this is scum
In post 40, Robbnva wrote:Sup
this is also scum
Scumbuddies confirmedIn post 60, Boonskiies wrote:This can be town for now. I think in a similar fashion. Plus, I think it would be kind of funny if he started to argue with me, because then it shows...NO ONE IS SAFE FROM THE ROBB!!!In post 46, Robbnva wrote:I'm not even going to waste my time arguing with anyone who thinks I'm scum
Like I really don't care what y'all think about me.
Nope.
KIn post 104, Mint Berry Crunch wrote:VOTE: Dunker
Good to know. If you feel like trying to change my mind on your slot, let me know.
idk i guess i forgot to vote earlierIn post 116, Robbnva wrote:You already said that. Why does somebody voting cause you to actually vote now? You could have voted me earlier
i didn't know which of my scumreads to vote so i just didn'tIn post 130, Penn and Teller wrote:how do you forget to vote?In post 118, Dunkerdoodles wrote:idk i guess i forgot to vote earlierIn post 116, Robbnva wrote:You already said that. Why does somebody voting cause you to actually vote now? You could have voted me earlier
seriously. how?
also dunkey ur gonna need to explain these votes a bit more. Im not sure if ur trying to do a reversal of jungle republic and go off ur gutreads instead of sheeping as sheeping went really bad for you.
-ntrp
I was going to go back and see who to vote but I forgot to do that. Sorry if it was unclear. Anyways I was getting more scummy vibes from Robb than Dunn so I voted himIn post 136, Dunnstral wrote:But I thought the reason was that you forgot to vote? So did you forget to vote or did you not know which of your scumreads you wanted to vote? What was it that prompted you to vote for Robb?In post 134, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i didn't know which of my scumreads to vote so i just didn't
Btw I don't really think he's scum anymore
VOTE: Famethyst
i'm going to assume you are a PR, Mega-Macho (yes that's what im calling it) Vanilla Townie doesn't make a whole lot of senseIn post 142, Drixx wrote:Perhaps. The point was that whenever I end up dying, people should be aware that their role actions may have been impacted in some way. Once someone decides to attempt to kill me, nothing at all can stop that. No redireciton, blocking, jailing, doctoring, etc...In post 126, Dunnstral wrote:That's a lot of words to say you can't be stopped from dying if targeted with a kill
That means my negative utility could impact others. I thought it best to be as thorough as possible.
it actually makes no sense to claim that tho if he is actually what he says he is.In post 148, Aristophanes wrote:We obviously view this claim extremely differently...In post 145, Dunkerdoodles wrote:hold up, this actually makes no sense.
if this is real, and you are town why in the world would you claim this? you literally are just going to die n1 and no one can save you because of your ability. you basically just killed yourself by claiming this.
you said you claimed this so people would know if you died why they're actions didn't work on you but if you died wouldn't you just flip your role card and then people could figure out you're mega macho and then they could realise why they couldn't save you.
basically, unless i'm missing something you have no reason to claim this as town which means you are fakeclaiming therefore you are scum.
VOTE: Drixx
but even if town did use their action on him it wouldn't be wasted because he'd be dead...In post 153, Aristophanes wrote:Because he doesn't wan't town to waste their actions...In post 152, Dunkerdoodles wrote:but he's literally asking scum to kill him and town can't do anything about it...
because he's fakeclaiming and is scum...In post 156, Aristophanes wrote:Only if he gets targeted!In post 154, Dunkerdoodles wrote:but even if town did use their action on him it wouldn't be wasted because he'd be dead...In post 153, Aristophanes wrote:Because he doesn't wan't town to waste their actions...In post 152, Dunkerdoodles wrote:but he's literally asking scum to kill him and town can't do anything about it...
With his claim, he may be left alive as Wine and he has let Protectives know to go elsewhere, raising their chances of succeeding!
We're obviously at a theory difference here so how about we move on.
What is the point in voting for someone you are positive will be tonight's target?
me no understanderinoIn post 158, Aristophanes wrote:In post 157, Dunkerdoodles wrote:because he's fakeclaiming and is scum...You're doing their job for them preemptively.In post 156, Aristophanes wrote:he may be left alive as Wine
Man you're good!
ok fine, i guess i'll believe you. what does a little newbie know anyways?In post 162, Drixx wrote:Dunkerdoodles; this isn't a newbie game. I'm not experimenting with something new here. I'm alerting the town to negative utility. This allows town to avoid wasting anything protective on me, and sure ... scum can kill me if they want. There is positive utility to being the night kill in some circumstances. There's also the hedge utility of it. Generally speaking though, neg utility is claimed immediately or not believed. Thus, I claimed it immediately.
I will admit that the byplay was a little bit amusing though.
I pushed it because the claim didn't make sense to meIn post 218, Zachstralkita wrote:like lol, drixx claims and he pushes it.
i don't like this post. i don't know what it's called, but i know it's a common scum tactic where instead of reponding to scumreads and cases on you, you just dismiss it like "you're case is stupid" or "you have no reason to scumread me" or something like that.In post 46, Robbnva wrote:I'm not even going to waste my time arguing with anyone who thinks I'm scum
Like I really don't care what y'all think about me.
ok sorry, i haven't played with him before so i didn't know his meta. sorryIn post 317, Wake1 wrote:Dunkerdoodles, that's Robb's meta.In post 314, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i don't like this post. i don't know what it's called, but i know it's a common scum tactic where instead of reponding to scumreads and cases on you, you just dismiss it like "you're case is stupid" or "you have no reason to scumread me" or something like that.In post 46, Robbnva wrote:I'm not even going to waste my time arguing with anyone who thinks I'm scum
Like I really don't care what y'all think about me.
i also don't like how he doesn't seem to have any solid scum or townreads, but still has opinions on who to lynch when people ask him.
robb is my top scumread atm, the only thing is i think he softed but im not sure.
i also didn't like dunn's entrance, but he hasn't really done anything else scummy so idk.
i also agree that boon feels off, but i guess it's irl stuff so it's NAI i guess.
wake feels really townie
He plays like that.
Don't push him on how he plays.
my metaIn post 331, Dunnstral wrote:...who's scumreading DD for meta?In post 327, Wake1 wrote:I was going to say that like Robb, DD shouldn't be Scumread for meta.
I've played a handful of games on this site (maybe 5 or 6) and a few more on my homesite (7 or 8) but I'm still reletively new to forum mafiaIn post 346, Wake1 wrote:I don't really buy that you're inexperienced, but that's neither here nor thereIn post 344, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i have a tendency to follow experienced players and sheep them, because often i trust them more then i do myself, then i get scumread for not having my own opinions, then i get scumread for having bad opinions, which makes me go back to sheeping experienced players. it's almost like an infinite loop really.
i also think you're scum ftr, i just can't exactly put my finger on it (aka im gutreading you scum)In post 372, Dunnstral wrote:So what exactly have I done that you think is scummy?
There's nothing inherintly scummy about changing my vote so you're going to have to explain this
why not?In post 429, Dunnstral wrote:I'm not a good lynch
idk gutread, but i'm strangely very confident in this one.
scum is my favorite.In post 935, Drixx wrote:I never understood why people would decide to skip playing when they draw scum. Being the informed minority is amazingly liberating.
I scum read you because whenever someone scumread you you just ignored it and even blatantly said so. i find this is a common scum tactic where like 1 person will announce a scumread on someone and the person will just respond with like "ur so dumb i can't believe you scumread me" or like "im obv town stop scumreading me" or something like that.In post 913, Robbnva wrote:another player has asked you to explain your scum read on me. Why have you not responded.In post 911, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i am trying to find scum. i have scumreads, it's just no one else scumreads you, not a lot of people scumread P&T, so i figured there was no real reason to push them and i would just go along with what the majority want which is me i guess.
there's no real reason for me to be in this game anymore, so may aswell just hammer me now.
why don't you explain what about my claim you don't like
why didn't you admit your mistake that you made earlier when you claimed I only claimed because I had a guilty result when that wasn't true at all?
you do realize it doesn't matter if other people disagree with you, you can still push on me and convince others to get me lynched. I never stop pushing my scum reads just because people don't agree with me. I try and make them see my point.
Right now people are town reading me because of meta. Meta is a shitty reason to town read somebody. Why not push that and make people give better reasons? why are you afraid to make waves?
You aren't a n00b anymore, so why are you acting like one?
i was mainly scumreading paul but i always scumread him so he's probably town. keychain's head makes me also think this slot is town and i keep second guessing myself whether paul is town or scum, but i retracted the scumread for now on your slot, i think i mentioned that somewhere already but maybe notIn post 940, Penn and Teller wrote:Okay! Now we're getting somewhere. I also asked about your reads on us and on Ari, could you explain those more?
Right. So. I think I figured out where you're getting this from - Wake said not to push Robb based on playstyle early on, didn't he?In post 939, Dunkerdoodles wrote:apparently you always play like this so idk if it's just how you play or if it's actually scummy.
You don't need everyone else to think someone is scum for them to be scum. If you think they are, your job is to make everyone else realise it. People need to be convinced before they'll decide you're right. So convince them.Dunkerdoodles wrote: whenever i push my scumreads i either get pushed massively for them or they're just wrong. i have scumread and i want to push them, it's just that there's no one for me to push with.
And to be worried about being pushed for your reads is not a townie mentality, though while NTRP is gone I can't verify whether it's NAI for you. If you're a townie your job is to lynch scum, so do it! If people scumread you for that, figure out if they're misguided town or malicious scum and act accordingly.
Dunkerdoodles wrote: I scum read you because whenever someone scumread you you just ignored it and even blatantly said so. i find this is a common scum tactic where like 1 person will announce a scumread on someone and the person will just respond with like "ur so dumb i can't believe you scumread me" or like "im obv town stop scumreading me" or something like that.
your claim is just so.. weird. like, a compulsive visitor to a dead person is just a weird role imo. ik if it's real it's to mess with trackers/watchers etc but idk it seems weird. it kinda makes sense i guess? if we were to know the other roles im sure it would make more sense.I actually find someone ignoring scumreads on themselves to be townie. Town knows that a scumread on them is wrong and not worth addressing. Why do you think it's a common scum tactic and not a town trait?
Gravedigger is a thing. If you check the wiki it's mentioned in a number of places, though it doesn't seem to have a page itself. There's a number of roles designed to cause confusion like that, and it seems plausible given Fame's claim. What do you think of MBC's claim, then? I find that one much weirder.
I can handhold you if it means you'll contribute. I'm confused too. But I think you're probably scum who is leaning hard on that confusion to explain why you have no reads that make any sense.
1. that is angleshooting and i think it's kinda a bad reason to scumread someone. it's also frowned upon on my homesite (idk about here) so yeah.In post 1018, Robbnva wrote:No posts from dunkers in 4 days yet he's logged in all weekend in addition to the scummy stuff he's done this game is essentially a scum claim.
It's like the game that just ended where creature lurked and did nothing and flipped scum. This is the same situation as far as I'm concerned.
Anyone against his lynch isn't trying to find scum.
Wagon ho on dunkers.
dang, you got meIn post 1020, Robbnva wrote:^ scum confirmed
In post 942, Penn and Teller wrote:You mentioned them, yes, but they didn't make a lot of sense, which is why I'm asking for more details.
Here is the relevant part of your readslist:I saw the read on Ari and I think it's sketchy. It came out of nowhere, when he is currently the other wagon. I want you to elaborate on the bolded because what you've got just feels like you pushing his lynch solely because it's not yours.In post 904, Dunkerdoodles wrote:Ari: Some early interaction with boon, ik it's RVS and it shouldn't matter but i thought i'd mention it.
Spoiler: (posts spoilered for length by Key)
these posts above do feel like distancing.
also was very involved when i scumread drixx for his claim, this could either be legit however the whole thing kinda feel like a grab at towncred.
for reference:
138 148 151 153 156 158 160
also looking back, drixx is a better player later on in games so if scum leave him alive as wine it could harm scum as drixx is a good town player and could help us catch scum later on.
the rest of ari's ISO feels scummy too.
i think this is scum, however not too sure.
...
P&T: after looking at ISO i retract my gutread on them i was probably getting too hasty and trying to fine things to scumread without really thinking about it.
i had just noticed the 2 opening post related to boon in his ISO, i think they're actually really telling of a scumteam between them.
i also believe i mentioned this, but everyone else scumreading ari makes me scumread ari more just because i know i'm not being stupid or my read is terrible because other people agree with it.
The read on us has jumped all over, and for it to be gone now when you initially said you were "strangely confident" seems incredibly inconsistent. So you're townreading me and can't decide on NTRP? That goes a little way towards the explanation I'm trying to get out of you. What in particular makes you feel that way?
idrk, but yeah i townread you and ntrp is sorta null. paul i always scumread when he is town so i'm being careful.
This is a good point, but you contradict yourself. So you think he's overdoing a towntell a bit, and that's why he's scummy? Or you think it's easy enough to imitate that it becomes a nulltell since it's just as likely to come from either alignment?Dunkerdoodles wrote: also on the bolded, i agree with this however i feel scum could also easily coast this point to victory. like, if you were scum and you ignored every scumread against you and you got townread for that it would be a pretty easy win would it not? i also feel like scum!robb is sweeping this game if i didn't scumread him since everyone else townread's him i think.
If you think Robb is scum and you're the only one who has noticed, thenconvince us. Prove it! Give me evidence. Explain why he's scum. NTRP has said that you've been accurate before.
i have seen other people do it which is why i'm wary of it, i feel like he's just coasting on the fact everyone townreads him while he could still be scum.
i town read because you make sense and i like your tone.In post 1046, Penn and Teller wrote:YeahIn post 1033, Dunkerdoodles wrote:idrk, but yeah i townread you and ntrp is sorta null. paul i always scumread when he is town so i'm being careful.
But
This doesn't answer my question?
I askedwhyyou townread me. What makes me worth townreading? I just recently completed a game as town where a scum player told me postgame that he BSed an excuse to townread me so I'd leave him alone, so can you see why I'm suspicious that you've switched your read on us based on me? I need more of a reason.
So when I said "can you elaborate on what in the rest of Ari's ISO feels scummy" you thought I would be happy with you reiterating why his opening RVS posts make him scum with Boonskiies? And not mentioning the rest of his ISO at all?Dunkerdoodles wrote: i had just noticed the 2 opening post related to boon in his ISO, i think they're actually really telling of a scumteam between them.
i also believe i mentioned this, but everyone else scumreading ari makes me scumread ari more just because i know i'm not being stupid or my read is terrible because other people agree with it.
You also did not mention Ari a single time (iirc) before your random out-of-the-blue scumread, so it feels very much to me like you just conjured it up because he's currently the alternative lynch to you. Not because you think he is actually scum.
Sheeping popular opinion also makes no sense - you can't think "everyone thinks this person is scum, they must be scum" when one of your reasons for scumreading Robb is everyone townreading him!
Why aren't you pushing Robb, now that Drixx agrees with you? And also why did you avoid answering me the first time by lurking out?
oh hey Drixx, why wasn't that post a vote on Robb considering what you said earlier and also could you answer my questions from earlier please?Drixx wrote:I'm back. I'm sort of interested in seeing where this P&T thread goes.
What sort of interests you here?
agree with this 100%In post 1048, MariaR wrote:Dunkers posting is upset town I'm ready for this day to be over zzz I'm bored