Mini 520 - Triumvirate Mafia - ABANDONED

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm reading. Page 5. Spider Jerusalem is town. Just so you know. (I know these things.)

(Also, this is my 4000th post. I'm Uncursed! Woo!)

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Uh. Page 7 now, scumchat's distracting, I'll finish it tomorrow.

Vote: Miztef

, on account of him being a scum.

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I reckon that he is in fact often un-diplomatic. But in that un-diplomatic bluster, there is a strong undercurrent of the very behavior that he himself finds to be a strong scumtell.

Hypocrisy isn't a scum tell, so his opinion isn't that relevant here. Do

you

think it's a scum tell? If yes, why didn't you mention that straight away? If not, why are you attacking him over it?

Elmo: Snap! Then I really can't justify voting for him without having read the entire game. So I'll

unvote

for now.

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Time for some grade A awesomeness.

My gut gives you these 5 alignments:
Town:
Cephrir
TrustGossip
Rishi

Scum:
Miztef
Mastermind of Sin

I've read the entire game and frankly, if we don't lynch Miztef, we'll never lynch any claimed member of the triumvirate. I think it's worth it.

Vote: Miztef

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I stand by my position on Miztef, although that seems rather irrelevant at the moment. Cephrir, I had taken that into consideration, but that sorta thinking always turns out to be overly optimistic.

Also, I seem to have forgotten I actually have a concrete reason for considering MoS a hatless scumbag.

You see, when I first read about the mass claim, I thought: "Heck no, that's a terrible idea. A 4-8 split in claims would leave the triumvirate completely open to nightkills without giving us any info." So, when I saw MoS' post, I assumed it would shoot down the silly plan. Then I read it. But okay, people make mistakes, MoS' experience doesn't make him immune to terrible ideas. Occam's Razor told me he'd come to in a few posts and explain to the town why this was a bad idea. But he didn't. He actually pushed it. I find this unbelievable coming from a player of such experience, so I must conclude he can not be playing for the town's side.

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Counterclaim: I got the doc power.

Ok, that's a lie, but! MoS is still very much scum.

Vote: Mastermind of Sin

(No powers for poor little me.)

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That's so clearly a fake reaction.

Scumbag.

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Um, yes?

I'm not actually challenging that he got the doc power. It's pretty much independent of his alignment.

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You would be right in the sense that you actually got the doc power.

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It also tells us Cephrir actually bothered to use it. I can see scum failing to do that.

I already knew Cephrir was town though.

Can we lynch MoS now?

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Psst: lynch MoS.

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No.

I want him dead. He doesn't.

That is all.

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Reading my posts helps, MoS:

You see, when I first read about the mass claim, I thought: "Heck no, that's a terrible idea. A 4-8 split in claims would leave the triumvirate completely open to nightkills without giving us any info." So, when I saw MoS' post, I assumed it would shoot down the silly plan. Then I read it. But okay, people make mistakes, MoS' experience doesn't make him immune to terrible ideas. Occam's Razor told me he'd come to in a few posts and explain to the town why this was a bad idea. But he didn't. He actually pushed it. I find this unbelievable coming from a player of such experience, so I must conclude he can not be playing for the town's side.

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Posts 1 and 2 are the scummy ones. (Post 2 I would describe as pushing.)

Posts 3 and 4 are just you arguing you against a cypher-based claim, which is pretty irrelevant to the actual massclaim situation.

Post 5 is after Elmo demolished the plan.

Link to Quack mafia thing please.

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I read Quack Mafia. Apparently, MoS is significantly suckier than I thought he was.

Unvote

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I should have known him to be significantly suckier than I thought he was? But if I knew, then I wouldn't have thought he was that sucky, I would've thought him to be as sucky as he is(ie. suckier). So that's an impossibility, my good sir.

And what's with the "should"? Either I did know and was making it up on account of me being scum or I didn't know(as town or otherwise). What I

should

know, is not relevant.

More importantly, why do you think I should've known? To my knowledge, MoS has never acted so suckily in any of the games I've been in and isn't it completely to natural to assume a certain level of intellectual maturity when it comes to a player as experienced as MoS?

Also, I will note that I went after Zindaras and Yosarian2 in Jungle Republic over the same type of situation and was right about both of them.

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I was not aware of that.

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And then you voted me again at the top of this page, Beep! Beep!.

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That doesn't make any less weird/wrong/scummy that you phrased it as a question.

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That "demonstration" was dumb. We do not you are capable of voting for the same person multiple times!

Vote: Beep! Beep!

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LIES!

(I replaced thin man.)

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Skitzer, with me!

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Rishi, if you care about this game, please vote for Beep! Beep!.

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So, uh, I guess you care about the game, then.

Mike, with me!

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Um, let's just lynch Beep! Beep!?

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I never trust MoS or CES. At least one of those guys is scum.

Hint: it's not me.

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I don't understand how anyone could get away with suggesting we should lynch Trium players. CES did just that. There is no rhyme or reason for lynching a Trium unless we have something solid.

I have never suggested lynching a Trium and I consider it a slip that you call Miztef one. I have only ever suggested lynching a claimed Trium.

Why? Because I think he's scum. Still do. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe the point of this game is lynching scum.

Confirm vote: Beep! Beep!

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Firstly, CES, in the above quotation, you claim to never have suggested lynching a claimed Trium.

No, I don't. I actually say quite clearly that I did suggest it.

Secondly, you say that you consider it a slip that I "call Miztef one," meaning that I called Miztef a Triumvirate. Is this the quote you are referring to?

No. Post 976.

It appears to me that you are attempting to build a case based on the distinction between a claimed Triumvirate, and other species of Triumvirate (such as dead ones, confirmed ones - if confirmation is truly possible). OF COURSE we are talking about claimed Triumvirates. It's a given.

Sure it's obvious when you think about it. But that doesn't mean there isn't a subconscious distinction that scum might make. And that's what slips are about: the subconscious.

And you have tried to push the idea that Triumvirates (claimed ones, as opposed to dead ones, or "confirmed" ones) should be lynched.

No. Strawman. I've pushed the idea that Miztef should be lynched.