Ehh I think the OTM thing is going a bit fast for the evidnece I have seen brought to light. I will not say no to his lynch as I feel if town, we already have 1-2 scum on him. Making tomorrow that much easier...
But yeah...
I think Zhao put a pretty stupid case up near the top of this page... I agree with OTM on the misinterperate things. Not to mention Sarcasm is not the biggest scum tell in the world...
Zhao wrote:However here you put him in the trust group. What happened from post 178-273 from him being suspicious enough for a vote to one of you ‘trusted’ townies? That’s a pretty big change.
I dislike this point, yet I dislike OTM's answer even more... On one hand, I myself have drasitcally changed my opinions in 100 posts... yet I have no problem actaully telling them to the town myself...
Zhao wrote:What did you mean by “teammate”? The only teams possible are the scum team and night communicators. You trying to catch Phate with a guilt by association ploy incase you get lynched?
I am almost 100% positive he meant the "Town team" pretty hard to forget about that one isn't it? Unless of course you are not on it yourself...
Zhao wrote:
OTM wrote:
Post 290
Phate, to change gears slightly, what do you think of Thanatos's recent hop-on of your bandwagon? Doesn't THAT seem like buddying up, since it seems to irk you so much when people agree with you?
You are trying to defect Phate’s attention away from yourself.
No, he is trying to get Phate's opinion on another player. While, at the same time, throwing suspicion ONTO Phate.
so your actually wrong either way you look at it. I hate when attacker's are wrong in their attacks. If a case gives room for obvious strawmanning, it gives room for failure.
OTM wrote:
I wasn't "setting up" anything, the only way you could interpret me that way is by reading me with your mind already made up that I am scum and that is poor play. I was suspicious of kabenon for being noncomittal, he continued being noncommital, he got my vote. It's really not hard to figure out.
I don;t like the "Non-commital" argument almost as much as I hate the "Opprotunistic" argument. Each one has it's own interpretation, and opinions of the matter will vary *Drastically* from player to player. What you see as non-commital, I may see as "Careful consideration" or maybe "Indepth examination." While I agree Zhao seems to have already made up his mind. This is cause for a scum pair relationship where one KNOWS he is bussing his partner... Not very strong, but not a bad starting place either.
OTM wrote:He has showed townish reasoning in the way he has reasoned out the pros/cons of the plan.
More please... cite examples, quotes, reasons.. whatever... convince me dang you! Stop being half assed about it.
OTM wrote:No, I have no idea where you got that idea. Maybe you just shouldn't read my posts if you're going to misunderstand them so badly. Seriously, this is troubling.
I hate it when someone tries to undermine their attacker... It is the only time I ever actually think arrogance can out a scum. Nice dodge too.
Zhao wrote:Thing is, both of them are acting pretty scummy so it's hard for me to agree with your statement. I hope you are not suggesting that a lively discussion is more important than scumhunting.
A lively disscussion is almost always needed to scum hunt... I mean you can try to scum hunt by clapping to yourself all day, I gaurantee you it will get you nowhere...
*laughs at Sensfan getting prodded 20 min after posting*
I really hate when a player does nothign BUT sarcasm though... *sigh* reciting peoples assumptions in a sarcastic tone, then arbitrarily dodging any useful discussion you could give is proabbly the reason no one seems to like yoru playstyle... I am always against a town lynch, but I love to lynch anti-town players...
Thanatos seems a little jumpy... Not sure what that means just yet... a bit more to go on I think...
Zhao wrote:When you voted for him in 178, he had posted some pro/cons of the plan (in which you edited out). You’re saying that his take on the plan pre-178 was scummy but post-178 was townie?
The thing is you posted nothing from 178-273 stating you felt kabenon was less suspicious. You only unvoted for him to bandwagon me. Suddenly dropping the ball in 273 stating he was a trusted townie doesn’t make sense.
this is a good part of yoru case me thinks. I too am disapointed in OTM's responce and would love to hear more on this...
Zhao wrote:@kabenon: Would you care to add your thoughts on this?
I'm sorry... were you not the one who attacked OTM for asking Phate a similar question?
Zhao wrote:Are you still trying to buddy up with Phate even after he gave you that bussing?
I’m not satisfied at all with your explanations. Vote: OTM
First, I agree his explanations sucked... L-3 is not *that bad* so vote is ok for now... You definitly need to take it off should another vote surface, unless you can somehow manage a better attack.
Second, I don't understand you here. By Bussing are you implying you think OTM and Phate are partners? Not implying anything myself, simply asking.
Not likeing QB... Can't say for sure why just yet... Bad juju I guess...
sorry for the intermitant posting... got things going on elsewhere...