Mini 1918: Paint Mafia Threequel! Game Over!

[Havo]

Fro99er's clear on Max was only contingent on him being aware Max's color was still primary.
I feel as though Aptil's push against Max might be better evidence for Max-town, tbh.

I'm townreading Aristo harder than Bomber and you (Havo), that's for sure.
I guess it's because he hasn't really done half the scrambling to show that he's town that both of you have. That and he's much more genuine in his posting, imo.

And he's done Zero game solving.

He also FOS'd Max and soft pushed him early. Who Aptil was pushing hard.

And you have to admit that attempted lynch flip looked bad.

[Havo]

vote: Ari

This is where my vote is going today.

If you want to lynch me so be it. Have at it.

[Havo]

July 4 is an awkward time for activity :/

VOTE: Aristophanes

Either Ari or Havo colorflip today, I don't really mind which.

I think flipping me or Ari is pretty useless actually.

I think I was probably painted night before last and if Ari is

Scum like I think. He certainly painted his self last night.

I think Varsoon would be a much better option for a flip.

Or even Bomber.

Flip Varsoon and lynch me. Then lynch Ari tomorrow.

[Havo]

Damn it. I set my alone for that morning but fell back to sleep before I remembered what it was for. I'm not even American lmao.
Havo why flip Varsoon and lynch you instead of flip Varsoon and lynch Ari?

VOTE: Bomber

Well of course I'd rather lynch Ari than myself but I don't think it matters tbh.

Should only be 1 scum left unless Cheet has gotten drunk. With a flip today and tomorrow you

Guys should be able to find the last scum without me. And tbh I'm about burnt out with the inactivity here.

I don't really give a damn at this point. If town loses then they deserve it because there's only a few who even care to play.

[Havo]

Ari can u please give some more of what happened right before deadline? It's the first time I wasnt apathetic abt lynching you at best and I like your reasoning on both Havo and Bomber =:)

He says he's absolutely sure I'm scum. So much so he almost can't believe it. All he had to do this whole time was to read my ISO. Wow, now why couldn't one of you think to do that?

[Havo]

Vote: Varsoon

This needs to happen already.

I'm not opposed to this at all but I'd like to hear Varsoons comments on it before I cast a vote.

[Havo]

Nobody's flipping Red. They would have painted themselves by now. Unless they can't which I don't see.

[Havo]

Yeah. I've been fairly convinced it's one of you or Havo for a while now

What do you think the odds are that Varsoon would have been painted?

[Havo]

Blue/Red flip is what we need.

I will volunteer as tribute if we promise to lynch Havo afterwards.

I'm not scum Ari.

[Havo]

Yeah. I've been fairly convinced it's one of you or Havo for a while now

Go back and look at who would be most likely to be painted each night. I don't think Varsoon was ever in the top 2 most likely. Why he's so convinced that he would be doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I know he's an outstanding player but what has he really done this game? He's pushing me and I know I'm town so it looks more shady to me obviously.

[Havo]

Blue/Red flip is what we need.

I will volunteer as tribute if we promise to lynch Havo afterwards.

I'm not scum Ari.

The who is?

I was leaning towards you. But I don't think you would hard sell a lynch on me saying you were absolutely sure I was scum. That makes me think you're sincere. Which makes me think it could be Varsoon.

But hell. I been everywhere and have FOS'd pretty much everyone.

[Havo]

I've already claimed VT.

[Havo]

vote: Bomber

Varsoon is being TR higher than Bomber on everybody's list and I doubt flipping him is a real option. So I think Bomber is the next best choice.

[Havo]

My heart says I will flip blue, so regardless of what happens I will remain true to my heart.

Cause I'm not scum lmao

Okay but this post sounds ???

Bizarre.....

[Havo]

you all wasted a flip.

You were on the wagon you know. If you didn't want to be flipped you could have made a case elsewhere.

Ninja'd
Will read.

This feels like a slap in the face for how many times I've tried and tell people how much I didn't like Varsoon/Havo. Please ISO me if you think I have never tried to make 'cases' on either.

Why are you throwing such a damn tantrum? And voting yourself? There is heavy interest in lynching me today and you come out with this?

[Havo]

Because being calm and trying to reason with people obviously has not worked. Don't try and talk down to me.

This is the Mafia game from hell IMO.

Almost complete town empathy.

And I'm not talking down to you.

[Havo]

I was kinda hoping I would be painted blue, and felt suckered that scum didn't think ahead. That's all.

Why would you say Kinda?

[Havo]

Wait what do you mean painted blue?
Didn't you start blue?

Lol.

[Havo]

I was kinda hoping I would be painted blue, and felt suckered that scum didn't think ahead. That's all.

There is nothing good about that statement.

[Havo]

Wait what do you mean painted blue?
Didn't you start blue?

This is Paint Mafia. Each faction is painted a certain color at the start, ergo, I started blue and was hoping I was still painted blue. If you really make an argument out of this I honestly will be done with this thread.

You was "Kinda" hoping.

[Havo]

Havent gotten the chance to do the work I wanted yet

What did you mean by this?

[Havo]

I'm a simple VT as well.

Varsoon?

Are you still absolutely sure I'm scum?

[Havo]

vote : Varsoon

Screw it.

[Havo]

vote : Varsoon

Screw it.

.....

Why!?

Because I think he's the scum. That's why.

[Havo]

No, u know what.

vote: Havo

I don't want to be around for Lylo.

[Havo]

Look no games. Lol.

I'm done. I'm out.

I've been nothing but a distraction for town and should've been lynched already.

And Bomber is right. I'd be nothing but a nightmare for town at Lylo.

No way I'm not getting lynched today anyway.

[Havo]

I don't think Ari would push that he's 100% sure I'm scum if he was scum. He'd look terribad when I flip town.

[Havo]

unvote

So I'm at L-2 for 15 hours and only 2 people post.

Smdh Unreal.

[Havo]

I'm gonna be looking at some things the next couple of hours or so.

[Havo]

@Varsoon.

Can u explain to me why Max is all but clear via Frog?

[Havo]

I will probably be placing my vote on Havo if the time comes. My own energy for this game has depleted over the course of time to get others to offer perspectives to me.

Of course.

there will be just enough players show up to lynch me.

Town does not deserve to win this game.

Why do people sign up to play mafia when it's obvious they have no intention of playing?

[Havo]

Okay, after looking things over this is what I get and where I'm at, FWIW.

It's either Varsoon, or Ari.

if it's not, hats off to you for playing a really good game and taking advantage of a completely apathetic town group.

The issues I have with Varsoon are kinda petty, mainly he hasn't taken the reins and lead town to scum and he says his most confident TR is Ari.

Ari's issues are much more grand IMO. His vote record is poor IMO. He was only on the TwoFace color flip because Frog demanded it. And he only voted TwoFace at the end to lynch
I think he was bussing Aptil during the Raya lynch, but not very hard. Biggest thing is I can't get past him flipping off the Aptil lynch wagon at the last second.

That's what stuck out to me most about Aptil, what ate at my gut, was him flipping off the TwoFace color flip. Ari done something very similar and it's eating at my gut again.

This is where I was at before Ari came out and guaranteed I was scum, I let that sway me a bit, but after looking at everything again, I keep coming back to Ari.

[Havo]

And I might be a sucky mafia player, but at least I'm playing and trying.

vote : Aristophanes

[Havo]

I feel like all my reads reset to zero at some point besides the Bomber townread.
Like 1887 kinda looks like Havo isn't part of town, Havo did you change your mind on Ari bc of what I said or bc you reread him?

What you said doesn't hurt, but no.

I went back and just looked at everything again, since we're at a point where things are stalled and not many people are playing.

I'm gonna try my best to find scum no matter what happens.

Basically the same thing I did prior to the Aptil lynch, and just let my gut lead me.

I can't get past Ari bailing on the Aptil lynch, my gut is telling me he's scum.

[Havo]

I feel like all my reads reset to zero at some point besides the Bomber townread.
Like 1887 kinda looks like Havo isn't part of town, Havo did you change your mind on Ari bc of what I said or bc you reread him?

I'm not sure why you think that post looks like I'm not town? But to each his own.

[Havo]

I buy Varsoon's reasoning on why Ari is town.

Havo, it's not so much the post-content as it is how you say things. I'm sorry, I know that's pretty unfair and if you're town I really am sorry.
Right now I'm between Havo and Varsoon. It's sorta hard to see Ari as scum after Varsoon's words on why that doesn't make sense, plus what I was seeing from Ari earlier. Varsoon is a 100% paranoia read but if I'm right on both Bomber and Ari being town then it doesn't matter, we can lynch both of them to win. The problem comes if Bomber is actually scum.

There are a... lot of thoughts here that are hard to word. My paranoia of Varsoon comes from really genuine feelings from Havo. I'm not even sure if Varsoon has actually done anything scummy.

Varsoon's explanation of Ari is convincing I won't argue that. But it's gonna come down to Varsoon or Bomber.
I don't envy you here at all. Because Varsoon is gonna make a very compelling case vs Bomber after I flip town. (But of course he hasn't done that all game) And note here, that the only compelling case he's made this game so far is against me. Who is a townie.
He implored people to play the game yet he's only made a case vs me and defended the guy I was pushing. It's obvious he's an outstanding player, yet he's not really breaking down the game and leading town. These are the reasons I get paranoid about him. Lol.

Again I'm sure I'm gonna be the lynch today. As I have been from the start of this day.

[Havo]

Havo, I've been trying to find a way to be sure even if you flip town. Can you quote/remind me why Bomber is town for you? Or are you just paranoid of Varsoon?
I wanna be here for lylo but I'm not sure I'm gonna get that chance. It would be a lot more guaranteed if Apricity was playing.

I'm not sure on Bomber, Varsoon or Aristo tbh. lol. Varsoon is more of a paranoia thing for me to be sure. Ari is a gut feeling thing.

I give Bomber a lot of credit for the TwoFace push, which he himself got mad about me giving too much credit for that, Plus Frog was heavily TR him, so that plays into my opinion of him being Town. I could see him being scum, I didn't like his reaction to being flipped or that statement just prior to flipping.

But this is part of the issues with me, I haven't been able to nail down my scum reads and as a result I've been a bit all over and wishy washy, which Bomber called me out on and pushed me about earlier.

But I also have vented my frustrations about no one have any hard scum reads, I've at least put my thoughts out there and as a result it's made me look scummy at times, which has made it easier for certain people to push me.

[Havo]

Apricity why'd you disappear as soon as you got confirmed? =:(
I dont have much right to complain bc my play hasnt been very good either.

Its weird but all I see from this Havo flip is a town one, and then Bomber vs Varsoon the next day w Apricity as the deciding vote, possibly with Ari contributing to the decision bc hes not getting lynched either. Scum varsoon cant push ari at this point and town Varsoon isnt going to.

Yeah, this is what you're looking at, scum will kill Apricity tonight even tho she hasn't been very active.

[Havo]

Shouldn't Varsoon get the same credit as Bomber for the Twoface push?

...None of this will actually matter if some players dont come back and change their votes so we can lynch.

Yes Varsoon should, and that's why Bomber gave his speech about Bussing. I was giving him and Varsoon and Frogg all a lot of town cred for the TwoFace push and Bomber got testy about it. lol.

[Havo]

Why do you say scum will def kill Apricity, Havo?
Also can you quote Bomber being testy about that, it's hard to find w ctrl-f.

I think scum will kill Apricity just because she's confirmed town, there's still a sliver of doubt out there about You, and even tho Apricity is not active she's confirmed town.

[Havo]

give me a sec on the Bomber thing, i'll look for it.

[Havo]

There's been a certain stigma about this game where TwoFace flipped red and everyone just assumed that the people involved preemptively (Me, Varsoon, Fro99er and perhaps Aristo) were immediately town because of it. I don't like this being put on me and I would ask people read what I am saying instead of being right on someone who even a blind person could see was scum. I don't account that lynch as anything but TwoFace completely fucking himself over, it was not a hard lynch nor hard to figure out. I think this opinion somehow became so twisted because fro99er enjoys seeing himself talk that people just accepted it and have been trying to pick off others, but also try to account the whole situation far too much.

We're in day 3 and we haven't been right since day one. I actually suspect and dislike the people who are willing to simply agree with a gamestate based on one flip and not give any thought. This is why I don't like Havo and why his readslist is even more reason for me to dislike him, and this is why I think we should flip fro99er because all he's doing at this point is poisoning the water well if you take in account he was horribly wrong 2 times in a row. I blame myself for trying to take a passive approach but I'm done with that and I wanna see some scum get the noose this time, and I think our best options are in Havo/Fro99er.

[Havo]

Bomber has been very paranoid about Varsoon the whole game, almost the exact same as me. He's pushed hard for a Frogger flip and also even stated that Frog's claim was terrible and BS. lol. But Frog was TRing bomber right before he was NK'd.

[Havo]

If we can convince ourselves that Varsoon is Town, then we rely on his hard TR of Ari, and we lynch Bomber, because VArsoon even stated that his lynch wagon analysis had Ari looking better than me and Bomber.

Or we could lynch me then Bomber tomorrow and still be good.

Only problem is if Varsoon is scum.

[Havo]

There's been a certain stigma about this game where TwoFace flipped red and everyone just assumed that the people involved preemptively (Me, Varsoon, Fro99er and perhaps Aristo) were immediately town because of it. I don't like this being put on me and I would ask people read what I am saying instead of being right on someone who even a blind person could see was scum. I don't account that lynch as anything but TwoFace completely fucking himself over, it was not a hard lynch nor hard to figure out. I think this opinion somehow became so twisted because fro99er enjoys seeing himself talk that people just accepted it and have been trying to pick off others, but also try to account the whole situation far too much.

We're in day 3 and we haven't been right since day one. I actually suspect and dislike the people who are willing to simply agree with a gamestate based on one flip and not give any thought. This is why I don't like Havo and why his readslist is even more reason for me to dislike him, and this is why I think we should flip fro99er because all he's doing at this point is poisoning the water well if you take in account he was horribly wrong 2 times in a row. I blame myself for trying to take a passive approach but I'm done with that and I wanna see some scum get the noose this time, and I think our best options are in Havo/Fro99er.

I could actually see this as Bomber being pissed at TwoFace for screwing scum over. And venting his frustrations at TwoFace with this rant. lol.

[Havo]

vote: Bomber

Yeah, I'm down with that.

[Havo]

Mistake

[Havo]

I'd rather u vote Bomber.

[Havo]

It doesn't really matter I guess.

[Havo]

I'm interested to see if Frog has posted anything in the dead thread anyway.

[Havo]

Plus I wanna see my death painting. It should be glorious. Lol.

[Havo]

There's still time.

[Havo]

just lynch Bomber tomorrow and hopefully we win.

[Havo]

Of course there's the Varsoon question you'll have to deal with also

Funny how he hasn't showed up since his early vote on me.

You'll have to ask the question, What has he really done as town?