DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[Commander Shepard]

I AM COMMANDER SHEPARD AND THIS IS MY FAVORITE THREAD ON THE CITADEL

I will neither confirm nor deny whether I am an alt or whether I am this math. I cannot stop assumptions however.

[Commander Shepard]

https://youtu.be/oDCCKWuW-yc

[Commander Shepard]

Please for the love of Fates/God/Science/ whatever you believe in Unvote.

You can scumread Bioware all you want but I was LITERALlY claiming since coming in.

[Commander Shepard]

https://imgur.com/a/lZtCs

To Prism

https://imgur.com/a/iryh0

What I wanted to send Prism and the mod said no



https://i.imgur.com/wbbCl2Q.png

What I sent to infinity

[Commander Shepard]

https://i.imgur.com/I8378w1.png

To Drealmerz

[Commander Shepard]

https://i.imgur.com/fsGLxqQ.png

[Commander Shepard]

Sorry they are all rush jobs I promise I am normally better.

[Commander Shepard]

what do you say to me saying:

I've been in a handful of games with you, and you've always been town

and in this game, you're totally different?

I would say A) making assumptions about me being an alt would be bad
And B) if I am this other person I am an alt for a reason and therefore trying different things.

[Commander Shepard]

....

That is seriously what I sent.

I don't know why Prism would get a different image.

[Commander Shepard]

I put up all the images I did.

[Commander Shepard]

https://i.imgur.com/fsGLxqQ.png

Mod said no to this one so I did the rush job I linked

[Commander Shepard]

I mean I could just make those public and datasniffers can confirm the date of upload and all the views.

Seriously I am not lying. That is what I sent.

[Commander Shepard]

But I don't believe in confirming myself like that and I refuse to do that myself.

[Commander Shepard]

Like in every scum game here I don't lie it is a hallmark of a scum game. I am not scum Drealmerz. If Prism didn't get anything I linked I just don't know.

[Commander Shepard]

Shit. Derp

Fuck I hate being in a hurry

[Commander Shepard]

Apparently not I can't even remember to type the right thing

Apparently I am the worst thing since sliced bread.

/only slightly sarcastic

Still Town though

[Commander Shepard]

why even share the 1 you "wanted to share but couldn't?"

fucking hell

Because I am showing you what I am doing and how I am thinking about the game.

Because if I don't demonstrate I am Town we lose.

I am showing you I crumbed before powers were known. Like I seriously don't know how to show you.

[Commander Shepard]

What do you need Drealmerz?

[Commander Shepard]

JK and ascetic maybe? *shrugs* an enabler?

I said that because I wanted to die. If I died then You and Drealmerz lived.
I was hoping someone would be dumb enough to kill me then push masons then scum obvious.

As it is what should have been two conf towns in LYLO.

[Commander Shepard]

Similar setup was in 1800 with one of the players being an enabler.

[Commander Shepard]

Sorry I was thinking about Prism

Yes I am flustered.

The idea was that after you all claimed Wraith would protect one of you two.

However if scum thought they could let the masons survive another night then you could form a townblock and catch them. I am a fruit vendor not needed in the grand scheme of things. It was to try to trick scum.

[Commander Shepard]

I was trying to draw the NK

[Commander Shepard]

Drealmerz it is almost midnight I am tired but that is the short version.

It was much more elegant in my head.

Going to bed good night:

[Commander Shepard]

if you're town and really wanted prism+me to live, it seems way too risky to ask for protection rather than just count on wraith picking the correct target, no?

No it doesn't because the wifom existed regardless.

[Commander Shepard]

and why isn't T&B voting you now if they're scum and you're not?

Ask T&B. I don't mindread.

[Commander Shepard]

AND WHYTF DID YOU ALL LYNCH INFINITY GRAAHHHHHH

he was my strongest TR

I'm SO MAD

Because he never claimed to receive the country from me and dienied my existence.

[Commander Shepard]

Apparently I am the worst thing since sliced bread.

Sliced bread wasn't bad at all!!

~A50

It is if it is wheat bread and don't like gluten.

In seriousness like Drealmerz did you talk with Prism at all?

Like I don't know of a single scum player that claims on replace in verifies that claim and then plays like I do. Like I don't know how to talk to you because you are so convinced I am scum that I could Fart my green role PM at this point and you probably would still try to lynch me.

[Commander Shepard]

Empking, can you just claim your other reports if you have them so i can stop scumreading you for your role making

no sense

, if you're town?
~Chara

One-Shot

Happy scum day.

Have a lynch.

VOTE: Empking

[Commander Shepard]

yes but I responded to the stated obviousness already, and I wouldn't even think I'd have to make that comment

so to repeat, if I'm not correct about AC+CS, then T&B comes in to the equation

I don't assume I'm correct on AC+CS, it's called talking about possibilities

and the reality of my reads, which is scumlean on T&B, that doesn't disappear when another theory is posed

potentialities

possibilities

sharing my thoughts

I'll assume you hadn't paid attention earlier, but would you be kind enough to ISO us vs Shepard?? FGS, I would buy us being scum with ANYONE but Shepard. They wanted to lynch us for the sake of it.

Also, what do you make of a THREE SHOT ROLEBLOCKER in town's hands? What was farside supposed to block??

I'm not buying Empking is Town for a bit. It's Emp + CS (but some argue it's Shaddowez, which is fine).

~A50

all I can do is scumhunt 1 at a time and give my evaluations as I see them

they expressed lynching you when you were in no real danger of being lynched, could just be a ruse, they didn't really TRY to get you lynched, and it doesn't really matter to me for how I play, I get my scumreads how I get them, words matter much less than actions when it comes to scumbud associations, as setting up history of SR a scumbud is how good scum play anyway

the way you've pushed certain players, your jump on infinity, how it seems you were trying to setup a mason lynch in lylo, and my earlier, long-lived SR on you have me having you where I do, if you like I can move you above CS and go for lynching you?

like I've said, I really don't see empking drawing the attention with the claim he did as scum, titus was going down and there's no reason to expose himself like that for a godfather role

3shot roleblock is obviously for doc, cop, fruit vendor, scumkills, and whatever else might still be out there, duh?

CS - I'm not asking you to mindread, I'm asking for you to theorize - wtf? what a shitty way to avoid giving analysis, and your reasons for voting infinity are crappy

I tried talking prism out of voting infinity but they kind of disappeared

....

I don't have any theories that explain it other than what I said. A JK and some other PRs...Wait a minute...That means Empking is likely town.

VOTE: Unvote

@Almost50 -- Why do you think that Empking is faking with a Miller and a Godfather in the setup?

VOTE: AlmostChara

[Commander Shepard]

Hey Drealmerz

I have that answer you wanted.

The cop is included as negative utility.

[Commander Shepard]

Not so.

If AC thought that Empking was a negative utility Town PR he and it wouldn't be voting Empking.

[Commander Shepard]

I think it is T&B and Almost.

I have to go fly to an urgent critical mission.

Infinity I tried seeing Empking and Shaddowez I just don't see it.

I feel with both a miller and a godfather Empking has to be Town.

Lastly
@Aristophanes VC please. I wanna see you vote for yourself.

[Commander Shepard]

I still think it is AC and T&B here everyone.

A cop would most likely exist with a miller and a godfather. The negative utility helps reinforce reads over powers which is vital for a good mafia game.

AC & T&B have ran out of people to mislynch so they're hoping you'll hop on shaddowez here.

[Commander Shepard]

It's probably because you're townreading Postie and yourself.

Too many townreads is a scum problem usually.

This is the EXACT scenario I predicted after the mason claim if the masons weren't killed. Scum wouldn't have enough scum reads.

[Commander Shepard]

I decided to alt because I was tired of being shit on because Math.

For all the games point out where I am wrong or stupid or crazy I have just as many where I am right.
Gay Mafia just ended and I replaced in and I got all the scum there. I was discounted because Pine fucked up the slot.
Mini normal that just finished -- replaced in and got 2/3rds of the scum. Last one I missed because scum intentionally did a gambit to fuck with my head.

I wanted to be able to alt to see if I could get some credibility going since alt revealing is a pretty shitty thing to do on site.

And yes I do have "shitty games" but I learn from them.

--Fine I give up I am Math but I am not replacing in as my main.

[Commander Shepard]

Alting necessitates trying different things and I tried a different posting style and then got instantly outed. :/ Fml so I tried denying what was painfully obvious so I didn't have to burn an alt. But now I fucking have to as I messed up.

[Commander Shepard]

viewtopic.php?p=9120077#p9120077

Gay Mafia Link

(Yes yes I self hammered but it was protown to do so to save a kill)

[Commander Shepard]

viewtopic.php?p=9184748#p9184748

2/3rds scum caught and Town MVP hands down.

I alted to try to have an account without that stigma that I could drop in replace solve games and boom.

[Commander Shepard]

I don't do well with subjective questions like "pour out your brain". Inevitably I answer the wrong question:

My goal with the PR was to use it to try to adjust reads and to help clarify people who waffled. I also wanted to be able to send a last will of sorts to a player who I strongly believed was Town through images. When that latter part was a no go I rushed something together as fast as I could.

My overall goal with scumhunting was to post less and take a more "deep dive" why thought like I do on replace ins. For example with Wraith flipping town for example Postie's slip (which I do believe is a slip) makes more sense. AC then comes in and starts admonishing me for it. Let me get you a sample.

[Commander Shepard]

Spoiler: Why posts

IF I vote in RVS, it is for 1 of 3 pretty much always - nolynch, myself, or the mod

voting in RVS for other players is scummy, imo, and I hate RVS generally and wish for it to not exist

I do not like how defensive this slot is of accusations.

Does anyone know if this is usual behavior for drealmerz? Or is this a potential scum defensiveness?

The underlined is the reasoning for the no lynch vote. If it's something he always does why would he be worried about it and comment on it?

Need I remind you she voted because mastina didn't but a fucking question mark.

A. QUESTION. MARK.

nancy, since you hardheartedly believe mastina puts a question mark in the beginning of her first few posts. Bring me the data to prove it.

To add to that, show me, when mastina, as scum will not use a question mark as compared to town mastina where she uses them in the beginning.

I'd love to know how you have the data to support your thesis and how you come to the conclusion that the absence of a question mark is so damning and is worthy of a vote. I can't fucking wait.

This feels a bit extreme for one vote. What made you so angry here?

This is from when I came in and asked a lot of why and emotion based questions.

[Commander Shepard]

Those I generally do outside the thread and answer them later but I was trying to let people see in my head.

[Commander Shepard]

OK, I guess I can explain now:

I claimed to bait The Wood Cutters so that I can get a read there. Looking at the players list this looks like the strongest slot as either alignment, and I wanted to make sure they're on OUR side.

The claim was precisely to bait Mastina (she knows my play better than anyone in this game), and it worked.

I would have expected Scum!Mastina to push me further. Why? Because (as Scum) she would know 100% I'm Town already, and in her experience I lie much more as Town that I do as Scum, so she would have been alerted to me being a PR and trying to chase away a NK.

Town!MAstina though (according to what I was thinking) would have to think: EITHER TPR trying to avoid the NK, OR Scum trying to avoid getting lynched/investigated. THEN she would have to try and sort me out ASAP to decide on whether I'm worthy of her protection from a lynch or if I'm well worth her vote. I didn't see her going for the much more simple deduction she did, but still, not pushing me while knowing I do lie as Town makes her Town IMHO. (If you beg to differ, save it. I've just locked my read on that slot).

Now for whoever does have a brain; faking VT as Scum in this game is the worst thing I could have every done. I'm not dumb enough to get caught in a lie on N1. I only lie -as scum- when I absolutely have to.. i.e. when it benefits me, and I can't see anything fruitful for me from claiming a VT unprompted on D1. That only leaves you between me really being a VT or a lying TPR, so if we have a Role Cop it might be a good idea for them to check us. If not, then I guess time will tell (probably when we return a guilty "of some sort" on someone or another).

~A50

I think there is at least one scum in Almost Chara and Infinity if not two.

Why would you have to think about future scumreads?

VOTE: Tea and Biscuits

What I meant was I haven't thought ahead in terms of what changes for me if Wraith flips scum.

-- Postie

You mean if Wraith flips town?

So Wraith is town Postie is scum.

Look back at these two sections of D1.

[Commander Shepard]

this would all make so much more sense if Empking was just scum, but then my ire would be at Aristophanes for sticking in a Godfather and Miller and no cop.
~Chara

nah, that is pretty great for a mod to do

shit, do we have empking's flavor somewhere?

GIVE ME MASSCLAIM WITH FLAVORS

Role already claimed Town Compulsive Independence Vendor.
I am Queen Elizabeth II.
The flavor summary is that a lot of territories ceded from Britain during her reigh. As such Aristophanes gave me a map with a list of territories/countries that left British rule and when. I am required to do the following:

Pick a player to visit.
Pick a country to give away via an emissary of my choice. I just threw a reaper on there and it looks cool.
I may send country names, flags, pictures, or get creative (I took this one a bit too far and Aristophanes had to scale this back as it's not meant as a last will)
So I gave away a country's independence to a player.

[Commander Shepard]

We are not amused, churlish woodcutter.

Her Majesty Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland Queen, Defender of the Faith, Empress of India consents to the convening of this session of Parliament, may you govern our realm well.

Sir Pine, I find posts like this to be rather enlightening. I can't believe this is the second post.

Post II I suppose.

I hope you are not Reaper scum indoctrinated sir Pine.

^^ Flavor crumb

[Commander Shepard]

VOTE: Commander Shepard
i'm not trusting my gut, this is the only thing that makes sense to me. conftown is here. you're telling me no scum are even attempting to capitalize on that?
~Chara

...as you attempt to capitalize on that...and then quickly retract

??

I can only wonder

p-edit


whoahowahowhoahoahaooaoa hold the holy fucking phone - shep is scum

elizabeth II???? IN DAYS OF YORE MAFIA?!?!?!? I THINK NOT

Dude really?

This is British Monarchy -- Queen Elizabeth the Second is one of the most famous monarchs of all time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II

In fact she's still around today.

[Commander Shepard]

I fucking love leonard cohen

Who is Leonard Cohen?

And really a SHIT TON of territories left British rule during Queen Elizabeth's reign.

You are absolutely determined to scumread me because I'm an alt and Almost Chara is taking advantage of it.

[Commander Shepard]

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE WORD YORE MEANS?

It means BEFORE 900.

We've already HAD PEOPLE WHO FLIPPED BEFORE THAT!

[Commander Shepard]

AFTER THAT*

[Commander Shepard]

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/yore?s=t

Here you go.

Scroll down to the origin of the word YORE.

Aristophanes is just being cutesy. Seriously.

[Commander Shepard]

Shepard, why is our scumpartner Postie determined to not even

consider

you for scum in mylo?
~Chara

Because Postie is going to hammer and/or "be convinced" once three people are on it.
Drealmerz is being played for a fool.

It's the EXACT same thing I have done in LYLO a fuck ton.

As scum I delay my vote as long as possible or I'm conf town and delay as long as possible.

Since I'm not delaying with my vote I am town.

Postie can say she refuses to consider all she wants but the reality is I know she'll hammer given the chance.

[Commander Shepard]

viewtopic.php?p=8111811#p8111811

Example. I HARD TOWNREAD DWLEE THEN HAMMERED.

Seriously. Saying someone is a townread isn't what makes them a townread.

Almost Chara is literally going through the EXACT scenario I predicted. I said if scum didn't kill a mason they'd not have enough people to work with because I'm obvious town. Almost Chara is ONLY pushing me because you want me. Empking, Shaddowez both of them TOWNREAD ME.

BECAUSE I'M OBVTOWN

[Commander Shepard]

good answer as to why Postie isn't on you, but you delaying your vote doesn't make you town.
still, i have to discount Postie/shaddow, at least, for scum. if Empking is town you

must

be scum.
i wish i could just trust Empking is town with Almost's confidence.
~Chara

I'm saying I AM NOT DELAYING MY VOTE MAKES ME TOWN.

You're both not even reading.

Seriously you're just pissed I caught you both day one and have ran a discrediting campaign ever since.

[Commander Shepard]

I'd also be willing to bet if it wasn't against the rules real money that Drealmerz never reviewed what I asked him to look at and is going to say I'm not doing enough.

Like seriously. These two were both scum to me then people kept saying "no no You're wrong"

Except for the fact I'm RIGHT.

Pedit: Fine.

[Commander Shepard]

Okay the 7 minutes are up. Trust me if we win this will feel like a cold broken bitter hallelujah.

It doesn't matter who someone says they townread what matters is if someone could hammer at this point in time WITHOUT Drealmerz.

Shadow is town because viewtopic.php?p=9195229#p9195229

Shadow and Empking posting thoughts really close to each other.
If they were a team together then they would have kept the conversation going while both were online to get one other person to vote me or AC.

Popping on then literally disappearing is the opposite of what a scum player would do in LYLO there when their teammate is on. You're looking for people wanting a quick hammer.

[Commander Shepard]

So Shadow Empking team wouldn't be a thing. Empking is the fucking cop. So that leaves AC + Shadow or Postie + Shadow.

Postie + Shadow hammers me. No doubt about it. That's out.
AC + Shadow is the only possible team with Shadow. This is also out because Shadow and AC because Shadow drops a vote while AC is online and then crickets.

You go by who can hammer to find potential teams. Not by who people say they townread.

If someone could win the game and then didn't that makes them not the team.

[Commander Shepard]

FUCK this re-read is painful, infinity posting too much interacting with everyone too much

fucking mylo, right, and I'd say I hate assumptive mylos if I weren't the impending NK

ok it really probably just is T&B and AC like I've been SRing them the whole game practically

HALLELUJAH!
HALLELUJAH!

Which one would you like my vote on drealmerz?

[Commander Shepard]

Shepard, rl is NAI. you don't stop being scum because something rl happened and you don't lose the ability to have personal emergencies because you have a scum role PM.
~Chara

that's what i get for being worked up.

Yes RL Emergencies happen for scum.

But then I'd expect <post RL emergency> from scum A.
Scum B then posts a shit storm because they know scum A might be watching.

However Empking didn't so that can't be a thing.

[Commander Shepard]

Drealmerz I know you hate reading but I have an open where I show EXACTLY how Lylo like this is supposed to go but then Transcend fucked it up and we lost because he didn't like the fact I was conf after he did.


viewtopic.php?p=9062620#p9062620

Look at this game.

This is how Lylos are won and lost. You are in control. We only lynch who you want.

[Commander Shepard]

fuck I need to take a break this is hurting my head

PRISM, I MISS YOU

I think we have to lynch AC today due to the infinity hammer

Then take a break. <3

I'm glad you are seeing AC + T&B but it's much more important you don't hurt yourself. It's just a game.

[Commander Shepard]

Postie stop agreeing with me on literally everything, it's making me paranoid.

~Chara
pedit: dreal, now it sounds like you're reading with the assumption we're the scumteam. who wouldn't jump off a wagon at L-1 when a cop says they have an innocent?

The main question is why the hell you pushed the COP after that.

viewtopic.php?p=9125372#p9125372

Why the hell Postie never hammered before the cop claim?

VOTE: Tea and Biscuits

Because there is a world where AC is town if and only if Empking is scum. But I don't think Empking is scum.

[Commander Shepard]

a few ppl didn't jump off, and I had to scream to get ppl to come back on to titus after that

shepard, I can't find the post, but you said somethingl ike this:

""I'm glad you two are masons too and you will see why after the game"" - tell me now please?

That was a reference to be being able to form a townblock with you guys. I was so happy I could send my message to you both. In other words I could claim in secret and pass along my reads which then got neutered by me being too creative.

[Commander Shepard]

VOTE: Unvote

Excitement got the best of me. Drealmerz is leading this.

[Commander Shepard]

you know what fucking sucks?

gut tells me shep and empking are scum, but my brain can't justify either of them

It's because you want it and your brain realizes you are conf biased.
You yourself said that the Empking claim was likely valid.

You want me SO HARD to be scum. However you KNOW it's not right. Take a break. Listen to your brain about AC + T&B. Or talk with the conf town in your world Shaddowez.

[Commander Shepard]

fucking hell

seriously

I always WANT control at mylo - to be the decider, because I think I'm a good decider

BUT FUCKING HELL I DON'T WANT PPL TO BE MAD AT ME IF I'M WRONG

it really sucks

I won't be Drealmerz. It's just a game. I actually hate the control in MYLO for this reason. I'll keep fighting sure, but I will never be mad at you for doing what you think is right. Then if you hammer me we'll need to go in depth as to why. Because right now it sounds like you are not able to articulate a case or a thought as to why but you're listening to something inside your head. Generally that is a cause to look back and see why you have that. Either it's because of some discord in your head or it's because you don't like something I'm doing but it's not because I'm scum. Take the time to figure it out. I'm town but end of the day this is a game.

[Commander Shepard]

I -for one- couldn't care less, meaning if you make a mistake and we lose I won't blame you. It's not like you're the only voter here, and there has to be another townie on our lynch that is as equally guilty as you would be. And then there's the fact that I did hammer Infinity because I was getting super bored and super annoyed by all the bad votes on him. No matter what I said it looked like the lynch of the day, so I wanted to punish the town for their bad play and get it over with.

~A50

Why would you want to punish town AS TOWN?

[Commander Shepard]

@Drealmerz -- I have a coding thing I have to get done today. I'll be on off and on. Is there anything you need immediately?

[Commander Shepard]

Yep, but anti-town =/= scum, unfortunately.

Btw is Aristo giving Emp a cop role as scum possible or is that too far-fetched

-- Postie

Cop yes because that's a useless PR in a sea of useful things for town. I don't buy it.

[Commander Shepard]

VOTE: Almost Chara

Not how conf town is supposed to work Drealmerz.

A conf town you don't vote. Demand everyone else vote there and then hammer so Day ends when Town wants.

If you ask again I will vote as Almost is a top scumread but I want to make sure we do this right.

[Commander Shepard]

that's nice

look, I understand why it is 'normally' what is done, but it makes no fucking difference here now in this circumstance

get on with it

VOTE: Almost Chara

[Commander Shepard]

Drealmerz, me and Shaddowez are on AC.

It takes 4 to lynch with 6 alive.

[Commander Shepard]

that's L-1 how about someone unvote and we hit T&B instead so we actually have a chance.
it's not like you think our partner could be anyone else.
~Chara

Isn't it a lynch?

This is a townclaim FYI AC. If Empking was scum and you town he could have hammered. So only way Empking is scum is with AC.

[Commander Shepard]

T&B confirmed not scum unless with Almost Chara.

[Commander Shepard]

I thought Empking unvoted?

[Commander Shepard]

Guess we need to wait on Aristophanes but I think AC is scum with T&B.

[Commander Shepard]

I swear not scum.

[Commander Shepard]

let's all chant "ari, ari, ari!" in unison 10 times to summon him

*hug postie*

"Ari,Ari,Ari!"

[Commander Shepard]

GG scum.

I had the right divisions namely emp/Shaddowez and AC/T&B but the cop claim made me so sure of the wrong half.

*sigh*

[Commander Shepard]

Still kinda salty that I called the scumteam and you guys lynched me and ignored my reads

BUT having wrong reads happens to me too a lot (as alisae can vouch for) and I didn't play perfectly either, I just lost motivation at the end and wasn't able to push my reads very well.

If you look I actually didn't ignore them. I tried to push it but then switched off when I rereviewed and saw how certain Drealmerz was Empking was Town so I went with the other side.