Mini 1927: Breaking Bad Mafia - Game Over

[mozamis]

VOTE: robbnva

Lynch all liars.

Nervous, reaching scum.

VOTE: Backhand

[mozamis]

well, at least this game hasnt gone mental unlike the last one i was in (record i think for number of posts!).
Gut telling me uzi town, fos Vax for being so reasonable. VAGUE READS THOUGH.

Cool, that should eb enough to get me lynched by the time i wake up :p

[mozamis]

@ Chick - what are your reads so far?

re: uzi - I've had 2 games with him, one where he was town, one where he was scum. As town he seemed happier, as scum he was uptight. His opening post seemed friendly, more town uzi.
I cant emphasise enough how much this is a provisional read. But i think any reads are better than none, they get discussion going, and hopefully force scum to start taking stances, which they don't like doing.

[mozamis]

I want people to say stuff

town.

[mozamis]

edo L-3?
Prob best if no one else votes in case scum are bold and all vote. (assuming 3?)

[mozamis]

I feel like we got unmotivated Wisdom this game.

Such a shame.

or he is scum? I know i m much more active when i am town.

[mozamis]

I seriously want you to explain to me how you have ANY SORT OF READ, provisional or otherwise on LUV based on one post.

already explained it in the previous post. It was a gut, instintive read based on meta. No biggy.

[mozamis]

They're seeming rather stubborn.

that should tell you something, yeah?

Look, drop the patronising shit, ok? It's so important for town to not destroy ourselves, thats how scum normally win.
Going from your aggressive "dog-with-a-bone" approach, you look town, so it would be good if you could at least try and be semi-rational and not just shout at me. I respond badly to aggression.
Point being: I didn't know Uzi made this post every single game. it looked friendly, and TOWN UZI IS FRIENDLY, that was my point.
Just for the hell of it, I'm gonna check those two Uzi games now.
But it doesn't really matter, since i was going off memory/vague feeling.

[mozamis]

ok, fair enough, in his scum game, "Jungle Republic" (WHERE I NALIED THE WHOLE SCUM TEAM ON THE FIRST PAGE, HAVE I MENTIONED THAT YET LOL),
Uzi's first post was:
"Hey Guys
What's shaking?"

[mozamis]

so i guess he was friendly there.
My bad.
Still, watch out for my read of Uzi, i nailed him as scum quickly in that game.

[mozamis]

I can see where you're coming from but I'm not sure it warrants a vote at this time

on the fence.
pos scum.

[mozamis]

almost 50 looks arsey, aggressive, "fuck you, I'm right" attitude so beloved of town, much like myself.
So he is town.
P.o.e conitnues!
Moz, Rob, Chick, Almost = town
3 scum out of remaining 9!
OH IT'S JUNGLE REPUBLIC ALL OVER AGAIN! WOOT WOOT!

[mozamis]

ok, note to self do not lynch Rob, Chick or Almost today!

[mozamis]

One can hardly expect caught scum to be aknowledging my virtuous crusade that can only be characterized as the epitome of marvelous scumhunting.

nervous, trying too hard? FOS.

[mozamis]

VOTE: chickadee

this is a nonsense vote. she is very town.

vote wisodom

[mozamis]

VOTE: WISDOM

[mozamis]

Well we shouldn't be encouraging anti-town behaviour especially when it comes off as scummy

TOTALLY AGREE. lazy town/anti ttown stuff is gold dust for scum.
if you are town wisodm, make some sort of effort.

[mozamis]

Seems too scummy to be scummy.

wifom.
FOS.

[mozamis]

Ok, so early reads list:


Town: Moz
Chick
Almost
Rob

Pos scum: Wisdom
Danny Boy
Backhand
Vecna

Null: Everone else.

[mozamis]

@ gerry, uzi - time to whack down a vote, chaps!

[mozamis]

btw any vague town read on Uzi has now gone, through lack of effort on his part.

[mozamis]

VOTE UZI

[mozamis]

VOTE: UZI

Just havent seen any signs of town uzi. V/la until Fri? Could be bollocks.

[mozamis]

@ MOD - what is considered acceptable for V/la?

[mozamis]

chances are most of the preceding ferw pages have been mostly town.
people love to say activity is NAI,but in my experience, most scum teams have one person keeping them afloat whilst the others lurk around. Who knows, maybe Chixk, Almost and Vecna are all scum together, but it seems v unlikely.
And yes, I am up for lynching Lurkerss/anti town players day 1. theuy are always a WIFOM nightmare later on, "Hey, that guy has posted twice, we are in LYLO, how the fuxk do we get a read on him".
So we punish useless twats early.
We focus on Uzi, Gerry, Desperado, Edos and Danny because:
1) high chance of hitting scum.
2) If not we get rid of useless town.
I think the Vecna wagon could be a mistake, he sounded kinda town in his response to me and he looks like he's scum hunting.

[mozamis]

Wisdom looks like he wants to be the Rocket of the group and get everyone to hate him, but he's prob. town.

[mozamis]

Lets get some more votes on Uzi.
Bet his internet reception getss better...

[mozamis]

Uzi, Gerry, Desperado, Edos and Danny

Dear future confused Moz: THERE IS SCUM HERE.

[mozamis]

whoah hang on
catching up

[mozamis]

Lets not lync Vecna.
It might be annoying as fuck, but reaction tests are normally form town.
My gut feeling is that this actully clears both of them.

[mozamis]

VOTE: iDanyBoy

why the vote for Dannyboy though?
A lot of other people voted for Vecna, why Danny?

[mozamis]

I want a claim from Vecna

No, if he is town we dont want to give sscum a shopping list.
I understand that you are piised off, but lets try and keep clear heads.

[mozamis]

So P.O.E continues:

Town = moz, Chick, Almost, Rob, Vecna, Vax, Wisdom.

Scum in : Uzi, Gerry, Desperado, Danny, Edosurist, Backhand.

ok so 3 scum out of 6, we now have 50-50 chance of hitting scum day 1!

I'm gonna take Chick at her word for now and consider Uzis V/la to be genuine. (not saying he is town though)

VOTE DESPERADO

That vote for Danny looked weird.

[mozamis]

Damn, i have always voted like that

VOTE: VOTE DESPERADO

[mozamis]

sigh...
VOTE: DESPERADO

[mozamis]

look at my scum pool. Danny is in there.
My question was: why did Desperado vote for Danny, and not any of the others? Not that impressed by Desp answering my question with a question.
But @ Backhand: yeah, obv. he could be bussing.

[mozamis]

its strange to townread Vecna

How on earth is it strange to townread Vecna? I have literally never seen scum do a reaction test like that.
(yeah, sure, no doubt it has happened/will happened...but its very unlikely.)

[mozamis]

did you read his reaction to all of that?

just answer thhe question.

[mozamis]

so you think danny is scum

and you acknowledge that you read his serious or reactions to vecna's reaction test

but you're still confused about why i voted him??

i didnt say he was scum, i said he was in my scum pool.
Thanks for the misrep, though.

[mozamis]

why did you vote for him though? Lots of bad votes, why him?
personally i reckon you are bussing. You know vecna will flip town, you get paranoid about Danny putting him at L-1, so you vote Danny to give yourself breathing room.

[mozamis]

And to whoever said scum would never gambit like that... naive as fuck you are.

Nope. I'm experienced. Go thorugh all my games. theres lots of reaction tests. I'm ninety nine per cent sure they were all town.
Scum want to blend in. They might gambit. But not with fake vigging.
Look whats happend to Vecna for gods sake! great gambit, good bledning in lol

[mozamis]

scum team Des, Danny and Backhand?

[mozamis]

You know not all scum try to blend in right?

Of course. Like I sadi, I have played a lot of games. TYhe last game I was in, I was scum. I "blended" whilst scumpartner Mulch broke the record for number of posts, over a 1000 lol. He wasn't blending...
However, MOST do ( the other 3 of us all blended...)

But SPECIFICALLY: this seems a very unlikely scum gambit. Fake vigs ALWAYS piss people off. He's drawn so much attention to himself, and almost got himself lynched. It just looks like dumb town.
It just seems unlikely. Not impossible. But unlikely.

[mozamis]

Anyone in my scum pool is someone I would vote for. I vote for people I think are scum. If they're not really in my scum pool they're scum leans, or null scum.


I feel like a lot of this game has been people saying one thing, and it meaning something completely different to everyone else. (play style, scum pool, etc.)

Yeah, i know what you mean. That's why internet mafia is so hard, and why it is weighted towards scum. It is confusing.
However, to clarify:
I was P.O.Eing. i have seven people as town. So the rest are in my "scum pool", i.e POSSIBLE scum.

What do you think about Des and Danny scum?

[mozamis]

sorry the night phase on this site normally takes forever, didnt even check unitl now.
catching up.
like i said, day vigs arfe always town...sigh...
so i got that right...although iwas gonna come up gunning for uzi, so wrong there...
ANYWAY NO QUICJK LYNCHES. DO NOT GET ANYONE UP TO L-3.
we need to take our time. scum ar eobviousl yin a really good position but we can still rescue this if we keep our heads.
gut feeling is still that vax is telling the truth.
he semed really pissed off at the fake vig yesterday.

[mozamis]

so why was Uzi killed?

[mozamis]

brief overview: both gerry and vax town, scum faking that sort of shit is rare - i've only skimmed but it looks like vax and gerry are really going into detail so both prob town

[mozamis]

vote: idanyboy

why?
could you please give reasons when you vote people.

[mozamis]

careful backhand i havemt fully caught up yet.
but someone said yesterday (maybe Wisdom?) that Danny looks newish and maybe could be lynch bait.
so carefl.

[mozamis]

very unlikely to be scum.
a bit like: why would scum vecna do that fake vig yesterday ("lets draw llotss of attention to myself"), the sam eprobably applies to gerry here.
WE REALLY NEED TO START LOOKING AT THE "BLENDERS" NOT THE PEOPLE DRAWING SHIT LOADS OF ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES.

Again, Vax's response to ththe fake vig makes no sense if he is scum. As scum, he would have taken his time, probably faded away for a while, or made some really careful, considered post.
Not go "YOU FCUKING IDIOT YOU HAVE KILLED YOUR DOC!" or words to that effect.

[mozamis]

very unlikely to be a 3rd party in a mini btw.

[mozamis]

Desperado, your votes on Dany keep seeming odd. It was odd yesterday and it's odd today. It's kind of making me want to town read you, only because of our (admittedly limited) play history. But not quite enough.

So what is your read on Desp? This seems really vague.
And why do you think Uzi died?

[mozamis]

Not liking Edos. His first post of the day gives no reads, no thoughts on the game.

[mozamis]

Should I heal gerryoat? (@wisdom)

yes.

[mozamis]

here have been 3rd parties in normals that go through a review process. There certainly can be one in a theme that doesn't.

i have played a few of these. Never seen them
its very unlikely.
possible, but unlikrly.
lets not argue the toss though.
your likely town so we need to stick together.

[mozamis]

So keeping things simple, since its day 2.
I'm gonna give Almost a town pass again cos he looks liek he's scum hunting. or "game solving" to use the current bollocks jargon.

[mozamis]

no moz, you're just wrong. 9-3-1 is a pretty classic mini setup.

hey, let's get bogged down in set up spec!
who's the scum team Des?
Lots of reasons please.

[mozamis]

I also had Danny as my preferred lynch yesterday, so I'm voting him again today

why is Danny scum?

[mozamis]

and would actually recommend gerry NOT be cured/healed.

so you are saying Gerry is scum?
then why arent you voting for him.
Fos.

[mozamis]

I don't get how you guys thinking letting me die solves anything. you'll be at the same situation tomorrow with even numbers and less town. because someone else will be poisoned and Vax will likely die. I think Vax is town, i don't buy a 3rd party. Mafia likely has a kill and a poisoner. Vax healing me today proves that he is what he says he is, and imo clears him. Because I don't think we have a 3rd party and I don't think we'd have a poison doc that's mafia.

yep, agree with all of this.

[mozamis]

@ des - ALL i said was that i think 3 party is unlikely.
You are deleib. misrepping me.
You dont seem to be that interested in gamre solving. You reason for Danny never seems forth coming (cos he's ;ynch bait, right?), you see me as a threat so you are trying to undermine me, and you see gerry as scum...why?

The fact that you keep saying "danny is scum for the same reasons as yesterday" is a real scum tell.
if you were town, yo uwould know the reaons and keeep telling me them.
but you dotn ahve any reasons lol

[mozamis]

*dont have any reasons lol

[mozamis]

VOTE DESPERADO

[mozamis]

VOTE: moz

3rd party is probably most likely.

oh for ffs.
i doubt it, but even if it is, why does does that make me scum?

[mozamis]

cause now I actually have to try lol

this does worry me a bit.]
town gerry doesnt really try/ is borderline troll.


gerry back to null.

[mozamis]

This is along the lines of what I'm thinking too.

so your reads are?

[mozamis]

nah
Poisoner doesnt claim doc at dayvig

yes, this a good point. why on earth would the poisoner/sk whatever claim doc, thus invitng the nk on himself?

Vax is town.
So is wisdom. probably lol

[mozamis]

I don't want to lynch Desp today

why not? look at that vote he made on danny before we lynched town on day one. It seemed realy fcuking arbitrary.

[mozamis]

gerry reads poisoned mafia whos trying to be healed
Let him die

yeah i could be wrong about this.

it is odd how gerry - who NEVER tries - seems desperate to survive now.
I guess that means there is sk/poisoner?

so, yeah maybe dont bother healing gerry. If he is town, he is no big loss, sonce he wont try for long.
So, we lynch Desp and let gerry die?

SHIT HAVE I JUST BEEN POCKETED BY WISDOM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH GOD

[mozamis]

no hang on, don't we need confirmation of Vax's role? And only way of that is him healing Gerry?

[mozamis]

no, fuck it I'm bei ng unfair to erry. cant really WIFOM it and call him scum for trying. My initial gut feeling was hes town.
so yeah, heal him.
still up for lycning Dep though.

[mozamis]

Edo and Backhand are mostly null for me right now

why? they seem very "blendy to me"

.

[mozamis]

but I don't understand how he came to this conclusion.

this seems confused town.

yeah, lets not lynch Danny or kill gerry. Both seem "lynch" bait.

[mozamis]

Vax could very likely be poisoner, and his only way of avoiding a lynch was saying he was the healing doc of poisoner. Which is why we need to see if he's really a doc. Like I said, if we don't solve this now, we will be in a bad situation tomorrow and likely worse cause if vax is town mafia will be for sure getting a kill and a delayed kill from now on with vax likely dead tomorrow.

nah
Poisoner doesnt claim doc at dayvig

Yup.

There being three factions very much fits Breaking Bad thematically.

Wait! Do you mean it could be 9-2-2?

No--I mean, maybe but I don't have a reason to think that. Walter White SK would be my best guess.

VOTE: idanyboy

I think its very strange you had no comment on all the gerry stuff. What do you think about that?

this looks scummy.
Just voting the easy target FOR NO REASON.

[mozamis]

@ Bachand - all townies that die are bad for us. Last game i was in , there was a twn vig who kep killing town. we loved it as scum...
Yeah, if the doc is unlimted, then he should save gerry.
that post from you looks town.

[mozamis]

Ok, reads list day 2.

I have been all over the shop, but its stream of condciousness stuff - good for me, bad for you guys maybe lol

So town:

Moz
Backhand
Gerry
Vax
Robb

Null:
Wisdom
Danny

Pos scum:
Chick,
Almost
Desp.
Edos.

For the record, i found Chick's "oh, i'm gonna stay on Vecna wagon until oi know different" unconvincing, and her reads have been so fucking vague today.
Almost likewise seems very unemtional and vague.
Desp voted Danny for no good reason.
Edos - he's a fart in the wind, prob. SK if there is one.

Cool, game solved!

[mozamis]

also LUV was a weird kill and they know each other, she might have been worried about him reading her?

lol thats why i asked her about why Uzi was killed. I was hoping to trap her, ut i guess that wont happen now lol
but yeah, it is possible.

[mozamis]

ifi am wrong about Desp, then i reckon Wsidom is scum.
he seems a bit too omniscient.

[mozamis]

yeah i might be wrong about Desp.
he's being a real pain in the arse which is towny.

unvote

[mozamis]

VOTE: unvote

[mozamis]

easy tiger, i know you want a fight , but you're town so unlucky :p
i was asking Almost why he seesm to be saying you are scum, but not voting for you. I was attacking Almost, not Gerry.

[mozamis]

get to the end of my posts, wherei change my mind, and read you as town.

[mozamis]

every post from almost 50 seems long winded empty scum bollocks.
no reads.

[mozamis]

VOTE: ALMOST 50

[mozamis]

OK. Got it. You suspect EVERYONE.

at least he does suspect people.
difficult for you i know lol

[mozamis]

Yea, I'm gonna be that obvious and kill my boyfriend.

hey you do have a red role pm! thanks for sharing lol

[mozamis]

look at almost 591. vintage scum.
literally no reads, scum hunting at all.
but a whole lot of theory, lots of words, lots of verbeage lol
utter nonsense.

[mozamis]

What I do think is odd is Moza's insistence on me listing my reads.

i think you and almost are scum.
scum hate gving reads, because...they have to lie.
so yeah, i keep asking you and almost for reads.
note people like Rob, and Backahand, and Desp (ok, his read is mainly "Moz is a twat" lol -BUT ITS A READ) ARE GIVING OUT READS without being asked
because they are town.

[mozamis]

kinda prod dodge
been ill since sun
but thinking about the game, and maybe i'm worng about chick?
but almost. desp, edos arent town.

[mozamis]

catching up. i could do a danny lynch. i might being too lenient on him. i keep thinking "oh, he's playing too bad to be scum" but some scum just aren't very good.

[mozamis]

fuck it, 180 time.
Almost is SO IN THE FUCKING SPOTLIGHT. And he does seem to be giving out more reads. he went really theoretical for a while...but ultimately, th echances of him playing like this as scum are very small.
Lets stick to the obvious people!
Danny, Wisdom, Edos, Despo...there's scum here.

And the most obvious is Danny:

VOTE: DANNY

[mozamis]

@ Almost - lay off Rob. He's obv town.

[mozamis]

almost
wisdom

even though Wisdom keeps calling you scum you hvae him as strong town read?
Its unusual, to say the least

Wisdon, Desp, Danny scum team
Edos SK?

[mozamis]

(Desp bussing Danny, Wisdom bussing Desp etc, in case my thought process was opaque)

[mozamis]

oh Almost is odd noght cop.
Didnt get that at all.
well thagts fucking great.
why claim that now? aaaaaagh.

[mozamis]

You're taking the Piss, Right,

ypou gonna play nice and be a human being, or just gonna be another internt twat who doesnt give a shit about people?

[mozamis]

Danny, Wisdom, Edos, Despo...there's scum here.

what am i doing in here? You know theres an inno on me, right?

Assuming the claim is legit which I don't believe

not sure if i had caught up properly when i wrote that.
still, you could be Sk?
whatver, it was just a "overview" reads list. You dont look super town.

[mozamis]

Real cop wouldn't have done some over the top elaborate bread crumb of his role.

i think it fits his playstyle tbh

[mozamis]

asin i completely believe almost claim

[mozamis]

I have a clear on Wisdom and you call him part of a Scum team without me.
Why should I give a shit about you or people who post such ridicules comments like that?

i hadn't read that far, obviously.

[mozamis]

Lynch Danny
Kill Edos or Desp.

vedith ( we aint got off to a good start, but Almost was town, and i believe his claim) and Robb, gerry and Vax strongest town reads.
Anyone else could be scum/sk.

[mozamis]

Can someone confirm if Moza had Wisdom as Scum prior to A50 claiming?

i cant remember, i have gone back and forth on him. think i had him as town?

[mozamis]

"I haven't read the game but I'm going to say who obvious Scum is"

can you stop OMGUSing, and we'll call it quits.
i'm fully caught up now.
stop slagging me off. town need to saty united.

[mozamis]

So one of desp/edo/chick

go for edo. worst case we get rid of someone who doesnt seem that engaged.

[mozamis]

away from the game, i tired to think about the obvious. which always leads me to those not massively scum hunting. and yes lurkers -scum do like to lurk, i hinestly dotn give a shit what people say about that anymore, i have seen it so many times.
anyway wisdom fitted that category.
but he can only be sk.
if there is a SK. which as you say (and i said, but i got shouted down for even daring to say it) there may not be.

i don't know about chick. thought she was scum, but she's prob. town.
she's certainly not priority Today.

[mozamis]

happy to get rid of Edos
VOTE: EDOSURIST

[mozamis]

I feel the big name people are the fake claims but idk.

YEAH OF CHICK AND VEDITH ARE SSCUM we are screwed but i think it unlikely

whenever i think of this game, i keep forgetting about backhand
SO FUTURE MOZ@ DONT FORGET BLENDY BACKHAND WHO HAS PROB GOT YOU IN HIS POCKET

[mozamis]

soz caps *if chick and vedith
hammer

[mozamis]

desp and backhand are well clear of this, which doesnt bode well.

[mozamis]

ok, worst case scenario, so we are geared up for tomorrow if need be. Gerry town, edos town.

Scum in Desp, Backhand, Danny (how is danny still alive?)
and one other, which would have to Wisdom or Chick, although i'm not thaht happy about either of them.
Ultimately, I think Wisdom, although he has posted less quantity, has probably DONE MORE. Sometimes still get the whiff of vague BS from Chick, although she posts a lot.

[mozamis]

Airplane crashes, gerry was aboard and is presumed dead

cue: weird raggedy pink bear!

[mozamis]

f both are town kudos to whoever scum is

edos could be scum, i think gerry is town and you should have shot danny.
but it was tough choice so no worries

[mozamis]

It's weird for Gerry to die in a plane crash. I always expected a train wreck...

lol!
have you been working on that line for a while?

[mozamis]

actually shit. i mean, the obvious is that they are not bussing Danny, danny is lynch bait, and scum team is Desp, Backhand and Chick?

[mozamis]

maybe danny sk?

[mozamis]

yeah could be
just got a bit paranoid baout backhand, he is so nice lol

[mozamis]

effing hell what happened. literalljusogged in and its all over?
just saw a post about danny so guessin he was scum
Desp and Chick th eother two?
WGHT THE FUCK HAPPENED?

[mozamis]

Having doctor and backup doctor confirms my theory that poison doc is mafia imo.

VOTE: vax

I THOUGHT THEY WOULD KILL vAX HE WA CONF TOWN he cured town gerry why would scum doc do that
come on man!

[mozamis]

surel you guys didnt lynch Vax

[mozamis]

wow town lost thi
for fucks guys w ehad the scum team - me aqnd wisdonm did anyway
Rob, your reads were awful all game, mailnyl becuae you kep over complicating things,
fucking hell.
poor show guys.

[mozamis]

Thanks everyone. It was a great game.

luckiest win you'll ever have lol

[mozamis]

Giving scum a chance to reduce the lynch threshold in mylo was pretty shitty but whatever.

YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE VOTED IN Mylo maybe wait a bit, discuss options etc

[mozamis]

i don't know about chick. thought she was scum, but she's prob. town.
she's certainly not priority Today.

Yeah, you had the Scum team.

Chick i was least sure about.
I went into today thinking it was Desp, danny. And prob chick, tho i WAS bit paranoid about wisdom.
believe me or not, but P.O.E meant it had to be. ( I had ruled Vax out as conf town, Almost was obv town, rob was obv town. Desp and Damnyy were obv scum. So it was between chick and wisdom. But if you look at my last post, i said i thought wisdom was more likely town cos he "had done stuff unlike chick who was full of vague BS)
Who knows? Maybe chick may have fooled me, she was by far and way the scum teams best player.
But we should at the very least lynch dep and Danny first.

So yeah, i pretty much had the sscum team.

[mozamis]

Damn Moz, chill with the salt.

nope, i'm letting off some steam.
I put a lot of effort into this game, and i was shit hot again

[mozamis]

Town had amazingly good reads

also, the annoying thing is that for once, i thought town hada pretty good bloc going on.
I was confident that me Robb, Wisodm and vedith were all going to vote together.
Ah well.
Just a cock up i guess.

[mozamis]

thanks for the game mod! good flavoUr and stuff.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
Wsidom, you could be more helpful and less combative and lurky, cos YOU do come across as scummy. Which is a shame cos yur reads were great.

[mozamis]

"oh but moz activity is NAI"
danny and dep, danny and desp...