Mini 1928 - Villain Mafia - GAME OVER

Radical Rat · Post Post #71 (isolation #0) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:01 pm

Hello fellow villains, and what a lovely day for villaining it is!
/confirm if that's still necessary.

In post 59, Carcalilly wrote:If Fuzzy dies tonight than TTH can be on my conftown list.
If not then we lynch them day two.
Sounds like a plan.

VOTE: Carcalilly
Why couldn't TTH just scumkill Fuzzy? In fact, this seems like giving her a free pass if she gets caught via tracker/watcher.

Radical Rat · Post Post #85 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:22 pm

I am not a hydra, what the heck.
Fire, you have been in games with me before.
As have you, TTH, though I think we were both hydras then? You were Heartless, I know that much.

I believe Treblesome here is trying to be whimsical and that THEY are the RC/Aristophanes hydra

Radical Rat · Post Post #91 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:31 pm

In post 90, Carcalilly wrote:Since when are we talking about rc and ari

In post 78, Treblesome wrote:Radical Rat is a hydra of Aristophanes and RadiantCowbells, so yes.

Radical Rat · Post Post #92 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:33 pm

In post 71, Radical Rat wrote:Hello fellow villains, and what a lovely day for villaining it is!
/confirm if that's still necessary.

In post 59, Carcalilly wrote:If Fuzzy dies tonight than TTH can be on my conftown list.
If not then we lynch them day two.
Sounds like a plan.
VOTE: Carcalilly
Why couldn't TTH just scumkill Fuzzy? In fact, this seems like giving her a free pass if she gets caught via tracker/watcher.

Also, answer this please

Radical Rat · Post Post #100 (isolation #4) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:00 pm

In post 96, TellTaleHeart wrote:Aside from the fact that I obviously wasn't seriously claiming vig?
The fact that an extra kill would be the telltale for if a vig claim is true or not. The idea of pony "making an excuse for a tracker guilty" is just nonsense.

Unless Doc. Or RBer. Or JK.
And regardless of whether your claim was serious or not, Carcalilly thought it was, and that reaction is what I am concerned with, not your claim itself.

Radical Rat · Post Post #110 (isolation #5) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:36 pm

God damn it, I am too autistic to keep up with all these "joke" claims.

If you're gonna say something, then unless it's part of some gambit or reaction test,

please

mean it.

Radical Rat · Post Post #114 (isolation #6) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:53 pm

In post 111, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 110, Radical Rat wrote:God damn it, I am too autistic to keep up with all these "joke" claims.

If you're gonna say something, then unless it's part of some gambit or reaction test,
please
mean it.
OK, let's ignore the jokes and pretend we're both being totally serious.
Watcher or tracker sees me target fuzzy, who is presumably now a corpse. So what? I already said I was killing fuzzy.

Why would pony need to "make excuses" now and why is she scum?

It'd be a darn good scumstrat I'd say. You get caught red handed in the nightkill, your vig claim protects you, and you get towncred for telling the "truth."

In this scenario Carcalilly would be your scumbuddy, setting the stage for you to be "conftown."

However, none of that has happened yet, and I only meant to point out that Fuzzy's death would confirm nothing, and claiming that it would is sketchy as hell.

Radical Rat · Post Post #168 (isolation #7) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:50 pm

In post 120, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 114, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 111, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 110, Radical Rat wrote:God damn it, I am too autistic to keep up with all these "joke" claims.

If you're gonna say something, then unless it's part of some gambit or reaction test,
please
mean it.
OK, let's ignore the jokes and pretend we're both being totally serious.
Watcher or tracker sees me target fuzzy, who is presumably now a corpse. So what? I already said I was killing fuzzy.

Why would pony need to "make excuses" now and why is she scum?
It'd be a darn good scumstrat I'd say. You get caught red handed in the nightkill, your vig claim protects you, and you get towncred for telling the "truth."

In this scenario Carcalilly would be your scumbuddy, setting the stage for you to be "conftown."

However, none of that has happened yet, and I only meant to point out that Fuzzy's death would confirm nothing, and claiming that it would is sketchy as hell.
That's awful.

Why?
I recognize that I say a lot of stupid shit in Mafia games, but I can't improve if no one tells me WHY the stupid shit is stupid.

At any rate, RC's feeling Town, Antitown probably also.
Assuming the masonry is real for now, there's that too.
Fire's wagon at the beginning has all kinds of bad vibes about it, and I'm thinking either Raya or Fuzzy has the WORST vibes, due to their votes being the only actually "dangerous" votes. So, I'll go with the wagon for now.
Still iffy about Carcalilly though.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fuzzy

Radical Rat · Post Post #176 (isolation #8) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:47 pm

I don't like it's speed mostly.
I do not understand how an RVS wagon was able to get to L-1 at all, let alone within 3 pages.

I voted you in particular because you were the one to put it there, and you've already got a wagon going with a couple of my townreads on it.

Radical Rat · Post Post #210 (isolation #9) » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:28 am

In post 184, havingfitz wrote:
In post 176, Radical Rat wrote:I do not understand how an RVS wagon was able to get to L-1 at all, let alone within 3 pages.
FB only got to L-2 bmc. In 2 pages.

In post 48, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Fire is at l-1 now

Radical Rat · Post Post #225 (isolation #10) » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:10 am

In post 222, Steel wrote:prodge

So there's nothing at all you have to say? Not a single thing?

Radical Rat · Post Post #272 (isolation #11) » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:11 am

In post 267, SnarkySnowman wrote:I highly doubt there's a jester in this game, last I looked it wasn't supposed to be bastard.

While I know Jester is typically only a thing in bastard games, it technically isn't on the list of bastard elements in the queue. Not that I actually expect there to be one, but ya never know.

I find it strange though that This is what you chose to comment on when you pop in. Nothing about fuzzy? Or about the budding wagon on yourself? Or even just a read or two?

Radical Rat · Post Post #299 (isolation #12) » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:18 am

In post 287, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Tell Tale
it was policy lynch based on the concern that Fire might implode later in the game which could hurt the town. When he did what he did he was not necessarily a threat to town however later on he could be, He seemed a chaotic element in the game
It seems that it would be best to get rid that possibility early on before it could hurt the town. At best my vote would kick Fire in the butt and cause him to play less chaotic at worse we would get rid of a player that could hurt the town later on.
I took a gamble.

So..... You're saying we should lynch Fire because he hasn't hurt Town yet, but he did once before in another game, so we need to kill him now Just In Case.

Absolutely not, this is scum, lynch lynch lynch

Radical Rat · Post Post #362 (isolation #13) » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:10 am

Fire vs RC is pretty interesting.

I wanna say Fire is Town, because this feels genuine to me, and I can follow the thought process.

RC is undetermined for me as of now, but I do agree that it seems strange of Fire to bring up scum meta while thinking he's Town.

On the mason issue, I see no reason why we shouldn't believe a claim that's been corroborated by multiple slots, aside from mod meta, which is ehhh.

Radical Rat · Post Post #422 (isolation #14) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:42 am

I don't think Snarky's being malicious there. I've been in a few games with them and in every one they're super lurking and half paying attention, regardless of alignment.

In fact, this many posts is actually a vast improvement over previous games.

Radical Rat · Post Post #428 (isolation #15) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:30 am

In post 427, Carcalilly wrote:
In post 426, Firebringer wrote:So, how's life everyone?
VOTE: firebringer

Bad vote, try again. And make it Fuzzy this time.

Radical Rat · Post Post #464 (isolation #16) » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:17 pm

In post 439, Carcalilly wrote:I feel like a kitten trying to play with an unamused dog

Anyway, fuzzy is awkward, but I don't think they're scum.

I don't scumread Fire, I actually townread them decently (mainly due to the claim and events at the beginning of the game)

Ah yes. I too, tend to vote for my townreads when I am Town. It's the only reasonable thing to do, especially when a wagon is already beginning.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Carcalilly

Radical Rat · Post Post #498 (isolation #17) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:58 am

[quote="In post 443
just to clarify: I am not a mason, but I AM a masonizer. At night I can make someone a mason with me, conftown etc.[/quote]

So that means everyone else who claimed mason is lying?

Radical Rat · Post Post #499 (isolation #18) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:01 am

In post 498, Radical Rat wrote:[quote="In post 443
just to clarify: I am not a mason, but I AM a masonizer. At night I can make someone a mason with me, conftown etc.

So that means everyone else who claimed mason is lying?[/quote]

No idea what's up with the quote there, but also Why would you claim that??? Without a doctor you're probably gonna die tonight.

Radical Rat · Post Post #524 (isolation #19) » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:02 pm

So if you don't think Madvillain is the scum in the hood, who is?

Radical Rat · Post Post #528 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:53 am

In post 525, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I am not sure......... I am open to any one of them being scum. Is there any reason you believe Mad is the scum in the neighborhood.

POE, mostly. I like Treblesome, and L&T's role implies Town.

Granted, it's a moot point until D3, but it doesn't sit right with me that you want to cast suspicion over the hood, but don't actually have anyone in mind.

Radical Rat · Post Post #555 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:06 pm

In post 551, Scorpious wrote:Fine, because I'm not even trying to be a part of the club. And I refuse to be used as a pawn..

I'm Pennywise, I am town. I am a 1 shot ultra delayed pseudo strongman vig..

Find another sucker..and tell me i made that up.

What does pseudo strongman mean?

Radical Rat · Post Post #570 (isolation #22) » Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:08 am

In post 555, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 551, Scorpious wrote:Fine, because I'm not even trying to be a part of the club. And I refuse to be used as a pawn..

I'm Pennywise, I am town. I am a 1 shot ultra delayed pseudo strongman vig..

Find another sucker..and tell me i made that up.
What does pseudo strongman mean?

Radical Rat · Post Post #571 (isolation #23) » Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:10 am

Also, I agree that you should tell us the delay on that.

Simply put, IF this is fake, you can just carry it on indefinitely by saying "Oh it hasn't gone through yet"
But if we have a timeframe for when to expect your shot, you're easier to verify.

Radical Rat · Post Post #577 (isolation #24) » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:11 am

In post 570, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 555, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 551, Scorpious wrote:Fine, because I'm not even trying to be a part of the club. And I refuse to be used as a pawn..

I'm Pennywise, I am town. I am a 1 shot ultra delayed pseudo strongman vig..

Find another sucker..and tell me i made that up.
What does pseudo strongman mean?

Radical Rat · Post Post #578 (isolation #25) » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:12 am

In post 576, Madvillain wrote:UNVOTE:

Snarky's posts are pretty bad and he's clearly not reading the game, but there are far better places for a vote imo. I'd prefer to vote a scumread with more content than 4 small posts. Sry binsy but I'm moving this!

VOTE: Antitown

Also here's some reads. I'm admittedly sorta iffy about my fuzzy read, his behaviour seems like it might be NAI but every post pings me so hard it hurts. definitely keeping an eye on him.

Carcalilly

Scorpious

SnarkySnowman

Steel

TellTaleHeart

Radical Rat

Treblesome

TheFuzzyLogic99

Lady and the Tramp

Firebringer

Antitown

havingfitz

Can you explain these colors? I'm guessing green is Town and Red is scum, but pink and blue? Yellow?

Radical Rat · Post Post #587 (isolation #26) » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:34 pm

In post 581, Scorpious wrote:
"False strongman"

Yes, I understand the literal meaning of the words, but like. Mechanically, what does that do? Just extra fluff on your name?

Radical Rat · Post Post #591 (isolation #27) » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:05 pm

In post 590, Treblesome wrote:Yeah, this isn't a town win.
Scorpious claims to have an unroleblockable vig: let's leash the shot onto someone. If we do that with the stipulation that he gets lynched if he doesn't make the shot as we have said, I'm willing to vote elsewhere else.

I don't think that Antitown is scum. Can we vote Snarky?

First thing's first.

SnarkySnowman
SnarkySnowman
SnarkySnowman

And now... they should appear.

Radical Rat · Post Post #595 (isolation #28) » Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:17 pm

In post 593, SnarkySnowman wrote:Ok I'm here and gonna read

VOTE: SnarkySnowman
For motivation

Radical Rat · Post Post #597 (isolation #29) » Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:24 pm

In post 596, Firebringer wrote:This literally happens every game with snarky.
He gets wagoned and lynched very often.

Kind of bored of it.

Perhaps this will be the game where Snarky gives up the Lurker's Path and posts consistently beyond promises to read and/or catch up.

Radical Rat · Post Post #604 (isolation #30) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:22 am

The idea is that MAYBE being under the threat of a lynch will get Snarky to post more.

I don't really have a read either way right now, and the only solution is to squeeze out more content

Radical Rat · Post Post #605 (isolation #31) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:26 am

Might not be a bad idea to use that delayed vig shot there though... If they're Town they have time to step it up and maybe give us something to work with when they flip, and if scum then well. We kill scum.

Radical Rat · Post Post #635 (isolation #32) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:49 pm

In post 634, TellTaleHeart wrote:Carcalilly, Treblesome, Radical Rat
Scorpious, TheFuzzyLogic99
Steel, Antitown, Firebringer
Lady and the Tramp
SnarkySnowman
havingfitz, Madvillain

Steel and Lady tiers make up the "null" region.

Why is Fuzzy Town?
Why is fitz Scum?

Radical Rat · Post Post #657 (isolation #33) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:40 pm

I really don't agree with Fuzzy being "too bad to be scum." Unless Fuzzy has a reputation for being a skilled and/or cautious scum player, I just don't feel comfortable using that as a basis for a townread.

I didn't really notice anything with fitz before you brought it up, but I think you may be right there.

VOTE: havingfitz
Lynch here today, vig Snarky tonight?

Radical Rat · Post Post #694 (isolation #34) » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:35 pm

In post 687, Scorpious wrote:To everyone..

When and on who would you use this role?

Snarky, and tonight.
Subject to change if they GET THEIR ASS IN HERE AND POST, but hey, maybe imminent doom will get them to come in and say something.

Radical Rat · Post Post #736 (isolation #35) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:09 am

Doesn't shooting Madvillain negate the purpose of your D3 neighborhood alignment thingy?
Unless you mean save the shot for after that, but even so lynching seems like the better option there.

Radical Rat · Post Post #742 (isolation #36) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:08 pm

In post 739, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:
In post 736, Radical Rat wrote:Doesn't shooting Madvillain negate the purpose of your D3 neighborhood alignment thingy?
Unless you mean save the shot for after that, but even so lynching seems like the better option there.
agreed.....

I have a strange feeling that one scum is either inactive and or lurking/ This is just gut feeling
I think there likely one scum on my wagon and one on Fritz.

Any ideas as to whom?

Radical Rat · Post Post #843 (isolation #37) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:38 am

I would prefer we go back to fitz, but I guess that's not happening, so onto my other scumread it is.

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

I don't buy that claim at all btw. Two reasons: WHY would MAGNETO be a voyeur? Seems more like a roleblocker/redirector type thing to me. And then the fact that it's just a regular voyeur, when all the other roles I'm aware of are weird in some way.

Radical Rat · Post Post #845 (isolation #38) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:42 am

I'll hammer if I absolutely must, but I really don't think Scorpius is scum, nor do I think Fuzzy is Town.

And if YOU were to come back to the correct wagon, that'd make it L-1

Radical Rat · Post Post #848 (isolation #39) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:51 am

Oh right. I forgot to actually subtract your vote from the count, whoops.

Hm. The way I see it, due to the delay on his kill as long as he tells us who he shoots we can mitigate it if he made a bad decision.
Frankly, I don't even really get how the wagon got to this point.

Radical Rat · Post Post #851 (isolation #40) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:06 pm

In post 849, havingfitz wrote:
In post 843, Radical Rat wrote:I would prefer we go back to fitz
Why. Other than you sheeping someone else's crap reasons.

Well, that's about it tbh.
Nothing you've said/done has made me townread you, and those "crap" reasons make sense to me, so y'know.

Radical Rat · Post Post #877 (isolation #41) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:57 pm

Okay so. Point of confusion.
How did L&T win? They weren't lynched....

Also, if anyone targetted me last night, say so now.

Radical Rat · Post Post #880 (isolation #42) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:01 pm

Wiki says Mime is a faction that wins when all members are lynched.

Radical Rat · Post Post #889 (isolation #43) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:15 pm

In post 887, Treblesome wrote:I'm not going to be around and I'm pretty sure the kill directed at me is strongman so you're probably better off directing it at someone else.

Also, vote Scorpious.

Actually, the claim was PSEUDO Strongman. Which means you can totally be saved. Do you happen to know when you will die?

Radical Rat · Post Post #902 (isolation #44) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:23 pm

I'm not actually sure about lynching Scorp.

While I agree it was a REALLY bad choice of shot, it does more or less confirm the role he claimed, which I know I certainly wouldn't have claimed if I were scum. Vig, maybe. But giving so much information that we can easily tell that HE is the one who killed his target? Seems a bit of an odd scumplay to me.

Radical Rat · Post Post #907 (isolation #45) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:30 pm

In post 905, Scorpious wrote:
In post 904, Treblesome wrote:I'm not leaving alive a vig who is making these shots.

Doesn't matter.. you still die

Is that mod-confirmed?
I know you said you couldn't be roleblocked, but it'd still be awfully hard for you to kill anyone without your own life intact.

Radical Rat · Post Post #908 (isolation #46) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:31 pm

RC, do you guys have a targetable ability or just your neighborhood thing?

Radical Rat · Post Post #909 (isolation #47) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:32 pm

No need to give specifics, just can you target folks?

Radical Rat · Post Post #919 (isolation #48) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:54 am

In post 918, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 902, Radical Rat wrote:I'm not actually sure about lynching Scorp.

While I agree it was a REALLY bad choice of shot, it does more or less confirm the role he claimed, which I know I certainly wouldn't have claimed if I were scum. Vig, maybe. But giving so much information that we can easily tell that HE is the one who killed his target? Seems a bit of an odd scumplay to me.
So what does he do?
Walk me through the theory of what exactly he does as scum with the role he claimed.

Either not claim at all, or claim only if he got caught making a kill. And even then just claim one-shot pseudo strongman vig, leaving out the delay and the flavor.

As it is now, he's drawn a Lot of unnecessary attention to himself and given the Town all the information necessary to stop the kill if a doctor or jailkeeper would be so inclined. I would imagine scum would like their kills to go through, and not be caught in the process.

Radical Rat · Post Post #925 (isolation #49) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:15 pm

I think it might be exaggerating to say a single vig shot "handed scum the game"

I mean, one scum is already dead, two if you count survivor (shame on you if you do btw), it's still very possible for us to win this.

Radical Rat · Post Post #927 (isolation #50) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:19 pm

In post 922, Scorpious wrote:So for all that feel I vigged confirm town...

What confirmed Treble as town?

Nothing "confirmed" them, but up until the policy lynch talk, their play and thought processes have looked pretty darn Town to me.

Plus, they could very easily be confirmed tomorrow, so at the very least you could have held off on the shot until then.

Radical Rat · Post Post #928 (isolation #51) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:20 pm

Which.... I guess in a sense you did, but now you can't shoot someone else instead.

Radical Rat · Post Post #932 (isolation #52) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:35 pm

I will not be participating in a Scorpious wagon.

I'll need to think a bit on who I do want to lynch today, but I believe that both Scorpious and Treblesome are Town, and I'm not gonna policy lynch over spilled milk.

And about Scorpious secretly being a real strongman... Why go out of the way to claim NOT strongman instead of just leaving strongman out of the claim?

Radical Rat · Post Post #934 (isolation #53) » Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:18 am

Yo, other half of the game

Anything you'd like to share with the class?

Radical Rat · Post Post #943 (isolation #54) » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:12 pm

In post 935, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 919, Radical Rat wrote:And even then just claim one-shot pseudo strongman vig, leaving out the delay and the flavor.
:S
What's incriminating about the flavor or the delay?

I'm not letting Scorpius just walk away from this shot, especially given that he has yet to even attempt to justify it.

While not necessarily incriminating, us knowing about the delay makes it easier for the kill to be prevented.
And then since Treblesome was apparently told they were dragged into the sewer, it's pretty hard for a claimed Pennywise to get out of it, and I would assume messages like that being given to victims would be in the role PM.

As far as reads go...

Treblesome, Scorpious - Strong Townread
TellTaleHeart, Steel, Antitown - Light Townread
CommKnight - Null
havingfitz, Madvillain, Carcalilly - Light Scumread
N/A - Strong Scumread

Which reminds me, I haven't actually voted yet.
VOTE: havingfitz

Not much change in reasoning there, but the complete lack of posts sure isn't helping anything.

Radical Rat · Post Post #944 (isolation #55) » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:24 pm

In post 940, Scorpious wrote:
In post 937, Treblesome wrote:I find it really hard to care about this game anymore.

I agree..

Alright both of you, listen up.

Scorpious, I haven't been spending almost this entire day so far arguing against your lynch despite universal resistance for you just give up.
And RC( at least, I assume that's RC talking ), I haven't been trying to dig up all the ways you could be saved just for you to give up either, especially not with the rest of today, tonight, and all of tomorrow before you're even in real danger, for you to just give up either.

You are BOTH going to play, and you are BOTH going to LIKE IT

With the aim of facilitating that...
Treblesome, who are you scumreading right now beyond Scorpious?
Scorpious, Treble's already dying, who do you want to see lynched today?

Radical Rat · Post Post #969 (isolation #56) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:58 am

Forgive me, been a busy couple of days.
I am still here though, and have read (most of) the thread.

Expect a proper post tonight

Radical Rat · Post Post #970 (isolation #57) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:19 pm

In post 945, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 943, Radical Rat wrote:While not necessarily incriminating, us knowing about the delay makes it easier for the kill to be prevented.
According to his claim, there's no preventing the kill anyway.
Why would he care?

I had assumed it only meant he was immune to roleblocking, not every possible method of stopping a kill.

In post 945, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 943, Radical Rat wrote:And then since Treblesome was apparently told they were dragged into the sewer, it's pretty hard for a claimed Pennywise to get out of it, and I would assume messages like that being given to victims would be in the role PM.
OK, that points to him actually being Pennywise.
So what?

I suppose you
could
townread the timing of when he sprung the claim and I could maybe see that? You've still failed to give a compelling reason to townread Scorpius, the way he's played, the way he's played his claimed role, or the way he's dealt with the fallout of his shot.

My point is, us knowing that he's Pennywise means that there is no way for him to get out of responsibility for his shot. Had he not claimed that, RC/Apricity wouldn't know what dragged into the sewer meant, or who dragged them.

In post 946, CommKnight wrote:@Radical Rat, what is your case on Fitz?

Well it's not really MY case, but I'm pretty much sheeping this in lieu of anything else to go on. Though now there is more to go on, so y'know.

In post 942, TellTaleHeart wrote: There were a couple posts from Fitz that pinged me. The first was Post 330 which I read as a filler-y "here's something that looks like an opinion to fill space" post mostly because I can't figure out a reason why the grab ass "mason" claiming at the beginning was particularly bothersome. The post that really bugged me was the most recent, Post 534. Fitz obviously spent time thinking about this issue of how to deal with a revealed neighborhood, so it's striking to me that he came to the really anti-town conclusion to just brush it off. The mod confirming the alignment of three people is a pretty big boon for town. Why would you throw that away by lynching in the neighborhood? It's a pretty cut and dry deal but I feel like Fitz was trying to add "wifom...fog..." to it by labeling it as such.

In post 949, havingfitz wrote:Not interested in voting Scorpious w/ L&T flipping SK. I lean Scorp town.
Radical policy voting me is weak. Can't find scum in those posting more frequently? smh.....

It is not policy, nor is it based entirely on your post count. I said that that the fact you had posted LITERALLY NOTHING for all of D2 until this point didn't do much to help your case, but that's not WHY I'm voting you, nor did I claim it was.

In post 954, havingfitz wrote:
In post 951, Scorpious wrote:I am still waiting to hear from the game about their reads on Treble,and if they agree that they are confirmed town,then why?
Not sure why this matters after the fact but I have thought Treble was town. Though I don't fault your choice....so you have a different opinion.

So you townread Treble......... but are fine with them being vigged? Doesn't make a lot of sense if you ask me.

In post 964, Scorpious wrote:Sorry guys. In the process of moving..

I feel my shot was ass,after re-reading.. It should have been Madvillian or TTH.

Damnit!! I just wanted to get to kill someone...

In post 965, Scorpious wrote:Fire away..

I deserve it..

No you don't. You made a bad shot, almost EVERY vig does. Right now though, we could really use your vote on the real scum here.

In post 967, havingfitz wrote:
In post 929, Scorpious wrote:I did pine over iso's for quite awhile..

It wasnt just a random shot..

In post 964, Scorpious wrote:I feel my shot was ass,after re-reading

Why did you re-read? You seemed like you were good with your choice and took time to consider your shot.

What did you see different in your re-read that changed your mind?

If you're so busy moving you felt the need to mention it...why spend your limited time revisiting a decision already set in motion?

Shooting a townread is okay, but looking back with hindsight bias and regretting it isn't? It doesn't sound like you really value your townreads' lives...

Radical Rat · Post Post #971 (isolation #58) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:23 pm

With that out of the way....

VOTE: Madvillains
Since the neighborhood never existed at all, I find myself heavily suspicious of him tacking himself on there. I get why RC made the hood claim, and I get why L&T faked masonizer to begin with, but I don't understand trying to insert yourself into such a claim.
My theory is that you knew the claim wasn't real (which makes sense seeing as L&T just straight claimed masonizer before RC changed it), and knew they wouldn't be able to call you out without first outing themselves as faking the neighborhood.

Radical Rat · Post Post #975 (isolation #59) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:53 pm

In post 973, CommKnight wrote:Also... @Scorpious. I need to know exactly what night your kill falls on.. No bullshitting me either, it's an all or nothing move that I'll be making and I can't do it too early or too late. I need to know, which night Treble will die.

N3, if I'm not mistaken. Though I have to advise against that all or nothing move of yours.

Radical Rat · Post Post #978 (isolation #60) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:01 pm

In post 977, CommKnight wrote:
In post 975, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 973, CommKnight wrote:Also... @Scorpious. I need to know exactly what night your kill falls on.. No bullshitting me either, it's an all or nothing move that I'll be making and I can't do it too early or too late. I need to know, which night Treble will die.
N3, if I'm not mistaken. Though I have to advise against that all or nothing move of yours.
Well, do you TR Treble enough to want the kill to not happen?

Yes, but still. That move of yours would be better saved for later.

Radical Rat · Post Post #980 (isolation #61) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:08 pm

I don't.

But we don't know for

sure

if stopping the kill on its intended night actually stops it completely, or just delays it further. If this is an all or nothing deal, it's better used when we know it will function as intended.

Radical Rat · Post Post #984 (isolation #62) » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:58 pm

Madvillains doesn't believe the neighborhood claim, because they do believe the normal masonizer claim.
They inject themselves into that claim as another neighbor, hoping to get a ride to D3, which they almost did.

Radical Rat · Post Post #1032 (isolation #63) » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:30 am

Oh, we finally get to lynch fitz? Thank God.

VOTE: havingfitz

L-1 if I'm not mistaken.

Radical Rat · Post Post #1077 (isolation #64) » Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:25 am

GIVE ME AN L
GIVE ME A Y
GIVE ME AN N
GIVE ME A C
GIVE ME AN H

WHAT'S THAT SPELL?

LYNCH

Radical Rat · Post Post #1087 (isolation #65) » Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:41 am

In post 1086, Scorpious wrote:Intent to hammer..

UNVOTE:

I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this hammer

Radical Rat · Post Post #1088 (isolation #66) » Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:42 am

( If the jokey posts are a problem I can stop, I just don't have much serious to say that hasn't been said already )

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:18 am

We have a guilty, and it's on someone who's been looking scummyish for a while now.

VOTE: Carcalilly

I feel like it makes much more sense to kill the guilty to legitimize the cop than to kill the cop to incriminate the guilty.

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:19 am

Also, how do you intend to force scum to shoot her?

No docs are dead yet.

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:19 am

... Alright...
UNVOTE:

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:28 am

Okay...
You think it should be Scorpious then, I presume?
I very strongly disagree, but I was also pretty darn sure havingfitz was scum, so what the hell do I know

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:30 am

This makes me really nervous though.
I'll trust you, but... Letting a guilty result live? In maybe MyLo?
It really seems safer to just lynch her now.

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:31 am

In post 1138, Carcalilly wrote:*Madvillian

havingfitz was playing scum

You uh. You did read the flip, right?

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:41 am

In post 1141, Treblesome wrote:
In post 1137, Radical Rat wrote:Okay...
You think it should be Scorpious then, I presume?
I very strongly disagree, but I was also pretty darn sure havingfitz was scum, so what the hell do I know
I don't expect you to agree any more than I expected people to follow me onto FA or countless other people.
Your townread on him basically boils down to he wouldn't claim: which we forced him to do, and there wouldn't be a scum vig: which is short sighted as hell
Do you think that your read on that slot is more accurate than mine is, after you pushed two mislynches?

This makes me really nervous though.
I'll trust you, but... Letting a guilty result live? In maybe MyLo?
It really seems safer to just lynch her now.
What's the difference between lynching her today or tomorrow?

Less that he wouldn't claim, more that he wouldn't claim HONESTLY.

And.... I really don't know. Scorpious and you are my strongest townreads. But you're right, I did push for two mislynches. Which is why I'm just gonna sheep your vote regardless, I just... Still don't feel good about this.

As for lynching Carcalilly today vs. tomorrow, it's just that if we lynch wrong today, and the doctor (who I have to assume exists given your role's activation trigger) can't save you... We lose. I feel more comfortable lynching a guilty result from one of my other strong townreads then lynching one townread because another townread, who is admittedly a better player than I am, said to.

Radical Rat · Post Post #1155 (isolation #74) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:02 pm

I really don't think she's saying you're the "bad guy"

Radical Rat · Post Post #1157 (isolation #75) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:11 pm

It's nothing about you personally needing to bet the game on it, it's just that if we lynch Town today there is a high probability that we lose the game. It's not certain, but it is one of the reasons I'm so anxious about today

Radical Rat · Post Post #1160 (isolation #76) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:22 pm

Very well. I'll trust you on this.
VOTE: Scorpious

Radical Rat · Post Post #1162 (isolation #77) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:48 pm

In post 1161, Scorpious wrote:I am not wasting my time on this again..

You may as well just start thinking about how you will perceive the game after I flip town.

What are your reads, right now?

Radical Rat · Post Post #1186 (isolation #78) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:34 pm

If we'll set the egos aside for a moment....

Treble, you say that you believe TTH is Town, and the guilty is genuine.
Then I have to ask, what there is to gain by NOT lynching a guilty today? I was operating under the assumption that you weren't sure about TTH, but if that's not the case, why can't we lynch confscum today, and then Scorpious tomorrow?

If you turn up dead, I promise you, I will lynch Scorpious as per your dying wish.

But right now? JUST IN CASE you're wrong, which I'm not saying you are, but JUST IN CASE, why can't we just lynch the confscum?

UNVOTE:
I'll hold off on actually voting Carcalilly until after your think with Madvillain, but if you believe the guilty we should lynch the guilty. Period.

Radical Rat · Post Post #1188 (isolation #79) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:03 pm

In post 1187, Treblesome wrote:Why the fuck is it that trying to win is best served by lying about what my actual reads are then?

You're not going to fucking lynch Scorpious and don't pretend

I will.
I'm committing to that.

However, I'd really rather lynch the confirmed scum first. I do not see the benefit in lynching someone you think is scum over someone with a cop guilty at a critical point in the game like this.
If you EXPLAIN that benefit, I may switch back to Scorpious. But the only thing I can see it helping is determining the legitimacy of the guilty, but if that isn't actually in question then.......... ???

Radical Rat · Post Post #1218 (isolation #80) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:10 am

Treble, you guys don't need to claim yet since you haven't gotten to use your ability yet, but Madvillain I would like to know what your role does.

I also targetted L&T N1, and my action failed. Knowing your action may help me figure out why

Radical Rat · Post Post #1220 (isolation #81) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:12 am

In post 1216, Treblesome wrote:I still don't think Commknight was ever the scum nightkill in any reasonable universe.

If he didn't use the lightning rod, perhaps scum killed him because he claimed to be capable of saving you

Radical Rat · Post Post #1222 (isolation #82) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:16 am

I don't.
Except for TTH's result, which could have just been a framer...

Radical Rat · Post Post #1224 (isolation #83) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:18 am

In post 981, CommKnight wrote:Well... I am going to delay on it. It might be too late for Treble unless we got someone who can counter the attack somehow.

There's also this.

Radical Rat · Post Post #1227 (isolation #84) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:23 am

I don't think you'd get dragged into the sewers twice anyway though.
I think it just sends it for the initial target.

And I'm not sure why he'd lie about when he'd activate a lightning rod. I mean, it's not like that's a role that can really be interfered with

Radical Rat · Post Post #1235 (isolation #85) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:42 am

Well, we know your inno results are probably good. And framer still has to try and guess who you're gonna check.

Radical Rat · Post Post #1237 (isolation #86) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:52 am

So.
Anti's town by inno result
Treble and TTH are Town by play, and TTH has a pretty town role
I'm Town because of my role PM

So scum has to be in Carcalilly/Scorpious/Steel/Madvillain.
Assuming three scum (though I think given SK and survivor flips there's more likely two, everyone else seems to think three), we've got a 75% chance if we just pick one.

While I did have a pretty good townread on Steel, they have been suspiciously absent for most of yesterday and today... RC seems super convinced Scorpious is scum.... Carcalilly's been slightly pinging me all game.... Madvillain I go back and forth on.

So my personal preference is still Carcalilly for today, but I'm content to sheep you guys on any of the other three there.

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:17 am

In post 1240, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1238, Treblesome wrote:I agree that RR is town
I'm not really there.
RR possesses the obliviousness to make the Lady kill. I also can't readily think of a town reason he was targeting Lady with whatever his apparently non-protective role is.

I did believe the masonizer claim, and that claim is why I targetted them. But I did not kill them.

Radical Rat · Post Post #1254 (isolation #88) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:18 pm

Ah, then yeah scum has a strongman. Or a roleblocker perhaps...

Idk how RC got Neighborizer out of my softs, but I'm actually a doctor that gets a new modifier every time I use my ability. I tried to save L&T, but clearly that didn't work, and gained non-consecutive night, so no target N2.

That's why I didn't want CommKnight to save Treblesome, I've got that covered, without sacrificing myself in the process. Though I suspect now that I've claimed this I won't live much longer

Radical Rat · Post Post #1257 (isolation #89) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:44 pm

Yeah, I thought about that but with Madvillain ALSO claiming neighborizer, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have worked anyway...

Hopefully it was a strongman kill not interference though. Or if we hold off on Scorp since the game is basically solved now, we might wind up lynching the one who screwed with my heal.

Radical Rat · Post Post #1258 (isolation #90) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:44 pm

Or we could lynch Scorp and hope that saves you too.

Radical Rat · Post Post #1259 (isolation #91) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:49 pm

In post 1258, Radical Rat wrote:Or we could lynch Scorp and hope that saves you too.

Actually yeah, I think this is the best way to do this.
Objections?

Radical Rat · Post Post #1263 (isolation #92) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:21 pm

While I can't really verify this without trying, my theory is that he'd still have to be alive to kill you.

You've been dragged into the sewers, but you should be able to just climb right out without anyone there (alive) to kill you.

Radical Rat · Post Post #1265 (isolation #93) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:39 pm

VOTE: Scorpious

Radical Rat · Post Post #1275 (isolation #94) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:35 am

Well that takes care of the Steel townread.

I do believe we have everything squared away then?

Radical Rat · Post Post #1276 (isolation #95) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:36 am

In post 1271, Scorpious wrote:
In post 1262, Treblesome wrote:At the very least it would explain why scum are refusing to bus, though obviously there's other possible reasons.

Yeah, like me being town..

Why would you being Town make scum NOT want to lynch you?

Radical Rat · Post Post #1280 (isolation #96) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:14 am

In post 1274, Steel wrote:I kind of want to ignore all the setup garbage and wifom and lynch madvillains on read.

THIS is what ruined my townread on you, not your inactivity.

There is no WIFOM.

Myself, TTH, Antitown, and Treblesome are all confirmed Town.

Scum has to be in you, Scorpious, Madvillain, and Carcalilly.

We know there to be both, a framer, and either a strongman or roleblocker on the scumteam.

This means that I can't guarantee my heal will be successful, so lynching Scorpious, who is 75% likely scum based on numbers, before the kill goes through is the best chance we have at keeping Treble alive, and preventing two Townies from dying tonight.

Radical Rat · Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:50 am

So you're telling me that TTH is a scum cop?

I suppose Treble isn't "confirmed" confirmed, but myself and everyone I still trust are townreading them, so I'm feeling pretty good about that read.

Radical Rat · Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:57 am

In post 1284, Scorpious wrote:I am willing to bet there are 3 scum.. lynching me pretty much gives scum the game becausr it saves Treble's ass.

In post 905, Scorpious wrote:
In post 904, Treblesome wrote:I'm not leaving alive a vig who is making these shots.

Doesn't matter.. you still die

Alright, so which of these is in your role PM and which is the one you made up to try to avoid the lynch?

Radical Rat · Post Post #1291 (isolation #99) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:19 pm

In post 1290, Carcalilly wrote:Mad and anti are scum

Anti has an inno result.
Try again.

Radical Rat · Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:20 am

VOTE: Carcalilly

Now we're in MyLo 4 realz if I'm not mistaken. I'll do my best to keep healing but since we still don't know what stopped my L&T heal, there's no guarantee I can actually save anyone.
Plus, scum would have to be exceptionally bad not to kill me tonight, and I can't heal myself.

Carcalilly has been on my radar since D1, and I know my reads haven't been perfect this game, but idk what else to do here.

Radical Rat · Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:20 am

On the bright side, since we're still playing that means we've only got two scum instead of three

Radical Rat · Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:28 am

Conftown, no room for doubt:
Anti - Cop inno
Me - Doc to Treble's backup
Treble - Backup to my doc

Could go either way:
Mad and Steel
Mad doesn't seem to have been reading super well, but idk if that's Town or Scum laziness
Steel... A lot sketchier recently than he was early game, but I'm not certain

That leaves Carcalilly, one of my most consistent, if not super strong, reads that others have been suspicious of as well. I firmly believe this to be our best lynch today.

Radical Rat · Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:16 am

In post 1337, Carcalilly wrote:hi

10/10, best defense

Radical Rat · Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:26 am

In post 1325, Steel wrote:He's flipping scum.

In post 1326, Steel wrote:Note how given the role claims scum should be confirmed from both his, madvillains and carcalilly's viewpoints but they act like it's day 1.

If you aren't picking out one claim as false the game is literally narrowed down into 3 people from this pool.

Doctor and backup doctor claims confirm each other and TTH cop with an inno is necessary for the setup to not be incredibly scum sided.

Madvillains appealing to me speaks to playing towards tomorrow rather than focusing on today which hints at knowing scorpious is red, that today is already a forgone conclusion and the game will continue on.

In post 1327, Steel wrote:The classic tell is akin to LYLO where scum gets into a 1v1, but instead of realizing that would make the other person scum from their perspective they continue to play to both sides and profess no idea as to what's going on.

In post 1328, Steel wrote:Granted I suppose my confidence is too high as well and suggests I know he's flipping scum but I firmly believe a town scorpious would have been lynched day 1 or 2 to begin with.

I know you're V/LA Steel, but if you could talk about this when you get a chance, that'd be great

Radical Rat · Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:34 am

In post 1339, Carcalilly wrote:also why is mad still alive

VOTE: madvillian

Why do you think they shouldn't be?

Radical Rat · Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:05 pm

In post 1347, Madvillain wrote:also can anyone else confirm that comm used his lightning rod other than the very likely chance he did because my role failed

I think you're the only one left alive who even could confirm that.
Aside from scum anyway.

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:36 am

It is possible, unless it was a Strongman that got through my kill, not a roleblocker.

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:37 am

UNVOTE:
As per RC's request.

Though I really don't see myself voting anywhere else today

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:45 pm

RC.
What do you hope to accomplish with a no lynch?

I die tonight, no way around that.
But what makes you think it will be easier to lynch scum with less Town alive?

It'd be one thing if there were a chance of them killing outside of conftown, but uh. I don't foresee that happening.

Right now, half the playerlist is conftown, and we seem to agree on Madvillain being Town.

We NEED to lynch scum TODAY if we want to win. We gain nothing from waiting.

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:45 pm

VOTE: Carcalilly

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:18 pm

Is your PT with Madvillain active now, or only at night?

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:30 pm

I really don't like this plan.

Yesterday, maybe. But I think it's too risky now.

What if scum doesn't do whatever it is you want them to?

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:36 pm

Alright. I will concede, but if we lose this, I will have some very strong words for you post game.

VOTE: No Lynch
God, I hope I don't regret this...

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:34 pm

In post 1378, Carcalilly wrote:I can claim?

Yes, PLEASE claim

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:44 pm

In post 1389, Treblesome wrote:UNVOTE:

actually I might die here

Nah, I'll be healing you tonight, just in case they want to try that.

I lied about healing you last night, placing my faith in that you couldn't be killed by a dead man, so I could have my heal tonight when it mattered more.

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:12 pm

I don't remember any giant spiders in It....
Might be something else?

Radical Rat · Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:43 pm

In post 1395, Antitown wrote:No lynch is a horrible idea today but whatever I can't keep seem to keep horrible lynches from taking place this game.

I know, but apparently RC has something up his sleeve that makes it a good idea. Idk, but Town Solidarity is better than sitting around being stubborn about it for two weeks.

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:41 am

In post 1399, Madvillain wrote:wait rc are you saying you dont have a town wincon lol

You think he's a scum backup doc?

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:18 am

Hm.

So, if you are Town, you heal me, I heal Treble, and then scum Probably kills Anti. Since I've just laid out our heals.

Alternatively, you could heal Anti, I still die, Treble becomes a full doc.

So here's what I'm thinking.
If you're Town, you're key to stopping the kill.
If you're scum, I die and we're down to whatever it is RC's cooking up in there.
If scum knows who you'll heal, they'll just kill elsewhere.

So flip a coin tonight. If heads, heal me, if tails, heal Anti.
The only way for scum to guarantee their kill goes through is to kill outside of our three conftown.

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:36 am

He's not.

He half claimed it a long time ago.

And Carca's a Jack of All Trades it seems like, not really a second doc. If she dies, I don't think RC's Doc activates.

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:41 am

I'm still not convinced that Carca's Town, but we aren't getting a lynch through without RC's cooperation anyway.

This at least gives a sort of safety cushion for when/if RC's scheme fails.

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:42 am

In post 1408, Madvillain wrote:who are the three conftowns then??

Myself, Treblesome, and Antitown

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:46 am

He is.
I never said he wasn't.

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:47 am

OH I SEE THE CONFUSION

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:47 am

In post 1407, Radical Rat wrote:He's not.

He half claimed it a long time ago.

And Carca's a Jack of All Trades it seems like, not really a second doc. If she dies, I don't think RC's Doc activates.

I meant he's not LYING

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:16 am

There have been three nights, not two.

The thread title lies

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:33 am

In post 1418, Carcalilly wrote:I won't claim my other action for reasons.

So you're claiming

N1 - Roleblocked
N2 - Cop TTH
N3 - Mystery Action

?

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:46 am

Bullshit.

N2 was when TTH copped you, which means there was no guilty on you at that point. I thought maybe you just miscounted because of the inaccurate thread title, so I gave you the chance to correct it on your own.

Yet you've only confirmed the contradiction.

Sorry RC, not letting this go now
VOTE: Carcalilly

Radical Rat · Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:18 am

Go read the thread. There have been three nights.

The first night is when Scorp started his shot, Firebringer and L&T died
The second night is CommKnight fired his lightning rod, and TTH claimed the guilty on you.
The third night is when Treblesome was scheduled to die had we not lynched Scorp, and when TTH died.

This is day four

Radical Rat · Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:41 am

Well fuck.

GG RC, ya done got me good.
A scum backup doc.... How devious. Villainous you might say even.

Radical Rat · Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:29 pm

In post 1444, CommKnight wrote:Also here's my question... IF I used my lightning rod when my role had no MILLER augmentation to it, why did people not go with the guilty? That should've been a dead giveaway since I would've came back as innocent.

Because Madvillain apparently forgot who they targetted.
If they had claimed they targetted you, Carcalilly would have been lynched right there.

Radical Rat · Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:33 pm

That was the only reason I believed CommKnight used his ability since he said he wasn't going to.

Radical Rat · Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:55 pm

WAIT JUST A DARN SECOND THOUGH

THIS SETUP WAS INVALID AND I DEMAND A REMATCH

Radical Rat · Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:56 pm

WALUIGI IS NOT A VILLAIN

HE IS A HERO