Mini 1889: Greatest Idea Mafia (Endgame!)

[Keyser Söze]

What is your read of Grey outside of 'Grey vs RC interactions'?

[Keyser Söze]

I think he could be scum

Do you think any of these points are alignment-indicative?:

Keyser idc what alignment you are if you're not scum with Grey you know full well that you're voting with me.

Not lynching Grey today.

- I see t/motivation in his Mass Redirector fake-claim gambit to scare off NK's
- his playstyle and paranoia is consistent with the 'town'-Grey I know
- I understand why he refuses to disclose which bulletproof power card he chose
- I think 'scum' would see him as a threat and want to lynch him during the DAY
- Drixx has claimed Town Cop and said that Grey is NOT mafia (N1 investigation)
- I understand why Grey is frustrated/scum-reading me for not using my vote during the day
- I understand why Grey would be suspicious of Drixx visiting him N1

- I like the role cards he claimed (unique town card) which he claimed early, he did not stall.

I can't see him as group-scum this game. His posting has alienated himself from everyone (even from the ones town reading him, no attempts to buddy).
Drixx said Grey wasn't Mafia too, so that buys them each at least one more day.

Grey is therefore TOWN or SINGLE scum for me. I'm banking on TOWN for now.


Tell me by way of summary, why he "could be scum"?

[Keyser Söze]

tb is obvscum
sees a 1v1 and jumps up and says 'OH SHIT WE SHOULD GET RID OF BOTH SCUM' and immediately claims to have a nightkill
it doesn't take a genius

also keyser is probably scum because I don't think town!Keyser would ever discredit me so readily but

Yes, I did want ThingBig to explain why he has ruled out TvT.


Not "discrediting" - I want clarity on your claimed cards (they do not co-relate to your D2 reaction / behaviour.)

Please also show me how Wraith, massive and I are all 'probable scum'.

I usually have a solid read on you by D2 but I have no faith in your claims or reads right now.

[Keyser Söze]

Grey if we lynch RC I'm bloodsucking you tonight IDC what vigi does.

Regardless of flip?

[Keyser Söze]

Relax.
We have 6 days to deadline.
No one is being quick-lynched
None of you seem to be able to handle being voted or scum-read.
The replacements will require a full catch up.
No more meltdowns.
No more lining up kills.
One lynch at a time.

[Keyser Söze]

I will now start actively VOTING (as more than 1 town/my town reads are reading it as scum-alignment indicative)

[Keyser Söze]

[For this game] Remove the antagonizing element to your pressure.

[Keyser Söze]

Yes, and RC should never had said that to you.
That was disgusting.

[Keyser Söze]

@momo

What card did your slot use as your alignment card?

What alignment is the card your slot used for your power role?

@Lil Uzi Vert

What alignment is the card you used for your power role?

@ThinkBig

What is the role card you used for your power?




[No more stalling and changing card claims. This should have all been confirmed in the first couple pages.]

[Keyser Söze]

Not sure what you mean here.

Ask JerryArr to confirm with you:

1) What role-card PimHel used for your alignment.

2) What role-card PimHel used for your power.

[Keyser Söze]

Thanks.

Note: 2 unique card roles claimed.

[Keyser Söze]

I just replaced me. Someone fill me in on what has happened.

Do you have knowledge/information that contradicts any of these claims/night movements:

ALIVE

Wraith:

Survivor Mason

- Underdog - Town power?
WhemeStar:

Vanilla Townie

- FBI Agent - Alien Bloodsucker
-Grey-:

Conspiracy Theorist

- Cop Lover - Bulletproof?
massive:

Mafia One-shot Governor

- One-shot Paranoid Gun Owner - Roleblocker? [N1: Blocked RadiantCowbells]
Drixx:

One-shot Unlynchable Townie

- Retired Marine - Cop [N1: -Grey- NOT GUILTY]
ThinkBig:

Wereparrot

- Bodyguard - Vigilante [N1: Did not target]

momo:

Hider

- ? - ?

Keyser Söze:

Mafia Fruit Vendor

- Vanilla Townie - Scum power?
Lil Uzi Vert:

Black Goo

- Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie - ?

DEAD

Transcend:

Nurse

- Bulletproof Townie - Bloodhound
boring:

Alpha Werewolf

- Conspiracy Theorist - Tracker [N1: Drixx visited -Grey-]

Srceenplay:

Cult One-shot Goomaker

- Lyncher
ɀefiend:

Lover

- Jester - One-shot Dayvig

[Keyser Söze]

Can you explain the dashes and setup to me

Get the mod to confirm with you the three cards RC was given.

Only tell us the card he used for alignment first.

[Keyser Söze]

Everyone who has fakeclaimed / stalled.

Part of my suspicion on RC was the contradiction between his fakeclaim and his D2 reactions. He did back track his Supersaint claim, which could now explain that contradiction.

You do not need to confirm your 'power' card (yet).
LUV doesn't need to FULL roleclaim either (yet)

[Keyser Söze]

Hold the fucking phone, TB is town.

PimHel claimed Bodyguard as their alignment card pretty damned fast and it's unique.

Yes, I wouldn't lynch ThinkBig today (two unique roles claimed).

They didn't submit a NK N1, but I presume that is because PimHel was literally not online for a week.

[Keyser Söze]

I think they should both no NK tonight.

Let's see how many scum have a factional NK.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser, how many alignment cards were still unclaimed when alban claimed his?

I didn't timestamp the claims (I usually do this, sorry)

[Keyser Söze]

Take ThinkBig off L-1 for now.

[Keyser Söze]

Are you t/reading LUV?

[Keyser Söze]

I'm not t/reading LUV.
I have a feeling he knows who is town and who isn't (AKA who is not in his scum faction).
Part of his play feels like periphery scum-play too.
His unique alignment role card claim is his saving grace.
If his scum reads flip scum I'd feel less paranoid of him.

[Keyser Söze]

Yes.

But I can't be lynched today.

Thus, the only way I'm leaving this game is through a scum NK, vig kill or tree-stump.

[Keyser Söze]

Was no lynch an option?

[Keyser Söze]

The deciding factor about Whemstar is basically:

'Did Whemstar show enough town-motivation in tree-stumping boring'?

On paper the answer is no (anti town action) - and anti-town actions are usually judged as scummy on mafiascum so both town and scum will be pushing this over the line IMO.

[Keyser Söze]

Why would you advertise that you can't be lynched instead of let us try and fail, sending the game straight to night?

So that scum can decide what to do with me.
I feel we needed a flip today.

[Keyser Söze]

- I can't pin anything scummy on Lil Uzi Vert (yet). He's played the peace-maker, making players challenge their own reads. For some reason, I still can't reward him with a strong town read though. I think he'll be hard to lynch this game.

This looks more like a goal than a read.

Yes.
An honest goal.
I did not/do not trust LUV (right now).

[Keyser Söze]

Yes, I have believed Wraith's Underdog counter claim since D1. I can't see scum outright counter-claiming that power, Wraith was safe - why put yourself in a 1v1?

Drixx will be inevitably sorted at night (what we do know is that you are very unlikely Mafia.)

Mafia wouldn't give a fake-clear on a fellow Mafia teammate (if you flipped mafia, Drixx would have been f****d).

[Keyser Söze]

Yes, I have believed Wraith's Underdog counter claim since D1. I can't see scum outright counter-claiming that power, Wraith was safe - why put yourself in a 1v1?

Drixx will be inevitably sorted at night (what we do know is that you are very unlikely Mafia.)

Mafia wouldn't give a fake-clear on a fellow Mafia teammate (if you flipped mafia, Drixx would have been f****d).

[Keyser Söze]

I never lynch unconfirmed cops.

Drixx is at best a D3 lynch.

[Keyser Söze]

Your paranoia on Drixx's stalling and my no-voting play is rational, but your scum-team theory is wrong.

Moreover, do not become over-excited with your 'pre-flip scum association theory' ("I've nailed you guys.") I don't want this to become a Keyser vs Grey show for the rest of D2.




We are not lining up kills.
Town have bad reads and shouldn't be lynched off the back of them.

Can we stop creating these 'lynch player X or me scenarios'.
It is anti-town.
Scum will likely support them too.


'Player X flipped TOWN, so let's reflex-lynch Player Z, chooo chooo"

[Keyser Söze]

You don't think the safe play is to revisit Drixx D3?

[Keyser Söze]

"His buddy"
You are doing it again.

[Keyser Söze]

@momo

What card did your slot use as your alignment card?

What alignment is the card your slot used for your power role?

@Lil Uzi Vert

What alignment is the card you used for your power role?




[No more stalling and changing card claims. This should have all been confirmed in the first couple pages.]

@momo

@Lil Uzi Vert

[Keyser Söze]

I.e 'Not town'
Should have confirmed earlier.

[Keyser Söze]

Wraith and LUV, full claim time.

No voting. Two scum factions still alive.

[Keyser Söze]

I hardclaim not supersaint.

My role is supersaint.

@momo - you have 1 more chance to roleclaim.
What are your three role cards?

[Keyser Söze]

He also said he used doctor as his alignment card...

[Keyser Söze]

One-shot Townie (If alive at the start of Day 2, turns into a Survivor)...

So you're a survivor now?

[Keyser Söze]

Not "Duh", I was highlighting the contradiction of that slot's continuous ever-evolving claims.

Even if we lynch a probable-survivor, groupscum factions will win (who have night kill ability).


momo/Drixx ideally should have been the NK's last night.


@Grey - unvote, otherwise I will take that as a scumclaim.

[Keyser Söze]

@Grey
There are two NK-ability scum factions.
momo's slot is scum... we can't trust 100% what he says, but he is scum.
Town is likely me + at least TWO other slots.
If you are town, play pro-town TODAY.

Unvote and let's work through the information infront of us.

THEN, you can jump in head first.

ALIVE

Unconfirmed:
Wraith:

Survivor Mason

- Underdog - One-shot Gladiator
-Grey-:

Conspiracy Theorist

- Cop Lover - Bulletproof?
Drixx:

One-shot Unlynchable Townie

- Retired Marine - Cop [N1: -Grey- NOT GUILTY, N2: NO RESULT]
Keyser Söze:

Mafia Fruit Vendor

- Vanilla Townie - Alien One-shot Unlynchable
Lil Uzi Vert:

Black Goo

- Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie - One-Shot Governor

Scum:
momo:

Hider

- One-shot Townie - Supersaint

DEAD

Town:
Transcend:

Nurse

- Bulletproof Townie - Bloodhound
Skybird :

Alpha Werewolf

- Conspiracy Theorist - Tracker [N1: Drixx visited -Grey-]
ThinkBig:

Wereparrot

- Bodyguard - Vigilante [N1: Did not target]
massive:

Mafia One-shot Governor

- One-shot Paranoid Gun Owner - Roleblocker? [N1: Blocked RadiantCowbells]
WhemeStar:

Vanilla Townie

- FBI Agent - Alien Bloodsucker

Scum:
Srceenplay:

Cult One-shot Goomaker

- Lyncher
ɀefiend:

Lover

- Jester - One-shot Dayvig

[Keyser Söze]

2 scum faction kills N2.
No factional kills from scum N1.
We must thus return back to RC/momo (roleblocked N1) and Drixx (visited Grey N1).

[Keyser Söze]

Anyone have ideas how town/scum would/should use One-Shot Governor at MYLO/LYLO?

[Keyser Söze]

Any.

Which alignment card?

[Keyser Söze]

Will be on later.

massive sort of got lost in the shuffle yesterday but I can buy him role blocking Drixx due to 1684.

I do not view post #1684 as a clear indication of massive's suspicion on Drixx.


If we have two scum factions with NK ability - e.g werewolves and mafia - I can buy into the werewolves not killing Drixx (he is no threat to them). However, if Drixx was blocked, we have to presume there is a Mafia Roleblocker (I don't think other-scum would waste their block on a Town Cop, who can only investigate mafia).


I liked Wraith working through all the possible theories.

I DON'T like Lil Uzi Vert going 'yeah Drixx was blocked, I can totally buy that. Drix is town.' LUV being won over by massive's post 1684 feels forced.

(inb4 scumteam is Drixx & Keyser)

@Grey - have you ditched this theory?

Or solidly focused only on keyser-LUV-momo:

Scum is you, LUV, and Momo.

I can understand momo.

What are you thoughts on LUV?

[Keyser Söze]

I didn't say I think Drixx was town.

Good.

I want to hear from confirmed town right now in Sky. I have this strange feeling that whoever she would cast a vote for in this situation,

is who I should be voting for

.

Nope, we're not playing follow the confirmed townie.
Their motivation is unquestionably 100% town, but their reads are no more accurate than another townie (plus, Skybird has just replaced in, while you have been playing from the start...)



I'm suprised by your comment, seeing as you previously said...

Scum can still subtly manipulate and influence her.

[Keyser Söze]

Guys I am town.

You are scum.
You even claimed scum.
RC made contradictions through-out D1/D2.
We could not trust him.
We unfortunately cannot trust you or make a deal with you either because you could still be lying about your claimed cards to survive.
The only thing you can do now is help hunt other/group-scum.

[Keyser Söze]

The thing is, Keyser does not want me to be lynched because when I flip town, he will look bad.

You flipping green went from a 15% chance to 0% based on your slot's last few posts.
I need to find the ("AT LEAST TWO OTHER TOWNIES") by close of play D3.
You are NOT one of those 2 townies.
Your lynch will be a scum-lynch but we need to find out if it is the best lynch for D3 (i.e will the game end even if we lynch confirmed scum today).
Thus, we are in no rush to quick-lynch you.

[Keyser Söze]

Actually I think we can still win or draw if I'm today's lynch.

[Keyser Söze]

I think it's 3:1:1:1 going into N3.

Even if scum don't cross kill D4 will be 1:1:1:1.

But this is presuming the RC slot actually is survivor and not groupscum.

[Keyser Söze]

If Lil Uzi Vert is scum, he's fucked up not waiting to use his 1-shot Governer til tomorrow.

[Keyser Söze]

LUV, why have you been quiet/unreachable/stalling all game and only

now

trying to dictate who we lynch/not lynch?

Did you think your 1-shot governer power would make you untouchable or universally town read?

[Keyser Söze]

You attempting to paint that as scummy is low.

Not "attempting", I am calling your behaviour out: saying you haven't been pro-town this game.
Do you deny being any of these: "quiet/unreachable/stalling"? Add evasive to this list too. If you were a Town Bloodhound or Innocent child I'd understand, but 1-shot governer don't cut it.

[Keyser Söze]

NOTE: does Wraith not using his 1-shot gladiator lastnight, town/null/scum indicative?

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Momo

You are willing to vote him first, but are you willing to hammer him?

[Keyser Söze]

momo, you were discrediting/miss-repping me earlier. Would you vote me?

[Keyser Söze]

I'm not hammering momo.
I'd rather you lynch me/no lynch than me hammer momo.


We need the scum to cross fire tonight, and not lose any town today.


P.edit - I presumed it skips to night.
Thus everyone should unvote for now.
11 days .

[Keyser Söze]

Momo is scum. That is a fact.
But I feel like NK-ability scum would prefer his lynch over mine.

[Keyser Söze]

One reason why Grey is unlikely SK/single NK scum - surely he would have killed N1?

[Keyser Söze]

@JerryArr

Does a supersaint hammer bypass unlynchable and governor ?

Do we skip to night phase if a 1 shot unlynchable is hammered?

[Keyser Söze]

One way or another I

strongly

argue against letting any claimed Unlynchable player into LyLo with their power intact.

This.

[Keyser Söze]

Basically we must not lose a townie today.

I think the protown play is to lynch me (to remove WIFOM from LYLO)

If we let Momo live, our destiny is in his hands (as Wraith said)
He can choose whether to win with town or win with scum.

[Keyser Söze]

Apparently there's a mafia roleblocker...

Would you still get your gladiator in if your are NK'd?

[Keyser Söze]

Re: Mafia roleblocker

Mafia should have killed Drixx (town cop) last night.
I am not buying that massive blocked Drixx.

[Keyser Söze]

It will kill me.
Have I miss-read?

[Keyser Söze]

No townie must die today.

If you think LUV and Drixx are town they can't hammer Momo either.

(I'd want either to hammer personally)


The protown play is to lynch me.

[Keyser Söze]

I bet all the people who have stalled on their claims this game are scum.

[Keyser Söze]

The one thing to worry about is Scum!Keyser.

The only thing to worry about is why mafia let a town cop live...
...also why was he visiting Grey N1?
...also why did he want to get onto the Momo wagon first instead of supporting the keyser lynch?

[Keyser Söze]

I say we take out Drixx today and Keyser tomorrow.

What's your read on LUV?

Do you even scum read me still?

[Keyser Söze]

Grey, you are the player least likely to have NK ability.
Why should YOU hammer?

[Keyser Söze]

I'd rather we lynch me, then you hammer a possible

Survivor supersaint
Mafia supersaint
Werewolf supersaint



Tell me how two deaths helps us.

[Keyser Söze]

We need a NK ability scum to hammer him.

If you hammer him we are down to two townies tonight (bulletproof dead).

Game over.

Does anyone disagree?

Or am I taking crazy pills.

[Keyser Söze]

We need to ensure there is a tomorrow first.
Lynch me.
We need to keep the bulletproof townie alive


P.EDIT my scum reads won't hammer.

Only wraith and Grey have offered to hammer the supersaint.

[Keyser Söze]

Grey, if you hammer I replace out.



@momo - you know I'm town. You know Grey is town. You know Wraith is town. I am not hammering.

[Keyser Söze]

Momo, i'd hammer myself, not hammer you though.

[Keyser Söze]

Wraith - do you agree my lynch is the the most protown / safe option?

[Keyser Söze]

It's the safest but momo is acting so fucking scummy right now

Momo is scum - what do you expect?

[Keyser Söze]

You hammer Drixx (or LuV)
NOT the bulletproof townie.

[Keyser Söze]

Drixx.

[Keyser Söze]

I can't believe you just compared me to those evil bastards you sick twisted fucker.
Take that back now.


In regard the no voting.
Yes, I haven't voted all game, but I want us to make the right choice for town.
Letting you (the supposed bulletproof townie) hammer a possible supersaint is irresponsible.
I want us to win.
We need you alive at night.
Neither do I want a likely Underdog to hammer.

[Keyser Söze]

I will only join if LUV or Drixx hammers.

The supposed bulletproof townie must not hammer.

[Keyser Söze]

If we're lynching Momo today we need to make sure we're not butt fucked tonight by letting the BP hammer a possible supersaint

It'll be 2:1:1 going into N3 if Grey hammers a supersaint.
At least 1 NK still active. Possibly two if Momo is 3rd party.
Game over

[Keyser Söze]

If we're really going to take the BS claims into account and assume supersaint, then NO townie should hammer because we may not be in a position to afford the trade. I'm guessing -Grey- doesn't believe the Supersaint claim. I'm struggling to understand why you do.

If you think momo's claims are bullshit you hammer .
If you town read Grey don't let him hammer.
If you town read Wraith don't let him hammer.

[Keyser Söze]

Grey unvotes.
LUV turns up to place the L-1 vote...
LUV adds a "Wraith is town" random read for WIFOM?
Drixx scum reads Momo and Me but is unwilling to hammer either....
Grey will hammer now, and we lose the BP.
Game over.

Drixx/LUV should have hammered.

[Keyser Söze]

We needed scum to hammer scum,
Or keep 3 town alive for tonight.