Mini 1926: Game Of Thrones S1E3 (Game over-Mafia WINS!!)

[Persivul]

Hello

[Persivul]

bombcat
TheFuzzyLogic
Vecna
randomidget
Gratiae

Scum lays here imo.

Yay Vedith! \o/

Gotta agree with this.

[Persivul]

Everyone should vote one of me, molla and gerry or make a case on why to vote someone else asap

Where the fuck did this come from?

[Persivul]

VOTE: Vecna

His D1 play here was very different from his D1 play in Breaking Bad (in which he was town), and they ran at the same time.

[Persivul]

The main characters are never fake claims. Ive played a ton of theme games and it has never happened yet.

You just played Breaking Bad, and I made Skyler a fake claim. Pretty sure she counts as a main character.

[Persivul]

yes, but for skyler it makes sense. even though she had a reasonable ammount of screentime her actual role in the show was very limited beyond being annoying. you dont make the actual big big chars that played a big part into fakeclaims. youd never make hank, walt or jesse into a fakeclaim since they play such a huge part in the show and devellopment of the story.

the absolute same goes for ned stark in season1 (and esp the episodes this game is based on). you design that character with a cool power.

If you really believed this, you'd push for mass flavor claim in every theme in which you're town.

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Vote Count 2-9

(as of Post 426)

Persivul (2)

- Gratiae, Boonskiies

gerryoat (3)

- bombcat, Assemblerotws, shaddowez

randomidget (2)

- BlueBloodedToffee, Vedith

Boonskiies (1)

- Persivul

Vecna (1)

- TheFuzzyLogic

TheFuzzyLogic (1)

- Vecna

Not Voting (2)

- gerryoat, randomidget

Generally I'd say that gerry and random are easy mislynches and should be investigated rather than lynched. But in this case it's curious that neither of them has a vote up this late in phase.

Whatcha waiting for guys?

[Persivul]

VOTE: random

[Persivul]

Prods:

None

V/LAs:

None

Can we get a prod on Gratiae?

[Persivul]

Yes, because mass flavourclaim just to single out that one person thatll be town due to flavour is always a really solid idea

There's generally more than one main character in a theme, so by your theory you could rule out several people. In a 10:3 setup, if you rule out 3, you're now looking for 3 scum out of 10, instead of 3 out of 13. That's a big advantage. You know that.

[Persivul]

why?

How about because there's two days left? Doesn't just apply to you, it applies to everyone who isn't on a main wagon or pushing hard for their choice. Scum too frequently get away with votes because

deadline is approaching and we need a flip

, rather than actually taking a stance.

[Persivul]

Why is Gerry and Random any ore of an easy mis lynch than Venca?

Vecna seems better at defending.

[Persivul]

Hi guys, im Eddard Stark

Why did you claim?

[Persivul]

I don't really want to lynch random rn, but this:

gerryoat (3)

- bombcat, Assemblerotws, shaddowez

is a crap wagon.

VOTE: shaddowez

Barely playing, made the L-1 D1, on an easy target today.

[Persivul]

Vote shaddow. In my experience, this isn't scum!random's reaction to pressure.

[Persivul]

1. There's more to pressure than just votes. You were after him hard and it didn't seem to bother him.

2. Yep, you've been trying to get votes on him for some time now and haven't been able to. Try something else.

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OTOH - yeah, you've been pushing random, but the wagon doesn't grow. If he's town you'd think scum would have found a way to migrate there.

VOTE: random

[Persivul]

I mean, not much is happening this game at all. People are just sitting around doing fuck all. It's an easy game for scum this and it's dumb how bad this game has been from the get go.

Can't get any serious wagons forming and then everyone will scramble around at deadline.

D1 though you got lynched in no time. Today a wagon can't get past 3 votes. The wagoned people won't vote each other, but random hops on shaddow as soon as that's presented. Seems like to much too hope for but is it possible both of these are scum?

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That was my first thought but I'm not sure why Random would choose that wagon of all wagons to join.

Doesn't really make sense as a bus I don't think.

I meant both gerry and random

[Persivul]

Happy to flash wagon Gratiae if needed.
We have 1 day left.

Only 3 of us active. Can't flash wagon with that unless we move to gerry.

[Persivul]

Also, if Random flips scum it's very likely that Gerry is also scum.

Been saying it for a while.

So vote gerry.

VOTE: gerry

[Persivul]

Yeah, that would be better...if people were actually playing the game and voting and stuff.

[Persivul]

Vote Count 1-7

(as of Post 170)

BlueBloodedToffee (7)

- BBMolla, Vedith, gerryoat, Gratiae, Wisdom, shaddowez, Boonskiies

So...why didn't he get wagoned again D2?

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So early on D1 you're pushing for a claim on a not scum read, with no good reason? You seem to be looking for people to explain things to you instead of trying to figure things out, and the way you're going about things doesn't read like town!BBT to me.

Really? I haven't played much with BBT but as I recall running people up to L-1 on nothing D1 is something he does as town.

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I can't be the only skeptical person? Claims are buying scummy as players time and I don't like it.

It's role madness. Soft claims mean nothing.

[Persivul]

Are there really 3 people on 3 votes?
This close to day end

Something like that. I'm not thrilled with the current composition of the shaddow wagon, but I'm not thrilled with shaddow either and that wagon seems most viable.

VOTE: shaddowez

I'm going golfing later, but I'll be back a couple hours before deadline.

[Persivul]

This is messed up.

[Persivul]

Seriously people, nothing else is going to happen before deadline, so if you're reading this, vote shaddowez

[Persivul]

An hour and ten minutes left...WTF...

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VOTE: Gratiae

[Persivul]

bombcat/BBT/gratiae lynch pool

Go with gratiae.

[Persivul]

yeah I can vote people twice VOTE: gerryoat VOTE: random midget en garde

Vote gratiae twice.

[Persivul]

The only reason Bombcat is getting more attention than gratiae is because he's here posting dumb shit - dumb, but not scummy. Gratiae hasn't even posted today. Good chance she's scum that just doesn't know what to do.

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but what if the last scum is actually putting in a decent performance this game pers? surely all scum arent going to be as blatant?

If someone thinks that, they shouldn't be voting bombcat anyway.

Gratiae is probably going to be replaced if we don't lynch her. All too often, a replacement for a scum slot comes in and makes a decent catchup post, which isn't hard to do, and then gets town read. There's no way we want this slot in lylo so we might as well lynch it now.

[Persivul]

Last scum was 100% not on my wagon.

So you're the last scum?

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in what world does a mafia vote twice

In what world does a double voter = town?

Same world in which all scum can't be on the same wagon...

[Persivul]

well we have about 12 days no rush.

is gratiae finally getting replaced??

This game isn't going anywhere in 12 days or 12 weeks. Just vote Gratiae.

[Persivul]

Someone hammer this.

[Persivul]

Gimme an H...
Gimme an A...
Gimme a MMER...
What's that spell?

[Persivul]

Looks like a real vote to me

[Persivul]

why would you not wait for them to claim for get a replacemet. wtf are you guys doing

Playing a game. WTF are you doing?

[Persivul]

A notice isn't even up in the replacement queue. Do you really want to sit here doing nothing while mods do nothing? Easier just to lynch.

[Persivul]

Maybe governor is 2X and was fibbing.

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Dont look too much into the nightkill, it couldve been caused by my redirection again

Who did you redirect from? Also on the previous redirect.

[Persivul]

I'm a 2X cop. I got Not Mafia results on Bombcat N2, and unfortunately gerry N3.

For now I'm accepting assembler and vecna's claims. Governor is likely town, and the lack of talkback regarding vecna's claim on the redirect kill (and it flipping scum) makes him likely town.

That leaves fuzzy, random, and BBT.

Fuzzy and random were both on the shaddow lynch. That leaves BBT. But, shaddow put BBT at L-1 D1. So, none of these is a slam dunk. The easier scenario for me to believe is that scum were distancing from BBT with the D1 wagon, not expecting boon to pull an Ika and hammer.

Boon said earlier: "Like, I'm likely dead tonight. If BBT is town, go rando. wisdom's likely town."

My lynch pool in order is {BBT, random, fuzzy}

p-edit: BBT is saying the same as me regarding vecna and assemble which looks good. Change the order to {random, BBT, fuzzy}

VOTE: random

[Persivul]

Shoot whom? What are your reads?

You earlier said that you weren't defending for a reason. What was the reason?

[Persivul]

With only one kill each night this seems like a 10:3 setup with one scum remaining. If you blocked random last night, and he's scum, why was there a kill? Your claim, if true, seems to clear him.

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Not sure if that's bullshit or so dumb it must be true. But, assuming it's 6:1, we have three lynches to work with so I'm not real concerned about it.

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Im not rly defending myself this game for a reason

[Persivul]

holy shit that was so bad from bbt

Scummy bad or sloppy bad? I've done shit like that as town, but as scum I'm more careful.

pers could you link the post about not defending not 100% sure what you mean
i really dont know who is scum here to be honest.

I'm much more concerned about you not recalling things you've said that seem important to me, and not having scum reads, particularly when we've had two scum flips already.

Plus, rn we presumably have 3 lynches to work with, but if you're town and shoot town (likely as you don't have scum reads anyway), we lose a lynch. I'd much rather have a lynch than a vig shot by a guy who doesn't have reads.

[Persivul]

I don't think I've ever seen a 1X vig wait this long without shooting.

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Narrowed it down to gerry, you, random, fuzzy. You each had pros and cons based on wagons. If not scum, gerry seemed unlikely to be NK'd as he's usually an easy mislynch. Thought I might catch scum, if not I'd have two people cleared.

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How on earth did you still think Gerry was scum after Shadow's flip?

Random and fuzzy were also on shaddow's wagon. You weren't - but you had two scum on your D1 wagon. Like I said, no single one of you were the clear best choice based on wagons and flips. Unless I'm wrong on vecna and assembler, there was some bussing/distancing going on somewhere.

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I didn't block anyone on N1 because lol, it was an 8 page D1 or whatever it was

Like, if I'm cop after that D1 (which was Molla before Persivul replaced in) I'd investigate either Assemble or myself after what happened. I find it hard to believe that Molla did neither.

Oops...

[Persivul]

You and Vecna are real fucking idiots right now if you're town.

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Prying into my role.

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Are you serious?

You can't see how that looks massively suspect to me?

After 664, no, I don't see that my claim should change your read significantly.

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Also consider my play yesterday - it's obvious I was protecting Bombcat while not actually giving an inno because I had another shot left.

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Gerry was obv town after Shadow flipped.

First, I've already responded to that, and you've never explained why gerry was obvtown.

Second, if you believe Vecna, Gerry wasn't obvtown, as Vecna claims to have redirected to him.

[Persivul]

Two fucking idiots picking apart my claim because they don't have anything else to do.

[Persivul]

Im not picking your claim apart persivul, im making sure everyone understands that if scum doesnt kill you tonight its town auto.

Town auto?

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Fuck you both. Guess what. I'm a prime night cop. I get investigations on prime numbered nights - 2, 3, 5, 7. Saying 2X might have kept me alive until N5.

@BBT - you push scum reads, you don't investigate them.

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I didnt particularly think anyone would be fooled by my "lol its only 1shot, honestly!".

No shit, but we had enough sense not to push you on it.

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Now, in what world did you think Gerry could be scum?

So vote me.

In what world do you necessarily investigate scum reads?

In what world does scum protect an easy lynch like Bombcat?

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720 makes me want to vote you so bad. That doesn't fit into the game at all.

So vote me.

Does Ned Stark - who couldn't prevent his own death - being a redirector fit into the game?

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Whatever, I've had it with this game. Later.

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wtf logic, if you're going to just post about roles, at least get them right.

Still happy with a random lynch. Might be scum, and if town I don't trust him with a vig shot anyway.

[Persivul]

Whatever, that was basically just a prodge. Bye.

[Persivul]

Sorry, man, but a lot of your logic isn't making sense to me.

Don't worry about it. I'm going to get some schadenfreude when I flip exactly as claimed and BBT is exposed as either scum or a pompous ass.

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Actually, I can't take tat attitude as much as I'd like to as it's playing against wincon.

So, tell me exactly what parts of my logic don't make sense to you, and why that's scummy. Remember, different people have different approaches to the game. BBT is scum reading me because I investigated someone who he thinks looked town based on association with flipped scum - even though I didn't even check associations, but was basing the investigation on POE via wagons and claims, and on who was an easy mislynch (and so would benefit town more by being cleared). Just because something doesn't make sense to you doesn't necessarily make it scummy.

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Im not picking your claim apart persivul,

Yes, you were. With a 2X rolecop and a tracker flipped, a 2X cop was perfectly reasonable from a balance perspective. You mouthing off about more probably having more shots was bad play.

im making sure everyone understands that if scum doesnt kill you tonight its town auto.

What do you mean by "town auto."

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Bombcat is pretty much non existent in this game and couldn't push a wagon if he was mod confirmed inno child. He is by far the easiest person for you to 'clear' if you're scum.

That's absurd. When you're scum, you separate people into two piles - those you can mislynch, and those you'll have to NK.

If you're faking a cop clear, you clear someone from the pile of people you'll have to NK anyway.

Bombcat was not in that pile - I had to work to keep him alive yesterday.

Here's the scum thread from a Diffusion game in which I was scum, but had to claim cop and at some point fake an investigation:
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=62220&start=25

In 43 I said -

So, I can't investigate kyndy, pistachio, or wgeurts because I want them to be lynchable

And in 47 -

Therefore, miih should be the other NK. Therefore, miih should be my investigation tonight.

That's like scum play 101 stuff. You don't fake a clear on someone you can mislynch. Bombcat was easily mislynchable.

BBT should understand this.

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i thick correct play is to lynch fuzzy today sadly. with his claim we have to lynch him at some point, and by lynching him today we get more PR info.

I ran out the scenarios and yes, that's correct - but I still think you're more likely to be scum and would rather just hit scum today.

Also note that there's no harm in letting fuzzy live today. At worst it's a break-even play.

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Pesivul- Is it wrong to asssume that you didnt investigate Veneca becuase the Vedith kill made you think they was town

Nope, that's not a wrong assumption.

Can you explain why you chose to investigate Grat over Assembler or somone else

I didn't investigate grat.

[Persivul]

Random- vig
Persivul- even night cop
Assembler Governor ( confirmed by action)
BBT-role blocker
Venica- redirector (confirmed by action)
Fuzzy- town traitor
Bombcat- 2x voter( confirmed by Action)

i dont see vecna gambitting here. doublevote that works in MyLo/LyLo makes me think bombcat is town. bbt's is the most likely of them to be scum IMO

Yes, a claimed roleblocker, which is frequently a scum role and makes sense as a scum role in this game.

But, why don't you vote him?

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Frustrating ...... Persi does not seem to care about getting toward end game.

No one does. Don't act like you've been hard at work on this game all along.

[Persivul]

Random- vig
Persivul- even night cop
Assembler Governor ( confirmed by action)
BBT-role blocker
Venica- redirector (confirmed by action)
Fuzzy- town traitor
Bombcat- 2x voter( confirmed by Action)

Town

Persivul - prime night cop
Bombcat - cleared by Pers
Assembler - governor is usually town, and scum governor wouldn't give scum enough power relative to town
Vecna - redirect claim and scum death seems believable
Fuzzy - town traitor would be a bad fakeclaim, and rules specifically say the game contains bastard elements. This (possible midgame change in alignment)is the only bastard element we've seen so far

Scum

BBT - role blocker makes more sense for scum with 2X rolecop, tracker, and cop in play. If scum probably lying about the 2X.

Not sure

Random - vig - if scum can just claim he targeted the person he NKs. Yet, he's been acting as if it's provable. It isn't. Had him in the Scum group at first, but now that I've typed this out I'm not sure. I think he's scummy based on play, but a 1X vig isn't a bad fit for this setup.

Random, if you're telling the truth and you live to tonight, who are you targeting?

[Persivul]

Sorry trying to figure things out

Tracker
Role cop

and than even night cop seems like alot of investigational power however if there was three scum at the begining and than with me being a town traitor it kinda make sense

Tracker, 2X rolecop, and prime night cop make sense against an ascetic and a role blocker.

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Bombcat is pretty much non existent in this game and couldn't push a wagon if he was mod confirmed inno child. He is by far the easiest person for you to 'clear' if you're scum.

Gerry didn't have to be a scum read for you. But investigating someone who I feel was so obviously town just makes no sense at all and just looks too convenient.

ur gonna eat ur words buddy boy

I bombcqt double voter of the house double voter sentence persivul to VOTE: persivul

Yesterday I protected you from lynch. Today I gave a cop clear on you. Yesterday you were easily mislynchable and as noted above there's no scum motivation to put a clear on you. So you're voting me because...?

[Persivul]

depends on the lynch. atm my pool is you, bbt, fuzzy, assemble.

I'm at L-1. If I'm lynched, who will you shoot?

[Persivul]

probably fuzzy, maybe bbt.
if you are lynched im getting rb'ed most likely tho

By whom?

[Persivul]

VOTE: BBT

[Persivul]

Guys, if Assemble is a scum Governor, and we have 2 town deaths today/tonight, we loose by default for not lynching Fuzzy.

Just saying......

I hadn't considered scum governor seriously. Scum governor is rare, and as Assemble's claim had established him as town to most people on D1, there was no reason for him to bus shaddow on D2. So, scum governor is unlikely. Reading into the extended twilights is outguessing the mod, which in my experience usually doesn't go well. BUT, in every scenario I've run we need to lynch Fuzzy by tomorrow anyway, so there's no point in taking the chance of a scum governor no matter how unlikely.

VOTE: Fuzzy

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There is nothing I can really say about my role other than I would 100% not claim roleblocker as scum because roleblockers are scum like 80-90% of the time and it would be a dumb move to make.

I'm town and I was obviously supposed to act as a negative utility to balance the game.

So you think your role was intended as negative utility...but you used it anyway.

[Persivul]

Lynch fuzzy today, then scum is in {BBT, Random}.

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VOTE: fuzzy
although i still think the better play is to lynch bbt and i shoot fuzzy

I like that better too but you were previously not really committing to a target.
VOTE: BBT

[Persivul]

Snap there's actually 3 of us on at once.

[Persivul]

OK, so you think he's scum RB and lying about the 2X. Makes sense.

[Persivul]

People are scum reading me based on my role which is dumb as shit.

Persivul is more likely to be scum out of the two IMO. His claim just doesn't sit right with me at all

[Persivul]

Tfl should be lynched here tbh

Thought you were shooting him tonight.

[Persivul]

VOTE: PERSIVUL

You're better than this. You know scum doesn't fakeclaim cop and clear Bombcat. OTOH, BBT pushed Random hard early; cleared random with his RB claim; then, when the clear was pointed out, claimed that he never really sent the action in.

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BBT will still be alive if they arent lynched and could potentially rb me

Good point.

[Persivul]

Bombcat is pretty much non existent in this game and couldn't push a wagon if he was mod confirmed inno child. He is by far the easiest person for you to 'clear' if you're scum.

I've noted how bad this is and you haven't responded. Do you still stand by this argument?

[Persivul]

Spoiler: Persivul protecting Bombcat

bombcat/BBT/gratiae lynch pool

Go with gratiae.

The only reason Bombcat is getting more attention than gratiae is because he's here posting dumb shit - dumb, but not scummy. Gratiae hasn't even posted today. Good chance she's scum that just doesn't know what to do.

but what if the last scum is actually putting in a decent performance this game pers? surely all scum arent going to be as blatant?

If someone thinks that, they shouldn't be voting bombcat anyway.

Gratiae is probably going to be replaced if we don't lynch her. All too often, a replacement for a scum slot comes in and makes a decent catchup post, which isn't hard to do, and then gets town read. There's no way we want this slot in lylo so we might as well lynch it now.

There's no motivation for scum to derail an easy mislynch like this, then fakeclaima cop inno on it the next day.

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If anything, based on Today's play so far, that post is even more relevant.

Why would I fake a clear on someone who's an easy mislynch, rather than on someone who would be difficult to mislynch, and so be lined up for NK anyway? You have yet to explain your reasoning. I've even linked to a scum thread of mine in which I used that reasoning. Not that it's specific to me, it's common sense, but I also have a demonstrable track record.

[Persivul]

@ BBT: Why would I protect Bombcat, who would be an easy mislynch, then fake a cop inno on him? You keep ignoring this because it makes no sense, which indicates that you're not really trying to solve the game.

[Persivul]

Town

Persivul - prime night cop
Bombcat - cleared by Pers
Assembler - governor is usually town, and scum governor wouldn't give scum enough power relative to town
Vecna - redirect claim and scum death seems believable
Fuzzy - town traitor would be a bad fakeclaim, and rules specifically say the game contains bastard elements. This (possible midgame change in alignment)is the only bastard element we've seen so far

Scum

BBT - role blocker makes more sense for scum with 2X rolecop, tracker, and cop in play. If scum probably lying about the 2X.

Not sure

Random - vig - if scum can just claim he targeted the person he NKs. Yet, he's been acting as if it's provable. It isn't. Had him in the Scum group at first, but now that I've typed this out I'm not sure. I think he's scummy based on play, but a 1X vig isn't a bad fit for this setup.

Random, if you're telling the truth and you live to tonight, who are you targeting?

Thoughts in case I'm lynched: Nothing has changed from the above. BBT is my first choice for scum, Random second. I'd run through the possible scenarios for tomorrow, but between random and fuzzy there's too many. Worst case seems to be a 3:1 mylo tomorrow, so only one more lynch.

[Persivul]

I really need to get into VCA in this game as well, just incase I'm missing something.

I'll help.

Vote Count 2-13

(as of Post 539)

shaddowez (7)

- randomidget, gerryoat, Assemblerotws, Persivul, TheFuzzyLogic, Vecna, Boonskiies

gerryoat (2)

- bombcat, shaddowez

randomidget (2)

- BlueBloodedToffee, Vedith

Not Voting (1)

- Gratiae

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline:

Friday, August 4, 2017 7pm CST (expired on 2017-08-04 19:00:00)

A LYNCH HAS BEEN REACHED!

The only living players not on the scum lynch are you and bombcat. I have an inno on bombcat.

[Persivul]

it's incredibly rare to find all scum off of a scum lynch.

Incredibly rare? That's ridiculous.

[Persivul]

If in doubt we should just be safe and lynch Fuzzy.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Fuzzy

Not an accusation, just the safe play in absence of a better lynch.

[Persivul]

Probably because everyone else can see that there's no motivation for scum to protect then clear Bombcat.

We should be lynching BBT or random. Problem is that if they're both alive tomorrow and there was only one kill, BBT can say it's because Random's scum, and Random can say it's because BBT blocked him.

[Persivul]

Persivul, you keep saying there was no motivation for it and yet I showed that there was.

No, you claimed there was, but your argument made no sense.

[Persivul]

Bombcat is pretty much non existent in this game and couldn't push a wagon if he was mod confirmed inno child. He is by far the easiest person for you to 'clear' if you're scum.

This makes no sense. A person who is non-existent is an easy mislynch, as happened to Gratiae. Scum isn't motivated to fake a clear on someone who can be easily lynched.

[Persivul]

I think you're desperate to lynch me because you're not sure if I have an investigation tonight and you can't block both me and random.

[Persivul]

ok lynch is better than no lynch so i'll put the 2 people at l-1. i don't think either one of them is mafia though

VOTE: persivul

VOTE: fuzzylogic

Fuzzy voted himself in 863. This is actually a hammer.

[Persivul]

I am

[Persivul]

I think BBT is scum. At first the whole

now that you note that I cleared Random, no I really forgot to send in my action

thing seemed like it might be too scummy to really be scum, but it's probably just scum caught in a mistake.

[Persivul]

Vote Count 4-5

(as of Post 809)

BlueBloodedToffee (3)

- Vecna, Persivul, randomidget

Persivul (2)

- BlueBloodedToffee, Assemblerotws

randomidget (1)

- bombcat

Not Voting (1)

- TheFuzzyLogic

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline:

Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10am CST (expired on 2017-08-30 10:00:00)

Replacing:

No one

Prods:

None

V/LAs:

None

We were one vote away from the win. Just sayin...