6
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