Mini 1910: Railgun Mafia [Game Over]

[Vedith]

Never fear, Vedith is here!

[Vedith]

Claims / facts?

[Vedith]

Town points if you tell me.

[Vedith]

Also... I am town.
You can remove those votes now.

[Vedith]

and im voting accountant because i think hes scum regardless

forgetting a night action the night of the killing is bullshit

Why would Scum not look for roles and kill with someone else?
GTFO, Wisdom.
You're theory is flawed.

[Vedith]

Hey Vedith, do you have a vest?

Why? Want to kill me?

[Vedith]

I see.
Do you feel it's beneficial for me to say in game if I have a vert or not though? I may even not know and have 1... who can say?

[Vedith]

Okay.
I already know I was gifted night 2.
No confirmation if u still have it.

[Vedith]

*I

[Vedith]

Cool, thanks.

Other than that, are you caught up with D3?

No?
I'm a slow reader.
Why Math though?

[Vedith]

Okay, so why is Edo Scum again, Gamma?

[Vedith]

Was Wisdom blocked night 1?

[Vedith]

Yes, by Cabd. I was blocked by Gerry.

Okay. So why did you give me/Accountant the BP over everyone else?
Did anyone claim day 2?

[Vedith]

Yeah I'm happy to remove you and Wisdom from it.
So it was me, PP or Frogger with one of those 2 as a Mason.
I know it wasn't me so.....

[Vedith]

VOTE: Math
Does this make you happy, Gerry?!

[Vedith]

If it helps I'm not Mafia.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Math
Does this make you happy, Gerry?!

Accountant is Mafia.

Yeah but Vedith isn't.

[Vedith]

God dammit Vedith. You made me go back and reread this page and rethink everything. I'm not gonna be happy if we have two of those fish flapping around.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Math
Does this make you happy, Gerry?!

Accountant is Mafia.

Yeah but Vedith isn't.

Vedith is Accountant. *glares* Die scum die.

If you're actually town then convince me to look else where!

[Vedith]

Ebwop Vedith is the accountant slot not accountant themselves just realized Accountant was permabanned so...ebwop.

Do you now believe I'm town?

[Vedith]

Can one of you please change that avatar T_T

That's really rude...

[Vedith]

Woah woah woah I'm not Scum...

[Vedith]

This is not a nice welcome, Math!
Plus I'm role cop. I'm really important. You're strong arm, that's no use to town.

[Vedith]

and im voting accountant because i think hes scum regardless

forgetting a night action the night of the killing is bullshit

Why would Scum not look for roles and kill with someone else?
GTFO, Wisdom.
You're theory is flawed.

what?

I'm town in other words.

[Vedith]

Yes

[Vedith]

Gamma might be scum still anyway.

[Vedith]

I cant be scum. I can prove it too.

[Vedith]

I plead the 5th!!!

[Vedith]

One question: why the fuck would I be okay lynching Edos as scum if it guiltied me?

You could be a terrible Scum...

[Vedith]

I would put Gamma over Wisdom right now as scum.
Wisdom is just a stubborn player who 99% of the time votes town and doesn't listen to logic.

[Vedith]

Mod told me Accountant didn't submit an action.
Maybe mod is lying!

[Vedith]

I would put Gamma over Wisdom right now as scum.
Wisdom is just a stubborn player who 99% of the time votes town and doesn't listen to logic.

What logic? Where am i wrong?

Well for a start if I was Scum surely I would have role checked every night to find good town roles.
There's your logic.

[Vedith]

Then why would i not claim role on whoever died before i claimed?
Think about it Wisdom, your logic is shit to mine.

And yes town would but accountant obviously forgot or was too lazy night 1
If I'm town theres no reason I would lie on that

If I'm Scum there would be no reason to lie on it (or my other body)

[Vedith]

I just happen to think you're mafia, and you've done nothing to disprove that.

Im mafia, gamma with the same role as me is mafia, and math who infiltrated us is also mafia?

I think at least one of you and gamma is maf. and i clearly said i'd be ok with gamma being lynched. sooooo...

I 100% agree with this.

[Vedith]

Then why would i not claim role on whoever died before i claimed?

because voyeur

Because you can't handle being wrong like every single game I am in with you.
Hey you still manage to keep it up.

[Vedith]

keep trying to discredit me

You discredit yourself.

[Vedith]

But you still think Math is mafia too

And look who isn't voting Math

[Vedith]

Nah Gerry, that doesn't make sense either. It'd be too weak for scum to have two neighborizers unless the point was to let them have two night actions and kill as well to throw off voyeur and rolecop. Even then, two neighbors seems excessive and pointless.

Vedith, can you please stop adding extra noise and change your avatar. I'm trying to help you but you're not making it easy.

I don't have any avatars

[Vedith]

Your previous one was fine. Get rid of the pokemon and stop making annoying or pointless attacks against people.

It's not pointless.
It's true. Wisdom is like this every single game.
I do think that Gamma is Scum here though who doesn't want to commit to my wagon.

In our PT he told me you were his Scum read and I called him out for having a vote on me instead of You, he instantly changed it.

And Math is breaking my heart if Scum!

[Vedith]

I think Wisdom is scum over Gamma.

[Vedith]

Why did you swap wagons yesterday, Wisdom?

[Vedith]

I don't really buy it. And Torque had you pinned as scum too.

[Vedith]

I think it would have blocked EVERYTHING.

There was a kill...

[Vedith]

I don't see how it helped us then?

[Vedith]

It just doesn't match up to me.
Surely Cabd would have confirmed what actions would be blocked before preventing the entire town from taking an action?

[Vedith]

I thought that Cabd was considered town locked.
I guess the first thing we wait for is if Edo would have been blocked or not.

Other than that I'm probably going to mainly discuss with Gamma in PT until I've read more.

[Vedith]

gamma is probably scum, so care

It's possible.

[Vedith]

I didn't realise.
For me though, the current clear list is Gerry, Edo and PP

So if Frogger can be cleared too, there's scum in Wisdom / cabd / Gamma.

Having scum in either Gamma / Wisdom makes sense for me.

Gamma disagrees and thinks that both are town purely because Math took over the spot.

I told Gamma that the reasons for Wisdom and Math in a group. This is what I think can be the scum motives

For Gamma scum
-Scum have day talk as said in the setup spec rules, so not for that exact reason
-Math can be given credibility on a Gamma flip
-Math manipulating Wisdom (or the agenda to do so)

For Wisdom scum
-Gamma's role has no further importance, and the hood was aware of his neighbour ability before the replace out (this could be argued for Wisdom, but Wisdom wasn't the one replaced out)
-Removes possibility of slipping in a PT with town (may be far fetched, but I'm keep that reasoning).
-Gives Math credibility of either a town Gamma or scum Wisdom flip

Other than that I'm not sure what other reasons Math would join a hood with a scum in.

Differences with Gamma and Wisdom concerning the thought of scum out of them two

Wisdom is arguing Gamma as scum, which means he doesn't believe that both neighbours are town. This just means a mis lynch on Gamma points directly to a Wisdom lynch. Possibly a gambit, but the risk out weighs the reward.
Gamma is pushing for a lynch outside of him and Gamma (mainly onto Edo unless his views have changed) which could be because he doesn't want to draw focus to a town Wisdom flip, where once again, would point towards him.

Before anyone asks me to explain how Gerry and Edo are both town with the BP situation - I have no idea, but Edo has a pro town role, and is claiming to confirm someone with a BP town. This stage of the game scum can't afford to have confirmed players with night immunity. This could have also been made plausible to indicate me as scum as well as town.

The reason I think Gerry is town is because of his push on Math over me and the fact that as people said, the Math wagon took a lot to lynch (Meaning it makes sense that scum weren't on the wagon).

Gamma seems to be AFK sitewide, so I'm still waiting for him to discuss further.

[Vedith]

Buddy me so they survive
Pocket me
Whatever you call it, thats the reason, and it succeded for a while

That falls under manipulating you. I've already considered that.

[Vedith]

What night 1 list?

[Vedith]

Well, it clears them from night 1 kill, but nothing else.

That's where I saw Cabd being town locked (or how I read it) I guess.

[Vedith]

Yeah but if it clears them from the n1 kill doesnt it mean they arent scum together? Who killed in that case?

Well, other argument is cabd killed and you're scum together, but that seems too obvious.

I'm not really sure though. Unless the fishermen skill can be used same night?

[Vedith]

That's my problem with scum Wisdom - He's limited his lynch pool by a lot today.

[Vedith]

However, Frogger... Why can't it be me / Edo if you think it's Edo?

[Vedith]

Ah, missed that.

[Vedith]

so if we lynch Edos and he flips scum, you shoot in {cabd/vedith} because those are the two most likely (gamma is plausible, but I think least likely).

I have a BP vest.

[Vedith]

Yup, I'm good with that.

[Vedith]

I think frog is the optimal lynch, since gamma and wisdom likely aren't lynched. It's possible for vedith slot to be maf, but I still have a weak tr there

If you town read Edo then surely I can't be scum.

[Vedith]

Should I vote frogger yet?

[Vedith]

Okay.

[Vedith]

Fake mod!

[Vedith]

I believe Frogger.

[Vedith]

If Cabd doesn't flip scum that puts Frogger as a certain scum. Otherwise if Cabd flips scum Frogger looks town.

Cabd scum still controls the night phase if lynched where it's plausible that Frogger doesn't as scum.

The only problem you lot have is if I'm scum with Edo (Psst, I'm not).

Otherwise lynching Cabd

Flip scum - Shoot Gamma
Flip town - Shoot Frogger

If Froger dies - Decide who's scum, Gamma or Wisdom
If Frogger lives - Lynch Frogger (And makes Edo the scum partner)

That's how I see it.

[Vedith]

VOTE: cabd

Yes sir!

[Vedith]

If there was 4 mafia yesterday, and Cabd is town (in your comment) then I would have been lynched over Math, surely.

There's not going to be 4 scum.

[Vedith]

What are we at vote wise?

[Vedith]

If cabd flips Scum killing Frogger is a terrible plan.

[Vedith]

Is gamma trying to save cabd here or What?

[Vedith]

In fairness it's worth noting, but it's not worth trying to details from cabd / Frogger.

[Vedith]

Who do you think Gerry's buddy is then?

[Vedith]

@Gamma

[Vedith]

RIP Gamma

[Vedith]

And you couldn't even do that right, PP

[Vedith]

Dear partner, whoever you are. I certainly hope we did enough for you. Math and I didn't really have a choice; being unable to contact you or reach out or even know who you are.

Good luck and arceusspeed.

Fake

[Vedith]

I'll hel8eve it after game, until then it's you trying to distract us and save Gamma.

[Vedith]

Believe, even

[Vedith]

Given the people reviewing it, I highly doubt what you are saying.
But we'll see.

[Vedith]

To be honest I expext it to be over with Gamma dying.

[Vedith]

I got a no result from last night?

[Vedith]

What was the reason?

[Vedith]

What was everyone's claimed actions night 1 again?

[Vedith]

Everyone alive I mean.

[Vedith]

And Math and cabd, actually.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Wisdom

Edo could have played the "I didn't give the vest in time" card.
Frogger I believe his claim 100%
PP is Mason
Gerry I town read still

So that leaves Wisdom.

[Vedith]

Gerryoat - jailed Edosurist

I saw a post that said Gerry was confirmed as jailor. Did mod tell Edo he was jailed?
Anyone know why I got a no result on Gerry?

[Vedith]

Vedith why the fuck would you check me over frog

Because I believe Frogger and I wanted to confirm if that was a slip or not from you.

[Vedith]

That sounded rude sorry but really. Wtf

I thought you were just jailor...

[Vedith]

Why couldn't cabd have made the kill and Wisdom tried to use his power on Gerry and just fail?

[Vedith]

Because torque confirmed a roleblocking action for n1

Ah okay.

[Vedith]

I still think it's Wisdom.
There makes no sense to have both him and Gamma as town.

[Vedith]

Cabd flipping scum cleared gamma tbh lol we are dumb

Why?

[Vedith]

I won't lynch Frogger, sorry.

[Vedith]

Lynching Wisdom will end it anyway.

[Vedith]

I mean, look at Wisdom changing his opinion so easily from me to Math...
When does town Wisdom ever change his opinion? He's on the same level as ABR when it comes to being stubborn.

[Vedith]

loling at vedith thinking he can read me

I've been in enough games where you have refused to listen to people.

[Vedith]

Yup, we need Edo to give PP another vest.

[Vedith]

Okay, this is what I suggest.
Encase there's some way that Gerry is scum.

We lynch Wisdom
If town, PP shoots Frogger, who protects Edo.

From any town perspective, this is the best option.

[Vedith]

gerry is not scum for a thousand reasons

Okay, great.
But if he is, this covers Edo from being killed.

Edo never confirmed if he gave PP a vest, so scum most likely shot to try the luck.
If me, PP and Edo are all protected, then we go in with 3 town.

[Vedith]

I was typing up a conspiracy theory, 4 scum post, that basically ended at this conclusion...but we'll just go with this. Because it's the weekend. And, I'm lazy.

If there were 4 scum, cabd would not have been lynched, and the last 2 would be me and Edo going by day 2.
Frogger would have been lynched and the game would have been over.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: wisdom

[Vedith]

I'll wait for Edo first.

[Vedith]

DON'T VOTE TILL WE HAVE A PLAN

We have a plan.

[Vedith]

Its frogger, we dont need plans

We've both been in enough "already won" games where it isn't already won...

[Vedith]

We can't vig vedith. So, we lynch vedith. And then we vig wisdom. If game continues we lynch frog. I'll be on frog tonight.gy

This is why I'm doubting Gerry now.
He confirmed Edo, but wants to lynch me.

[Vedith]

We can't vig vedith. So, we lynch vedith. And then we vig wisdom. If game continues we lynch frog. I'll be on frog tonight.gy

Why are we lynching Vedith?

I think Gerry is scum actually.

Lynch me
Wisdom dies from PP
Lynch Frogger
Edo is killed by Gerry.

[Vedith]

I say we stick to what we have.
But tomorrow if it's still going, we are not lynching Edo over Gerry.

[Vedith]

Ig Edo was scum PP would be dead and the whole "didn't get a chance to send vest"...

[Vedith]

*If

[Vedith]

vedith seriously

Gerry is confirmed jailkeeping and math is confirmed using misc on n1

It cant be gerry

The killer is in frogger/edos

We'll work it out tomorrow if it ends.
For now we just make sure PP and Edo are covered tonight.

[Vedith]

If you don't care, then we just lynch Wisdom.
It's called using the resource we have to ensure a win.

And to ease Wisdom's doubts of you being scum
Lynch Wisdom
Frogger protects PP
You give a vest to PP
Gerry jails you
PP shoots Frogger
I'll check you

This covers if the game doesn't end and if either you or Gerry is scum.

As you say, it doesn't matter, but lets stay on the safe side.

@Wisdom, does that help with the Edo part if it's not over?

[Vedith]

We can wait until tomorrow.
Happy birthday.

[Vedith]

If it doesn't matter, then we are agreed to go by that plan, yes?

[Vedith]

I mean, just humour me here with it.
It's a plan that covers all angles, has no difference to you lot to who we lynch.

The only difference there is, who takes the lynched as town? Wisdom or Frogger? Frankly, I don't care about peoples fame to not being lynched (Without sounding harsh over it).

It also covers us for an unlikely (but possible) situation where we don't instantly lose if it's the case.

[Vedith]

And we have to have Frogger on you, PP.
Edo vests you.
Gerry on Edo

This is the most important part.

[Vedith]

Well, if it doesn't end after your lynch and doesn't end after the night kill on him, then we have a backup.

But I agree with you, I think it will end.

[Vedith]

For anyone wondering why I want to cover every angle here and pushing so much.

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=62745

This game was confirmed as won by town, and we ended up losing because things just aren't that simple.

[Vedith]

Well, that last day was stressful
Thanks Alisae I enjoyed the small amount of time I was here.
Given the player list makes me wish I was in from the start rather than the game solving stage.

Good efforts though Scum! Given what we had to deal with

And I hope the best for you Frogger.

[Vedith]

When does town Wisdom ever change his opinion?

Hey vedith! Lessons to learn here. I do change my opinion.

Lesson taken.

[Vedith]

That's not very nice!