Mini 1880: Witch Trials Mafia - Game over!

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Ego post

I'm driving home from VA now (Go Patriots!!!!!) so I'll see if I missed anything interesting when I get home

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Not voting Grey, no clue what Vecna is seeing w/r/t him on page three, his claim is town, etc.

Vecna looked town before the inventor claim for the same reason shaziro and dreal did--I had similar thoughts on the paranoia mechanic and it doesnt seem like something scum would waste time thinking critically about.

Andrius is like a carbon copy of that previous point but in reverse..."I haven't really thought about the voting mechanic because i don't plan on mislynching anyone this game lolz" was pretty scummy

I haven't decided whose Grey vote is worse, Pine or Isomorphic. There's nothing scummy about admitting that a vote he had just placed was forced.

Drealmerz and All Alone's vote felt better given the timing.

Vote: Pine

Tiebreaker goes to Pine because 45 was both hilarious and potentially accurate.

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Alright I believe you.
Personally I think if you were scum you would have cut the convo off by now, cuz I think you believed up to this point I am perfectly okay with hammering you.
Also your frustration I can relate to and reads as genuine.
VOTE: All Alone
Their vote is extremely sus on you.

pedit: Grey is not worthless town lmao.

Nah, AA and Dreal voting after Grey claimed PR with 3 votes is fine

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you aren't confirmed town tomorrow
you thinking that that is how it is, is not good

? He claimed masonizer.

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that only confirms him to 1 other towny

you don't know how masonizer works do you

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8140570

dreal, read the spoiler

educate yourself man

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are you saying scum could fake claim masonizer or...?

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the only way he is not confirmed town is if he's scum and he "masonizes" only his teammates.....

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does that sound like a thing that would happen????

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does that sound like a thing that would happen????

absolutely why wouldn't it?

lol

So it's D4, 4v3 LYLO with a full masonizer team still alive...

Like, are you fucking kidding me right now dreal?

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nah dreal isn't scum

he's just.....


special. very special.

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if he doesn't then we'll just see his role pm tomorrow

where are you going with any of this dreal

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grey has basically claimed 1-shot weak cop neighbor

move on

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everyone always brings up the eagles

what is antonio banderas, chopped liver???

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i can't ride with you guys on this one but i did happen to have this lantern laying around

be safe!

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@ shaziro the pine wagon is already pretty righteous, i don't think voting himself for the paranoia vote is scummy, and his dreal vote is wrong but it's not that wrong

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Why do you say that?

Think I explained my Pine vote pretty well, unless you're asking something else?

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Interesting that you're crediting this to Grey despite two other people having voted there.

and it isn't even close to his wagon

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you couldn't have read that post more wrong if you tried grey

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Not voting Grey, no clue what Vecna is seeing w/r/t him on page three, his claim is town, etc.

Vecna looked town before the inventor claim for the same reason shaziro and dreal did--I had similar thoughts on the paranoia mechanic and it doesnt seem like something scum would waste time thinking critically about.

Andrius is like a carbon copy of that previous point but in reverse..."I haven't really thought about the voting mechanic because i don't plan on mislynching anyone this game lolz" was pretty scummy

I haven't decided whose Grey vote is worse, Pine or Isomorphic. There's nothing scummy about admitting that a vote he had just placed was forced.

Drealmerz and All Alone's vote felt better given the timing.

Vote: Pine

Tiebreaker goes to Pine because 45 was both hilarious and potentially accurate.

the bit at the end is in reference to andrius

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{Vecna, drealmerz7, Desperado}
{Isomorphic, Andrius, Shaziro}
{shaddowez, SlySly, All Alone}
{Pine, XnadrojX}
{Persivul}

Pretty much where I'm at.

it's like you copied my paper but changed just a couple things so no one would think you're cheating

swap andrius and nadroj, put Persivul in the middle, and drop Isomoprhic down and we're right there

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nah it was an open ended question so you get partial credit for all of the correct stuff

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solid B, exactly what you'd want whilst cheating

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Andrius feels the same here as he did in strahd, and he was town there.

and andriusscum couldn't tailor his game to the 75% of the playerlist that just played with town-him because...?

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Holy shit I missed a lot.

I'll admit straight away, I didn't read past page 10, I'm about to read the last couple of pages. Reads from what I did read so far though - Grey and persivul are town, dreal and pine are probably town, don't like Iso but can't really put my finger on why right now, and xnadrojx is scum.

Also, I'm feeling a bit ignored which makes me sad.

ya man what a big failure on our part ignoring someone who hasn't been playing

fuck us, right?

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ya i imagine if we lynch 33% of the player list the game will end

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and andriusscum couldn't tailor his game to the 75% of the playerlist that just played with town-him because...?

I don't have a taste for wifom.

that isn't wifom

that's "hey i was just town in a game with all of these same people and now i'm scum, maybe i should just try to play that way again"

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like you didn't even say "i've seen andrius as town a bunch, most recently in curse of strahd, and he looks town here"

you brought up one game

that just happened

with almost all of the same players

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@ shaddowez i don't care about his self paranoia vote and his dreal push makes sense, even if he's wrong

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You can say that about almost anything townie that a person does. Play how you like, but for me, if a person behaves as I've recently seen them behaving as town, that gives them town points. It's not conclusive, but neither is it meaningless.

ya, i can

that's the whole point

you don't seem to have considered the possiblity of him being scum emulating his town game for the same player list, which is what i'm getting at

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What about his jump off of dreal onto All Alone, who has pretty much no content and looks more like a OMGUS vote than anything?

looks like a town who didn't get traction on his first push and moved on to something else

and both of AA's votes have been on the wagons du jour, one without reason (which was fine because it was after grey's half claim)

his vote on nadroj himself doesn't make any sense. it isn't scummy to offer your vote to a wagon and calling nadroj's vote on dreal opportunistic after multiple people had stated townreads on dreal is obviously nonsensical

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pine is still scum

i'm still voting him

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didn't we just talk about our reads? i'm confused

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(4) XnadrojX - Andrius, Grey, Isomorphic, All Alone

hahahaha ya this wagon is dog shit

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sorry for what grey?

as far as i can tell all of that means you are guaranteed to masonize town or die trying, which means no ~shenanigans~

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Unvote
Vote: All Alone

pine wagon is boring

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Not really interested in anything you have to say when you're handwaving me.

that's pretty much the only reasonable response to what you're saying w/r/t iso tho

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grey i can dig the town paranoia but i think it's a lot simpler...he just thinks your reason for not wanting is dead right now is really bad

because it is

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Am I the only one thinking this could just as well be a powerfull scum-role that needed some downward balancing?

no you are not

"i can't hammer anyone" is NAI

but iso is acting like it makes them town, which is scummy

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i realize you guys keep getting distracted by shiny things

but how about an all alone wagon?

the fake confidence in 746 is palpable

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why me = fry me

Let's all help this lost scumlord find his way to the dead thread.

*barf*

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my wincon isn't to voice my irrelevant opinion on every little thing that happens

my wincon is to kill scum

guys

seriously

we need to kill this

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Unvote
Vote: All Alone

pine wagon is boring

????

Apologies, missed that vote. Will be updated in next votecount, coming soon^tm

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@ AA those are analysis

you posted scummy things, i quoted then and made sure everyone knows I found them scummy

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there is hardly any difference between what I'm doing with you and what you're doing with ISO.

you specifically said that no one cares about your irrelevant opinion on every little thing, which is what most people would call analysis or content

so...???

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eh, vecna's done some stuff

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of course i remember it

we're both capable of isoing him

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does princess need her hand held?

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dreal, if you were to vote yourself right now, and then move it onto Person B, your Paranoia vote would be on Person B. It goes to the first person you vote that hasn't been voted yet.

So if im reading this correctly we can bypass the mechanic by having one person vote everyone?

Also hi everyone

critical thinking about paranoia mechanic is town

^ This smells forced and like weird reasoning for a vote

^ caught scum on page 3

CAUGHT SCUM ON PAGE 3

VOTE: Grey

breaking rvs is town

-Grey- - Doesnt matter untill tomorrow
Pine - No idea, post more
drealmerz7 - town
Andrius - No idea, post more
Isomorphic (keyenpeydee + Alisae) - Could go either way
SlySly - Probably scum, post more
Shaziro - Scum
shaddowez - is this in the game?
XnadrojX - Probably also scum
Persivul - No idea yet, post more
Desparado - Scum
All Alone - is this in the game?
Vecna - Needs more mechanic-shit to solve this game, please

scorched earth policy is town

Ive contradicted myself and went ahead and read some of your scum-games Shaziro. Either your scum-game has vastly improved or maybe youre not the eloquent scum-messiah I mightve eluded to.

And yes, I am prodding you with false statements.

You have passed my little test. For now.

transparent scumhunting is town

Oh shit got hammered. Amazing self-vote. Much fighting spirit.

Lame.

pretty town

Allraedy preparing for that lylo huh? Better just nightkill me because even with a month of preparation ill wipe the floor with you.

100% town, i almost never see stuff like this from scum

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All this bullshit slinging shade

ok seriously

whose dick do i need to suck to make this phrase go away?

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the entire game of mafia is built on "throwing shade" on one another. it is literally the only way the game moves forward.

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No, it's not.

It's sad that you think it is.

if you can explain the difference between "throwing shade" and "leveling an accusation" i'll concede the point

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you should stop talking about ongoing games

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I didn't make any substantive remarks about them.

you're still trying to ascertain his alignment by referencing other games

so...don't do that

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especially when there's evidence in this game that supports your argument

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think that's a bad vote there shaziro

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maybe i'm just a big dummy but i'm not getting it

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+ the first thing he was engaged with was that several players had already claimed

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yawn

you keep saying that

and it keeps not being a thing that's happening

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shaddoweh's question is bad because the answer is obvious for anyone who actually read the context of what happened

answering it is meant to expose that

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Would someone please be kind enough to give me a brief summary of the game so far and the leading wagons?

Sure.
I am a pretty princess.
Grey claimed Masonizer.
Iso claimed Priest, who can't hammer anyone at L-1 because of FAITH and HOLINESS etc etc.

Do you want my claim as well?

Sure.
I am a pretty princess.
Grey claimed Masonizer.
Iso claimed Priest, who can't hammer anyone at L-1 because of FAITH and HOLINESS etc etc.

Vecna - claims Carpenter (maker of stakes) post 54, adds to claim "first aid kit" post 590
Shaziro - claims Tailor post 55, adds psychologist post 718
-Grey- - claims PR post 83, goes farther to Masonizer post 91, even further to Union Organizer post 97, further MACHO post 603, adds Stubborn in post 614.
Persivul - light claims PR post 84
Andrius - light claims PR post 821

No. We're not massclaiming.
You no longer have a wagon on you and I am very interested to see what you do.

Grey couldn't handle the pressure of a few votes on page 4 and claimed Masonizer.
Iso claimed Priest and self-hammered to prove it. So that's somewhat confirmed.
I'm just claiming pretty princess and dropping breadcrumbs all over.


pedit: Right, thanks Sly. Forgot about those.

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That still doesn't explain town motive. If that many people have already claimed, why offer yours? Why give scum the knowledge to choose the best NK option?

"Hey guys, a possible mason, a miller, and a N3-Vig all claimed....should I tell them I'm a jailkeeper?"

I know that was an overdramatization, but how does that make any sense?

there's no need for a hypothetical when we can just look at what actually happened

- alpha replaces in
- andrius tells him two people have already claimed
- alpha asks if he should claim too
- andrius says no, we aren't mass claiming
- alpha says ok cool, i saw my slot was getting wagoned and wasn't sure

there is literally nothing scummy about this and you're stretching it way past reasonable

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that vote count makes me want to light myself on fire

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makes sense

{shaddowez, androj, isomorphic, slysly} is my lynch pool today

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Right, less My Little Pony, more me being awesome at catching scum plots in advance. I don't mind being first vote on a wagon either. Given the SK-Commuter that just flipped, what are we thinking Mafia numbers are? Duo?

ya, classic 10v2v1 i reckon

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vote: isomorphic

they stink of gasoline

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dreal is right that sly's attitude is anti town and shouldn't be tolerated or acceptable, but i don't think it's a scum tactic

ali egging the two of them on is p. scummy tho

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if shaddowez ends up happening i have my oar all shined and ready to go

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what are you liking about ali, andrius?

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you're one of the biggest cheaters in the entirety of the game ever?!

you're dead to me

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dreamlz - if -grey- dies tonight, dreamlz is scum

you make a lot of really horrible posts but this might be the worst one yet
do you really not see any issues with making a declaration like this (not even talking about having the thought, I'm talking about making the declaration)

I could totally vote isomorphic just for page 12, but I'll catch up first

well that certainly is all you need to say

VOTE: isomorphic

he was pretty townie in largenormal 200 too, as a PR, so I am wondering what is up with him but it could be just playing guarded, as he was a bit guarded in early 200 if I remember correctly

I find vecna, isomo, and grey to have a lot more scummy content

VOTE: isomorphic

whoooooo so many things!!!

I actually almost voted them at the start of the Day because I've found them pretty scummy for most of the game, blatant stuff like that early self-vote, the hard defending of grey who they were "so sure was town!" who was being soooo fucking scummy, it looks likely they were trying to gain an ally against me in him

that exchange with shaziro about his "walls" and there was just a ton of bullshit ISO was spewing with shaz-exchange

stuff like :

Oh look, more bullshit, shaddowez literally never voted Grey.

ffs I misread his Pine vote and thought it was on grey.

seems like just a way to excuse a shitread that they got called on

tbh all I remember is getting into a fight with Shaziro and then having a huuuuuuuuuge wagon on me.

here they're not even willing to get into that they just want it dropped and in the past and to never be content because they know how much their side of it STINKS

they've also switched to signing because I think they've realized it helps their scum-game because it helps sew doubt on ppls reads (one of the main reasons I hate hydras is the dissonance that is accepted by a lot of players from them, when to me it is absolutely ludicrous to allow 2 contradicting reads from 1 slot - any other single-player gets lynched for that shit, hydras get a pass, it's fucked and they are using it to their advantage rather than playing it straight - extreme scummy)

horrible posts like this

Yeah we're a messed up couple hehe.
BTW if people are TRing Persivul, why?

Last time I checked his reads seemed really shallow.

and going through their ISO more, they barely are putting down ANY READS AT ALL - just tons of empty votes with weaksauce shit - like seriously 90% of their posts are useless

also, there was a SUDDEN shift of attitude towards me from both ISO and slysly - like it is a scum-agenda to discredit me (ya know, cause I called grey scum from the beginning and was right so they're worried I know wtf I'm doing a bit?)

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I don't know exactly what it is about it but dreal's sudden shift to ISO has me seeing blood red.

did you not see my post dreal's progression?

there's nothing sudden about it at all

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unvote
vote: shaddowez

L-1

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put me down for option b

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ps what town read? the only time i'm in your iso is in a POE scum list

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makes sense

{shaddowez, androj, isomorphic, slysly} is my lynch pool today

also not really seeing what's so horrifying about this scum pool fypov

unless you're 100% confident in your slysly townread, which would be pretty outrageous

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I'm willing to say that Sly and XnadrojX are both town for now, though it's possible I'm wrong.

oh wait, nope

so...what's the problem again?

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unless you're 100% confident in your slysly townread, which would be pretty outrageous

Unless you want me to completely out my role and results, all I'm going to say is I have reason to believe he's not scum. And not caring about what other players have to say, whether they're town or scum, is blatantly anti-town. Scum posts still give information, so if you're not going to bother reading or understanding, you do nothing to help the game.

And if you notice, i haven't exactly given town reads of many people. Not generally how I play.

Oh wait, you don't care about my posts, so you haven't noticed that.

given everything that's occurred between sly and dreal this is pretty hilarious

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@ shaddowez it appears you were using your role offensively to block the nightkill

so why didn't you jail andrius n1?

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or isomorphic?

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you know, your scumreads

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unvote
vote: isomorphic

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shaziro, if you can explain why you didn't feel the need to analyze the claim at all could you do that?

if not it's cool

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Even if it is a scum aligned JK, I wouldn't want to lynch it now. Much rather wait a day or two later to kill it off after a massclaim if it's still around (this would be the day before mylo/lylo)
Either way, I wanna lynch Desperado or Drealmerz.
Desperado's hop onto Shaddowez and then back onto me is disgusting.
Drealmerz I stated my problems with that slot earlier.

Thoughts?
-Ali

what hop?

i said i would vote shaddowez if it became a thing that was happening

it became a thing that was happening

shaddowez towntold when i pressed them on their JK choices

and now we're here

???

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ya, isomorphic is scum

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last i checked thinkbig flipped seer, not cop

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there are other things books, candles, and viles can be used for

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hmmmmmmmm let me check

Even if it is a scum aligned JK, I wouldn't want to lynch it now. Much rather wait a day or two later to kill it off after a massclaim if it's still around (this would be the day before mylo/lylo)
Either way, I wanna lynch Desperado or Drealmerz.
Desperado's hop onto Shaddowez and then back onto me is disgusting.
Drealmerz I stated my problems with that slot earlier.

Thoughts?
-Ali

what hop?

i said i would vote shaddowez if it became a thing that was happening

it became a thing that was happening

shaddowez towntold when i pressed them on their JK choices

and now we're here

???

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I'm the town X-shot Watchman. I came across a bunch of strange books and viles on my rounds and after some trial and error I can now can "see without sight."

I still have shots left but no results yet.

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@ Persivul how could it have been "buried" when multiple people interacted with ThinkBig regarding his report?

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I'm just having a hard time believing anyone missed ThinkBigs report. It was literally the last thing that was posted before the lynch scene. ISO and Jordan having this sudden epiphany that his report makes me scum feels fake as shit.

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...goddamnit is desp actually scum? Fucking hell. Waiting on vc because I don't want to hammer

You as well...You're the one who told ThinkBig to ask the mod if he could reproduce the dream in full first! Why are you just now wrestling with what his report meant w/r/t my alignment?

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how do you have no flavor when thinkbig flipped flavor cop basically

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...goddamnit is desp actually scum? Fucking hell. Waiting on vc because I don't want to hammer

then what is this?

you've just decided i'm scum because iso and jordan ~magically~ just found the report?

i don't get it

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is that seriously how you play games?

1) we won that game
2) i didn't lynch you FOR the claim
3) why are we even talking about this

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and there's plenty of synergy with a JK, IC, and watcher

why can't we both be town?

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I caAli, I have no results. That's all I'm going to say about it.

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Hmmm got cut off somehow

I can see what you wrote, Shaziro. It isn't really helping me understand your thought process.

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beats me

clumsy didn't even give shaddowez flavor so flavor speccing is pretty stupid

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Your target explanations made sense from a town perspective, didn't sound like scum reaching to justify their targets.

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I'm working on a post, heading home now. Will try to get it done tonight, but likely tomorrow.

I really don't like Desperado's hesitation to give complete details about his results at this point

How can I give details in something that doesn't exist? I do the have any results.

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I don't have any words I haven't already written. Think was a flavor cop so I have no clue what Sly means when he says I twisted his role.

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Vengekill: Shaddowez

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say goodnight for good, andrius

you're coming with me too hahahahahaha

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sooooooooooo close to talking my way out of that guilty

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You seriously expect me to believe there's a VENGEKILL in a game with a VIG and SK and Mafia?
lolwut

i dont lie about shit, bro

shaddowez is deaddeaddead

and you're next

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ok well it's happening

so strap in

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Excellent work Pers, you rocked.

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you had the whole game bro