Mini 1887 - Oddrole Mafia (Game over)

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first

gladiate:mcmenno

VOTE: mcmenno

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VOTE: mcmenno
That wording was a bit stiff

your mom's a bit stiff

Aren't we all?
VOTE: Mcennoo

pocketed

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tbh this doesn't seem that different from alban in the JK9++ i modded, so idk if its really scummy of him to do this.

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WAIT A MINUTE
HE WAS SCUM IN THAT GAME

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Le Pro Tip: trying to alleviate pressure on your slot by asking any question to seem useful is scummy

while this is technically correct, the use of "le" deserves lynching

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VOTE: dwlee
VOTE: mcmenno
VOTE: dwlee
VOTE: mcmenno
VOTE: dwlee
VOTE: mcmenno
VOTE: dwlee
VOTE: mcmenno
VOTE: dwlee
VOTE: mcmenno
VOTE: dwlee
VOTE: mcmenno
VOTE: dwlee
VOTE: mcmenno

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VOTE: Jaack

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alban is scum
VOTE: alban

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I am L-1. Claim time.
You people are idiots. You are rendering my role completely useless.

most roles are rendered useless by lynching

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i'll cry and make u feel bad

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you're too lazy for that

well fuck you then

You're just throwing shade at people

Going to say this every game for the forseeable I see.

"Throwing shade" is not a thing, and is utterly shit. Unless we are living in Ankh Morpork, on The Discworld, there are no shades to be seen nor heard.

alright i am never voting prada due to this post

VOTE: alban

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Acting confident helps get out of RVS by starting a wagon, I was not super sure Alban was scum. I'm taking a step back to reexamine his slot and maybe give him time to get it together if he is town but I don't want to advance his wagon atm.

Seems like a complete 180 degrees turn.
While you are on the backfoot and introspecting, try answering why you are satisfied with no explanations from people on my wagon, while you were pushing me for lack of explanations.

Mcmenno and random hardly ever give explanations for anything regardless of alignment.

this isn't exactly fair, i just give short nonsensical explanations based on gut. i wouldn't do this but it tends to work pretty well for me.

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there won't be a votes only post restriction that is in a person's role due to the lack of agency given to that player.

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Sorry guys. Was busy in real life.

Mcmenno, is there a master list of all possible roles somewhere? Like greater idea etc? Coz i m right now struggling to deal with this infinite possibility of roles.

Where did u guys check if post restriction is possible in this setup or not. Coz if this is sure not possible, NM is just trying to be smart.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

eager posted it somewhere, menno quoted it on this page

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vote only post restriction also appeared in SORM 2 run by netherspite. the palyer was modkilled for using votes to communicate too much.
HOWEVER
That was another role inflicting it on a player. giving a player a post restriction of only voting in their role, maybe even only voting alban is pretty unfair on the player. jester is much more likely or potentially a scum gambit.

now that the weak have been weeded out i will get into this game.
@momo, top scum would be alban jaack and nm. top town would be dwlee socrates and prana's slot.
imo bang could be scum here. this does kinda look like his scum game but i dont really know his town game. any one able to shed any light on it?

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Want me to do the honours, Rando? THIS IS my town game but of a different type. I m frustrated at realizing that these setups have neither an finite frame from which roles are drawn. Yes i did sign in, but am much less interested now that the novelty is over. Anyway, as of now I am playing. You can visit my completed town games- 671, 664 and scum game as 657. But right now I am trying to change my Meta. So i don't think you will get much there

this was a good response. bang, a lot of the games on this site are played with hidden role lists. outside or newbies, opens and a few themes most games won't have an open role list.

@Random
Could you give reasons why you suspect Not_Mafia?
P.S. Jaack has been day-killed

i dont think he is post restricted and i think it most likely comes from non-town.
i forgot about jack being dayvigged, my bad.

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fuck whoever blocked and or goo'd me. I like you if you gave me a second vote though (seriously though who the hell goo'd me GAH)

i was one of these but i dont know which

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i disagree

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VOTE: mcmenno
#justicefordwlee

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VOTE: bork
forgot this was scum

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sry about that socrates, been busy over the weekend. im thinking that scum have been playing a sloppy game, as have town. therefore i think vca might be useful here. will get on that.

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1.

Malachite

aronagrundy

I've touched on why I have a visceral negative reaction to them. Their responses to me are a solid meh. Poor interactions with dead mafia, lurky, floaty; probably scum. /shrug

4. Bork Bork

Dead weight. If I were to pick between the two wagons, def would vote here. If we still have a Daykiller he's not a bad candidate for death but would like to see him claim first and/or make an attempt at content post-V/LA.

5.

PranaDevil

Titus

I've thought about it, and Titus's slot is almost always town just because her predecessor was such a pillar of salt about people shitposting. There's the whole "I have actual reasons to suspect other people but I'm going to go for this policy lynch on bork bork bc I'm mad as heck!!"; there's the "I'm concerned enough about the direction that this is going that I'm going to put out a survey and whine about it incessantly". But most importantly, there's the replace-out. Yeah.

6.

All Alone

PimHel

Viridian

Oh wait, All Alone is my predecessor? I thought they were arona's for some reason when I was doing isos and thought that was a slight point in their favor :p

7.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

momo

I am pretty confident that momo did not start off this game as mafia for a combination of mechanical reasons and their predecessor's softclaims. I *think* it's still established what their most likely role is, which is town-only, but I'm not 100% certain that they're not some weird 3rd party edge case. Not lynching them today.

10. randomidget

May or may not be mechanically confirmed town. #58 & #59 sound fake to me. I'm fine with the rest of his posts. Need more to go on tho.

12. McMenno

Moderate behavioral townread. His posts are a good mix of solvey stuff (#81, #321, #325, #340) & brazenness (the progression on the daykiller; most of his early posts). #381 is my fave of his tho. The attitude it exudes is like...lol the mod basically confirmed this person town to me through poor wording, allrighty then. <--- Which I think is a pretty town reaction.

13. Socrates

Most of my crack theories about this game revolve around him. Him turning on his townread of the D1 lynch was disappointing. Him falling off thereafter and not reacting at all to Not_Mafia's death creeped me out. There's times when I feel like I'm just not parsing his view of the game state/his emotional trajectory. I suspect these things may be more "having complex internal reactions to this game bc actually trying to solve the game" indicative than scum indicative, but for the moment I'm not willing to commit to a read here.

it was fake. i was making a joke, but the intent behind them was serious.

Daykiller got goo'd, didn't he? That's why he hasn't shot yet.

RandomMidget, do you think the daykiller is third party?

If McMenno is claiming responsibility for the kill last night, I might have roleblocked the mafia kill. I had honestly expected them to shoot me last night, and maybe they tried!

Unfortunately, Aronagrundy, I do not know who I roleblock.

BUT! We know from Dwlee yesterday that at least some active roles are notified when they get roleblocked? I'm pretty sure I blocked him Night 1. Unless we can get confirmation from our Oddrole experts on whether GreenGoo roleblocks the night it is used?

But if I die and someone later claims to have been roleblocked night 1 or 2, keep these observations in mind.

@Viridian, I had speculated that the game was being weighed down by third parties day one, so this just validates what I already suspected. Do you think Bork Bork is town?

i doubt they are mafia. i think that third party is the most likely in terms of pure mechanics, but kills seem townaligned.

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VC 1.01

Not_Mafia

(2):

McMenno, alban

Socrates (1):

Jaack

McMenno

(1): randomidget
Jaack (1):

Dwlee99

alban

(1): Börk Börk

Not Voting (7): Malachite,

Not_Mafia,

PranaDevil, All Alone, TheRealGin-N-Tonic,

bangthemafia

, Socrates

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch!

Scum have day chat for (expired on 2017-02-27 22:00:00).
The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 22:00:00).

VC 1.02

alban

(5): Börk Börk,

Not_Mafia,

PranaDevil,

McMenno, Dwlee99

Jaack

(2):

bangthemafia,

randomidget

Dwlee99

(2):

alban,

All Alone

Not_Mafia

(1): Socrates
Socrates (1):

Jaack

McMenno

(1): TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Not Voting (1): Malachite

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch!

Scum have day chat for (expired on 2017-02-27 22:00:00).
The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 22:00:00).

VC 1.04

alban

(4):

McMenno,

Not_Mafia,

randomidget, Börk Börk

Dwlee99

(1): PimHel

Not_Mafia

(1): Socrates

Not Voting (6): aronagrundy, PranaDevil, TheRealGin-N-Tonic,

alban,

bangthemafia, Dwlee99

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch!

The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 22:00:00).

VC 1.03

Votes reset!

Not Voting (12):

McMenno,

Not_Mafia,

randomidget, PimHel, Socrates, Börk Börk, aronagrundy, PranaDevil, TheRealGin-N-Tonic,

alban, bangthemafia, Dwlee99

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch!

The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 22:00:00).

VC 1.05

alban

(4):

McMenno

,

Not_Mafia

, randomidget, Börk Börk

Dwlee99

(2): PimHel, Socrates
Börk Börk (1): PranaDevil

Not_Mafia

(1):

bangthemafia

Not Voting (4): aronagrundy, TheRealGin-N-Tonic,

alban, Dwlee99

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch!

The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 22:00:00).

Seeking replacement for TheRealGin-N-Tonic.

VC 1.05

alban

(5):

McMenno,

Not_Mafia

, randomidget, Börk Börk, momo

Dwlee99

(2): PimHel,

bangthemafia

Börk Börk (1): PranaDevil

Not_Mafia

(1): Socrates

Not Voting (3): aronagrundy,

alban, Dwlee99

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch!

The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 22:00:00).

Seeking replacement for PranaDevil.

VC 1.06

alban

(LYNCH):

McMenno,

Not_Mafia,

randomidget, Börk Börk, momo, Titus, Socrates
Dwlee99 (2): PimHel,

bangthemafia

Not Voting (3): aronagrundy,

alban, Dwlee99

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch!

data for day 1

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VC 2.01

Not Voting (12):

McMenno

,

Not_Mafia

, randomidget, PimHel, Socrates, Börk Börk, aronagrundy, Titus, momo,

bangthemafia,

Dwlee99, Dwlee99

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch!

The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-20 00:45:36)

VC 2.02

Not Voting (11):

McMenno

, randomidget, PimHel, Socrates, Börk Börk, aronagrundy, Titus, momo,

bangthemafia

,

Dwlee99, Dwlee99

With 11 votes in play, it takes 6 votes to lynch!

The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-20 00:45:36)

VC 2.03

bangthemafia

(LYNCH): PimHel, aronagrundy,

McMenno,

momo,

Dwlee99, Dwlee99

Not Voting (5): randomidget, Socrates, Börk Börk, Titus,

bangthemafia

With 11 votes in play, it takes 6 votes to lynch!

not much to work with here :/

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amount of conf town off of alban's lynch implies it was probably scum driven. would expect another scum on there.
also the similarity between mine and bork's voting patterns is weird. dont know what to make of it.
socrates is probs town for his vote on nm
pimhel could be scum looking to have two wagons pushing on town. socrates is probs town and bang is a townflip, and pimhel spent the most time on the dwlee wagon.

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i thought you died

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pimhel could be scum looking to have two wagons pushing on town. [...] and pimhel spent the most time on the dwlee wagon.

PimHel was the first person to vote Dwlee before and after the daykill; one other person joined him each time. Because of that I don't get your point.

the two most likely wagons day 1 were bang and dwlee. scum dont tend to end up all on one wagon, so i think they might have hedged their bets and have some scum pushing dwlee and some pushing bang. pimhel is the only person who fits this MO on dwlee.

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i don't know that i am the goo for certain. i am a mystery role aligned with town. there is a pretty good chance that i am goo though, and as no one else is claiming it is pretty much confirmed.

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Let's be honest, Bork Bork claiming grey goo wasn't going to save him. He MIGHT have been the motivator, though, and that would have been important information to know. Can shuffler be pro-town? He might have been the shuffler, too.

Those are two pieces of missing information that the scum can take advantage off, I guess.

Let's resolve this, though:

Rando: There's no point in hiding it at this point. Who did you target last night?

i targetted dwlee both nights. i was trying to figure out if i was the goo-er or not. if someone else got goo ed then i was the motivator, if someone else got motivated then i was the goo.
socrates has some good points here, but we need to ask the mod about role functionalities first. im rly tired atm so im going to re read the last few pages to make sure i understand them later

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Oh good point re: rm. Though no one else has gotten multiple votes? Unless they've been goo'd and their role is still listed as a mystery.

i hit menno last night :/
i think i would be notified if i was gooed. if momo slot is still invincible we should lynch that today right? either he is mafia and lying or town and he wont die.

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Oh good point re: rm. Though no one else has gotten multiple votes? Unless they've been goo'd and their role is still listed as a mystery.

i hit menno last night :/

why not me ;_;

i think i would be notified if i was gooed.

Indeed

if momo slot is still invincible we should lynch that today right? either he is mafia and lying or town and he wont die..

;_; read my posts plz. I don't think there are any more mafia left. We're trying to decide who I should daykill and then who we should lynch if it comes to that

sorry i meant non-town. i did read your posts.

Actually, let's just do this this way.

I'm going to submit a daykill on aronagrundy to the mod in (expired on 2017-03-23 14:33:50).

You all have until then to talk me out of it/into waiting longer for a replacement.

Given that the mod decided not to pause night until a replacement was found, I don't think he's very serious about taking action to that end. If what to do with an empty slot is left on our shoulders, I ultimately think that slot's play is far more town indicative than arona's.

i agree. I'm just trying to cover all bases.

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rm who did you target each night?

dwlee dwlee menno
i feel like they are trying to see something to push back against me in desparation. p sure arona is scum

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twas a good game. sorry for not being more engaged, well played viridian.