Mini 1878: Darkest Dungeon Mafia - VICTORY

[Clumsy]

VOTE: Wraith A ghoulish apparition among these dusty halls and tombs!

[Clumsy]

Do we want to figure out the urn first before any serious voting?

[Clumsy]

pls no

[Clumsy]

It's only out of love!

[Clumsy]

Curio: Varsoon

[Clumsy]

Uh, I would actually suggest things stay quiet for right now, the walls have ears.

Something tells me we shouldn't nominate Clumsy to handle the fragile urn.

actually he posted this before clumsy saying anything about getting the urn.

then said they don't want the urn

#Arwen

It's a joke FA. My name is Clumsy. It's an urn (that could be broken if dropped, if say, by a Clumsy person).

[Clumsy]

firstly you didn't hug me alisae >.>

secondly I'm confused. is the urn always a negative thing in real flavor?

#Arwen

All curios can be positive or negative. If one comes up that is almost always negative (percentage wise), I will be sure to let everyone know. Not sure if one of those would appear in this game though.

Uh, I would actually suggest things stay quiet for right now, the walls have ears.

Me and FA are in the game.
I don't think that's possible.

Not exactly what I meant, but we'll go with that.


Let's get this curio figured out. Vote for Varsoon.

[Clumsy]

I'm not the Crusader, but I don't think that the Crusader would have any reason for wanting the Urn over any other item. If we're following logic from the actual game of Darkest Dungeon, wouldn't we want Grave Robber to search everything? What would make Crusader a more likely pick for the urn than, say, Vestal?

I also agree--I think Investigations are likely to affect our stress mechanic.

Crap, I thought you were softing Crusader with holy water. ._. I'm still fine with you checking it though.

As far as characters go, the only one with an innate benefit to checking curios is the Antiquinist. They get extra loot out of things. If we have an Antiquinist, they should be checking everything.

A Grave Robber has no extra effects on searching things, and the only boon I can think of is that they have a bigger disarm chance on traps (but traps are not curios).

As far as the Wraith wagon goes now:
Clumsy's vote and sticking with the wagon feels meandering.
Prism's vote there falls more into my criticism of you--their minimal content so far and resistance to the curio voting bothers me.
Alisae's 'pressure' vote falls short for me--what is Alisae looking to pressure out of Wraith, even? I don't get it. Seems more in line with 'meh, I'll sheep this' going-with-the-flow that happened when Alisae curio voted me.
SirCakez admitted he thinks I'm trying to make fake appeals for towniness while jumping on the later end of a fast growing wagon, but with little reason why that wagon was appealing. Feels like he wants me to get the Curio because I might not be town but then he goes and votes someone else, running contrary to letting us have an informed day with the investigation early and lynch later.

I went to bed after my last post, and my vote was still from RVS. How is it 'meandering'?
Have to reread more when I wake up fully, I'll give more thoughts in a little bit.

Also, for the love of god, do not interact with the Shambler Altar

Please. Don't.

UNVOTE:

[Clumsy]

I getcha, just hard to be passionate when I'm, well, asleep. Ugh, my eyes aren't waking up. I'm going to go get some food or something before I dig back in. Also not really liking HS so far. Liking Varsoon for town. Page 7 reads though.

P-edit: Love the pic lmao.

[Clumsy]

Welp. Did anything bad happen or was it just 2spooky?

[Clumsy]

...Okay then.

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I just.. wasn't expecting that from the flavor. Alrighty then.

@HS: The way you've been interacting with things, putting a relatively hard opinion on things and then switching them pretty quickly (moreso the crusader thing than the Wraith thing to be honest) is setting off the 'blending in with active town' alarms. This is only page 8 though.

[Clumsy]

This makes me think the scum team can afflict people, maybe?
Stay away from me with your fuckin' wine, you skellymans.

There's definitely more than scum that can cause afflictions, unfortunately. It's good that you have Virtuous though. I feel like the majority/all of the game will have one or the other by day 3.

[Clumsy]

I don't think there's any contradiction there. I don't like you for town so far. But it's only page 8 and it's an early read that can change.

Do you always respond with scumreading those who show suspicion on you?

[Clumsy]

It's not that your actions are correlating with anyone, but more of "Hey guys I'm active and helping town make decisions" while changing your mind to go with the flow of what town is doing. Like backing down on the crusader thing so quickly after wanting them to do the curio and instead hammering Varsoon into it. I don't have a problem with the hammer, but the switch from one stance to another seems oversold by the hammer to show that you're with town. You get me?

[Clumsy]

That depends. If curios only do Afflictions/Virtues/Nothing, we would avoid the Afflictions but miss Virtues. It would effectively remove curios from the game. If it could offer things like 1-shot abilities in addition ( which I suspect could be the case), could be putting too many eggs in one basket. I guess it really depends on the game state at the time.

This all assumes you're town of course.

[Clumsy]

I've skimmed through the last few pages. Lycanfire had a decent first (actual) post, looking forward to more posts there. AA vs. HS looks too genuine to be scum theater to me, so I think it's SvT, TvS, or TvT.

Still liking Varsoon for town.

Alisae is a town lean.

Not too sure about Cakez so far. Very very slight scum lean.

Lycan's opening post feels reminiscent from the last game where he flipped town that I was in so I'm just gonna say he's town too atm

Meh. How does this opening compare to any of their scumgames that you know of?

Town lean of Vifam.

Looking forward to Prism after they sleep and get to an actual keyboard.

Early townpings from Kuror0.

Need more interaction from a few slots.

VOTE: Pine

[Clumsy]

I like the Cakez wagon, but I'm worried about the silence elsewhere too.

[Clumsy]

Pine, SlySly, Kuror0, and Lycan. Lycan made a big post not long ago, but that is their only real post so far.

[Clumsy]

I voted Pine to try to get him in here a bit more. Doesn't look like that'll happen without the prod though I think.

VOTE: Sir Cakez

P- edit: Are you saying you'd rather run up an inactive than someone you scum read? Are you just trying to get them in the game?

P-edit city in here.

P- edit LET ME POST

[Clumsy]

I don't think the former is a negative, and I don't think the latter's labeling of the Wraith wagon is true.

P-Edit: Thought about it but Clumsy voted with me so I'm keeping this.

Yeah I did, but it doesn't seem like voting there will do any good until a prod goes out. :/

[Clumsy]

Easy now, that's L-1

[Clumsy]

*Twilight Zone Theme*

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"How long have we been venturing in these ruins? Hours? Days? Weeks? It's hard to tell with irregular sleep and no so much a glimpse of the sun."

[Clumsy]

Got any last minute insights Cakez?

[Clumsy]

Before mod locks thread. Were you actually town? If so, last second reads?

[Clumsy]

Meh it was worth a shot. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Clumsy]

the point was that i didn't like the cakez wagon because prism/clumsy interactions varsoon reads and that the sudden surge in the wagon may have been as a result of pressure on aa or varsoon.

I looked back into this because it's a fair point. I hopped on Cakez after it gained a bit of momentum (was trying to get Pine into the game, but that didn't really do anything), followed by Prism shortly after, and then Varsoon. Prism cited staying on Pine because I followed there, but after I left joined the Cakez wagon. Varsoon commented "I'll support this if this is what's happening today."

Earlier, Varsoon said this in a reads list.

SirCakez -- Probably scum, mediocre pushes, I'll sort him out regardless, no need for me to vote here D1.

Varsoon, do you still stand by that? As in, you would rather lynch elsewhere and sort him out yourself? Or has the scum read deepened?


I've lightly read over everything so far, but if there's anything anyone wants to draw my attention to/ask me, go for it. I'm just a bit busy here recently.

[Clumsy]

@All:

I just got a more permanent job (one that gives me hours, as opposed to my last one that really didn't) and my dad passed away tonight, so if I have to hit a sudden V/LA or anything, please be understanding.

I'll be back to do game stuff soon, but real fast, congrats on the job, and I'm sorry about your dad. I hope your mom is doing okay. Family first, we understand. :)

I have to get things ready for D&D tonight, but I'm sure I'll be able to pop in here today. SlySly isn't really on my board for lynch right now because of no content, but you make a good point on Pine Varsoon. Still not sure I would vote there right now, I'd much rather them just catch up. I know how apathy runs in games, some more than others. However, if it continues on, we have a problem.

[Clumsy]

Meh. Didn't like her early game, but mid day 1 I put her as a town lean, I'm back to meh. Null to me. I don't know Vifam at all.

[Clumsy]

No idea who Mathblade is.

If you're referencing a technique named after them instead of the literal person, going to have to explain that one to me.

In the event you're thinking I'm the person I find it really strange to vote me on the basis of a perceived additional piece of info given to you. Presumably I'd be getting something out of it-a town meta read. As scum there would be 0 incentive to wink at you for such a thing.

I know Mathblade, but I have no idea what the comment means.

Question: Who is currently townreading Cakez?

[Clumsy]

Sly, is your list in order? Like towniest at the top, scummiest at the bottom?

[Clumsy]

Sly, what makes me your top townread?

[Clumsy]

@Desperado: I dunno about the Pine thing, he's been mostly missing all over the site it seems.

[Clumsy]

Welcome Zefiend. Gonna be honest, not going to copy and past that z character everytime, hope you don't mind. Let us know when you get caught up!

@Desperado: I dunno about the Pine thing, he's been mostly missing all over the site it seems.

And if he'd presented it this way I wouldn't be talking about it, but he's on record as deliberately playing the way he has.

Yeah, I remember the post you're talking about. Seems very odd, but I don't know what to make of it.

[Clumsy]

Curio: HS

I'll get into actual gameplay later.

[Clumsy]

I agree with kurur0 that there's a very high possibility that Varsoon is actually an SK and I am loathe to let him shoot of his own volition.

Why does VarsoonSK claim a kill that didn't go through?

He was under a lot of pressure right off the bat from myself, Alisae, and HS

Yeah, I don't know if I would claim it that early myself if I was an SK here. I'd rather keep it quiet until late game, when the investigatives are dead/have limited time to check me. Claiming early D2 with no kill doesn't make sense from an SK, the only big benefit is that you might gain trust from town, which has more time to degrade.

[Clumsy]

VOTE: Zefiend

I see no reason to not lynch that spot. Although it would put the town doc in a tight place, I mean, would they claim that? That would just make them the NK target, right?

[Clumsy]

You could have been roleblocked or something with a town tracker I feel like it'd make sense for scum to have a roleblocker

Possibly, but would we want that to claim?

[Clumsy]

there's no way someone docced that slot last night lol

Yeah, very true. No reason to.

[Clumsy]

Curio: Desperado

2 a.m. Be on tomorrow. Do we think SK or vig?

[Clumsy]

Forgot Varsoon was vig.

Need sleep.

Yeah.

Bye.

[Clumsy]

Town:
Varsoon
Human Sequencer
Desperado

Unsure:
SlySly
Lycanfire

PoE:
Vifam
kuror0


This is where I stand right now, in order within the lists as well btw. I have never played with Lycanfire before, has anyone else? I don't really know what to make of them, can anyone shed any light?

VOTE: Kuror0 L-2

[Clumsy]

Curio first please though

[Clumsy]

You mean there's no scum reason behind hammering a buddy who had been caught, cutting the day to a short 24 hours, which in the meantime means Zefiend didn't have to talk and give us anymore information to work with, not asking for a roleclaim because you knew it wouldn't matter, while being able to claim that you wouldn't do that as scum?


Sure, no reason as scum to do that. :)

[Clumsy]

Definetely not conclusive, but I'm townreading them for a few different reasons. Might type it up later though.

@Everyone else, what're your reads on Vifam?

[Clumsy]

I think both wagons that exist right now are good. Desperado, Varsoon, what are your thoughts on Vifam?

[Clumsy]

I've been warned huh? Why haven't I seen a Clumsy in your adventurers? DID YOU KILL ME ANDRIUS?

Nah but I'll be home tonight. Those voting HS, is that your number 1 pick for the day?

[Clumsy]

That hurts. :(

Nah, if not, I'll just be the Narrator.

I started a new squad last night. Named them after people in this game. First slot is HumanSequencer, second slot is Desperado. I have to make room on my roster, but I think I'll add in Vifam. They haven't done anything yet though.

I lost a bunch of trinkets on my last run into the Darkest Dungeon. Good stuff too. Been doing Antiquarian runs to try to track down some duplicates to replace them. I lost an ancestor's trinket too. :(

[Clumsy]

Not yet no. :(

[Clumsy]

UNVOTE: For now.

[Clumsy]

He claimed "Man at Arms" which HS interpreted as a doctor soft claim and he knows a lot more about the theme than I do

Can confirm MAA would be a protective role, but I disagree with doctor. Too much speculation there is probably bad though. This does not confirm him as actually being that though, scum probably have fake claims.

[Clumsy]

For now I guess. Scum will have to kill him at some point.

[Clumsy]

A lot of things. I have a bit of a townread on HS, but it's far from definite. They are afflicted however, so that could potentially be bad if they are town, depending on what afflicted does. May not be the worst vote for the day. Don't really know where to put Lycanfire. Andrius' image is broken, so we don't know the person we may or may not know. HS is at L-2. Based on setup, I don't think we would have an SK, so I'm very confident with Varsoon as conf town vig. Only option would be if he was scum, the real vig hasn't shot him or CC'd, so I think that's just fine there. Where are you with your reads Vifam?

[Clumsy]

Andrius' image is broken

What.
Which.

VC at the top. 1175.


Does anyone townread Lycan?

[Clumsy]

And your mod of this game is the DARING HERO of the story! It'll be great!

Meanwhile, we have some NOT SO HEROIC members among us! I won't be heartbroken if HS hangs today and will compromise there if necessary, but I can't help but feel uneasy about the silence towards everything, from pretty much everyone.

Varsoon, you're probably the closest we have to confirmed town. Are you on HS as compromise or are you hard scumreading that slot?

[Clumsy]

Ah that's right, apologies. I'd be willing to follow you there if we need to. I'm really interested in Lycan and Vifam though. We should have 2 scum left, 8 players. We have 1 mislynch before MyLo/LyLo, depending on if you shoot or not. I worry about the SlySly slot, because we don't have much interaction to figure that slot out, and Kuror0 is unresolved.

[Clumsy]

Hrm... Here's my thing right now.

Assume HS is town. They're on the fast(slow) track to today's lynch. Mafia would want to be quiet here, right? To not derail the lynch accidentally?

SlySly and Lycanfire are the ones being really quiet. I want pressure on those slots. If we don't get interaction that we want, I'm fine with lynching there/shooting there.

That's assuming HS is town though. Again, willing to go back there if need be.

[Clumsy]

Either SlySly will be replaced or he'll get in here and we'll have that soon.

Kuror0 don't target me tonight.

We'll have time to talk to the replacement, but this is really dragging. HS, get in here and talk to us, because you're the lynch right now.

[Clumsy]

What's the reason for SlySly? Anything more than inactivity?

[Clumsy]

Is there anyone else you'd rather? We're short on time though.

Mod, what's our time looking like?

[Clumsy]

That's a good point Kuror0. Where did Lycan go btw?

[Clumsy]

Basically I'm worried because of how quiet the game has been. Like scum is laying low to let this mislynch happen. The only reason HS wasn't hung was because of lurkers + I didn't vote there. It seems like there's 0 resistence to HS lynch.

[Clumsy]

Man, I haven't seen Desperado around at all. Anyone know what happened to him?

;) Jk <3

Can you point out what posts you're talking about? Talk to us instead of passively making remarks. Apologies if I missed it, but I must have.

[Clumsy]

If you want SlySly lynched, can you put your case together in one post for us?

[Clumsy]

Screw it. Things aren't going anywhere. We need a flip I think. I think Kuror0 has a good point about HS, but I like the wagon composition on SlySly more I think.

VOTE: SlySly

[Clumsy]

UNVOTE:

So both slots claim VT.

[Clumsy]

VOTE: HS

[Clumsy]

I'd be fine with Varsoon getting the curio, but I'd actually really like to have it too. It -might- really help us out.

[Clumsy]

I haven't really townread Vifam since early game. I would like a lynch there or maybe Desperado. Not sure how I feel about SlySly though. I'm going to have to read back through the game and re-analyze, probably tomorrow (or later on tonight depending)

[Clumsy]

Well shiet. :(

[Clumsy]

Hey desperado if Slysly doesn't flip scum, is it cool if I kill you?

Like,
are you so sure in your reads that we can bet the game on it or somethin?

Just double checking: you do realize the numbers involved here right? Varsoon, you've had great judgment so far, so I'm not going to try and dissuade you, but if this is the plan, can I arrange a massclaim first?

[Clumsy]

Wait what

[Clumsy]

I can only think of one thing that MIGHT make that work, flavorwise anyway.

What makes you think that it's an SK + 2 maf instead of 3 Maf + Town Vig?

[Clumsy]

Town:

Clumsy

Leaning town:

Desperado - obv tunnel on me, but at this point there's only so many left, i can understand the reasoning
Vifam - seems to be using brain and thinking through things like town, not just jumping to easy lynch

Free Pass:

Varsoon - has targeted with excellence

No way is Clumsy scum.

If I'm right, this game is only running because of a living SK. 2 mafia + every night SK would make sense to me.

VOTE: No Lynch

We avoid a mislynch, keeping town number higher. Varsoon should target me tonight. When I flip town, lynch Varsoon SK, town win.

If you're so sure that Varsoon is SK, shouldn't you be pushing for his lynch today?

[Clumsy]

1 scum, 1 sk, 3 town, we no lynch

he kills you (assumed town in this), scum kill someone else

1 scum, 1 sk, 1 town

We lose.

You see this right?

[Clumsy]

Wait, I'm dumb

[Clumsy]

Okay I see what you're getting at now.

1 sk/mafia, 4 town

no lynch

1 sk/mafia, 3 town

lynch (if missed)

1 sk/mafia, 2 town

night kill

1 sk/mafia, 1 town, we lose.


The problem here now is that if we don't lynch, in your perspective, we're giving up a lynch to get a kill on guaranteed town (you), to then just lynch there the next day.

[Clumsy]

In the first example I got to the 1v1. If you're town, AND Varsoon is town, bam.

[Clumsy]

I'll be on here either tonight after my double shift or tomorrow ( I'm off). Don't prod me senpai!

Actually, just had this thought. It's either Varsoon is vig or SK, right? Don't lynch him today. If he's vig, he takes a shot, plus the lynch today, town gets 2 chances to hit scum. If he's SK, there will only be 1 kill, 2 town plus SK, we just hang him and win. Right?

[Clumsy]

I think I would like SlySly or Vifam, pending more reading.

Vifam, what do you think of the above plan? Giving town 2 shots at it, autolynching Varsoon tomorrow if there is only 1 kill?

[Clumsy]

Also, if we're going with this idea (and I think we should), I want to put together a mass claim before the lynch. I can come up with an order after work.

[Clumsy]

Vifam and Desperado need to claim their roles here. Their roles might be really important for Varsoon to figure out his shot.

[Clumsy]

Flavor Desp?

[Clumsy]

Vifam?

[Clumsy]

Who all is afflicted?

[Clumsy]

Desp, are you virtuous?

[Clumsy]

Interesting. Very interesting.

I'm the Grave Robber. I have an ability called Night Moves. It allows me to track a target, but the target becomes afflicted afterwards.

N1: Human Sequencer - No Target
N2: Desperado - No Target
N3: Vifam - No Target

I was hoping one of you two would claim a PR and I could CC. However, both Vifam and HS claimed that they were Afflicted (which should happen), but Desperado is not Afflicted. This leaves us with a few options.

1. I was roleblocked. Could be. I would think that I would have been blocked N1 because of my crumbs, or all nights, not just one in the middle though.
2. Kuror0 protected Desperado. Can't be this though, as I would have seen "my target" (Kuror0 in this case, because of his ability) target Desperado.
3. He's Virtuous, but he says that he is not, so rule this one out.
4. There is a power influencing Desperado's affliction state. As Desperado is a claimed VT, it can't be his power, unless he's lying, in which case he's scum.

Unless anyone can think of something else that would affect this, it's either I was roleblocked or Desperado is scum I think. Thoughts?

[Clumsy]

Yup, you're right. Sigh. Forgot about that.

Well that did little to nothing then.

[Clumsy]

It does not unfortunately. It just means that my targets didn't lead the kill. For example, Lycanfire could have lead all the kills. Last scum could have just a passive ability (like the Necromancer).

[Clumsy]

Second run in the 3rd Darkest Dungeon. Wish me luck!

[Clumsy]

Why is that?

[Clumsy]

Darkest Dungeon 3 completed! Rest in Peace Tourmente, you did well protecting your party from the beasts.

[Clumsy]

Please do! /Pre-in me for every one of them!

[Clumsy]

Varsoon, do you have everything you need for the night? I'm willing to follow onto Sly for the hammer.

[Clumsy]

Well there's the hammer I think.

[Clumsy]

Yeah if scum know what they're doing and don't want a conf town tomorrow, they'll kill me anyway. :/

[Clumsy]

Vifam, why are you saying to shoot you?

[Clumsy]

WOO WOO! GG guys, was very fun!

[Clumsy]

Hrm... Here's my thing right now.

Assume HS is town. They're on the fast(slow) track to today's lynch. Mafia would want to be quiet here, right? To not derail the lynch accidentally?

SlySly and Lycanfire are the ones being really quiet. I want pressure on those slots. If we don't get interaction that we want, I'm fine with lynching there/shooting there.

That's assuming HS is town though. Again, willing to go back there if need be.

I had it all the way back here. Ugh. I need to learn to stick with my reads, I let new developments get in the way too much.

Okay, I think I'm adopting a Lynch All Lurkers policy from now on. Every single game I've played since returning has had lurker scum

I need to adopt this too.