Mini 1898 - Inception Mafia - The Hub (GAME OVER)

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GG Town.

I am sorry I slipped I am usually better than that.

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that might've helped, it was a good environment to slip in as it was.

go town for winning.
i was wrong on all of Mathblade, Hiraki, and gerry. stellar play, Chara.

how'd scum kill BTD?

Factional ability given to us halfway through the game. Pretty much if we left BTD6 alive it was no longer Mafia.

Good eyes on the slip Not Chara. I was kinda hoping you'd forget.

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I knew if I killed BTD6 it was a scum claim either way so I stalled for time arguing cop shit when I knew I was going to be checked I was just trying to eat time. The more fighting there was the harder it was to read. Then when I got caught I wanted to make sure you all knew I liked you <3

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I think if maybe I hadn't have slipped Hiraki and Gerry could have ran it tbh.

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I did the results as a last ditch effort but it was more just stalling at that point.

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I think this setup is a good example of how if the mechanics are too complicated it takes away from the game. Even if it was balanced (which would be very hard to do with a setup this complex), we were focusing too much on mechanics instead of scumhunting. I think we were right to do so, but it just made the game less fun imo.

Agreed. Honestly I think a cop in the setup broke it.

This would have been great flipless mafia otherwise. Seriously I was telling the truth about all that.

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I may mod a hardcore (flipless) VT Heaven game here soon actually. Back to roots I think would be good for MS and would rope in new people.

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I think this setup is a good example of how if the mechanics are too complicated it takes away from the game. Even if it was balanced (which would be very hard to do with a setup this complex), we were focusing too much on mechanics instead of scumhunting. I think we were right to do so, but it just made the game less fun imo.

yeah we spent a lot more time arguing about optimal strategy instead of scumhunting. it was pretty draining.

having us lose if the deadline went through also added a

lot

to the stress. feels a bit like a bandaid to give scum a chance instead of a mechanic?

I think the game was true to inception as limited time exists in dreams.

If there wasn't a cop I think people would have had to focus on hunting. Which ironically probably would mean Town loss.

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Factional ability given to us halfway through the game. Pretty much if we left BTD6 alive it was no longer Mafia.

Good eyes on the slip Not Chara. I was kinda hoping you'd forget.

i'm surprised no one else picked it up.

i'm not usually an advocate for slips but that one didn't have any other explanation. i think if you'd left it there instead of posting "but if you can, don't post it" i would have been way less confident of it even being a real (or faked) slip.

I actually came up with an idea namely that I was actually talking with EAP and context was off. It would still be a scum claim but then decided against it and let it run because by then new dream thread when I came up with the idea.

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Factional ability given to us halfway through the game. Pretty much if we left BTD6 alive it was no longer Mafia.

Good eyes on the slip Not Chara. I was kinda hoping you'd forget.

i'm surprised no one else picked it up.

i'm not usually an advocate for slips but that one didn't have any other explanation. i think if you'd left it there instead of posting "but if you can, don't post it" i would have been way less confident of it even being a real (or faked) slip.

Yeah we were talking out where to go on certain things and I just fucked up.

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I am okay with releasing scum PT FYI

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No hard feelings for trolling y'all?

You did great Not Chara Town MVP. IMHO. Your reads were wrong originally but you led Town really well.

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I agree with townsidedness. I just hope I made it fun for everyone. <3
No hard feelings Leonshade?

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I just feel bad Like if this setup wasn't broke I think I really could have taught flipless mafia well. One thing in flipless mafia you always do is mass claim. I just happened to omit that part because that wasn't scumsided this game.

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Nope NC.

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I was like escatic when I could replace in.

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i cant believe math slipped and almost got away with it lmfao

I actually slipped a few other times too but out of interest of future me not sharing But they weren't as bad as wrong PT slips.

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Mathblade: you're right. without kills there's much less reason not to massclaim.

Even with kills mass claim is standard in most flipless games I have played. Generally the claim itself gives more info than a check.

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good game everyone.

I have some notes to make after inspec about game balance and setup design. I'm sorry for an error that was in one of the role pms that I made before my ban.

tldr; Mafia could win the game if they could control the cop check by leading it to another dream or by using preception and kicking mechanics (if they coul leave one of their members in above threads) the main idea for game balance was set around that idea.

Yeah that IMHO is a problem. Infinite cop check means cop gets townread scum can do nothing about it and can infinitely check or get 4-5 conf towns. The only viable strategy was suicide and Almost50 was never not scumreading me and as Town leader fucked. In Shadowrun I could convince JaeReed to another person because of how things were setup and done and everyone was an option but here mass popularity cop meant something different. I think 1 shot cop okay limitless unkillable cop with infinite flips literally lynch all but cop GG.

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The game became follow the cop. Without the cop I think balance would be perfect.

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I loved the flavor though FA and Scout

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Layer 3 and one or two shot I think would have been much better tbh. But as written it is always follow cop all the time. I would have loved to strategize with that.

I originally thought BTD6 was full of shit with the cop claim for that infinite cop claim.

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It was still fun FA no worries.
I made my own mistakes too!

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Can we see Town and scum equivalents for all the roles?

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I am cool with it. It was fun regardless. Having modded now on MS I realize how stressful it is. Please consider it water under the bridge FMPOV and if it does get talked about further it is for future games not for any flashbacks or blame.

I got to troll. I never get to do that

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Mainly if it was level 3 he didn't have enough to get back up. So it would be suicide to get a true result. But it would be negative EV for Town as you are trading the life of a confirmed cop for the life of someone who is not confirmed and thus unlikely to make your townblock succeed.

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btw if you guys enjoyed the game mechanics or flavor, you might consider nominating it for new mechanics award or best flavor in cummies nomination thread

Flavor I might.
Mechanics honestly no. Having been in flipless games before if you run this again I would like to discuss some things

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Yep.

I think I just went off the rails at infinite cop check and wasn't watching my posts closely enough and that was a major detriment.

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can someone tell me why i was obvtown? needed for future scum games. i think it was because i was genuinely harried by the deadline and actually understood what was going on most of the time, but confirmation would be good. a lot of my reads were centered around that because of how little scumhunting (relatively) there ended up being.

Mainly the way you approached reading people and solving the game. I could tell there were things going on in your head that you didn't state outright. There were probably other things, but I'd have to look back.

PEdit: FA, the problem was that the people who were the scummiest were sent lower. So even if scum had a member that was widely townread, they'd have to sacrifice that player in order to kick.

That too. If I had been here at the start I would have Shadowrunned this hard core.

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Meh. Water bridge. I literally outed me and my scum partner. If you out 2/3rds your team ya kinda probably should lose.

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Town played well IMHO setup problems aside. Game was still fun.

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I just hope everyone had fun. If that happened this game was a success.

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Like, for instance, it's mechanically abusive towards a player to do the following:
Let them enter a dream, where they have viewership access.
Let other players decide they have to go a dream deeper, causing them to LOSE viewership access to the posts in that previous dream that they should rightfully have access to.

Does that make sense? I should, rightfully, be able to at least view all the posts up until I got put in the deeper dream. However, the only way to do this in current Mafia is to make WAY TOO MANY THREADS, A TON OF THREADS, DAMN.

B-sides, the game is far less interesting for people who weren't in the dream, which is ideally where scum want to be. In a perfect scum game, scum don't even play most the game.

Lol agreed til scum not playing

My scum clean sweeps I fucking play and control this shit

4AM math good night

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Lol so I could have lost my vig ROTFLMBO. Awesome.