Mini 1878: Darkest Dungeon Mafia - VICTORY

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Arwen and Aragorn

Pressure cookin' here.

[Varsoon]

Pfft! I'm no coward. If there is treasure in these forgotten relics, I shall grasp it. If only snakes rise to bite my wrist, I will strangle them.

Curio: Varsoon

[Varsoon]

Real talk, though, we should resolve this Curio vote before the lynch, because it can help inform the lynch and our night actions.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, but here's the rub, Vifam;
I don't trust you. I don't know your alignment and I don't know your role.
I know I'm town. I know my role. I know I can handle the curio if it turns out good or bad.

[Varsoon]

Y'can't just say 'dibs', man.

[Varsoon]

Also, though I'm sure this has little relevance here, I believe having Holy Water makes searching the urn give twice the reward or something. Regardless, it's actually one of the places that leans bane more than boon in the game.

Of course, thinking of how Andrius set this up, I am unsure if he's just doing a dice roll or what to resolve things or if it is predetermined.
If predetermined, I'm more willing to believe this first one to be something negative rather than positive just based on the game rhetoric.
But hey
I'm not gonna let that psyche me out.

[Varsoon]

Spoiler: Someone's item table from the actual game, for reference:

[Varsoon]

Considering that the Urn can resolve before a lynch, and not the other way around, it makes sense to me that resolving the Urn is the first priority of day 1 so that we have more time to sift through all of the information presented to us post-Urn. This includes whatever information the Urn gave us.

Do you disagree?

I agree. Curios should be resolved within the first few days of our deadline so that we have more info to work with. Furthermore:

@MOD: Are the effects of an Investigation made public?
Can you give us an idea of how the format of an Investigation will resolve/be handled when it does happen?

I'm also really against the Wraith wagon hitting L-1 so quickly when we're still trying to investigate the Curio, especially with some people pushing on it that were against me getting the Curio/Curio investigation happening early. Not to mention A&A getting to be the leading wagon then pulling the Wraith wagon out for a very quick push up to L-1. Feels like scum'd be on there somewhere, for one of those reasons or another.

I'm not the Crusader, but I don't think that the Crusader would have any reason for wanting the Urn over any other item. If we're following logic from the actual game of Darkest Dungeon, wouldn't we want Grave Robber to search everything? What would make Crusader a more likely pick for the urn than, say, Vestal?

I also agree--I think Investigations are likely to affect our stress mechanic.

[Varsoon]

Crusader gives the holy water provisional item, which nullifies the urn.

lmao @pine

Ah, forgot that. Last time I played was right when they added the Houndmaster. Been holding off until I could get the full game + DLC, probably gonna do so for PS4.

[Varsoon]

Spoiler: Talking about the game, Darkest Dungeon, and not this Mafia game:

I found that, with early builds of the game, it felt very very wide but not deep. There were a lot of different classes and options, but that's about as far as it got. Encounters weren't varied enough and I felt that I couldn't play with team compositions too much given the way the mechanics were handled. I also felt that I kind of had to cheese certain mechanics for advantages on stress/healing since getting stress removed/healing done out of combat was hard to come by. It felt like the game was tripping over itself to apply a sense of difficulty solely via annoying restrictions like minimal out-of-combat healing, level caps for dungeons, really high grind for upgrades in town, etc. I know the amount of heirlooms needed had changed at least once while I was playing (along with corpses dropping rather than disappearing) so I crossed my fingers that the final game + DLC would have a bit more depth of content while being a little less restrictive.

Regardless, wouldn't the Crusader have some indication on their role card that they have Holy Water. It would be kind of awkward to hope they just divine the flavor scenario otherwise.

[Varsoon]

I voted for you to push your wagon to 3 votes, which I hoped would make you engage with the game a bit more beyond roleplayish posts and, maybe, even break us out of RVS.
I didn't really like your logic for pushing on Wraith: I don't see what's scummy about self-preservation via pushing the Curio to someone who's asking for it as well as asking about if voting me is a towntell. I kept my vote there if only because your vote 59 felt like a push away from getting the Curio handled ASAP. Yeah, Wraith's early content was weak, but you had more than enough times to abandon ship, especially if you were just putting pressure there for weak content--why hadn't your vote swapped to Alisae for the post you were critical of?

Also, I just haven't really caught anything else that appeals to me for a vote.

As far as the Wraith wagon goes now:
Clumsy's vote and sticking with the wagon feels meandering.
Prism's vote there falls more into my criticism of you--their minimal content so far and resistance to the curio voting bothers me.
Alisae's 'pressure' vote falls short for me--what is Alisae looking to pressure out of Wraith, even? I don't get it. Seems more in line with 'meh, I'll sheep this' going-with-the-flow that happened when Alisae curio voted me.
SirCakez admitted he thinks I'm trying to make fake appeals for towniness while jumping on the later end of a fast growing wagon, but with little reason why that wagon was appealing. Feels like he wants me to get the Curio because I might not be town but then he goes and votes someone else, running contrary to letting us have an informed day with the investigation early and lynch later.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Prism

[Varsoon]

For the record, I like where you are now on engagement, A&A. I found your early stuff (between the roleplay and 'what joke'?) to be meandering.

[Varsoon]

If interacting with a Curio brings a

party-wide

boon/ill, such as messing with this:

, then the full effect would be stated in-thread.

@MOD: Who counts as a member of the 'party'?

[Varsoon]

Alright, cool. Just making sure I hadn't missed some mechanic where it was, like, people voting for the Curio Investigator or something.

[Varsoon]

@A&A: I find the votes towards an early lynch on Wraith incongruous with stacking Curio votes on me. To me, the rational thing to do would be to see how the Curio resolves first, then go about figuring out a lynch. Instead, I see this as forcing what may be a negative outcome onto me and then ending the day before shit all can happen in response to it. Feels scum motivated, if only due to my PoV.

I understand not wanting to 'abandon ship', but I'm curious why you're still on the ship.

[Varsoon]

Let's resolve this Curio business. By my count, I'm at L-1 to Investigate. Maybe we should write that as I-1?

[Varsoon]

@A&A: Do you think your vote is going to get them to significantly interact with you, though? And, furthermore, is a player failing to significantly interact with you regarded as worthy of a lynch?

[Varsoon]

Wow I really wanted to investigate the box Im kinda pissed

It's an URN, Vifam. It's like you don't even care about the Curio's identity and just care about getting all up in it.

[Varsoon]

If this one turns out to be shit, I'll let you get the next one, viFAM.

[Varsoon]

It's just the general catch-all name for these things we can investigate each day.
Might turn out good
Might turn out bad
Might be fuck all

[Varsoon]

Wraith wagon is pretty much just some weak early Wraith posts that caught votes and then saw quick sheeping.
Game is 7 pages long, s'not like you can't follow it.

[Varsoon]

@Vifam: I'm just kinda angry people would have the balls to haphazardly sheep a wagon to L-1 when we haven't even investigated the Curio yet.

@Clumsy: 'Meandering' as in kinda just going with one thing or another but not really driven by strong, consistent logic. Like that you could care less? I would've expected you to unvote or double down on the wagon more passionately, y'know?
And, ayyy, we could beat up the Shambler. Or party-wipe. Who knows?
I thought the Tomb Robber got some bonus--guess it was to traps? Regardless, yeah.
I expect anyone with a role-based capacity to better interact with Curios would claim it.

@A&A: Just because you don't understand what I'm asking doesn't make it a shitty question. Let me make it clearer:
Do you think a vote on Wraith is the best way to get them to interact? Why not any different strategy?
What informs a scumread on Wraith, if you are, in fact, scumreading Wraith?
Do you want a lynch on Wraith for that failure to interact with you?

Not going to discuss semantics of how a vote should function within any game of mafia.

[Varsoon]

I cant read.
VC/CC incoming.

GET HYPE

inb4 now I have to go to church every night because of my crippling anxiety

[Varsoon]

I love this more than I should. - Andy

[Varsoon]

VARSOON gained the quirk DEVIANT TASTES

My title is Scatman, after all.

[Varsoon]

Nope. I'm now Virtuous, which makes me immune to Afflictions.

[Varsoon]

I probably shouldn't have claimed that, but hey
Figure I'll put info on the table.

[Varsoon]

This makes me think the scum team can afflict people, maybe?
Stay away from me with your fuckin' wine, you skellymans.

[Varsoon]

Apparently so.

[Varsoon]

Or it paints a target on my back.
Regardless, if afflictions only come from investigations, then that makes me a clearer choice for future Curios. Still. Was hoping for a different outcome, I guess.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, I'd much rather spread the wealth.

[Varsoon]

@Prism: Ah, I was reading your not being a fan of the curio votes for me as just not being a fan of curio votes amassing rather than the 'me' part of it.
I just want more posts from you, is all. Especially if they're all going to be as insightful as 209 here.

P-EDIT: I just said that I'd rather that any power gained from Curios gets spread out.

[Varsoon]

Me being a clearer choice for investigations =/= "Oh, guess I'm getting every Curio haha"

[Varsoon]

@Prism: Taking a strong stance (voting for a player) and backing said stance up with specific posts from the game and elaboration on how they inform your position.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon you really wanted that Curio, why again?

A few reasons:
1. Role Related reasons that I can't readily share--my role felt like a good fit to hit the first Curio.
2. I know I'm town, so, from a cynical point of view, I can trust myself with it regardless of how it turns out.
3. I wanted the Curio resolved early into the day phase so that we could focus on scumhunting in a post-Curio environment.
4. The Curio would likely inform actions taken, by both town and scum. With the Curio results public, town is given an advantage at this point in the game.
5. I'm a selfish person who wanted to interact with the game's special mechanic and have the spotlight on myself for a moment.

[Varsoon]

MY bad, SirCakez. I should've used shitty reasoning because apparently good reasoning = trying to act like town = scum.

damn my man

[Varsoon]

I'll just have to pray for forgiveness, I suppose.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Lycanfire

Consider me edging.

[Varsoon]

Fucking yawn, Cakez.
If you're going to read that tone into what I wrote, that's on you.
Yeah, no shit I'm going to leverage my own knowledge of my alignment for the purpose of seeing town get a Curio over anyone else.
I'm working with what I know here.

[Varsoon]

If I was a cop with an inno on you and you wanted the Curio, I'd vouch for you in the same way, "Cakez is town, I trust him with the Investigation."

[Varsoon]

It just happens that my set of information is limited to myself in this circumstance, and so I felt the best plan moving forward was one that I could put absolute faith in.

[Varsoon]

I'm hoping you can contribute more than Reckoner, Kuror0. I'm used to town!Reck being very aggressive on D1 and here there really wasn't anything.

[Varsoon]

What's the point, then?

[Varsoon]

Eat shit, Cakez.

[Varsoon]

I don't really agree that Varsoon tryharding = scum

If I try to explain that to anyone, it becomes a 10 page back and forth that dregs the game into a hole.
I'd much rather just agree to disagree, y'know?

Im townreading Clumsy and AA at the minute, I've still gotta better guage on everyone else

Can you tell me more about your townread on Clumsy? AA I can understand, but what posts has Clumsy made that strike you as especially town?

[Varsoon]

Cakez vote on Varsoon is lame tho and Im willing to put my vote on him for now VOTE: Cakez

I thought you were voting me and Cakez was still voting Wraith.

[Varsoon]

I agree, the doubtcasting on me is lame.
Without a vote there and the admitted curio-voting-for-me-because-he-doubts-my-alignment also is kinda bothersome.

[Varsoon]

Ah--see, this is why I said we should resolve the Curio early, so we can get stuff like this.
Yeah, I felt like if Clumsy was scum, they'd be less apparent about any sort of Curio-related rolefishing. I think the earnesty of "Oh I thought you might be Crusader" after I claimed I wasn't Crusader and he still being fine with me getting the Curio speak towards a town sensibility; Clumsy wasn't trying to use the Curio Investigate as a means of rolefishing by insisting the Crusader get it and unvoting my momentum.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon what your read on Cake and why are you just edge-voting?

#Arwen

Cakez is a non-factor that I won't engage or worry about because I have better ways to sort them out.

UNVOTE:

I like the Lycanfire intro, and I'm curious how anyone sees the Curio business divorced from the Wraith wagon:
Wraith was an early wagon run up to L-1 before the Curio was resolved,
A large part of my push for Curio resolving was to have it done before a lynch,
Ergo, there was a conflict of momentum between the two.

[Varsoon]

If you want reads this early in D1, I'm going to have to let you down.
I haven't taken any notes and I haven't paid much attention and I'm a bad player.
kuror0 -- Catchup posts are kind of loose and don't give me a great idea of their alignment. Null, lean scum due to weak meta analysis.
SirCakez -- Probably scum, mediocre pushes, I'll sort him out regardless, no need for me to vote here D1.
Clumsy -- Feels like he's very sheepy/has fallen into the background of things. That said, early interactions feel town.
Human Sequencer -- Not understanding the criticism of this slot; I think the push against it is poor Re:Wraith wagon, which I never supported.
Prism -- Still a bit iffy about Prism, but they're at least posting a little more.
SlySly -- Literally who? Needs to be engaged. Could be scum letting town duke it out.
Arwen and Aragorn -- Lots of mixed feelings. FA's posting typically pings me as scum. I could live with a lynch here.
Pine -- Feels like SlySly.
Alisae -- I don't get much from Alisae either, as far as strong alignment pings go. Didn't like how sheepy they were early, which feels like it runs contrary to their later snark and stance against SirCakez. Guess it feels more town than scum at this point?
Vifam -- Town.
Wraith -- Probably town given the way the wagon was handled.
Lycanfire -- Needs to post more. Feels kinda town. I dunno.

Whatever.
I'll vote you for making me assess my reads and realize they're all kinda shit:
VOTE: Arwen & Aragorn

[Varsoon]

I'm horrible with the meta, Alisae. Sometimes it makes sense to me but most times it doesn't.
I just don't value sheeping a lot, in general. I feel like those are the kinds of players I don't want to take into late-game, because they're more likely to phone it in and let scum have the win.

[Varsoon]

You're annoying and driving the game in a poor direction.
It's P15 and we've got shit all.
I'm not playing your game.

[Varsoon]

Look at the voting spread, the current conversations happening, and the volume of sheepy/lurky players.
For the player with the most posts in the game, most words posted in the game, and most presence in the game, it's rubbish that they're still harping on the Wraith wagon and other minor game issues.

[Varsoon]

*Parroting what Varsoon just wrote*
*Trying to entrench the game further despite being told 'no'*
*Joking/aggressive rhetoric to try to undermine my position*

No.
I'm just gonna keep voting you and see how it turns out.
You should do something beyond your current mobius strip of game entrenchment and questions that lead nowhere or only seek to reaffirm the concrete reality of the game.

[Varsoon]

Asked for my reads
I told you they were bad
Now you're all "THOSE READS ARE BAD"
Like no way bruh

[Varsoon]

I'm not discrediting them, I'm stating them how they are:
They aren't strong reads. I don't have a good sense of many player's alignments.
I'm not going to try to put glitter on my shit here, Alisae. If someone asks to see my lunch and all I can do is squat over a plate, they get what they asked for.

[Varsoon]

@A&A: We really don't have focus though.
Especially with you being so vehemently quick to try to force me into an entrenched, multi-post, multi-paragraph faceoff with you.
Like, fuck that noise.
I'm just going to vote you.
And if more folks catch my drift, they'll vote you, too.

[Varsoon]

Already explained my vote.
This is the last response you'll get from me on this front.

[Varsoon]

@Mod: Didn't Kuror0 replace xRECKONERx?
Can ye reflect that in the votecount?

I'm a baddie, it has been fixed. - Andy

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

Cakez, how badly did you want to play this game?

[Varsoon]

It was the same type of farfetched but somehow very logical posting

I wouldn't let that point of meta be defining in your read, then. I think you mentioned it before, but it could just be how he approaches the game.

[Varsoon]

I feel you, you flip town more often than you flip scum though so for now based off experience he's reading town. If it changes up so will my read

Well, hot damn, I guess everyone gets a 70% townread to start with ya?

[Varsoon]

Cakez, how badly did you want to play this game?

A good amount, because Andrius is awesome and the mechanics sounded neat-o
What's the point of that question?

Just trying to see how bad I'd feel after hammering you, if it came to that.
But, really, also sort of thinking about your game engagement.
While I'm on the boat with Wraith that your positioning in regard to me after the Curio resolution is awkward, I'm still adamant in voting A&A due to their blatant misreps and grabs at control of the game flow all over a singular vote by me.

[Varsoon]

I like the Cakez wagon, but I'm worried about the silence elsewhere too.

What silence would you like to rouse into sound?

[Varsoon]

@A&A: Why is your first instinct to try to tie a possible scum flip from Cakez into a Cakez/Varsoon team read?
Also, again, you're still doing the sort of garbage I voted you for--asking questions that have already been answered concretely in the thread:

Why do they choose not to vote each other even though it appears they have justified reasons to?

While I'm on the boat with Wraith that your positioning in regard to me after the Curio resolution is awkward, I'm still adamant in voting A&A due to their blatant misreps and grabs at control of the game flow all over a singular vote by me.

And that's not even the only instance of it.
If you're curious why I'm still voting you, it's because you're still playing in a way that has me scumreading you and wanting the lynch on you before Cakez.

[Varsoon]

Pine, SlySly, Kuror0, and Lycan. Lycan made a big post not long ago, but that is their only real post so far.

I agree that Pine and Slysly feel like non-entities and that if they don't post something substantial soon, they should be looked at critically.

Kuror0's supposedly caught up now, so there's no excuse for not engaging moving forward.

Lycan's also in need of more content posted, I agree.

I never quite learned the best way to handle low content/lurky players. In the case of players like Xtoxm, I've learned that those sorts of players could just be playing very minimally/trying to skulk out for either town or scum reasons. That said, I'm not a big fan of 1/3 the playerlist being inactive. I'm going to try bolding at them, since that sort of beetlejuicing typically works for me, but if it doesn't here, we might need prod/replacements/at worst, vote pressure and lynches there. The problem is, if these slots are town, and at least 1 absolutely is, and likely more, that sort of vote pressure/lynching/game direction benefits scum the most.

@Pine:

Can you post more regularly, please? At the very least, can you give reads or stances on some of the more impactful aspects of the game so far?

@SlySly:

Can you post more regularly, please? At the very least, can you give reads or stances on some of the more impactful aspects of the game so far?

@Lycanfire:

Can you post more regularly, please? At the very least, can you give reads or stances on some of the more impactful aspects of the game so far?

@Kuror0:

Now that you're caught up, what are your thoughts moving forward? At the very least, can you give reads or stances on some of the more impactful aspects of the game so far?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: SirCakez

I'll support this if this is what's happening today.

[Varsoon]

@A&A: Assume some hydra responsibility. You're one slot to me.

Easy now, that's L-1

Good. Cakez should make a defense, lest the hammer silence him forever.

[Varsoon]

@A&A: Rather than scrounging to mount a defense of yourself as well as a very petty mudsling at me, can you engage with the Cakez wagon?
To me, it seems like you're trying to direct the game focus back to me vs you rather than [Wagon] vs Cakez and that's pathetic.

P-EDIT: Aragorn gets it.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, we have 10 day deadlines.
Do keep that in mind.

[Varsoon]

"How long have we been venturing in these ruins? Hours? Days? Weeks? It's hard to tell with irregular sleep and no so much a glimpse of the sun."

[Varsoon]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Varsoon]

I'm staying the course on Cakez.
Don't understand people falling off the wagon--none of what's been said rings especially town for me.
Not interested in the Alisae x Prism stuff; that's reading more TvT to me.

[Varsoon]

No, Andrius is the mod.

[Varsoon]

I know, my jokes are lame.
And Andy is a cool boy.
What makes you think you're confbiasing Prism?

[Varsoon]

One hell of an awkward backpedal, especially considering you still haven't addressed any of my point against you.

You had one of those?
I thought you were just defending yourself with the use of logic.

@Prism: Can you give bulletpoints, then? Be as direct as possible. Heck, use the whole arrow thing:

[Varsoon]

It's okay, Alisae, we can be pals even if A&A doesn't want us to be.

[Varsoon]

See--that's why I didn't care for your back and forth, Prism.

[Varsoon]

I've got work all day today, so I won't be able to post here until late tonight or tomorrow.
I'll have some things to say when I do get back, though.

[Varsoon]

Which is why I've tried to get off of it and focus on Alisae. I'd love to hear you actually weigh in on that, now that I've given you the bulletpoints you sought.

While I agree that Alisae's play has been awkward, with backpedals and logic that doesn't stand up to scrutiny, I also think you're being really critical of things that aren't that huge a deal (like Alisae's bad justification for a scum-read on you). I do side with your points, though, and understand the exegesis of your arguments now, which I could get behind, but I also feel like Alisae, if scum, is low-functioning scum. If pushed, they'd flail, but wouldn't likely give up allies, and then die insignificant. The problem that I have, though, is that if this sort of play is coming from town Alisae, I see them responding to a wagon on them just as poorly, and it ending in a mislynch that doesn't really help us PoE all that well given how poorly Alisae is rooted in their convictions/logic.

@Arwen:

I don't mean to be someone adding stress. I know I've been playing a lot of hard ball with you in this game, but that's because I think it's an effective strategy to curb the sort of crap you pull as scum.

@Vifam:

So, you'll take a lynch on half the players in the game at this point?

Varsoon, do you still stand by that? As in, you would rather lynch elsewhere and sort him out yourself? Or has the scum read deepened?

Yeah, basically still the case. Cakez also really hates being lynched on D1, and I think he's trying to feign his typical 'woe is me; fuck you omgus' that he does when he gets run up for a D1 mislynch as town. It'd be funny to see how he scrambles to carry his weak omgus reads into D2 when they haven't flipped into momentum to spring him to something else. I guess he'll have to conjure up some garbage articulations for why he's scumreading me.

Speaking of;

Cakez, you maggot:

Why are you scumreading me, again?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Varsoon
This is scum whiteknighting me.
I was holding onto this for quite a bit, mostly because I wanted to see how Varsoon would progress, from buddying me in 547. But at this point I really think they are trying to get me in their pocket.

Yeah, because saying, "Oh, I'd probably support a lynch on them but it'd be low info regardless" is totally whiteknighting.
Also, I guess buddying is still buddying even if I obnoxiously lampshade it?
If Cakez and Alisae are town, GG, scum can have the fucking win.

[Varsoon]

I'm giving up now because if we're all three town, we're so fucked.
I don't trust you to have the drive or clarity to lead any scum lynches out of something you luck into.
Cakez has been triggered into OMGUS garbage play zone.
and I'm busy pushing against you two while the three of us become easy mislynches for scum to string 3 up.
3 town lynches, 3 town kills,
puts us at D4 with (likely) 3 scum alive and 4 town. That's a LYLO that town loses.

That's why it's GG in that scenario, Alisae.

[Varsoon]

So, basically, I've either got to:
(If you or Cakez is scum) Double down on my lynching efforts on one of you
or
(If you and Cakez are town) Pull my head out of my ass and look at other players, especially anyone trying to take advantage of what's going on, momentum-wise, between us, and eliminate them. And probably hope town has some protectives out there to give us a lynching buffer so we can still fuck up and be as wrong as we'll inevitably be.

[Varsoon]

Hey I don't do that flamey OMGUS day 1 stuff anymore

*offense*

I was scumreading both you and Wraith before you two scumread me anyway.

From afar, like a weird fat white boy with a crush that he'll never talk to.

[Varsoon]

@Alisae:

I'm not saying the 'GG' like I've lost, I'm saying that if I'm wrong, then I'm kind of up shit creek here.
I don't give a damn for self-meta, notably.
I really don't use meta all that often, either.
Sometimes it helps to suss out something or another, but I really try not to rely on it, because that's how an old fox gets tricked.
I don't understand your whole 'scum trying to whiteknight me' angle, or, maybe, rather, I could see how

you

could come to that conclusion based on your PoV, but I don't think it really makes sense otherwise. Then again, I'm clearly a biased party.

@All:

I just got a more permanent job (one that gives me hours, as opposed to my last one that really didn't) and my dad passed away tonight, so if I have to hit a sudden V/LA or anything, please be understanding.

[Varsoon]

Not liking Cakez vote right now but need to get to a keyboard first

Oh, cool, we can expect some sweet musical stylings, then?


P-EDIT:
It's all good. I just need to be there for my mom--I had a lot of time to be okay with it, but she's got a much different relationship to it all, so if she calls me to come spend time with her, I pretty much have to drop everything else and do that. I'll post a notice in game if it comes to that, but I figure it's only fair to give people a heads up.
And, nah, Andy, playing games and spending time with people helps me relieve stress more than anything else. <3
Thank you for running this spectacular game so far.
That said, I can talk personal stuff in other threads/chat/PMs. Let's focus on the game, yeah?

[Varsoon]

Cakez still a bad wagon that will probably flip town.
Varsoon, give me slots that aren't cakez to look into.

I'm also for the deadline extension due to lack of input from a few slots.

A&A/Keyser has produced a ton of content that you could grapple with.
Alisae has had questionable stances throughout D1.
Pine's engagement has been very floaty and could use scrutiny.
Prism has been building a lot of content in regards to pushing up against events/players in the last few days.

Outside of pressuring Slysly/kuror0 for more content, those four all have a fair deal of contributions that could be looked at.

[Varsoon]

(If you and Cakez are town) Pull my head out of my ass and look at other players, especially anyone trying to take advantage of what's going on, momentum-wise, between us, and eliminate them. And probably hope town has some protectives out there to give us a lynching buffer so we can still fuck up and be as wrong as we'll inevitably be.

Why don't you do this?

Not really enough time left in the current day phase for me to swing any other wagon, especially given my current stances.
Unless something damning really comes up on someone else, my choices for lynch today are between Cakez/Pine/SlySly. Maybe Keyzer, but I'm still grappling with that one internally.

P-EDIT:
Oh, three more days. Okay, then. I know it'll only polarize Pine against me harder, but maybe that'll generate the content we need to actually get a fucking read on the slot that's not just 'lynch that lurking PoS':
VOTE: Pine

[Varsoon]

I'm kind of in the game now. I haven't read most of the first 20 pages or so, but I skimmed enough to have a general gist of what has happened. I'm leaning towards making a case on HS or joining the Varsoon wagon.

I'm interested in what your case on HS could possibly be, though shelving out a vote on me seems pretty lazy at this point and I take some umbrage with that.

[Varsoon]

I know talking associates D1 is fucking dumb, but I could see Pine talking up a vote on HS/Varsoon as a means of polarizing town against town, especially since it currently looks like the day is more likely to end on a wagon that HS/Varsoon supports--if that wagon were to turn up town, Pine would look in the right for pushing the other way, which, at least, against Varsoon, would flip out another town but would be a justified position to take.

It just seems too convenient that Pine decides to 'get into the game' by wedging further into a divide that's not quite into lynch territory yet, rather than offering thoughts independent of that. I expect lurkers/catchup players to offer some substantial outside insight on players/divisions/conflicts, rather than saddle up and push said conflicts further. It's as though Pine's engagement is borne of pushing the game further in the direction it is headed instead of producing unique and individual reads that may lead it somewhere else. I just don't find that to be that town, y'know?

[Varsoon]

My day is entirely open. I am reading up and will probably be participating meaningfully some time this afternoon.

This game has priority.

And, yet, produces nothing. Just empty promises and then skates by, despite there being plenty to talk about at this point RE:Wraith Wagon and Curio.

Fuck it, I'm not bothering to catch up for real at this point. I'm activating my replacement protocols. Pretend I just replaced into the game and am entirely fresh (because that's where I'm at).

What should I know?

Asks this, but does absolutely nothing with it.

alisae

Alisae is Town. I just read his ISO and caught what I believe to be a Towntell.

It's a player-specific Towntell, and I'd rather not specify what it was, because then he'll use it to fake Towntells as scum.

FINALLY takes a hard, non-RVS stance on something, but then completely undermines it by basically saying "They are town because I say so!"
If you have a townread due to a towntell, then build a case for that player being town otherwise. This just reeks of lazy, untrue, and attempting to look engaged despite not giving any specific post or place. Furthermore, this sort of ambiguity just lets Pine retroactively pick something to justify later as said 'town tell' if ever really pushed for it, but even half the fucking post is like, "lol you can't push me for it because player-specific town tell." A town tell is only as good as it is publishable. It's nothing better than an unsupported read otherwise, and here it looks especially awful given Pine's engagement (or lack thereof) so far.

I'm kind of in the game now. I haven't read most of the first 20 pages or so, but I skimmed enough to have a general gist of what has happened. I'm leaning towards making a case on HS or joining the Varsoon wagon.

I've already covered this a bit, but the fact there's no vote here either comes as a bit awkward to me, as if Pine is trying to get a town consensus before settling on an agreed-upon vote. None of this reads like Pine looking at the game and coming to an informed decision, but, rather, Pine trying to figure out what people would be comfortable with him doing.

[Varsoon]

Furthermore, failure to engage with a 20 page game that's had plenty of large wagons and events to discuss?
While being active elsewhere on-site?

I don't accept it.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, do a quick ISO of Pine in another game I'm also in with him. It shouldn't be too hard to find, I'm only in three games right now.

Why?
Is this level of engagement NAI for him?
And even level of engagement aside, the means of engagement is what I'm taking major fault with here.

[Varsoon]

@Cakez: I'd hammer an Alisae if it got to L-1, but I don't find any purpose in pushing a wagon there unless town just needed a lynch, because the wagon itself won't produce any worthwhile info, especially from Alisae.

Varsoon I am absolutely trash in early game. I utterly loathe D1. Occasionally a day one catches my interest, but usually I just let things fall where they may and then swoop in towards the end once people have settled down. This game is getting to that point where it isn't annoying. This is almost universally true with large games, and usually true with fast paced minis. It's a meta trait.

If your defense of your trash play is that you're trash early game, prepare to get lynched or eliminated in every single game we play together until you stop using that excuse and actually attempt to get good. If I simply write someone of as 'Oh, they suck on D1', I'm allowing them to dupe me as scum and letting them weigh me down as town. Call it a policy lynch if you want, but I'm going to ensure you don't make it to D2.

[Varsoon]

Not game-related, but Darkest Dungeon is 50% off, this weekend, on Steam.

I kind of want to get it on PS4. How are the updates handled there? Does Steam get them earlier?

Prism. I understand we gave Varsoon the Curio, but look at their comments on the interactions between me and you.
He wasn't interested in it but he didn't make any attempt to break it up. This indicates that he both thinks we're town at the time.
Then he's somehow finds a way to get himself interested. This is scum looking for an excuse to jump on someone's side.
Like it's seems scummy imo.

So you're either town with incredibly shitty judgment; ergo, a liability we can't keep around for LYLO or
You're garbage scum and your attempt to direct the (then) currently stalling momentum towards a lynch on me is pathetic;
Especially Re:My virtuous claim. Any idiot doubtcasting that needs to think long and hard about why someone would claim how I did.
You're not thinking; you're just trying to turn points against me to remove an outspoken, empowered townie that's fine with you dying.
I'm okay with hammering you because of this alone.


@Keyser: It's okay, I won't put a gun to your head, I can hammer Cakez if it comes to it.

[Varsoon]

Not liking everybody jumping on Alisae tbh. Meta-dive, willya? Especially large normal 200, you'll also see there she's managed to get her shit together end-game.

No, I refuse to just go, "Oh this player just sucks early, they should be given a free pass for their trash play in every game lol cus sometimes they pull it together." No. Fuck that. Trial by fire. I'm not going to lower my critical lens simply because a player sucks. If a player plays poorly, their poor play should not be positively reinforced. You're not doing Alisae any good by refusing to challenge him as a player.

Varsoon, why bother mentioning you're ok hammering Ali when your vote is on what is for all intents and purposes a vanity wagon? Wouldn't your vote be of more use on Ali if you really believe what you just wrote?

No, because I'd prefer a lynch on Cakez or Pine. Please read my posts.
Furthermore, Pine isn't a vanity wagon.

Furthermore, your vote on Pine earlier was justified by 'let's make pine post moar'.
Pine has responded saying he doesn't really wanna make more content, much to our chagrin. So what purpose does your vote still hold there?

Did you miss where my stance became far more critical because Pine's continued posting was awful?
Because the vote is there now due to me scumreading him and wanting him lynched.

You seem ready to hammer a lot of slots, but not willing to commit early. Why is that?

I'll commit to either a Cakez or Pine wagon right now. I don't want to support an Alisae wagon, but if it's a choice between Alisae or no lynch, I'd vote Alisae every time.

It's pretty obvious to me here you're saying you're trying to bait the nightkill. If I'm not right, please explain why you claimed to me as if I were an idiot.
I don't buy a player of your skill level would willingly out this at this stage in this manner. I do think a player of your skill level would pretend that they were doing this as scum.

I'm not going to tilt my whole hand for scum to see.
Also, my skill level? I'm trash.
Instead of rolespeccing and trying to get more out of me with your vote, put it to good use.

Speaking of putting votes to good use,
Since no one is interested in lynching Pine for god knows what reason;
VOTE: Cakez

[Varsoon]

Are you just willing to give up a chance at a Pine lynch now solely because you want to pressure me?
Because the leap from you voting there to voting on me makes Pine a wagon that likely can't happen in this deadline, imo.
Which makes me feel like I need to put my chips on either Alisae or Cakez, and I'd rather a Cakez lynch, tbh.
Cakez' contributions when pressure isn't on him just don't strike me as town.
Sorry.

[Varsoon]

Also, moving the vote to Cakez because it's much more likely to do good there, and also;

V/LA for the weekend.

[Varsoon]

Cakez vote is gross. His attitude this game is really fucking different from when I played with him as scum in camn's revenge, noticeably more assertive and opinionated.

Oh, so scum play the same way in every game? Holy shit that's huge news to me. You should probably go write a mafia thesis on how scum have a consistent attitude and approach to games,

especially

in the case when they are cognizant of their meta and are playing a new, different game with people who they know have that frame of reference for their older games.

Short of calling this one of the most pathetic defenses of play that I've ever read, here are some realistic scenarios that explain why Cakez!scum play here could be different, because maybe you are just actually this misguided:
1. This is a different game with different situations and roles, ergo, players will approach it differently than other games.
2. Cakez may have a power role that behooves him to play in this different way.
3. Cakez may have factional information unique to this game that behooves him to play in this different way.
4. Cakez, knowing his recent scum meta, and knowing people here also know it, is attempting to play contrary to meta.
5. Cakez is a human fucking being and isn't going to put out the same process every single time, even in identical situations. (apologies if you aren't a human being, Cakez. I'm making an assumption here.)
6. Cakez is playing the 'traitor' role, which often sees drastically different play from scum than their usual scum meta.
7. Cakez is attempting a new approach to play altogether, independent of his alignment.

Seeing as I've knowingly changed my play as scum in ALL of these situations, myself, and I've moderated SEVERAL games over the last 3 years that have seen players do the same, it's a safe statement that your defense of Cakez just doesn't hold up. It doesn't have legs, mate. Give it up.

In the end, I'd rather lynch scum over bad players. If that's impossible, I'd rather lynch a player who is actively damaging the gamestate and will do that continuously.

Sometimes, HS, the bad players

are

the scum players.
But I understand where you're coming from--I want scum lynched before weak town and liabilities, too. That's why I don't want to support the growth of an Alisae wagon, but would also be okay hammering it.

[Varsoon]

@Prism: Oh, so you're actually just making shitty points, then. Your defense of Cakez is untenable.

Yeah ok, fine lynching varsoon.

You talk like somebody describing somebody else's actions, thoughts and motivations, not somebody explaining their own.

You're cool with lynching someone due to rhetorical style?
What a chode.

[Varsoon]

I love how buttflustered Prism got when I called 'em out on their shit.

[Varsoon]

I'm humored at you thinking that "oh he's playing different than this one other scum datapoint, must mean he's not scum" is a worthwhile argument to table in support of not lynching him.

[Varsoon]

Everything you post is intended to persuade someone of something,
Even if you're just trying to persuade me that you think differently than I do.

[Varsoon]

I named my Highwayman Andrius back when I first played, too!!

[Varsoon]

This is a stupid nuance brought on by a stupid post and I hate that I'm even having to explain this. I really should have just let your garbage sit, but this has to be a cooperative game.

I appreciate you doing that, though.
Sometimes I can get really bull-headed and stubborn about things.
I had stepped back from Cakez and re-evaluated as of that point, which is why I put that vote there.

[Varsoon]

Oh, ay, it's Desperado.
Nice to see ya again, pal.

[Varsoon]

Here's the short of it:
I got the Curio, now I'm immune to negative effects from stuff. (Virtuous)
Cakez is the wagon you want to join because he's scum or something and he claimed VT.

[Varsoon]

@Desperado: I agree with you--I want a Pine lynch and I think kuror0 could be taking a backseat in places, too. I align with your reads a lot, too. I don't know what it is, but your discernment mirrors mine in many places. I feel like we're seeing the same things and coming to similar conclusions.

We can sort Pine out tomorrow, though. I want Cakez today--I don't feel like it is a mistake. I could maybe swing Kuror0, but you need to do more work establishing why kuror0 is scum over anyone else and why the lynch should be there today. I've been null and soft-town reading that slot over the other lurkers for sure.

Could you go more into why you're voting there/what you're seeing with Kuror0? Champion your wagon.

[Varsoon]

I'm an Arbalist, just a VT (Human Adventurer and starting with Normal condition). Sorry to the scum on my wagon who were probably hoping I was a PR.

Thought this was really town.

I feel contrary to that, though.
It comes off as a safe claim.
Especially since I expect this game to be closer to a Role Madness game.
Furthermore, Arablest fills a very specific role in the video game that I can't imagine Andrius would just render as a VT. Especially given that the Marksman was established the sample PM.

It also feels like something that scum!Cakez would claim--both in order to diffuse his wagon (because claiming a role could turn out poorly due to this being a closed setup; a counter-claim or rolespec could easily have him destroyed) and the way he immediately used it to turn around at his wagon with the whole "Sorry to scum on my wagon!" because the wagon wasn't concerned with getting a claim from there at all. The only hesitation I would have would be if he was a town PR trying to hide that truth, but in that case, claiming such a role would be safe to claim and likely help him survive rather than not.

So, yeah.
I scumread Cakez' claim.

[Varsoon]

I see where you're coming from re:612 excusing poor play on slots that are coasting--either to defend them as scum buddies or to allow mislynches to get later into the game.

@Desperado: Arablest VT is a fakeclaim that I would imagine could be produced for someone who has a very scummy role.

[Varsoon]

How would you give a fakeclaim to something like
Strongman

[Varsoon]

Things come to mind, obviously.
Also, he could just be a goon.

[Varsoon]

I don't think we have time for a Kuror0 wagon, tbh.
Trust me on Cakez. If it turns out poorly, I'll defer to you. But I have faith in it.

[Varsoon]

So no, I don't think Cakez claims VT as scum with that attitude.

I still stand that the claim is scum-oriented in how it was delivered and in terms of game flow.
I don't wanna mod-spec, especially because I think Andrius is a good enough mod that my any spec I have can be WIFOM'd.

[Varsoon]

It was the perfect claim to stall out his wagon (no risk of counterclaim or fear of role, etc) while being delivered in a way to set Cakez up to OMGUS his wagon, despite the wagon hardly being one to push him to claim--iirc, claiming only came up once he hit L-1. Spec on Cakez' role hadn't come up at all before that point, either.

[Varsoon]

I'm confused. The purpose of every wagon is to produced a claim that can be analyzed and then a decision made.

Hardly. I was pushing Cakez for several reasons based on play and producing pressure and focusing game flow. Since his claim, it feels like Cakez hasn't produced anything of impact, either. I'm still voting for Cakez because I want a lynch there.

I know what you're getting at--that claiming at L-1 is the primary result from wagons being formed and pushed to that point. However, look at

why

players were voting Cakez. Rolefishing isn't evident there. At all. It makes it awkward for Cakez to bring it up.

Could you leave my wagon for the next day phase? I really don't have much time now that is weekend and the deadline is coming soon. Will try to post tomorrow cause this is all the time I got atm.

Put your vote someplace useful, then. Compromise. If you can acknowledge that you wagon shouldn't happen in 2 days, you should also realize keeping your vote on a Keyzer wagon that won't happen makes it harder for us to get a lynch anywhere else.

[Varsoon]

Then why would Cakez go "You're rolefishing?"
If Cakez is a town VT, why not claim something strong to see what scum push him over that sort of role?
He voices suspicion here that scum is trying to fish a claim from him with the wagon; not that scum was trying to eliminate a strong town role with his wagon.
Compare that to the wagon on me--it's clear that scum, if on it, want to eliminate a (practically publicly) empowered townie. There's been rolespec done with me. There's been rolefishing done at me. The votes and interaction in regards to Cakez reads as people genuinely scumreading his play and putting votes/sheeping the logic that got votes on him in the first place.

[Varsoon]

Like, why would, Cakez, as VT, go "Haha you didn't succeed in your fishing!" rather than claiming VT and going "Haha, your lynch on me won't even neuter town power!"

[Varsoon]

It's just not something I see as a townie response and it comes of as incongruous to the reality of his wagon.

[Varsoon]

If a replace is needed, it can be handled over night or the next day, too.

[Varsoon]

I sometimes have to remind myself of that.
Even then.
I just don't see it as town, Desperado.

[Varsoon]

Hey, zefiend. I'm not going to ask you to defend Pine's miserable play, but I do hope you have more to contribute than what your slot has put out so far.

First and foremost, you should evaluate the game and decide where you stand on the Cakez wagon.

[Varsoon]

It's something like 24 hours.
Just vote.

[Varsoon]

There's no way a no lynch is a thing that will happen

Some thoughts on the other things that have been discussed would be nice tho @Wraith, @Human Sequencer. I haven't seen either of you discuss Cakez' claim and what it means w/r/t his alignment

We need 2 more votes to lynch.
If Cakez is scum, getting those two votes is going to be harder than not, because his buddies can just not post for a day and let the no lynch slide.

[Varsoon]

Ah, well, fuck it.
I'm Hellion, Town Vigilante.
My Virtuous status did not change over night--I am still virtuous.
I tried killing the Pine Slot last night. Obviously, that slot is still alive. Unless anyone has a reason for that, I suggest we lynch Pine/zefiend because it reeks of scum BP (or other shenanigans) to me.

I wanted the first curio because I figured, if bad, I can just not have a kill, and if good, I can have a souped up kill or some other nice protection or some shit.

I really don't know how to play Vig other than shoot at my scumspecs/people that town want dead.

Anyway, people wagoning me are garbage and scum and should die.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon I am absolutely trash in early game. I utterly loathe D1. Occasionally a day one catches my interest, but usually I just let things fall where they may and then swoop in towards the end once people have settled down. This game is getting to that point where it isn't annoying. This is almost universally true with large games, and usually true with fast paced minis. It's a meta trait.

If your defense of your trash play is that you're trash early game, prepare to get lynched

or eliminated in every single game we play together

until you stop using that excuse and actually attempt to get good. If I simply write someone of as 'Oh, they suck on D1', I'm allowing them to dupe me as scum and letting them weigh me down as town. Call it a policy lynch if you want, but

I'm going to ensure you don't make it to D2.

Bolded in case no one got the crumbs.
I was also being this way with Cakez, telling him I wouldn't let him get to D2 and asking if he really wanted to play this game (before I remove him)

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Zef
Your wish is my command.

I'd say hold off until Zefiend or someone else has more to weigh in about the kill not resolving as it should.

[Varsoon]

I also am unsure about Human Sequencer for the Curio, if only because I worry what a negative curio result on an afflicted player will turn up. The eagerness that others have shown to backing what could potentially be really shitty strikes me as awkward.

But whatever, no one gives a damn about what I have to say.

Curio: Human Sequencer

[Varsoon]

Varsoon talk to me about Lycan, Vifam, and Kuror

Would lynch Kuror0, I agree with most of Desperado's points and, at this moment, trust his judgment more than my own.

Lycanfire still needs to produce more content.

Looking back at it, I feel like Vifam is scum keeping options open who pocketed me. Sheeped the Cakez wagon too easily imo.

P-EDIT: Because there could be info here that helps us. If there actually is a doc out there who protected Pine (why), I don't expect them to claim.
Though, shit, you might be right and this is far too much wine for me to think about should scum try to gambit around it. :/
I just want to see what other people think and if there isn't some obvious explanation for things.

[Varsoon]

I was wrong about Cakez.
I feel like I may be equally wrong about Pine/Zefiend.
I don't trust myself to make a smart decision either way.

[Varsoon]

Well, I figured that either one of two things would happen:
1. My role gets super nerfed, we find out what Curios can do, and then I can just play as a VT who might vig down the line or something.
2. My role gets buffed, then I can be town's big badass vig who can't be stopped 'cus, I dunno, cool buffs. I claim on D2 and hope scum trembles in their boots 'cus town has souped up killing power.

I honestly thought that the first curio might be as bad/effective as vanilla-ize/strongman.

[Varsoon]

Unlimited shot.

[Varsoon]

I agree with kurur0 that there's a very high possibility that Varsoon is actually an SK and I am loathe to let him shoot of his own volition.

Hahaha
You're next.

[Varsoon]

Yeah if you keep pushing that I think you'd be surprised how fast people will be willing to lynch you despite your claim.

I love how I come out with a confirmable claim and you immediately throw shade.
Stay basic.

[Varsoon]

Wraith, I claimed because I want town to be able to direct the shot.
As much as I think your position re:my claim is awful, I'm not going to kill you over it.

[Varsoon]

Curio: Human Sequencer

[Varsoon]

You, Alisae, and HS hardly make up players that I feel concrete pressure from, however.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Zefiend

[Varsoon]

Why don't I just kill Kuroro, Desp?

VOTE: Kuroro

[Varsoon]

Why don't we just kill zef?

I tried that last night and it didn't work.
Since no town has come out with an explanation for Zefiend surviving, chances are he's just something like scum BP.
So
We really should lynch there.
:/
VOTE: Zefiend

[Varsoon]

Then we should still lynch Zefiend.

[Varsoon]

I killed Alisae, after much debate. I initially was all:

One of Kuror0, Vifam, Slysly, and Wraith!
Then again the holdup before lynch with HS' "Claim flavor first!" was weird.

But then I second guessed after looking at Alisae's D2 play!! While I wanted to kill Kuror0 or SlySly because most of town is pushing for a lynch there, I felt like Alisae and HS look the worst after d2.
I killed Alisae over the early bus-looking vote on Zefiend, coupled with shit like "Lol why don't we just kill Zefiend" and the early vote on me all just don't add up.

HS also had an early vote on me and tried to stop the Zefiend train from going overboard, too. Couple that with the Curio grab and it's kinda curious.

[Varsoon]

Curio : Desperado

My kills are flavored as 'cut down', it seems.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: kuror0

[Varsoon]

Didn't like Vifam's D2 play, considered shooting them. Didn't. They're egh.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Human Sequencer
I'm also good with this.

[Varsoon]

Rule of 3 is bad stuff, vifam.
But I was considering an HS kill and HS was real bad on D2, too.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: kuroro

Feels stagnant.
Sorry for my relative absence, too.

[Varsoon]

Why isn't kuror0 lynch happening, again?

[Varsoon]

Who gives a shit?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: HumanSeq

Yeah, okay.
So, I shouldn't kill Kuror0?

[Varsoon]

<3
You may even see
a few scummy surprises from me.

[Varsoon]

As I said before, Clumsy, they were a high consideration for my night shot on N2.

[Varsoon]

Yeah nah I'm saying we either do HS or Lycanfire.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: HS

that'll do.

[Varsoon]

HS, you're still at L-1.
I don't know that anyone fell for it, but bravo to desperado for going along with the gambit.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: SlySly

We could swing this though.

[Varsoon]

Compromise wagon, but yeah.

[Varsoon]

It's either HS or Sly.
That's all that's viable right now, imo.

[Varsoon]

Not loving the HS VT claim, to be honest.
But eeeeeeeeh

[Varsoon]

Honestly can we just lynch HS

We can take care of Sly later just slide me this one lynch

You in a team with Sly that I should know about?

[Varsoon]

I can SEE a Pine/HS team more than anything rn

Show me.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Human Sequencer

This is today's lynch, then.

[Varsoon]

By my count, you were only at 4 votes, my guy.

[Varsoon]

Wooo!
I got him!
Fuck yeah!

[Varsoon]

Seriously, you guys need to actually play and not just let me win the game for us.

[Varsoon]

WHERE'S MY CURIO, ASSHOLE?

[Varsoon]

Also, we're at 5 alive, 3 to lynch, notably.

[Varsoon]

I actually don't think homeboy put a curio in the first post as of this moment.
D:

[Varsoon]

Why are you cleared, Vifam?

[Varsoon]

Oh, there shouldn't be a comma there. I'm looking for some sort of butt-hole curio.

[Varsoon]

Hey desperado if Slysly doesn't flip scum, is it cool if I kill you?

Like,
are you so sure in your reads that we can bet the game on it or somethin?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Slysly

[Varsoon]

It gives me a shitload of pause that slysly is pushing the SK angle because I don't know what that buys him as scum.
Regardless, we should lynch today anyway, given the numbers.

[Varsoon]

UNVOTE:

[Varsoon]

Goddamn, Vifam, that's like the cardinal sin.

VOTE: Vifam

Like seriously what the fuck

[Varsoon]

UNVOTE:

I'm cool with Clumsy's massclaim idea.
Massclaim is probably a good idea at this point.
For real though
I don't think it's fair for me to end the game with a kill tonight.
I think it's more fair to play another day for another lynch, even though I really don't want to play another day.
I shot correct fucking two times.
Please
Just let us have this goddamn win.

[Varsoon]

Like if we mislynch
And I shoot the right person
What the fuck has town even done this game?

[Varsoon]

PRE IN ME, ANDY
I love you
I love your games
I will always do it, please.


Also
I'm really happy with the clumsy claim and the desperado turnout here.

Vote: Slysly

I'm good with this.

[Varsoon]

Just trying to figure out if there's an optimal play where you follow someone, but with your claim, you're the obvious kill tonight.

[Varsoon]

But if slysly is scum then we win anyway

[Varsoon]

FUCK YEAH I DIDNT HAVE TO NO KILL AND GO INTO LYLO

WOOOOO

[Varsoon]

I kept expecting roles to be VARSOON CRAZY and then I was like "OH MAN AFFLICTION WHATS THIS"
Then I realized you are a far saner mod/designer than me.

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

I also had some images in case shit hit the fan or I died:




But instead, I get to post this, because FUCK YOU RUINS MAFIA DIE HAHAHA:




But seriously the distinction of 'ruins mafia' made me really bothered we had multiple factions
Pls no multiball, Andy
Multiball is the worst thing ever.
I love that I got this role and I loved this game and it was fun.
I wanna know about curios!!

I was really, really thinking Desperado was scum that pocketed me and was playing cool as cucumbers. Great play, Desperado. You really gave me a lot of faith as town and helped out a ton, imo.

<3 Clumsy, both for that early towniness and the massclaim idea with your role. In fact, I was even doubting you thinking that might be a last-scum-claiming-power-play, which is part of why I was gonna no-kill overnight so that if Clumsy survived, I could worry about it then.

P-EDIT:
I dunno, when the game started I just went to a bunch of threads for Darkest Dungeon on the webs and grabbed images.