Mini 1878: Darkest Dungeon Mafia - VICTORY

[SlySly]

This has the makings of LOTR visits Strahd! Can the mod/co-mod join us for this one?!

xReck, wow, that's a name I haven't thought of in years!!

Curio: Alisae

[SlySly]

oh SlySly!! i think i remember you from...Zombies mafia, or something?

That rings a bell. I think there were a few classics, but I'm currently drawing a blank. Were you in Zwet's Most Bastard?

[SlySly]

This has the makings of LOTR visits Strahd! Can the mod/co-mod join us for this one?!

xReck, wow, that's a name I haven't thought of in years!!

Curio: Alisae

So, why me?

I agree with Cakez sentiment.

The urn description sounds shifty, so I'd rather not send someone super townie to get it.

Your vote on Clumsy seemed scummy after what appeared to be a big, fat juicy crumb of his.

[SlySly]

So I'm responsable for knowing and catching every single little crumb I see when I'm on a mobile device?

I would expect you to catch every little crumb you see, yes. What Clumsy laid down looked more like a boulder to me.

[SlySly]

I am completely swamped with work. I haven't had time to read the latest. I have a full day tomorrow. I'll try to login tomorrow night and catch up. Posted to all my games.

[SlySly]

Sorry guys. I haven't had a chance to catch up yet. I'm taking the kids out tonight for games and dinner. I will try to catch up when we return. If not then, I'll definitely get caught up tomorrow. Posted to all games.

[SlySly]

Fortunately for me and my kids, I have recently acquired a life. Unfortunately for my mafiascum presence, that life has been vacuuming up all of my time. Though I'm still in the middle of a lot, there is a break in sight. I'm still here. I'll be catching up on this and my other games tonight and tomorrow. I'll tackle the shorter ones first.

[SlySly]

Ok, I've caught up in my other games. I'm tackling this one now. I'll offer up my thoughts after my read through.

[SlySly]

I'm through page 10.

So far, Varsoon and Clumsy are TRs.
A&A are pinging my scumdar.

[SlySly]

My game load has very recently been decreased by one (5 to 4, when I signed up for this game I thought the end was very near for me in 2 of those 5. Hasn't turned out that way.). I've caught up some on my work. My gf works the next 3 days. Fortunately for me, that frees up some time for me. Unfortunately for this game, looking at the latest VC, I see the deadline is near. I'm starting page 11 now. I don't have to go into the office tomorrow, so I will pull and "all nighter" and get caught up.

[SlySly]

I fell asleep during my "all nighter". I'm through 16, here's my latest notes. I did notice I read the deadline wrong. I thought it said one day left.

The early Wraith wagon was a complete "joke"

Cakes sounds just like the Cakes I know. The Cakes I know that sound like this Cakes was scum.

Bummer, I was looking forward to playing with xReck.

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aa why are you so hard to sort?
you're probably town but something's niggling me about you

I'm feeling the uneasiness here, too. Arwen-head seems scummy, Aragon-head seems town

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Lycanfire's 325 pings my scumdar. So many references, so few(zero) actual links. These types of posts scream to me, "I'm gonna make a case with unlinked 'reference' points that everyone will assume is true while I know no one will actually follow through and check them."

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HS seems much busier than where we've played together before. I need to refresh my memory from our previous mutual games see what alignment HS was in those.

[SlySly]

This is why I hate hydras. The seeming contradictions make my head want to explode.

I prefer the more pro-active approach, where you try to hunt scum as a team. Not just shit out a spineless readslist and say 'meh'.

HS I asked directly for some reads from you

can you categorize some for me?

[SlySly]

my dad passed away tonight

I know this all too well.
Go do what's best for you.
If playing this game is too much/doesn't bring you joy in these dark times, then go, brother, and do what you need to do to keep yourself afloat.
We understand.

"

Many fall in the face of chaos, but not this one, not today."

I still have my dad, but I 2nd this.

Peace and love to you, Varsoon.

[SlySly]

I'm caught up now.

Town

Clumsy
Alisae
Wraith
Varsoon
Keyser Söze

Murky middle

kuror0
Pine
Human Sequencer
Vifam

Scum

Prism
Lycanfire
SirCakez

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VOTE: SirCakez

[SlySly]

Sly why are you TRing Varsoon?

Gut, his delivery seems genuine

Why are you SRing Prism?

Gut, derailing the Cakez wagon after VT claim, desire to lynch low hanging lurker fruit.

Why are you SRing Lycan?

Building wall cases with post numbers w/o links, seems like scum trying to present fake audit trail

Why are you TRing me?

Gut, you were first to jump off the Cakez after the VT claim, but townily returned

[SlySly]

Sly, is your list in order? Like towniest at the top, scummiest at the bottom?

Yes. These are how my reads stand at the moment. I'm gonna do a reread over the weekend. I always catch things during review that I missed on the first pass, especially when it's a catch up read, as this one was. This list is largely, but not exclusively, based on my gut listening to the tone in playstyles.

[SlySly]

actually yeah btw, what's your experience w/ me, sly? you claim you have some, but we only have one game where i remain unflipped

I guess it's just that one game, I thought there was another. Game overload. In our other mutual game, I'm in the dead thread now. I know how you'll flip there,

but I can't reference that meta yet

.

[SlySly]

I'm here, will post tonight or in the morning. Got a little work and RL to get smoothed out tonight.

[SlySly]

well, night phases are three days long, d2 lasted less than 48 hours and i'm guessing he didnt post the last day or so of d1

but his move on cakez wagon v2 was pretty scummy so i wouldnt mind him dying either

LMAO I wasn't even talking about you in that post. I was referring to slysly.

I knew who you were talking to.

As for your first point, being in multiple games simultaneously sheds tremendous light on things.
As for your second, RL has been a mf'r lately. Cakez was scummy when I was catching up on this game. Catching up on this game was difficult. When it started, I was already "engaged" in several other games. I'm trying to get my "engage" on for this one, now that my time in some others is over.

I'm used to you not being against my death. I'm getting the same vibe from you I always get. You've been town with this vibe every time before.

kuror's complete lack of scumhunting today isnt motivating me to vote anyone else

Outside of lack of scumhunting, what's the rest of your kuror case? When I read through first, I was getting scum vibe's from kuror during the back and forth between you 2. When I reviewed, the vibes weren't the same. Maybe my vibes were different because I already subconsciously already knew the conclusion.

[SlySly]

@ Sly just ISO me and start from the beginning. My case on kurors d1 play is right there

Let me see if I've got a good understand...

1. Reck had a scummy post and Kuror was WKing Cakes as well as a fluff entrance.

Kuror is my #1 scumread. Reck was a nonentity and still had one of the scummier posts in the game. Kuror's catchup was all surface and overexcused, and his defense of Cakez looked like WKing, especially with him now being OK with Cakez being lynched:

Ok I'm here now. Weekends are weekends so I'm usually not that available.

We got almost exactly 4 days left unless we get some extension. Now I must admit I don't have strong reads so far.

I'm not entirely against cakez wagon but I think it kind of reached too soon the claim point, especially when you consider we have a lot of inactive players. I figure you could have poked around other slots to get a better idea but I guess I don't have the merits to complain about that stuff.

@Vifam who are your 2-3 top scum reads so far?

To add I could also go for cakez. Something is odd there and I would rather prevent a last minute wagon jumping getting claims.

^Scum.

Unvote
Vote: kuror9

@ Varsoon, Vifam, Clumsy: I think there's a very good chance Cakez could be town and Pine and kuror9 are scum coasting while you lead this mislynch.

And..
2. Bad mouthed a wagon he could have known was already over along.
3. Called sense and logic the way but ignored the sense and logic that was being applied on the Wraith wagon.
4. Skips reading 3 pages.
5. Doesn't following through on claimed familiarity angle for reads.

Reck's RVS was scum

kuror's replace in was scum. 295 got some townreads and I don't know why, there's nothing easier than bad mouthing a wagon that doesn't even exist anymore during a catch up. Coupled with 298 where he says that all of the high volume posters are making sense and using logic and this is where he starts to lose me--wasn't all of that sense making and logic being applied to the Wraith wagon he just said was garbage?

Ok I will skip pages 14, 15 and 16 and jump straight to this one and fake that I'm aware of everything. So far my biggest scumread is prism. I got freaked out by HS buddying attempt tho it might be a real thought and I enjoy varsoon as a player but it is not AI at all. Now I will keep up with everything but it is weekend and I'm still tipsy so I'm out.

He and Pine both pulled this move and it's completely scum motivated. It took me 50 minutes to read all 32 pages of this game. I understand that not everyone reads at the same pace, or with the same critical thinking, etc. etc. but there's just no excuse for this shit. "I'm just going to pretend the last THREE PAGES!!! didn't exist even tho I've been here the whole time." Give me a break.

To the one who asked about my reads. I already said I don't have strong reads at this point. Most of you are new to me which leads to a longer time on developing reads. I need to understand your style of posting before getting what I find scummy and what not. I like that many players seems to have a logical focus and almost no shit posters but that alone isn't AI.

Also the players I have experience with are either the ones with low content (pine and sly) or Alissae which is a slot I have a lot of problems reading, because I find his style and some post easily as scum motivated but knowing this I hold up reading him this early.

If you want my appreciation of something in particular tho at this point I doubt I can be that helpful but when the time comes I will protect my town reads and push the scum reads I get. For now I'm in the process of getting an idea of everyone's way of posting and gathering small clues to start sorting people.

Scumscuses. You don't have strong reads, fine, but you're saying that you have experience with Pine and SlySly and they have low content...what are the implications of that? Are they normally low content?

Here's the key difference between Human Sequencer and kuror9--they both say they need to have a familiarity with a player's playstyle before they can read them, but only one of them is actually following through with that philosophy.

If I'm understanding everything properly...
1. maybe
2. meh, wifom
3. meh.
4. I agree. Scum don't have to read. This is one of my most common PL screams!
5. maybe

[SlySly]

I'm not particularly against a Kur0 lynch but like HS looks a lot scummier

Can you give me a run down of your HS case?

[SlySly]

Ugh, condense please.

I'll spoiler it and try to condense it for you like I did for Desperado when he avoided my request for a case summary, too.

Spoiler:

HS also hesitated on the Zef lynch towards the end of d3 so


And saying he didn't really wanna lynch Zef because of flavor reasons is super weak, especially seeing as Pine was a pretty empty slot overall and the shot from Varsoon not hitting. Him being really against it is lame

I'm kind of in the game now. I haven't read most of the first 20 pages or so, but I skimmed enough to have a general gist of what has happened. I'm leaning towards making a case on HS or joining the Varsoon wagon.

Yet Pine doesn't ever mention HS again throughout his few posts or why he felt HS was scummy enough to make a case on

Pine apparently scumread Varsoon/Keysar/HS at some point

Didn't move his vote off Reck on any on them at any point

Varsoon is pretty much confirmed town

Keysar already flipped

That leaves HS

You're not wrong about that but Pine suggesting that HS is scum and then never seeming to interact/mention him again is suspect


Plus HS never really asks for the case aside from one post and just lets it slide as if it never happened

And right after that he townreads Pine because of his meta read on Alisae


Doesn't bother to infer why Pine would think he was scum, but he townreads him because of a meta read Pine didn't even really put into words

Trying to think of a flavour reason as to why scumPine would survive a shot. I'm drawing a blank.

????????????????

What

Yeah HS is scum here imo

Ok, if I'm understanding properly, your case on HS is...

1. HS hesitated on Zef lynch stating because of flavor reasons ("super weak")
2. possible Pine bus on HS, Pine never mentions HS again
3. Pine included HS in SRs but never voted HS (or other claimed SRs)
4. POE
5. TRs Pine because of Pine's Alisae unexplained meta

Not really following your point on 1112. Elaborate please?

You make a better case on HS than Desp does on kuror.

Votecount

Cabd.

kuror0 [3] - Desperado, Clumsy,

(Varsoon move since VC)

Human Sequencer [1] - Vifam
Vifam [1] - Lycanfire

Not Voting [3] - Everyone else

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

It is now Day Three, which will end at 23:00 PST on Mar-02-2017.
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

VOTE: HS

Clumsy or Varsoon, care to summarize your case against kuror for me?

[SlySly]

LMAO Sly you don't get to not play the game and then say I "ignored" your request for a summary.

I'm here and playing now. I requested a summary from you and you directed me to D1. You don't get to be scummy just because RL has been kicking my ass recently.

[SlySly]

Still want to hear a) what completed games we have that's leading him to get "the same town vibes" he always gets from me and b) why he's trusting that read when his other "same vibes as I always get" on a player was with Cakez being scum.

a.

I did a review on this and realized I can't comment about this.

b. With all the credit you seem to be giving me for Cakez demise, let's not forget who hammered Cakez.

SirCakez [7] - Vifam, Wraith, Clumsy, Varsoon, SlySly, Alisae, Desperado

[SlySly]

#1 I didn't give you any credit for Cakez' demise.
#2 I tried, vehemently, to get the lynch off of Cakez.
#3 you're a dead man bro

1. This is what I am talking about.

but his move on cakez wagon v2 was pretty scummy so i wouldnt mind him dying either

2. You hammered. Nice try.

[SlySly]

1. should be combined with this.

b) why he's trusting that read when his other "same vibes as I always get" on a player was with Cakez being scum.

You trying to blame me for what you hammered home.

[SlySly]

lmao guilty conscience much? I haven't blamed you for anything; you've had almost no presence in this game so why would I assign you credit for anything that's occurred?

Yes, I have not been engaged in this game nearly enough, but I'm here now. Iso'ing you, I realized your contribution to this game hasn't been on the overly active side. I didn't notice before because I wasn't here. So, life's given me a little time for this again. So, reengage, then...

I asked you for a case summary and I loosely directed to old D1 reaching.
I asked Vifam for a case summary and I was directed to specific recent thinking at this point in the game.

Your case = reaching at best
Vifam's case = good

I vote for Vifam's case.

You pull off your kuror case, who you've stated obvious bloodthirst against, with what I see as an attempt to lay blame on me for Cakez lynch.

@desperado you were advocating for my lynch since day 2 that's the only reason you got to want me lynched?

i've actually been advocating for your lynch since the minute i replaced in

You vote me.

Strikes me as scummy.

[SlySly]

I logged into the site with 3 prods, 2 of which had went to replacement.

You tell me to iso, and a relatively short ISO appears.

Some of the other games I've been playing, which you are well aware of, have HUGE iso's I've been reviewing. I'm not playing algebra, I'm just playing. I've just gotten into this game really and you've been engage more than me, so when I went to your iso, I was expecting a lot higher number of posts.

[SlySly]

RL wasn't done with me. Sorry for the absence. Work has been breathing down my neck. Performance review tomorrow.

[SlySly]

You just lynched a Plague Doctor (VT). Sorry I was so distracted during this game by RL.

[SlySly]

You hammered. Maybe Andrius will give me a sympathy governing.

[SlySly]

curio:Clumsy

I'd be fine giving it to Varsoon as well.

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Desp, based on the end of yesterday, if there is anyone that would obviously come out tunneling me today, it's you.
If I was scum, you'd have been targeted in the night.

[SlySly]

lol ya you're gonna leave the doc alive when varsoon had already shot scum

try again scum

you said i was a bad player, why would you expect me to make decisions that you would make? if i was scum, i'd be targeting those calling for my head.

[SlySly]

and i dont think ive ever called you a bad player

really?

Why would Lycan be on the counterwagon to his scumbuddy

SlySly was at L2 when Clumsy voted, I don't really see the reason to bus there

Makes me think Sly is town

because sly is useless

and no one was pressuring lycan

[SlySly]

Are you suggesting you've been useful this game?

No, I barely remembered this game for most of it. RL has been kicking my ass for several weeks.

[SlySly]

Town:

Clumsy

Leaning town:

Desperado - obv tunnel on me, but at this point there's only so many left, i can understand the reasoning
Vifam - seems to be using brain and thinking through things like town, not just jumping to easy lynch

Free Pass:

Varsoon - has targeted with excellence

No way is Clumsy scum.

If I'm right, this game is only running because of a living SK. 2 mafia + every night SK would make sense to me.

VOTE: No Lynch

We avoid a mislynch, keeping town number higher. Varsoon should target me tonight. When I flip town, lynch Varsoon SK, town win.

[SlySly]

Town:

Clumsy

Leaning town:

Desperado - obv tunnel on me, but at this point there's only so many left, i can understand the reasoning
Vifam - seems to be using brain and thinking through things like town, not just jumping to easy lynch

Free Pass:

Varsoon - has targeted with excellence

No way is Clumsy scum.

If I'm right, this game is only running because of a living SK. 2 mafia + every night SK would make sense to me.

VOTE: No Lynch

We avoid a mislynch, keeping town number higher. Varsoon should target me tonight. When I flip town, lynch Varsoon SK, town win.

If you're so sure that Varsoon is SK, shouldn't you be pushing for his lynch today?

Mislynch is too dangerous. If Varsoon isn't SK, we go into night without a vig and scum get a free shot and a final day of 2v1 wifom coin flipping with scum picking who plays.

[SlySly]

Okay I see what you're getting at now.

1 sk/mafia, 4 town

no lynch

1 sk/mafia, 3 town

lynch (if missed)

1 sk/mafia, 2 town

night kill

1 sk/mafia, 1 town, we lose.


The problem here now is that if we don't lynch, in your perspective, we're giving up a lynch to get a kill on guaranteed town (you), to then just lynch there the next day.

Just to clarify we are on the same page here.

Today:
1sk 4 assumed town, no lynch, nk

Leads to Tomorrow with:
1sk 3 assumed town, lynch sk, game over town wins

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You asked why not just push SK today and I said:

If Varsoon is lynched and is town vig. That means there's still scum.
Now it becomes night and leads to...

1 maf 3 town, nk (with mafia picking who dies)

Leading to tomorrow with:
1 maf, 2 town

I'm not sure how you ended up at 1scum v 1town.

[SlySly]

Jester flavor for VT?

Plague doctor is so much tastier. Andrius must not like you!