Mini 1849 : DotA Mafia [R2 - SD] Game Over?!!

[JaeReed]

We're in mylo, there's no guarantee of whether the scum are both in one pt or split between them, it's random.

Dunnstral has no vote today.

[JaeReed]

Ok, quick and dirty version

Day 1, there were lots of little wagons, but none on Creature and Leonshade. Creature and Leonshade seem heavily in OMGUS defense move, as demonstrated by 1.2 and throughout. They are collectively passive, sheeping whatever is not them. Creature has tunnelled the Sonia slot for a good chunk of the game, only arguing for me/Nahdia when it's clear that Sonia is unlikely to be mislynched. Creature and Leon collectively have thrown a lot of shade at posts that likely have nightkill immunity and bp issues. Why? Because murdering someone who is bp/commuted is hard for scum.

Leon was town.

[JaeReed]

Titus, if you think it's Creature and Dunn can we go to Dunn instead? I keep thinking Creature's town. Is there anyone that Creature could be scum with aside from Dunn in your estimations?

[JaeReed]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Still kind of think Creature is town here, so I would prefer this, even if it just delays a potential loss by one day.

[JaeReed]

UNVOTE:

[JaeReed]

Dunn, people don't want to no lynch and you made the stupid ass decision to block Sonia so now you don't have a fucking vote. If you're town we literally can't lynch scum today without scum bussing.

Like, 1) You're making no effort to convince me not to listen to Titus and I know full well that you can make actual arguments from my time with you in previous games.
2) You're without a vote and Creature doesn't want a no lynch.

I can try to no lynch but more than likely it's not going to go through and we'll have to wait 6 days if you want it.

[JaeReed]

Like, I'm fucking pissed here because I think you/Creature isn't the team but I can't get scum lynched in the case that you're not scum because you went and paranoia derped.

Then you've been trying to set up some weird ass "scum probably tried to kill so it's sonia right?" narrative when it makes more sense for scum to no kill in the situation we had yesterday.

[JaeReed]

I think it's dumb. As dumb as Titus using her shackleshot on Sonia because she apparently thought me & Sonia were the opposite roles and wanted to confirm I wasn't lying about commuting. Neither action makes logical sense.

You'd do it as scum to stop Sonia from activating another ability. That's pretty obvious?

[JaeReed]

I honestly don't know the connection. I originally thought you could be mafia with Nahdia. You/Nahdia or Titus/Nahdia which is why I didn't want to say much in the hood overnight about my thoughts there.

[JaeReed]

That's why I wanted the Nahdia lynch over any other today so I could put off potentially losing on who their partner was the next day.

[JaeReed]

Fair point.

No lynch is good.

VOTE: No Lynch

[JaeReed]

I can't die. I'll be commuting.

[JaeReed]

There are 2 scum alive, 4 votes to lynch, 6 players.
It's mylo. We no lynch. I have literally never won by lynching in mylo.

[JaeReed]

Yup, and if scum no kill we no lynch again.

I'm commuting every night from here. I'm also refusing to vote in mylo.

[JaeReed]

<3 it's a release, Sonia. I free you from your contract.

[JaeReed]

Last reads, Sonia?

[JaeReed]

Minor question: did you ask for the quicker night, Jaereed?

Nope.

Also, myko! <3 hi

[JaeReed]

VOTE: No lynch

Talking is bad here. The scumteam must kill or they lose. My scumreads are patently obvious imo.

Nah thank you. I have found 2 conftown I'm going to see the end of the game with or I'm wrong about them, and with only one of those I have been able to talk. I'm happy to bet the game on Fish and Jae being town, and if we go to night again as far as I can see, Jae eats it. I'll take my time, tyvm.

I can't be killed. I am faceless void. I'm pretty sure I can just commute every night.

[JaeReed]

Does coincidentally tie in nicely with Sonia playing on to an upcoming no kill, but I promise that's just a coincidence.

Was this sarcasm?

[JaeReed]

Dunnstral did you use an action last night?
Same question to Titus.

[JaeReed]

I actually got to read that role, I think. I thought it had a 1 night cd.

it's 1 phase cooldown. So it cools during the day and I can use it the next night. My predec's commuted N1 and N2 lol.

[JaeReed]

No... I tried leveling up my skills but I'm level 1 still

You shouldn't still be level 1? I'm level 4.

[JaeReed]

Remember that after 5 phases with no kill the game will end with everyone loose! <3

@FA just to make sure this is no night kill rather than no lynch? Or are you counting them both?

[JaeReed]

@Dunn Ah okay. Don't know how I missed that.

VOTE: No Lynch

I'm still happy with this. Scum can't knowingly no kill because it'd be playing against win con.
As per last night I'm commuting tonight.

[JaeReed]

I mean, I heard you were opposed. I'm rather in favour of at least discussion the lynch while there are 4 town vs 2 scum in stead of a messy discussion where 3 town have to find another in a group of five. As far as I could tell, yesterday already showed a confused bunch. I think you two are town, lets see if we can find some common ground, discuss stuff, and even if we do no lynch, we actually go into tomorrow with some direction, and not just waiting to see how we can avoid a scum quickhammer at the earliest town voting the wrong way.

I don't want scum to know who they can safely kill.

[JaeReed]

You guys can talk, but I know who I'm voting if they're alive in lylo, and I think it's more beneficial for me not to mention my reads as I'm the only town I can confirm is going to lylo.

I'll consider what's being said but I'm not giving opinions on it.

[JaeReed]

Why? You can still hash things out with Dunnstral and know I'm listening and evaluating based on that. Which then makes it not so useless.

The only difference is I don't want to out reads or give too much information on what they are.

[JaeReed]

I don't plan on starting a conversation. I plan on voting once the nightkill confirms my team.

[JaeReed]

Which means if you have any concerns about any nightkills that you believe might lead me to a false positive now is probably the time to bring it up.

[JaeReed]

Fine, myko. Why do you think Sonia/LLD (Titus) is possible given the way LLD reacted on D2 when Sonia changed her mind on her?

[JaeReed]

myko, thoughts?

[JaeReed]

I kind of suspected Sonia to still be alive, lol.

[JaeReed]

Which was a big part of why I didn't really want to give my thoughts away. If anyone else had died she was confscum, but I knew I'd given pretty much a hard tr on her prior but didn't know if people picked up I was paranoid by the fact that I went to push the no lynch til a death.

[JaeReed]

Actually, given LLD was pushing Sonia/Dunnstral slot as the team and Sonia died... That rules out that.

So far I have:
Titus/Formerfish (most likely)
Formerfish/Dunnstral (might be paranoia more than anything)

I still kind of just want to lynch Formerfish slot in the end.

I need to check what smith said to me wrt another game's lylo that I blew though. I think it was something about vote orders and who to try to work with.

[JaeReed]

^ not tonight though, I probably need to go to bed tonight

[JaeReed]

I don't particularly? LLD had responses I liked which was the cause of a lot of hesitance. I am aware that I tend to townread AtE though. Which is a large part of why I was still jumpy on Sonia.

That leads me to thinking Dunn roleblocking Sonia made sense from a town pov.

[JaeReed]

I might be complicating things too much. I was always going to vote Titus if any of the teams involving her were still alive so I shouldn't pussyfoot around it and just do it.

VOTE: Titus

Kinda silly to try to talk myself into her being town at this stage after I forced it into this.

[JaeReed]

So were you two the team? Or are we looking at another phase?

[JaeReed]

Actually that looks kinda like a quickhammer. Bleh. Sorry Titus.

[JaeReed]

zzz well I don't think Titus twilight trolls so 2 of you are. Just 'fess up.

Probably former/dunn team. I feel like myko wouldn't troll me here.

[JaeReed]

I've just been here watching you guys waste your time from bed since I'm already sure of who I'm voting.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: Formerfish

[JaeReed]

Oops. *adds another count to the list of mylo/lylos I've lost* I think that's 5 out of...5 so far >.> Honorary mention to the 2 times I went into night declaring Accountant to be conftown and then they went on to win lylo though (so 7 if we count those).

Turns out I really suck at lylo.

[JaeReed]

I no lynched because I was still paranoid that Sonia might be scum. Every time I haven't gone for the no lynch in mylo because someone seemed like the obvious kill it always ended up being really townread mafia.

I did have the thought that Dunn and Titus might have been trying to partner clear with the loss of the vote thing but in the end I went with what I had originally because I was remembering the way LLD and sick seemed to push each other in their ISOs and the way Nahdia and Titus were doing things, sorry.

[JaeReed]

Oops. *adds another count to the list of mylo/lylos I've lost* I think that's 5 out of...5 so far >.> Honorary mention to the 2 times I went into night declaring Accountant to be conftown and then they went on to win lylo though (so 7 if we count those).

Turns out I really suck at lylo.

Maybe you should participate instead of just voting. Just a thought. I know that I wasn't much help, but shit you could have talked to me once during the game to figure out my alignment.

By that stage after Nahdia refused to engage with me properly over things there was really nothing you could have said to change my mind I think. As soon as I decided Nahdia's replace out was NAI in actuality I think I was always going to be lynching your slot.

[JaeReed]

game was frustrating to say the least.

I hope you were yelling at me in the dead thread <3

[JaeReed]

This was pretty much ideal for me, when Jae decided to do the game on jae's own

I mean all that was specifically so that scum wouldn't know I wanted them to kill Sonia to remove that doubt for me. Which was why I said if you talked I'd listen, but I didn't want to give up my stance of who was scum too clearly because if Titus knew I wasn't ever lynching Creature slot she might have just killed you over who I wanted her to kill.

I might have still been obvious, idunno :/

[JaeReed]

I would not have killed creature but you. My narrative was Creature/Dunn. Killing Creature at that point did nothing. As long as the narrative was ff/me or Creature/Dunn, we were fine no matter the lynch.

Except you couldn't kill me because I'd just commute every night.