Mini 1922: Bondage & Discipline (Game over!)

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Vedith OMG, US!

This game has a great title. B&D

SM ohoho

Also that was a quick replace out, are you OK m9? ^

Anyway since we don't get a lot a posts, let's get talking!
Anyone have any ideas for a scum team? I'm thinking The Buldge and Verbs, 100% gut.
Would a massclaim be a bad idea? Maybe we can start out with sandard and verbose.

@Umlaut, can I count my posts like this so I don't loose track?
1/20

[Carcalilly]

BUT WE GOTTA GET THIS STARTED LIKE RN
I ain't gonna waste time, ain't gonna waste posts

I don't understand how what I do is scummy but apparently it is??
Legit tho, why??
Ehh people would've found out sooner or later so it's k

Because:

This game is 2:11 mountainous.

2/20

[Carcalilly]

P-edit: "I'm all about wasting posts?": Is that what you meant? Why now? If you waste it all and can't defend yourself later, don't think it'll stop me from wagoning ya' if I feel thats what I should do. (and that goes for everyone in this game)

Because calling scum teams is always a fun way to start. Maybe you should, you got it spot on last time.

So are you just gonna agree or are u gonna claim boi? ^

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OH DARN NO PRS LOL so yeah lets massclaim I'm a standard.
So no PRS means massclaims won't really hurt town? : OO
but buT would the scum team have at least one verbose?? for balance and stuff?

Spoiler: also im gonna leave this here for irony please dont hurt me

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3/20

lmao I'm gonna squeeze in as much as i can into my posts now

[Carcalilly]

HI PISSKOP. I almost wanted to call you just "piss" but I should ask before I do that? c:
Sorry,, ;_;

Actually, this is one of the only cases when I'm not opposed to lynching a lurker. So ye I agree
VOTE: The Bulge idk I can't get over that name, especially with the name of the game already.

I wanna be an even mix of shitposts and go getter. :')
Anyway, pisskop, your tone scares me a bit. Lets keep this fight short.

OK, the reason why I want a massclaim is 1.to know, 2.we dont know if it is AI, I just have this feeling that it is (as I explained in one of my other posts) and 3.Verbose players have a small advantage, so I guess we could try not to lynch them in equal circumstances. Like, I'd rather lynch a Standard player.

^also can I ask why or is it a personal issue? if it is then nvm

4/20

[Carcalilly]

@Dragnalus
Waste? I'm not wasting...;;
What about me isn't helpful exactly? It's just the start of the game, I'll get there.
And if u want u can policy lynch my or whatever, but at least talk to me first. <3
Sorry for being (italics)silly. Though, your point can be totally wifomed, so look out.

@Comm
OK that would be too obvious, if they're one liners.

Also can we make a middle path please
Clearly, people who burn out quick are off-putting, but I think that's ok if they actually give substance. Lurkers are more of a concern though.
However, I'm not gonna ignore everyone who avoids that. Now scum knows we're looking out for it lol.

Well, yeah, you can still push scum with those votes, Vedith, but you wouldn't be able to fight anymore. That's the part that I wanna avoid.

Alternativley, we can just quicklynch every day and the restriction won't matter. c:

[Carcalilly]

Actually, I think it's just to lower shitposts or actually meaningless posts. (like the recent one from pisskop^) It's fine to post constantly imo as long as y'all don't waste em'!
Plus, I like interacting with people. That's how you find em out.
Bulge lurkerwagon ahoy!

^And I kinda agree, they dismiss me then go on to talk about game mechanichs and plans, that any good scum wouldn't fall into.

I should wait for more people to post tho
6/20

[Carcalilly]

^Speaking of the devil!

That one post from Aubrey I really like, actually. Townread for being active, on point, and pushing the game forward.
I have a problem of being impatient and having a lot of down time, so I'd tend to respond asap, as I'm online a lot. Once I join another game to keep me occupied, maybe not so much.
Also, if it help, Vedith and I just got out of a game together (where we both killed eachother Night 1 )
I can tell that the people in this game are more serious than most so ig I gotta get my tryhard glasses on again.

So far Aub, Comm and Vedith seem OK to me.
I don't like Drag and Piss' being too big on a plan. If they don't give any more substance then that, then I'm good with calling it suspicious. Like, seeming like your working but giving no personal opinion or information. Plus, the activity divide was already kinda obvious.

[Carcalilly]

Nice OMGUS on Bins, Bulge. Why them and not me?
Also, though that post gave me a smile, don't get me wrong, it's so fluffy.

Bins why are you posting oneliners. Now I'm curious, are you verbose or somethn? So you don't burn out a whatever post: why sheep a 100% gut read? Can we just not rvs anymore

In a small response to Socrates, that makes a lot of sense, but we talked about that already. Ik there's only two pages but any other thoughts on the people who did post?

I'm gonna bring up my quicklynch gamble again. Legit. Could it actually work?

[Carcalilly]

It means we push for a lynch quickly. We have 2 irl weeks I think, but we end it quick in like a few days or a week.
It may nullify the negative effects that the post limit has on us, but it's risky, which is why it's a gamble.

^or you're bussing your scumbuddy^

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Bins
To me it feels like you low-key just disregarding that the game is up and running.
I also don't like your tone, it seems shaky but maybe that's just me.

I honestly feel the need to barf up every opinion of mine. Sorry abt long posts

Also those recent posts from drag, they seem rather Town oriented to me.

[Carcalilly]

Sorry guys. Things are coming up and I've been having a hard time recently. If worst comes to worse I'll replace out. But for now, I have trs on Aubr, Michael, and Drag.
If I'm able to play I'll try to take your guys advice and try to use my posts more efficiently. Sorry again.

[Carcalilly]

Block response incoming. Spoilers to make your lives easier. You're welcome. <3

Spoiler: In response to Aubrey

You're close to being halfway through your post limit. An informative post like this could have waited until you had something else of value to bring forward. I'm beginning to wonder if you're scum attempting to be

helpful

while trying to run up your post limit. Not to mention, you've already noted that this game is meant to limit useless posting and bring a focus to quality posts.

The thing is, in a ton of my posts I put the exact suggestion of a quicklynch at the bottom. And they were just being constantly ignored. And I'm not attempting to be helpful, I know that I actually am. My posts have brought up discussion, reads, votes, etc. and that's the purpose of them. Like, I have a decent Townread on you based on the way you responded.
Also, I'm trying not to burn them as much now. It took something to withhold from posting when I saw something I wanted to say. ;;

VOTE: Carcalilly for now.

1. Suspecting scum attempting to be "helpful" while running up their posts.
2. If you're town, and wasting posts, then you are a hindrance to the town's efforts and scum will likely keep you alive for it.
Double negatives.

I'm also highly against the quick lynch option you brought forward. If you're responsible for your posting, there will be no need to come up with a gimmick to stop the negative effects of the post limit.

If that's how you feel then I'm not opposed to yall lynching me. If it's beneficial to town then by all means go ahead, it's not like there are PRs or something.

I'm just a lil cranky about how slow this game is going.

Regarding my vote on Carcalilly, it has become this weird mix of a serious vote and a warning. Her tonal attack onto Bins lowered my suspicion a good deal. I don't agree with her, but I can see the attack coming from a town mind quicker than a scum mindset right now. I can talk more on this later if need be, but not now. The rapid burning of early posts however still has one of my eyebrows raised.

I ain't the only one with useless posts… some other posts are arguably more shitposty than mine.

*cough cough* 27 *cough*

Spoiler: In response to Dragnalus

Another observation I'm making is that while Vedith and Carca are somewhat similar in their tone, the content of their posts are eerily different. Carca takes a less passive approach to the game, making claims that aren't substantiated but otherwise completely thought of in that moment.

tysm oh my gosh someone gets it.

Tho, Dragnalus, the occasional double post kinda sucks, but it doesn't make you much less of a townread.

Spoiler: In response to Vedith

VOTE: Bins

No

Other than that this is a waste post.
But on a serious note- keep lurking Comm and I vote you.

I want page 2 rainbow reads from everyone btw.

Why not?

and OK, tho I'm on my phone and the quote formatting is giving me enough shit to work with.

Towns
Dragnalus(good informative posts on what they think)
Aubrey(good analysis and post keeping)
Michael(shitwalls are looking pretty good for town)
Comm(does a really good job at defending themselves, seems to me like they're town and can easily defend themselves bc of it)

Nulls
Thinkbig (hi!!)
Vedith(you confuse me)
random(the tone seems town but IDK about their motives)
other people that didn't post much

Scum
Bins(I'll show why under the next spoiler)
The Bulge(kinda skimpy?? I'm not sure how to explain it. Not a super strong scum read though.)
pisskop(im sensing a small bias in their post but IDK if that's goofing off or not)
Socrates(some of their posts don't seem good from a town perspective)

Carcalilly

- I find her awkward, and given that we just came from a game where I had her as scum day 1, I think she is trying to force a different read from me. Still looks to only be searching for a scum pair rather than a scum for x reasons.

I'm a natural at being awkward.
But really, am I that different then our last game?? I honestly can't find any tone shift or whatever.
The Bulge/Verbs thing is jokey TBH. I literally looked down the list of players and chose the two that pinged my gut the most.

Spoiler: In response to Bins

VOTE: Bins
To me it feels like you low-key just disregarding that the game is up and running.

Disregarding? I have 1) three posts and 2) have made comments on reads on the second page. Nice try. Vote elsewhere.

*Ahem*

Y'all getting all worked up about one-liners when it doesn't really matter when activity is low.

... why don't you suggest a direction then?

It's mainly these lines. They sounded kinda dismissive to me.
Maybe I'm reading too much in between the lines but that's what I feel.

Spoiler: Quick thing about Socrates

Vote on Aubrey on their first post was blah. No reasoning, looks like a RVS.

Two questions, Aubrey:

1) Are you among the portion of the playerbase that openly resents the current site meta?

2) Are you an alt?

Also,

@Vedith: How do you handle playing as scum against a good friend?

Meh I can see this being used as a way to generate discussion but it's so... Fluffy and NAI... As well as the answers.
Tbh I can see asking NAI questions as a way to get others to burn out their posts if they aren't careful. I don't really know.

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Speculates Carca/Vedith interactions. Specifically, Scum!Vedith and Town!Carca. Has a townread on both, and even more so on Vedith? Its kinda contradictory.

VOTE: Socrates for now.

Spoiler: In response to Michael

I like your shitwallposts. However,

I don't think it's scummy but this post gave me a bit of off vibes
Your tone feels to not match with the previous
It's like, in your first post you seem to want to gain discussion. but when you respond to Vedith it seems a lot like commendatory post rather then having some towny solve emotion in it
VOTE: Carcalilly
For now, nothing else found

Gaining discussion and in discussion have rather different tones. It's normal.
Also, if it's not scummy off, then what kind of "off vibes" are we talking about? One strong enough for a vote?

Also, why vote and unvote in the same post. It's kinda messy, and it makes the vote look insignificant. If I was scum I wouldn't have felt pressured at all lol.

That's it for now ig. Time to go sit back and self control all over again.

[Carcalilly]

Sorry y'all, I'm 4th of Julying the American way.
I'll respond to things geared towards me later.

Anyway I'll leave you with this since you all apparently want it, and I don't want to leave you with nothing.

ThinkBig
CommKnight

Aubrey

The Bulge
pisskop
Verbs
Socrates*
Vedith*
Bins

randomidget*

Carcalilly

Michael22Omega
Dragnalus

[Carcalilly]

What the hell
VOTE: randomidget
Unvote yourself right now or else you're confscum

[Carcalilly]

Self voting is not something a town should do what the heck.
It's confusing, gives a lot of wifom which is good for scum.
If you were actually town voting yourself, that's just giving scum an easier ride to mislynch you.

Etc. In my book self voting is more of a scum thing than a town thing.
Random if youre Town unvote yourself thank you.

Though I agree with Vedith that Socrates should be our day 1 lynch.

[Carcalilly]

UNVOTE: ]
that was a reaction test btw. Aubrey had the most town reaction so kinda went up in my estimation.
VOTE: socrates
would rather lynch here than comm.

thanks
I'll vote with u because I agree
VOTE: Socrates

Though I agree with Vedith that Socrates should be our day 1 lynch.

This was a bit of a shock. Where did this come from?

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[Carcalilly]

Why do we have to lynch comm TBH I don't think they're scum
I'm voting only to get the game freaking moving, just know that I didn't really want to make this vote.
VOTE: commknight
if they don't flip scum then we should lynch Socrates tomorrow

[Carcalilly]

guys I really don't wanna lynch comm
do we HAVE to?

and you don't know if Socrates is going to be a mislynch if you're town.
plus, if youre town, your reads could still be wrong. so listening to them is helpful but not scumhunt jackpot.

[Carcalilly]

madafakk?

ily Lang

OK so I'm just about to run out of posts
VOTE: Socrates again because I personally think they should be lynched sometime.

I'll keep my last post just in case.

But here are my final day 1 reads:
Purposely avoiding nulls.


jjh927 TOWN
CommKnight TOWN
Aubrey TOWN
The Bulge SCUM
Lang Buddha TOWN
Persivul TOWN
Socrates SCUM
Vedith TOWN
Bins SCUM
randomidget TOWN
Michael22Omega TOWN
Dragnalus TOWN

[Carcalilly]

can someone hammer or can soc get on and talk because THIS GAME NEEDS TO MOVE RN

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: drag

[Carcalilly]

Can we please just lynch Socrates now?
I didn't want to lynch drag but I just wanted to day to be over fgs
VOTE: socrates

[Carcalilly]

Actually, no.
There was already a lot of information on you yesterday.
Though, 322 makes a hell a lot of sense.... I'm considering looking elsewhere.
Could you give us your full reads, Socrates? It doesn't have to be fancy, just something in case you are today's lynch.

[Carcalilly]

UNVOTE:

Or... Are there prs?
Also agree with some vca

I seriously think we should go after the people who voted Dragnalus, man. jjh comes to mind, mm-hm.
VOTE: jjhVOTE:

Why jj?

[Carcalilly]

I'm going to trust you guys on this.
I've had a feeling about thebulge for a while too
VOTE: thebulge

[Carcalilly]

Bulge please come and react

Also, Aubrey, if you're scum, you've got my hands tied. I TR you so hard.

[Carcalilly]

Just reporting that the scum team is bins and jjh927 and then going back
I spent 5 minutes of association reads into this and I'm confident
See you all later

If that's the case, why did jjh bother derailing the Soc wagon?

Maybe for towncred.
I'm OK with betting that one of the two are scum. (moreso jj, though I personally have a difficult time reading them)

[Carcalilly]

That's L1 on Bulge btw.

VOTE: thebulge


Xd voting against my reads to get this moving
I'm just not the guy to play this slow games

See you guys tomorrow!

DUDE

[Carcalilly]

In that pool I'm good with either Lang or Vedith
VOTE: Lang

[Carcalilly]

Michael if you weren't so helpful to town I would've been scumreading you for being so LAMIST

[Carcalilly]

Michael if you weren't so helpful to town I would've been scumreading you for being so LAMIST

Um
What does that mean

"Look at me I'm so town"

The game is now solved

[Carcalilly]

I'm OK with either
We could do both, Lang today, per tomorrow?

[Carcalilly]

My lynch order rn is lang -> aubrey -> pers, vedith most likely

I feel like it could be someone from here.

I'm wondering why Michael and Aubrey haven't been NKed yet, considering how big and contentful their posts are.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: persuvial
Any objections?

[Carcalilly]

I'm actually OK with lynching Aubrey, especially if per flips town.

[Carcalilly]

If Aubrey is scum, his pocket is just way too comfortable.

Also vedith seems town in this game. Seems like normal vedith.

Does Michael have any completed scumgames that we could look at for comparison?

[Carcalilly]

WHY THE HECK WOULD THEY KILL PERS?

VOTE: boon???

[Carcalilly]

Assemble it is
We gotta go!

[Carcalilly]

Uh no, I still sr Socrates a decent amount.
I feel like of we can get both we'll win the game.

[Carcalilly]

ok, there is no way assemble would miss a NK

[Carcalilly]

AUBREY COME HERE AND EXPLAIN BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO BE THE MOST ABSENT PERSON ON THE SITE DURING THE 8TH-11TH

[Carcalilly]

SCREW THIS GAME OK
ALL SIGNS POINT TO HERE
VOTE: Aubrey

All live players

Evidence of being online last night? (9th-11th)
Comm Yes
Aubrey

NO

Vedith Yes
Bins Yes
Carca Yes
Assemble Yes

This could be combatted saying that this is Aubrey's only game.
Though have some wagon analysis:

The Bulge

(7): Socrates, CommKnight, randomidget, Carcalilly, Bins, jjh927, Michael22Omega
Socrates (1): Vedith
jjh927 (1): Lang Buddha
Commknight (1): Persivul

Not Voting (2):

Aubrey

, The Bulge

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Off a scum wagon.

Boonskiies

(4): Carcalilly,

Aubrey

, Bins, CommKnight
Assemblerotws (1): Vedith
Carcalilly (1): Boonskiies

Not Voting (1): Assemblerotws

(With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.)

Wonderfully on a town wagon.

NK Analysis

Persivul, Verbose Townie, died during the night.

The previous day:

Persivul (3): Vedith, Carcalilly, Assemblerotws
Assemblerotws (2): CommKnight, Bins

Aubrey (1)

:

Persivul

Boonskiies (1): Aubrey

Not Voting (1): Boonskiies

Only one voting aubrey??

What about

randomidget, Verbose Townie, died during the night.

My lynch order rn is lang -> aubrey -> pers, vedith most likely

ugh ugh ugh

also the fact he hasn't been nked when i totally expected him to be for a while ;; same goes for Michael but still

[Carcalilly]

I'm going to call WIFOM on that.
If you're interactions with others prove you town I might move my vote to Assemble. Something is just really ticking me off with your slot.

This is my last worded post but,,, everyone please get to the game.

I really want to see you flipped, Aub. Nothing personal.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: assemble

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: comm

[Carcalilly]

Why did I not see this omg

[Carcalilly]

you played super well vedith!!!

and Aubrey I like you as a player, sorry for side suspecting you all the time lol
I hope to play more games with you in the future ^^

[Carcalilly]

im just glad to know carcalilly rolls town sometimes

I had to ask the mods several times if that was right.

LOL