Mini 1880: Witch Trials Mafia - Game over!

[drealmerz7]

@wez - I'd like some flavor from you

[drealmerz7]

uhhhhhhh, that's utter BS, jordan (do you mind being called jordan for ease?)

yeah I can totally vote that slot if ISO doesn't go

[drealmerz7]

ugh

if people are going claim results they need to go ahead and claim their results, not some vague whiff of their result

agreed that looks suspect as fuck and is probably lynchworthy, but I have to say I'd have liked some more in the result (I can easily come up with a believable pro-town fakeclaim that uses those items)

[drealmerz7]

I think we might have scum+scum here, actually

[drealmerz7]

willing to hammer

waiting for last words

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: desperado

just observed him in a noob too - this could definitely be him as scum and I don't want cold feet to start to happen to ppl

especially ISO if they're busing

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Isomorphic

hey that's what I was going to do to start the day too!

VOTE: isomorphic

[drealmerz7]

wow

yes

let's lynch iso please

I was sure yesterDay, but, now even more so today after all of that

helpful I know, I'm beat

[drealmerz7]

well you're doing a horrible job at it

[drealmerz7]

but, if you're town you

should

replace out because you are a detriment to town - a really big detriment

methinks you're just scum though

"I'm not going to engage someone I think is scum" - hmmmmm what?

[drealmerz7]

oh you're just trying to buddy slysly

I get it now

[drealmerz7]

how is that bad behavior?

it's the Truth

[drealmerz7]

you just like talking out of your ass, ali, it's really annoying please leave

self-vote even

[drealmerz7]

you are constantly just saying shit with NO REASON/logic behind it

it's infuriating

[drealmerz7]

I don't understand I guess

to me they are talking out of their ass by just saying things with no foundation / clear thought process

how is me saying that "bad behavior"? because I didn't coddle their ego?

[drealmerz7]

there's nothing to engage or to "play mafia with" in their posts most of the time

they're saying contrived bullshit that they think sounds good - to me it seems like they have no idea how to play mafia

I don't know how to engage that shit

[drealmerz7]

I don't even begin to understand how that is behavior that I can be penalized for

[drealmerz7]

I didn't tell him to leave

I said "please leave" and said to self-vote because he's not playing the game - all very pro-town suggestions from me, not "bad" at all even if I didn't do it sweetly

so no I don't see how it is "bad" please elaborate

[drealmerz7]

and them not engaging me or making coherent cases isn't dumb and bad?

[drealmerz7]

Drealmerz please don't tell me to vote myself that's playing against my wincon thanks
-Ali

actually, if you're town, it's for your wincon because you being dead it would serve town better than you being alive

[drealmerz7]

how is dumb good in any way?

[drealmerz7]

I've never said to myself "that's really fucking stupid, but a good fucking stupid, not in a bad way"

[drealmerz7]

shaz, sure give me a couple days because I just am not feeling it

ali, you clearly don't know what "meta" means

[drealmerz7]

B. L-2 (5) Grey - Andrius, Vecna, ThinkBig, All Alone, drealmerz7
I highly doubt this wagon is all town.

why do you doubt that? please put thought behind your words instead of just spewing words

to me it makes sense - grey was really fucking scummy, scum don't want to lynch a player that is being scummy, town does - now show me your logic that leads to your doubt

[drealmerz7]

grey always hints at being a PR, it's part of shit-playstyle that makes pretty much everything he says in regards to him having a role entirely ignorable in every single game he is in

[drealmerz7]

ignorable is the wrong word, obviously you (General Yu!) don't ignore the claims, you just take them with a grain of salt and analyze if it makes more sense as a scummy fake-claim or if it actually believable / makes sense in contenxt - his was clearly a scummy fake-claim (to me) of course I'm going to push it and it's infuriating that ppl are so fearful to lynch PR claims around here, but the majority wanted to lynch LHF in AA, which yours and grey's spot on that wagon are the fishiest

[drealmerz7]

wow, that's a bunch of assumptions and horrible logic

scumpoints for shaz (first time all game!)

[drealmerz7]

scumpoints come from you painting a picture but not knowing the colors you're using, not from the defending

I really don't have the energy right now, but, I'll do this much:

it's a theme game, mods can tweak shit to work however they want it to work

you make assumption after assumption in that post, ignoring other possibilities

[drealmerz7]

scumpoints for shaz (first time all game!)

This looks desperate tbh
-Ali

and why would I be desperate? you adding "tbh" to this post is scummy as fuck too

[drealmerz7]

what's that have to do with anything? game doesn't have to be bastard, there's a dozen ways to write a role and abilities to get it to do what you want without it being bastard

what I'm getting from you now is that you know ISO is town and you're squirming around to "prove" it

[drealmerz7]

shaz - you asking that question is really weird - you know better I think

the wiki is not an end-all be-all at all

moderators are allowed to put stipulations on existing roles (you're a governor but you can only govern fellow scummies - OR ANYTHIGN THEY WANT)

as a mod you can be like "I'm going to create a role and call it 'chairman of the board' and this is what it will do" and then you make it do it

[drealmerz7]

you just did it yourself for yourself

call it anything you want

[drealmerz7]

how many scum do you think are left, ali?

[drealmerz7]

riveting

pers I find your lack of input disturbing

no one is saying dick, you don't need to come in and say dick if you're not going to say dick

[drealmerz7]

I think shaz knows better than to do all of that though and so it pings me medium-heavy

it doesn't knock him off of being a townlean, but, it's put him more on my radar

[drealmerz7]

you just misunderstand how I play the game

just because I mention 1 thing about 1 person and there is a little talk about it doesn't mean anything than "hey there was this 1 thing about this 1 person that struck me a little bit let's note it and talk about it" - it doesn't have to be damning or dictate an entire read

it's about who has the most and the most glaring and damning pings/questionable content - isomorphic is leaps and bounds and super far beyond anyone else in that department, there's no way I'd vote shaziro today

[drealmerz7]

pedit: House of Harmony Drealmerz. House of Harmony.

you say that like you're laying down some profound whatever the fuck

but you're really not

[drealmerz7]

I what if you HAD to choose between ISO and myself?

[drealmerz7]

I? myself?

me

[drealmerz7]

shaz, is that more because you have a bit of a scumread on me, or that your ISO townread is SO STRONG?

[drealmerz7]

yet you agree they shouldn't live until lylo, but aren't willing to lynch them today?

[drealmerz7]

can you answer the question please? because I am now not clear and if you wuold have just answered the fucking question it'd have been easier

[drealmerz7]

are you saying that is no longer a view you hold (that they must not live to lylo) ? if so, I missed it, and why I asked the question I asked

and why didn't you just answer it for clarification?

[drealmerz7]

you forgot that's what you wanted?

what kind of shitpost IS that?!

[drealmerz7]

do you typically have 100% faith in TRs, slysly? I never do

[drealmerz7]

actually that is not true it has happened a few times in 30 games or wahtever the fuck I've played

[drealmerz7]

ali, you don't know what meta is

[drealmerz7]

meh massclaim makes more sense tomorrow if we're still here but if you all want it today I'm not going to argue against it other than to point out the obvious that, if we ML, it will make scum's job easier to pick akill tonight

[drealmerz7]

how does your role jive with iso's, slysly?

p-edit- iso is on it

[drealmerz7]

sounds like a JK?

[drealmerz7]

do we have babies?

[drealmerz7]

wow a townpost from ali

[drealmerz7]

but did you not believe they were going to kill him just the same?

[drealmerz7]

btw I'm not exactly jumping to claim considering my top 2 SRs are the two who seem to want it the most

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: slysly

[drealmerz7]

you would consider what vecna did a "soft" ?

[drealmerz7]

ISO, why do you think slysly wouldn't take you to L-1 and is pushing jordan instead?

[drealmerz7]

town voting town is not playing against wincon unless the one voting actually thinks you're town

I don't think you're likely town and almost voted you yesterDay, until you stopped your engagement with me, which is a complete scumtactic and is ACTUALLY against your wincon if you're town

[drealmerz7]

you talk as if you know I'm town

if that is jordan being scum he is good scum and I look forward to playing with him again - I find him not likely to be scum at all, his effort has me townleaning him now when before he was null

to me it is you or ISO, with shaz as a far-chance outlier at this point

[drealmerz7]

not protecting andrius can almost be seen as against your wincon and is at least very anti-town

[drealmerz7]

your response to my question about us having babies was horrible

ANDRIUS WAS THE BABY DUH

you should have protected him

[drealmerz7]

it's not about what you THINK

it's about what you KNOW

[drealmerz7]

your statement comes from a mentality of KNOWING I'm town, not THINKING I'm town

[drealmerz7]

I want to kill them both can we kill them both?

[drealmerz7]

wow that stinks, slysly

"yehhh seer, but meh"

[drealmerz7]

gladiator

[drealmerz7]

hence my "reasons" the other Day with slysly and me asking about if you had to vote just between me and someelse (iso specifically at the time)

[drealmerz7]

We can discuss how I'm left handed, a little crazy, smoke a lot of weed...

maybe we're just a lot alike...

sooo more on my claim

it's 1 shot (obviously)...because I have such a reputation in town my words carry heavy weight I can make my voice heard and announce in the thread who I want to gladiate and all votes (except paranoia votes) are reset and only votes that can be made that count are for me or who I gladiated

[drealmerz7]

you mean a level of such arrogance that makes your play absolutely shit...yeah I can see that possibility

[drealmerz7]

No, I'm really at all inclined to use my ability today other than the fact that I think I might now be NKed for it now, which is part of the reason I was so against a massclaim, as I feel like I am much weaker and likely to be killed than before, it's really against town to have claimed for me I think, but, what was I going to do? keep fighting it.

I think you all need to not be so ready to claim so much in games, it is really ridiculous and more often than not hurts town and helps scum rather than helps town

TRUST PLAYERS TO CLAIM WHEN IT SUITS TOWN BEST, don't force claims (unless it is the L-1 force! that is the only claim that should be forced and enforced if it is not given)

iso, you asking me to use it on you is really gross to me, pings me hard, makes me want to put my vote back on you

so yeah, let's kill slysly or iso already please FFS

[drealmerz7]

whatforwhy?

[drealmerz7]

"just want you to verify your role" is fucking BS horrible reason

[drealmerz7]

if you think I might be lying, say so and say why

[drealmerz7]

voting because of claims is horrible

and again, say why you think it is scummy, holygeebus

[drealmerz7]

Um Persivul I'm concerned...
-Ali

all of the sudden, because of claimstuff

horrible

[drealmerz7]

when we achieve lynch? yes! it's not a double-lynch in a Day thing I don't think! that'd be crazy powerful

[drealmerz7]

I will ask clumsy but my understanding of it is that it just makes the lynch for the Day between me and my target, there isn't any modification about it being an added lynch for the Day, but I will ask

[drealmerz7]

gladiatorialization question submission sent

[drealmerz7]

yep, confirmed by mod - the gladiate sets the lynch for the Day to me and my target, it is not an extra lynch, the Day will end at lynch of me or my target if I do it

[drealmerz7]

umm what?

I never said I was confirmed wtf are you spouting?

[drealmerz7]

it's already established what I think about the word confirmed

your demeanor is whacked

[drealmerz7]

nope

[drealmerz7]

in fact, what I am saying and have always said is "don't make your reads based on claims", which remains consistent with me and what I think ppl should do in regards to me

[drealmerz7]

how would it be anything other than a coincidence???

[drealmerz7]

if you want to look for indications based on roles about knowing information

it'd be a BABYSITTER being able to figure out there was an INNOCENT CHILD

I've been innocent child twice, btw, and see them more than that

but the guy from 2007 hasn't seen one before?

[drealmerz7]

Babysitter has no special interaction with an IC, so far as I am aware.

it's a flavor thing duh

INNOCENT CHILD

but!!

dreal so you think the babysitter claim is real?
-Ali

I think it is a likely fake-claim provided for the scum RB or whatever it is slysly is actually if he is scum

[drealmerz7]

I won't be intimidated into using my role

[drealmerz7]

why don't we just lynch him and I gladiate someone tomorrow if we're still around?

[drealmerz7]

that's not a reasonable reason

work with me here

[drealmerz7]

yes, I think it is quite possible, don't you? if not him then iso, really, but with how you're being...heh

that's why I'm voting him

[drealmerz7]

sure, let me write up the flavor

[drealmerz7]

(the answer I was looking for was because I'm likely the NK btw), but was hoping for more persuasive arguments than that

when I claimed I knew I was probably going to have to claim (because being NK, and I figured everyone would push me to do it too, but yeh, I'm likely killed so will do it)

[drealmerz7]

you or iso or even on a long-haul pers could be scum

I'm less likely scum with my role I'd think, but we can go this way

flavor upcoming in a minute

you will all learn to TRUST MY WORD as you good townies do (that is what the gladiate is, btw, alisae, which I had already said when I told more of my flavor, that my word is trusted around town/carries weight)

AS IT SHOULD

[drealmerz7]

no not at all tis ridiculous and I've been towny all game I dunno where you're coming from with this it is ridiculous

suddenly I'm scum

bogus

anyway, yep, working on flavor nows

[drealmerz7]

drealmer stands in front of the remaining group of villagers, exasperated at the senselessness that such a number of his fellows spew forth, *why will they not listen*, he wonders...finally, they call upon him to prove himself to them, and so he figures he will try

"Listen, fools!!! How many times have each of you turned to me when you've needed advice? About

so

many things!!! Things I don't mind sharing openly, like when it is best to plant certain seeds and what spices to put in a meal, or how to best work together when we were building the second stable for the town. You all remember how that went! That project surely would have failed if it weren't for my sound advice. AND THEN ALL OF YOUR HORSES WOULD BE DEAD!!!

I mean geez!

and through all of THIS!!! I was wrong about vecna, but I was right about him being deceitful. I didn't want the All Alone lynch. I wanted grey lynched. And grey was anti-town supermuch and if I were scum I'd have wanted him around, but no, I pushed the lynch on the SK!!! scum would want to keep him around for at LEAST a Day, ppls! I hammered desperado, slysly was more the hop-on scum vote on that wagon (more likely than Iso who was first vote.) And I've been playing for town, obviously!

and NOW you all (mostly?) don't trust me! ridiculous! it makes me weep

WEEEEP ~)~: (that's me frowning and crying, the tears run so far...)

SO

-

WITH A GLADIATOR'S MIGHT!

I CALL UPON ALL THE INFLUENCE I EVER HAD ON ALL OF YOU! YOU FORCE MY WILL TO FORCE YOUR WILLS!

By the weight of my voice and influence of my mind, I force you ALLLL to CHOOOOOSE

all your votes mean NOTHING now, I demand you re-evaluate and cast your votes again, this time

you MUST CHOOSE between SLYSLY and ME !

VOTE: SlySly

[drealmerz7]

IT SHOULD BE FUCKING CLEAR WHAT THE FUCK

I SAID ALREADY

CAN YOU READ?!?!

[drealmerz7]

it's not that I wanted to STALL

it's that I don't want to do it it toDay

was hoping to not have to / don't think it is best if I do, so I resist it and see if I can steer it to not, but, no, apparently have to because you all are rolecrazy in the brain with how you play rolestuff

[drealmerz7]

said so already

[drealmerz7]

I don't really think as many of you doubted it as appeared...at all...

it was a pretty likely real-claim, dunno what some of you were off about, other than being scumtastic, but, hey

have a go~

[drealmerz7]

if he was provided the fakeclaim as that, pers

[drealmerz7]

oh ffs

[drealmerz7]

it's not a fucking rush at this point, at all

[drealmerz7]

like you aren't even reading the thread

WHAT IS THE FLAVOR

read the fucking flavor

holy shit

[drealmerz7]

I'm saying you can't read the flavor that I have claimed MULTIPLE TIMES, and I can't help but think you're just trlling me

for like the 3rd or 4th fucking time, I'll take it REALLY SLOWLY FOR YOU OKAY???

I am a person in the town, you know, like just a regular person, but

because I am so trusted, because my influence and perspectives are so well respected, my words carry weight, I can use them to persuade you all to do exactly what I did (gladiate ability forcing you all to finally make a choice between me and someone else)

in my fucking flavor

if you would just READ IT!!!

FFS

[drealmerz7]

I'm so excited, slysly...so excited!

[drealmerz7]

you did a wonderful job of being scumtastic if you're town

if you're just scumploying, well, can't blame ya (:

[drealmerz7]

if slysly isn't scum I'm figuring it is iso

should have lynched slysly today and let me wait to gladiate

[drealmerz7]

haha ohman, shaz, are you trying to get yourself set up for a lynch?

[drealmerz7]

no, you all need to get on here and vote slysly

don't be ridiculous pls

[drealmerz7]

or, you know, vote slysly and make shaz move his vote

frikken geez ppls

[drealmerz7]

egh

why is slysly so scummy? why were his NAs so horrible?

egh

@clumsy, you can't figure we're going to get a majority of 3 :þ

[drealmerz7]

3 votes in play should be a maj. of 2, imo

[drealmerz7]

I think what mostly matters to me is what jordan has to say

[drealmerz7]

...
If i was town here...

sometimes people tell me not to read into other ppl's word choice, but, oof, how can I not with a phrase like this?!

[drealmerz7]

well I'm up for either avenue I guess but I think I'm slightly leaning towards no lynching and see what we're left with tomorrow

[drealmerz7]

I honestly don't feel very hopeful either way because at this point I at a complete loss

like, at the end of ~laundry~ (since a few of you were in that game) I at least had a line of thought (multiples really) that I could follow to lead me to a conclusion I was comfortable (and correct) with

here now, it could be iso like I thought from way early, or it could be jordan like slysly was so convinced about but didn't care to really convince anyone else about, or it could be persivul for all I know

iso is really the only one that I have as heavy likely scum though, but, then, it's ali, sooo, is it just their crap anti-town play or are they really scum?

lost

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: isomorphic

game's yours if you're scum, pers.

[drealmerz7]

why? been a scumread since D1, should have killed you after the Desperado lynch, should have gladiated you intead

if pers is scum, he's won, no way I'm letting you live through the Day today after ali's play all game

[drealmerz7]

but really, ISO, I just think you're scum

[drealmerz7]

horrible tunnel? ali played like shit, you can't blame me for their horrid play through the game that made me SR them pretty hard - SO MANY THINGS, I feel like a huge part of how they play is to stay alive rather than be helpful to the team

shaz, your case on them sucked and you were just like "this is how it is", it wasn't convincing, obviously, especially with how you view a lot of possibilities for how roles work/can work/what a mod might do

don't get all pissy, ppl, persivul played a very good game, geebus

and there's nothing wrong with voting that fast if my mind is made up, eh? the way ali plays, they jump all over in their reads and how they try to convince, it's soooo back and forth it becomes meaningless to me

and then keyen didn't say anything to convince me to remove my vote other than whine

[drealmerz7]

I lied I still couldn't hammer myself but thanks for throwing the game dreal unless you're scum.
-Ali

how is that throwing the game? it's statements like this that you make that make NO FUCKING SENSE AT ALL THAT MAKE ME NOT LISTEN TO A SINGLE FUCKING THING YOU SAY

it's not throwing the game, it's putting my vote on who I think is scum

you don't say SHIT that is convincing because all you do is a spew spew spew a dozen contradicting thoughts but not actually have any conviction about any of them or ever really decide on anything

[drealmerz7]

No dreal, you're the one that played like shit. If you were convinced ISO was scum why didn't you gladiate him?

because it didn't look like I had the votes and slysly was scummy as fuck imo too anyway

I probably should have anyway, actually, no, I should have said fuck everyone and not gladiated like I KNEW WAS BETTER anyway

[drealmerz7]

it's really hard to not play like shit when ali is puking over the entire game being useless and making every interaction with everyone else impossible to judge

[drealmerz7]

So basicly you want to throw the game right now.
Well I checked with the mod. Apparently I lost my ability in lylo/mylo.
I'll gamethrow because you asked me to.
VOTE: Isomorphic
You scum dreal?
-Ali

like this is not a town action or words AT ALL IN THE SLIGHTEST

tell me why everything you've done has been from a town motivation and try and convince me

THIS IS THE SHIT PLAY AT THE END OF THE GAME

well that and the DEMANDING I gladiate, fucking hell, use your own fucking abilities and leave me to mine

abilities should never be used against somenoe 'DO IT OR GET LYNCHED' is fucking HORRIBLE

[drealmerz7]

it's not gamethrowing, what the fuck don't you understand about IF YOU THINK THAT IS WHAT IT IS, EXPLAIN IT

[drealmerz7]

you voting yourself and whining like a spoiled brat instead of arguing why you're town/pers is scum is game-throwing, if anything is, but to me it's just your usual shit play that you don't know how to play the game

[drealmerz7]

Also, if you had not gladiated, you'd have gladiated Iso or some shit and been -just as wrong-. Stop trying to blame everyone else for your garbage play.

I'm not trying to BLAME anyone, you're all trying to blame me

I'm explaining why I viewed ISO the way I did

[drealmerz7]

It's gamethrowing because you failed to consider that your read could be wrong. You don't even get to argue that it was a good read, because it was -wrong-! You set scum up to get an easy win if you were wrong, and you -were fucking wrong-.

no, I did consider it could be wrong, I figured the likelyhood was less, I mean, that is how you fucking play

I went by who I thought was more likely scum

what the fuck?

[drealmerz7]

The guy who put somebody at l-1 in lylo first thing is telling somebody else they don't know how to play the game. LOL. It must be real embarassing to brag about how even the newbies on your home site are better than players here, and then play like that.

you're refusing to understand my frame of mind and just writing things off to what you can put down, it's fucking horrible

actually try to see my perspective, eh?

[drealmerz7]

I voted

and then I waited

and keyen whined

and said nothing

I could have unvoted before pers hammered if they'd given a fuck to try at any point in the game to not be a scumfuck

roles don't mean SHIT most of the time, it's not how you read someone's alignment anyway

[drealmerz7]

YOU DIDN'T EVEN GIVE ME A FUCKING CHANCE.

you had all fucking game

and fuck your stupid fucking gambits, they SUCK

[drealmerz7]

Your frame of mind is garbage and wrong. Voting somebody immediately on a 3 person lylo because you're thinking they're scum without spending any time ensuring that your read is correct is gamethrowing, especially when a well-developed case for that person being town is in play. Blaming the person you set up to get quickhammered because they didn't have time to talk to you before they got quickhammered is garbage.

I DID SPEND TIME ENSURING IT

ALL FUCKING GAME and then ALL NIGHT

[drealmerz7]

seriously, I am just defending myself I feel like from stupid shit

[drealmerz7]

it's fucking mafia and that is how it goes sometimes and I explained why I think ali plays like shitscum and garnered the read he did from me

[drealmerz7]

and you all fucking wanted to let grey live and kill all alone and I wasn't about any of that

slysly had horrible night actions and his reasons for them suck, and yet, I'm the horrible player?

[drealmerz7]

Man, roles sure are pointless to look at...

can you actually read words?? I didn't say they were pointless to look at

READ FUCKING WORDS, MAN

[drealmerz7]

I said they usually mean shit when discerning alignment, yes, you were correct, whhoopie fucking doooo, yay for you

I was wrong, woooooooooooo fuck me! if anyone cared to understand why I still thought iso was scum after that, they'd have asked and tried to talk to me and worked with me

ya know, it's a team game, it's about WORKING TOGETHER, I do try to do that, over and over and over, and yet ppl are kind of jerks, so I'm a jerk back *shrug*

[drealmerz7]

You didn't look at the fact that the one person hard-defending Ali was NKed. You didn't look at the fact that the one person scumreading Pers was killed off. You didn't take the time to let Keyen explain what was up with -their- Persivul scumread that was stated to exist by Alisae, even after it was made clear that Keyen was there and trying to post. You threw, dreal.

YES I FUCKING DID

holy shit man, how the fuck can you be so fucking arrogant to try and pretend like you have any fucking clue what I thought about, considered or whatever else

holy fucking shit

[drealmerz7]

Also how does SlySly's role and Pers' claimed role possibly go together in a game? SS' flip should have told you that Pers was scum

it didn't obviously

did it tell jordan or iso (2 people!!!) that? did they try to tell me that? NOPE

[drealmerz7]

which I explained, because you make yourself unlistenable-to

because you just spew a bunch of shit the ENTIRE game, in all the games I've been in with you

your opinions become completely weightless because you have 50000 thoughts that you share that yo have no real backing up/reason/conviction to (that you express in any good way, anyway)

[drealmerz7]

it's like you want to be right more than anything, and so you give 50000 options so that you can say "see I was right, right there!!!!" instead of care about anything else

[drealmerz7]

I am chilled, I just get aggravated a bit for feeling like I'm shit on unreasonably

yeah, whoop, I made a mistake at the end, it should be understandable and just because it's not how you would have played it doesn't mean if you understand why I played it (and that I thought through my play), it shouldn't be OMG DREALMER SUCKS so fucking much

like, pers played a good game
ali played a shit game (in my view)

if anything we shouldn't have no lynched so fast yesterday, I was a bit upset about that

ali, your "right to be mad" is so fucking self-righteous and misguided, you really need to get a better fucking view

[drealmerz7]

Also how does SlySly's role and Pers' claimed role possibly go together in a game? SS' flip should have told you that Pers was scum

it's possible and I don't discount anything or make my reads based solely on role-assessment (I do consider the role synergy, but it doesn't MAKE me decide when there are other overriding factors, like the actual reads I have on the players based on their play, which was hugely in favor of persivul and not for iso)

[drealmerz7]

seriously shaz, you either can't read, have no reading comprehension, or you just like to take what I say and change it, it's maddening

like, READ THE WORDS, don't take them and interpret them in some horrible way, holy fuck, what the hell?!

and grey, how is what I did shit play? like, that is the thing, you all say I did horribly but, ummm, no, I just made the wrong choice at the end, with good reason, it wasn't intentional, and if you have the capacity to understand, it really shouldn't be that much of anything

like...there are ten other things in the game that other people did that were way more stupid and worse plays and yet, you want to shit on me, it's disgusting

grey, you are intolerable

[drealmerz7]

you are taking a generalization and not even looking at specifics

your brain melts because you can't handle the complexity or depth of what went on here if anything

I mean, ali's not even saying "omg I was going to say this and convince you that it was pers"...nope, just whining

[drealmerz7]

I wasn't hard tunneled though

and the "immediate voting in lylo", again, was based off of looking over and reflecting on the game

if ali can tell me what they would have said to try and convince me otherwise, I'll listen and be open to saying my quick voting was bad in this instance

I mean, don't misunderstand, I'd say 95% of the time it's no good to vote fast in lylo, buuut, sometimes there's nothing to talk about/do/go over between players and it's just a matter of voting based on what each individual player has assessed now that it is end-game

I mean, I do think through things a dozen times in a million different ways and go over and over and over the points before making decisions

it's not like I just throw my vote out there not caring or realizing what I'm doing

[drealmerz7]

Man, it sure is super complex and deep to instavote in a 3 person lylo. We just don't understand Dreal's super strategic mind. MASTER OF PUPPETS, MOTHERFUCKERS

and all you do is shittalk instead of try to understand

[drealmerz7]

wowie I'm sorry dreal for not pushing Persivul, I get anxiety and panic when someone quickvotes me in a 3-way lylo and acts for the whole game they don't even want me to talk because they think all the words I say are anti-town rubbish.

every single time I try to get you to explain why you think what you think, you don't

sounds like you're talking out of your ass, over and over and over

[drealmerz7]

DID YOU READ WHAT I SAID, GREY?

CAN YOU COMPREHEND IT??????? DOES IT COMPUTE???

sure, ali, you just can't explain yourself, and excuse all your shit, just like you are doing now

[drealmerz7]

like, I'd love to talk about the actual game and stuff, but no, you all just want to shit on me because I made the wrong choice and you can't understand (or care to understand) how that happened

that's YOU not being able to accept the full picture

[drealmerz7]

Dreal literally everyone else agrees you're wrong. Accept it.

I'll totally agree I was wrong if ali tells me what they were going to say to convince me to vote pers

[drealmerz7]

sure it does, if you want to convince me that what I did was as horrible as you're all making it out to be

show me why, showing me why is ali/keyen saying "I would have said this"

this is what post-game discussion is, not yelling at each other, but discussing how things went/could have gone and talking over it all

[drealmerz7]

and the lame-ass excuse of "I was pressured because you voted me" is just...bad...you should have what you're going to say in your head and it should be no sweat to just say "hey, vote pers cause:..."

I don't think he actually had anything and is just making a scene now to cover for that. relieved to put the blame on me rather than, you know, discuss what happened

[drealmerz7]

that is sooooo short-sighted grey...I didn't single-handedly decide the fate of the game...wtf??! it's a team game...a bunch of things happened through the whole game adding up to the end

most prominently being (I think it should be anyway) that persivul played a good game

it's like you want to blame the guy in the end-zone who doesn't catch the hail-mary at the end of the game to put them over the top to win, when there've been 20 other things in the game that have influenced the outcome that actually have more meaning and were more critical points, but everyone just focuses on the dropped hail mary

[drealmerz7]

yes, that is how it works in lylo

you vote and if you vote wrong, the game is over

to categorize it as "single-handedly deciding the game" really shows you have no understanding of how the game works

dude, that is you being that way, arrogance and deaf to hearing anything that doesn't stroke your ego/make your feel validated

gtfo

[drealmerz7]

that is not logic, that is just circular words

ohmy

anyway

soo, ali, going to tell me what you were going to say>? I mean, you should have had it thought out and ready to go overNight

[drealmerz7]

exactly, unable to actually articulate any sort of reasonable argument, ever, all you can do is shit talk and ego-push and when you can't get your way doing that, you abandon

over and over and over

[drealmerz7]

I woke up with a startle in the night realizing I didn't thank clumsy, blah! (I didn't get up to do it I did decide to wait until I actually woke)

clumsy! your setup and flavor were excellent!!! I love your games, hopefully you love them too and keep making them!!!

D&D vampires, literary witches, what's next? re-animated corpses???!!!

[drealmerz7]

I really don't think there's anything iso would have said to change my mind. I thought everything over and considered all there was to consider. Again, I'm open to hearing what they would have said to try and convince me, I WANT TO HEAR IT PLEASE! I feel like that should have been the first order of business out of their mouth, start of Day, after my vote, after pers hammered, after the thread was re-unlocked, they should be screaming at me their argument, over and over, as to why pers was the person to vote and why it was a dumb vote to make (the generalization that voting fast in lylo is NOT ENOUGH, read my reasoning why, understand it, it's equivalent to having waiting as far as I see.) Still nothing to convince otherwise.

I recommend not playing with grey, really - he will self-vote as town too, he did so towards the end of 23p game that had gone on for months, when he potentially had a vig. shot to use that could have made a huge influence in the game, he just gave up because he couldn't combat the push on him, more than gave up. THAT is game-throwing shit there if anything is, and more anti wincon play, which I've seen him do more than that and here too.

lallaaa, anyway!

*breathes*

looking forward to checking out scumchat

[drealmerz7]

And actual Dreal, that's EXACTLY what it might be.

I thought a few good hard minutes about what really made the most sense, tried to "feel" you out! whatever it is, I'm looking forward to it!!!