Mini 1886: Accounting Mafia [Normal] [GAME OVER]
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I wanted to see what you would do. I naked voted Accounts Payable set up to see if you would bugger me about why I voted that set up; which could indeed bring up meaningful discussion and possible alignment indicative statements or go the route of pestering me about a semantic argument that won't help you or really anyone for the matter.
Let me explain why 13 is bad.
Accountant: Hey gin, you said you didn't read but knew a thing
Gin: Haven't read the OP thoroughly
Accountant: Oh, okay.
End of discussion
Why should I have wasted my time answering that?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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It was inevitable that you were going to ask follow up questions, what I wanted to know was simply what you were more concerned about.
I also explained that both scenario's left me open for questioning by you. What bothered me is that you focused on what was trivial over something with in-game meaning behind it.
What it told me is that you didn't care about why I make a game decision that will affect us for the next month or two, but just wanted to kick up some dust.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I don't see that saying in Cash but I looked back at and noticed there's 1 less scum in Cash than there is in AP.In post 30, Cabd wrote:Also unless I'm mistaken cash gives us a named townie from the get go.
VOTE: Cash“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Well this wasn't blown out of proportionIn post 42, Cabd wrote:Every single one of you fuckers had better start talking right now; because not ALL of you can be the scumteam... And yet you voted for a ~33% or worse town win rate.
Also apply Occum's Razor before making statements like you did in this post.
You got multiple assumptions, first being that 3/4 voting for AP is indeed the scum team(ignoring the fact that this also means the first 4 people to post had all 3 scum in it); second that we did the research on which setup's win rates are high; third, assuming I know what mountainous is; and to top it off, assuming that Accountant and I, who switched our votes to Cash after hearing why Cash was better, is somehow still pushing for Accounts Payable.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Kuroi do you expect me to take that accusation seriously?
I don't get how I'm taking away from your RVS, you're free to go vote because someone's avatar is cute and I'll just try to solve the game.
So it's agreed, I'll go make content you'll inevitably use later on and you can be a meme for a day.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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?In post 91, Cabd wrote:Hiro and are I in thread Mason's for today.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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In post 112, Accountant wrote:
Three posts later you sheep a reasonless vote on me.In post 83, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'll just try to solve the game.
You're no better than Kuroi.
Accounto“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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In post 115, Accountant wrote:PEdit: You're proving my point even more there.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Did you find another town tell or you going to try a different tactic?In post 118, Pine wrote:Gin, are you Town?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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DAMNIT PINEIn post 129, Pine wrote:Picked up on a Town tell. I'm keeping this one to myself, I don't want you to be able to fabricate it when you're scum.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I need to know you're not bullshitting me.In post 134, Pine wrote:Oh fine. Want to know what the Towntell is?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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What is this secret fruit >_>In post 148, hitogoroshi wrote:It's never too early to go after The One True Scumtell.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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What do you expect me to say? I'm not going to push Accountant going "oh I bet you could scum hunt using it" *sticks tongue out and goes na-na na-na boo boo*
Also I do have reads, although weak, they are in fact there.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I don't think you realize I can do it.In post 163, Infinity 324 wrote:I expected you to give a 500-word wallpost about why that post could only possibly come from scum and how we should quicklynch accountant right now.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
"Gin, you are so charismatic it's scary." -nancy-
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For the record, I still don't have trust on Pine, he has a record of buddying me in Large 200, Micro 672, and a marathon game with Firebringer, point being is that every time it was a scum/town Pine/me game, Pine has stated that he caught a town tell.In post 185, Accountant wrote:The food tell sounds like BS. I think Pine is town.
Now in this game, Pine said he caught a town tell >_>“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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For people that want to see references in what I'm talking about.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8880413In post 254, Pine wrote:Gin is probably Town, I caught what I think is a towntell.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Normally I don't like to go off of gut reads but given the dynamics of Pine/I's past experience I feel that I can trust the gut for the reason I stated above.
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VOTE: Pine“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Also more of the gut comes off of reading his tones.
As scum Pine'll go "DAYVIG SUCKA" with that kinda attitude and it pinged me when he was like "I'm the towniest town that ever towned. expect when im not. mofo." and the "booya" from a bit further than the original comment.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Infinity, the dude has an affinity for asking questions, asking for your reads, and just questions that seem like they're poking at you, when he's town. As of current I'm getting that vibe from him so until I can analyze what he pushes and what he's actually trying to accomplish, I'm currently okay with sharing it with him.
As for Accountant, there is something there that I haven't quite figured out yet. It's a feeling of doubt about the slot and I got a hint of distaste on her vote on Pine. I think the part that I don't feel right with is that it wasn't "Accountant found this scummy by Pine," it was "Accountant sheeps hito and Cabd who seem strong town"“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Just going to go off-topic about it once, I mainly just list Accountant's name when describing an action committed but whenever I do use "her" it's because of the avatar and that's really it. I think it's understood that there's an implied apology whenever it's committed as it should be known I don't do it out of malicious intentIn post 209, Accountant wrote:
Like Math, I've given up correcting people for it, at least in games. Way too distracting.In post 207, Cabd wrote:Second Aside: Accountant prefers non-gendered pronouns.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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In post 210, Infinity 324 wrote:
Maybe he legitimately found a towntell this time. Scum!pine might be more careful than to do it 3 times in a row...maybe not though.In post 204, Accountant wrote:
Why would town Pine have motive to do a personal scumtell of his then use WIFOM to justify it?In post 200, Infinity 324 wrote:Gin, ok but there's some WIFOM involved there with such an obvious tell
I went back and actually found an inconsistency in it. Pine told me the town tell was how I reacted to him telling me he found a town tell.In post 211, Cabd wrote:Counter example: Doubling down and claiming the same fakeclaim each time is something I've done as scum. (IIRC fakecclaimed hider three or four times in a row)
However that wasn't the case in Large 200 because he never expanded on that, and in marathon game, he read me as town, then in LyLo said he caught a town tell earlier.
So I don't get how this personal town tell hunt by him is what he says it is if he never used it as described in the past.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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In post 256, Not_Mafia wrote:
NothingIn post 254, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:N_M, what did you learn?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Adding to this, if nothing was actually learned I see "reaction tests" as a cop out to say why you did something bad and try to get heat off.In post 252, hitogoroshi wrote:Also, if you're N_M and think Accountant and shannon are scum, you are doing a "reaction test" where you share a wagon with your top scum read when your secondary scum read has their vote in play and could hammer. That's a pretty big risk to incur, especially when the reaction test didn't seem to have any objective or influence any reads.
With N_M's reaction test, nothing was learned.
With mine in the beginning, mine had a clear cut purpose that I laid out with Accountant and we discussed it.
VOTE: N_M“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Nothing like trying to play mafia in a subway at Walmart and the fire alarm blasts rushing people out
Also, with Pine, I'm at the point where my gut just sent signal flares saying Pine is scum. The only thing is I have paranoia that because I've never had a town town game game with Pine, it sets itself up for confirmation bias.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I'll try to answer questions but it'll be slow because phone posting.
Hito, I think your point is valid in why it only works after a flip but since my brain already decided Pine!scum, it just moved onto finding his partners.
There's also the fact I don't like the bit about the reaction test. If I do end up thinking I was conf!biased on Pine, this is a legitimate thing I have a problem with that doesn't take into account past experiences.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8880367In post 280, Infinity 324 wrote:
WhatIn post 278, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:since my brain already decided Pine!scum, it just moved onto finding his partners.
is it just me or should this really not be a thing on page 12
Gin you're better than this. You know pine, so you can engage with him and sort him. Explain.
Accountant, do you have a read on me?
Pine's first post in game
2 minutes later(check the time stamps) I said Pine was scum. That was a pure, unadulterated gut read.
Wonder what Pine's alignment was that game >_>
i don't think you actually comprehend how much my gut said Pine!scum and how much I allow myself to trust it“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Yes I know there is a logical inconsistency in me hard gut reading Pine and not voting but I think it's also foolish to not try and fully explore the game. If I push a quick lynch and he ends up being town, and that was the only one we pushed, what did we actually learn from the lynch?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Cabd, you're reaching a point where it's going into lamist territory, we get it“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Hey Kuroi, you haven't much talked to me or about me and haven't voted me since the game game started, why so?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I'm not the only one starting to get suspicious of the amount of times Kuroi drops "i might be scum" bombs?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Accountant, there's a difference in going *It's early game and I'll sheep these guys and vote with them because 'they've shown to be townie'* and *It's early game and I see people who I think are pretty town voting someone so I should go investigate myself*
You did the former and just acted like a blind sheep, add onto this that the tell Hito was referring too, you thought was BS.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIn post 412, Accountant wrote:“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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>_>In post 417, shannon wrote:I'll share my read, I think it's either a glorious all-town wagon or Gin is scum. No solid reasoning there, just gut feel.
You just said I got townie points“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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In post 407, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:It gives me bad vibes even now that he's taking it out of RVS.
Spoiler:“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I don't want to be rude and but in but usually posts that contain 'fuck' are usually followed up by an 'off' feelingIn post 496, Accountant wrote:@Infinity: "Off" isn't a read, it's a word so vague as to be near meaningless. What exactly is off? Which post gives you the strongest sense of offness?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Kuroi, do your reads come from saying jokes are scummy?
That's top notch work
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As if this moment, I'm starting to think it was actually townie for N_M to say he learned nothing. Something about the brutal honesty even under scrutiny gives me town vibes.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Infinity, does the honesty from N_M make sense if I relate it to how I formed my town read on AElla was Spine in our last game together?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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