Mini 1928 - Villain Mafia - GAME OVER

[Antitown]

Considering all the talk and suspicion towards this slot, the lack of wagon formation is surprising.

VOTE: FUZZY

[Antitown]

If Treblesome mentions 'vocal patterns' one more time then they are probably scum.

[Antitown]

*EBWOP: Sorry just noticed they were correcting binsbulge. I take it back, if they mention it twice more they are probably scum.

[Antitown]

Actually please ignore my previous two posts altogether thank you.

[Antitown]

That's a rather awful line of reasoning.

[Antitown]

*EBWOP: Sorry just noticed they were correcting binsbulge. I take it back, if they mention it twice more they are probably scum.

Antitown's vocal patterns are extremely formal and rigid and it feels like they're trying to project a false image of confidence.

I feel like his vocal patterns would be more natural if he were town because right now it feels like he has to force every word through.

VOTE: Antitown

I feel if your vocal patterns were town, you would be voting for fuzzy.

[Antitown]

The position of one's hand has a direct effect on one's vocal patterns.

[Antitown]

Intelligent conversation may appear stupid to one who lacks intelligence.

[Antitown]

So do so.

[Antitown]

I forgot to claim that I am a Mason. Hope it's not too late!

[Antitown]

no, you're a mason traitor. Not supposed to claim yet!!!

Oh sorry, I could not resist looking up when the mod called out to the Masons.

[Antitown]

there no reason to believe the masons are faking......I don't see scum faking a mason claim here. Faking a Mason claim is pretty hard plus very dangerous

Okay scum are jumping on and likely pushing my wagon. I highly doubt this is a town based wagon. If my play is bad I do not see it being that bad.
My wagon is terrible.......

Kill this with fire.

[Antitown]

*EBWOP: Sorry just noticed they were correcting binsbulge. I take it back, if they mention it twice more they are probably scum.

Antitown's vocal patterns are extremely formal and rigid and it feels like they're trying to project a false image of confidence.

I feel like his vocal patterns would be more natural if he were town because right now it feels like he has to force every word through.

VOTE: Antitown

VOTE: antitown

What about that post made you believe I am scum?

[Antitown]

Why would pony need to "make excuses" now and why is she scum?

Who is pony?

I'm assuming whatever's in Carcalilly's avy is a pony.

Thanks.

VOTE: Carcalilly
Didn't care for her L-2 vote on RR when she "thought" he was a hydra containing RC and when she realized it wasn't a hydra with RC she unvoted without looking to vote the actual hydra with RC.

Have thoughts but will respond to this post in the near future.

[Antitown]

p.s. Vote Fuzzy havingfitz please, thank you!

[Antitown]

Why would pony need to "make excuses" now and why is she scum?

Who is pony?

I'm assuming whatever's in Carcalilly's avy is a pony.

Thanks.

VOTE: Carcalilly
Didn't care for her L-2 vote on RR when she "thought" he was a hydra containing RC and when she realized it wasn't a hydra with RC she unvoted without looking to vote the actual hydra with RC.

She is scum too but can we focus on Fuzzy first? I'll give you Carcalilly tomorrow if she is still alive then.

[Antitown]

antitown is nothing but bad vibes compared to fuzzy (RC why'd u switch kid)

I am offended.

Treblesome switched because of my vocal patterns were town and because Fuzzy is scum.

[Antitown]

What is your issue with its composition?

[Antitown]

I honestly don't understand why fuzzy is scummy

"Halp my scumbuddy is being wagoned and I don't know how to diffuse it."

[Antitown]

*EBWOP: Sorry just noticed they were correcting binsbulge. I take it back, if they mention it twice more they are probably scum.

Antitown's vocal patterns are extremely formal and rigid and it feels like they're trying to project a false image of confidence.

I feel like his vocal patterns would be more natural if he were town because right now it feels like he has to force every word through.

VOTE: Antitown

VOTE: antitown

What about that post made you believe I am scum?

I just felt like sheeping treble

I forgot to mention that I found this reasoning hilarious considering where Treblesome's vote is.

[Antitown]

Prod dodge.

[Antitown]

That is surely confusing but OK
Sorry man, you just ping me the most right now. Anti is next on my list.

That's interesting coming from you, considering your previously stated reasoning for voting me was "sheeping Treblesome", despite them having voted me for all of maybe 30 minutes at most.

[Antitown]

Not sure what I would do as scum in that situation but putting Fire at l-1 seems like it would be outside my normal MO

You put him at L-2. Not L-1. Defending yourself more than once based on a situation that didn't exist, and has been pointed out a few times, is lazy at best...misleading at worst.

VOTE: Fuzzy

It's also funny that his accusations this game have consisted of his wagon forming too quickly, despite it having only ever gotten to four votes at it's peak, when he was perfectly fine with piling onto the Firebringer wagon which was far larger.

His accusations for me being scum have been ludicrous, including me "jumping on a likely wagon", which could not have been further from the truth since there was no momentum on his wagon nor have I been cheerleading it on from the sidelines. I've been actively pushing for this lynch the entire game.

I still have no idea how anyone is seeing Fuzzy as town.

[Antitown]

Yes I did skim through their ISO first

1. Please clear this up for me: IS THAT A REAL MASON CLAIM Y/N
2. Good, small case starting to build on anti but you RUINED IT W A SNARKY VOTEEEE
3.

so we already got a lot of "too scummy to be scum" reads this game

fun fun

Pinging

the carcallily vote on me was pretty bad tho
but urh
i'll be a mason day two i promise u but im essentially a mason rn
these guys think im lying but im not lying


idk if antitown is scum, seems to cocky and confident, not sure. could maybe swing back there. currently not feeling trust in that read
i doubt im gonna get anything good from snarky, but he ain't town yet so


hiplop please

Your confusion this game due to not having access to your mason QT N1 is understandable. Your mason buddies have been busy dancing the weekend away (albeit different forms of dancing), so to give you some direction and clarity to your life, Fuzzy/Carcalilly are probably both scum so feel free to vote someday.

[Antitown]

Steel tellin it like it is. Definitely like him for town.

Who in this game is RC firebringer???

I'll give this more attention tomorrow by the way work has been swamped

It bothers me that you apparently have the wherewithal to have a townread on Steel, but don't know who RC is.

What is wrong with this exactly?

[Antitown]

Steel just got active, carcalily


Anyways would like more votes on Villian.

Ok
VOTE: madvillian

Counterwagon to Fuzzyscum lynch thanks for confirming Binsbulge as town.

[Antitown]

Oh just to make things fun, we can call Treblesome as the last scum if they do not vote Fuzzy in their next post or soon.

[Antitown]

Your 'serious' read on me for being scum this game has consisted of "sheeping Treblesome", which was a non-existant read, and agreeing with Fuzzy that I'm a "bad sheeper" on his wagon when I've probably been the most vocal about it.

That's some real srs bizness.

[Antitown]

Steel tellin it like it is. Definitely like him for town.

Who in this game is RC firebringer???

I'll give this more attention tomorrow by the way work has been swamped

It bothers me that you apparently have the wherewithal to have a townread on Steel, but don't know who RC is.

What is wrong with this exactly?

My instinctive conclusion is that he's not really keeping tabs on the game and the Steel read is fake.

*And he just threw out that read out there to look like he had reads.

Hit the sumbit too soon.

Interesting.

Why did/do you think Fuzzy is town by the way?

[Antitown]

It's not my defense, it's why you are scum.

[Antitown]

TTH and Madvillain need to take a break.

I believe in the masonry. We need to lynch Fuzzy so we can hit D3 as soon as possible and win.

[Antitown]

Can we not moonlogic?

I see no reason for pushing for that information at this very moment.

I am also of the opinion that Treblesome would do best by sheeping me today.

[Antitown]

Stop being bad.

[Antitown]

This game...

[Antitown]

I really don't like antitown either

Shocking, despite only false reasons given over the course of the entirety of this day.

[Antitown]

Yeah, this isn't a town win.
Scorpious claims to have an unroleblockable vig: let's leash the shot onto someone. If we do that with the stipulation that he gets lynched if he doesn't make the shot as we have said, I'm willing to vote elsewhere else.

I don't think that Antitown is scum. Can we vote Snarky?

I disagree, I feel that this should be an easy town win if we can get our heads together. The game seems super straight forward to me.

Snarky is a rather lazy lynch. Why do you want SS dead?

[Antitown]

Havingfitz is an awful wagon.

This Treblesome/Firebringer dance is distractingly noisy.

As far as I can tell, SS is lynchbait in every game he has ever played in and would make for a terribly lazy lynch this game considering we have players who have been actively scummy in Fuzzy and Carcalilly.

[Antitown]

That's awful.

[Antitown]

Just,

everyone not on Fitz + Scorpius needs to vote there
Fuzzy is town

X

[Antitown]

You aren't getting your lynch there
have you even given opinions other than Fuzzy for the most part


alright so when deadline comes round Antitown you're just not going to move your vote?

I have, I've been quite transparent on two of my three scumreads this game.

I'm not interested in Havingfitz nor Scorpious today so no not moving to either. It's Fuzzy or bust.

[Antitown]

For those who are suspecting Scorpious for some reason, Raya was quite obviously town.

[Antitown]

@Mod: You need to include replaced players in the OP.

[Antitown]

I believe their claim.

[Antitown]

Post after the weekend.

[Antitown]

Antitown
Treblesome
Steel, Radical Rat, Carcalilly
CommKnight
Madvillain
havingfitz, Scorpious

CommKnight's the "null" region.
How about you, Radical? If Scorpius isn't scum then who?

Why are you town-reading me, at the top of your list no less?

[Antitown]

I made the claim to cover for Hiplop claiming masonizer in thread so they wouldn't get guaranteed nightkilled and to get people off of Villains. There's no hood and no reveal.

I thought he was a masonrizer that was planning on targeting you and MadVillains hence why he said the alignments of the neighborhood would be clear come D3. What a troll.

[Antitown]

Vote: Carcalilly

@Mod: Can you please post end of day VC thanks.

[Antitown]

I believe that Scorpious will be as awful a mislynch as havingfitz was.

The fact that Scorpious got vilified for the Treblesome shot is bizarre considering there should have been no surprises that that is who he claimed to be shooting. If the lightening rod blocked the kill we won't be getting any information there which I was hoping to have with Treblesome's flip.

Regardless, I don't see the need to comment further this day, but I did want to get some thoughts out there to avoid a repeat of yesterday when I missed the end of day.

[Antitown]

I forgot to mention that it is absurd to me that anyone is still pursuing a Scorpious lynch after a SK flip. If the mod decided to add multiple SKs in after the inclusion of a survivor as is there will be words, but overall that seems highly unlikely.

[Antitown]

fucking lol information so you think that there's a chance I flip scum here?

Sure. At the very least I don't see the town motivation behind your actions thus far today.

I'm not moving this vote.

[Antitown]

was there any point where I was unclear that my expectation is that scorpious flips not sk, but mafia vigilante?

Sure. At the very least I don't see the town motivation behind your actions thus far today.

I'm not moving this vote.

Was there any point where you thought that you had the wherewithal to understand the town motivation behind anything that I've done?

I think your reasoning for wanting to lynch Scorpious over Carcalilly today as bad for town, regardless of your alignment. As town it is silly to ever want to stall the lynch of essentially confirmed scum. As scum it would allow you to stall the lynch of a buddy for a day while slotting in an additional mislynch.

I've seen a good town player venge-shoot a player they were absolutely convinced was scum over the actual confirmed scum, only for said target to flip town. It would not surprise me if the reasoning you provided is actually what you think as town, it would just make more sense coming from scum-Treble as it would be a great scum move.

[Antitown]

Firstly, I have nothing against you personally.

Secondly, turns out that fuzzy was part-survivor, which explained why he was acting so incredibly survivalistic.

But either way, the optimal lynch would be lynching Carcalilly and going from there. As for what my reads are, they're still in the midst of evolving and I need to evaluate further. Perhaps Madvillain is scum if you are town. Come to think of it I wonder if we are faced with 2 mafia or 3, considering the number of possible third party roles that have flipped thus far. 5 anti-town roles seems a bit much for a 13 player game to me.

[Antitown]

why do you think you understand setup design better than me? why do you think your reads are better than mine? who is it exactly that you're pointing to as scum if it's not scorpious?

I believe my understanding of setup design far exceeds yours if you really want to know. Of course, me giving you this response does not contribute anything positive to our conversation.

Essentially what you want to know is that I can follow the thought process behind Scorpious' claimed vig-shot and why there is no surprise as to why townScorpious would shoot you. The shot itself provides no indication as to his alignment at the very least. If you believe him to be scum, please summarize for me as to why, vig-shot aside.

[Antitown]

Firstly, I have nothing against you personally.

Secondly, turns out that fuzzy was part-survivor, which explained why he was acting so incredibly survivalistic.

But either way, the optimal lynch would be lynching Carcalilly and going from there. As for what my reads are, they're still in the midst of evolving and I need to evaluate further. Perhaps Madvillain is scum if you are town. Come to think of it I wonder if we are faced with 2 mafia or 3, considering the number of possible third party roles that have flipped thus far. 5 anti-town roles seems a bit much for a 13 player game to me.

When your play is to say fuck my reads I'm doing what I want that's pretty personal to me

That is not what I said in the slightest. I've been transparent throughout the game starting from day 1 as to why I find Scorpious to be more likely town than scum.

If by "fuck your reads" you are referring to my refusal to lynch your scumread over Carcalilly, then there is not much I can do for you if you choose to take that personally, though I would obviously rather you not.

[Antitown]

why do you think you understand setup design better than me? why do you think your reads are better than mine? who is it exactly that you're pointing to as scum if it's not scorpious?

I believe my understanding of setup design far exceeds yours if you really want to know. Of course, me giving you this response does not contribute anything positive to our conversation.

Essentially what you want to know is that I can follow the thought process behind Scorpious' claimed vig-shot and why there is no surprise as to why townScorpious would shoot you. The shot itself provides no indication as to his alignment at the very least. If you believe him to be scum, please summarize for me as to why, vig-shot aside.

Vig shot is all I need. Unless you're implying that town!Scorpious shoots me for pushing his wagon when there were much worse people, in his own words, who joined the wagon, I don't think that we're going to come to any sort of agreement here.

I'll take a look before commenting, but not tonight. I would have expected you to have more reasoning than this after two days though.

[Antitown]

Brilliant deductions setup design genius

Thank you.

[Antitown]

If that's what vonflare did it's a pretty clever design actually.

Granted, in no way does this clear Carcalilly as town, but it does seem we have to toss out the result sadly.

[Antitown]

I'll hammer whoever you guys settle upon.

[Antitown]

I really wish the mod could include votecounts for end of day at the very least so we can actually see who voted to lynch.

Now given we spent the last two days lynching my townreads I'm not voting elsewhere today.

Vote: Carcalilly

[Antitown]

No lynch is a horrible idea today but whatever I can't keep seem to keep horrible lynches from taking place this game.

[Antitown]

What a surprise, Carca was scum and Treble was scum defending her. That Scorpious push was god awful and I should have pressured Treble harder.

I'm curious as to how this game was balanced with three mafia, a SK, and essentially an additional 3P in Fuzzy because he played incredibly survivalistic.

[Antitown]

Also who made the shot? I figured we would lynch Carca and I'd get to save it for Treblesome the next night.

This is also why you do not simply no lynch when there is no town benefit to it.

Looking at the setup it does not seem balanced to me but oh well doesn't matter now.