Mini 1935: Green Haired UPick (Game Over)

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VOTE: Lucky2u

I am a 1-shot Hunter and I have determined that he is aligned with

Hell

.

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the mafia here

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Idk how to read anything that's happened so far.

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that seems like a good way to end up with a pile of snake oil that really isn't related to anyone's alignments, even if Lucky is scum

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wait a fucking minute

you think I'm

less

likely than average to cheekily claim scum as scum?

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Wlel if he was town he would OBVIOUSLY have self-voted to L-1.

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no u

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VOTE: Randomidget

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VOTE: Tucker Carlson

I felt like you were reaction testing at first but this feels like just scum and not reaction testing at this point.

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Bye narna

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VOTE: Tarkus

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I don't think GIF makes a 2 miller game.

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also I scumread him before the second claim and his reaction is bad

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reasons

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Two millers are a uncommon enough setup to be considered bastard and worth lynching over. In fact, I have never seen to millers in a game.

TRFB had two millers

This one. Large. Me and Wheme were the millers.

-jj

that was a fucking frozen angel game
this is a fucking gif game

I'm taking this as a scumclaim and I'd be voting you if we didn't already have confirmed scum

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your vote on me is awful, your conflating a 30 person frozen angel game with a GIF upick mini theme is awful, you not giving any thoughts on either individual miller claim is awful, and your tone is awful.

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I'm not insulting you, I'm calling you scum.

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I mean when I say that your tone is awful I think it makes it pretty clear that awful, in this context, refers to you being scummy as opposed to the quality of your play.

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0%? no. but there's no set of circumstances in which we don't lynch Tarkus today fmpov

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Okay, well I think we should probably allow for a game environment in which a set of circumstances can play out that lets us make a more informed choice between Tarkus and TIAM, because all I've seen so far looks strangely familiar.

-jj

yeah well this isn't real folk blues and I wasn't in real folk blues

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Tarkus's reaction sucks though, regardless of anything else

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If we can prove that he in fact has a nightkill, I'm perfectly comfortable with never lynching Tarkus and making it mafia's problem whether they kill him.

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If both of the millers are town, I would strongly believe that one or more of the people defending the double millers are scum.

Going along that line of reasoning, VOTE: Beeboy

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I think if the millers were 1 town 1 scum, that scum would lightly discredit the pair of millers but not vote or push it.

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I agree with two

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do agree 1svt is way underwhelming and this push is kinda bad

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...yes?

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hi im tibbers

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Too drunk for this

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Kinda think cookie is scum

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Lucky you feel kinda weird

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I don't have any good scumreads right now.

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I feel like this town isn't playing good enough to have correct scum reads

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Alright going back through this

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he was trying to keep pressure onto lucky and away from everyone else

This is super fucking lazy reasoning and I have trouble believing this is what you actually believe.

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Alright fuck it sheep me

VOTE: Cookiedotjay

Sheep god-emperor cowbells. This shit flips scum.

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I have a very slight townread on Lucky. Randomidget probscum but not near as scum as this shit. This shit is the scummy shit

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As someone who once replaced into an unclaimed miller slot in a game with 2 millers, I'm gonna suggest we let them place each other while we get on with the rest of the standard day 1 antics, then revisit them later when they have more developed opinions on each other.

Oh and also
VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

-jj

No Lynch jjh before he votes Titus

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I will have computer access again before EOD just hold on

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Wait I know who you are

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Can we Lynch the unholy fuck out of chickadee if we aren't doing jjh

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Ok but if there's a vig or even a fucking so they shoot jjh a

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Chickadee vote jj or I have no reason not to lynch you

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Chickadee vote jj or I have no reason not to lynch you

Thats bullying.

I'll look into it though.

Call it bullying. Your current vote is terrible and unless you're going to help me when someone I am more sure is Mafia you can die first

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I think you're scum and if I can't get the single superior wagon through, I will Lynch you instead. Bam, simple.

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@RC I don't recall you being this decisive and pushy when I left the site. do you plan on letting chikadee off the hook if she actually gave into your demands?

o.O

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this is it boys this means war

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@RC I don't recall you being this decisive and pushy when I left the site. do you plan on letting chikadee off the hook if she actually gave into your demands?

o.O

I actually wanted an answer but now I think since chikadee's post it won't matter.

Yes because I wanted someone lynched more than I wanted her lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

So the question you're really asking: why am I so insistent that the wagons should be changed?

[RadiantCowbells]

WhyMafia (2): beeboy, Chickadee
randomidget (3): Lucky2u, esires, iDanyBoy
Tarkus (2): TwoInAMillion, 1 Shot Vanilla Town

Our 3 wagons, ladies and gentlemen.

Tarkus

: miller claim, for the record, but also the one that claimed miller vigilante. Which includes vigilante.
So unless you think it's scum vig, which I don't, it's not our fucking problem. We leash them, and lynch them if there's not a nightkill.
I agree that there's -issues- with the miller claims but we don't lynch this d1 ever.

Randomidget

: So I do have one major problem with them and that's this set of posts here

VOTE: 1svt
this does not feel like town 1svt. if it was i would be more willing to follow their push.

RC im not sure but were you in Cult of Kira Mafia run by SnarkySnowman?

thats what im comparing 1svt's play to here.

Yes: I had the exact same first impetus from 1SVT. But I find it hard as fuck to believe that Randomidget forgot I was in cult of kira.
Cult of kira was literally me as confirmed town playing dictator and leading on scum (mostly the wrong scum tho) till we won.
1svt basically did fuck all that game and the idea that Randomidget forgot about my involvement
Scum!Randomidget will not have shit reads. This is a decent read but it's also something that I can see randomidget pushing and there's a sketchy as fuck aspect.

So if we're lynching in the major scumreads, this is the one we hit up.

Now Whymafia? That's a fucking trainwreck of a lynch waiting to happen.

Tucker was never, like, -scummy-. I said and I stand by they were either scum or reaction testing. Their reaction was to indicate that it was a reaction test.
So sure, whatever, but unless you're reading into something less shallow than 'durr gutread that they were playing things up' which was obvious: no.

Whymafia has been pretty towny since replace in. we're not lynching them.

1SVT

is lame. I expect better from them but I have an alt guess finally for them and I don't think it's unreasonable that they're low activity.
Nothing that they've done is especially like egregiously scum indicative.
Absolutely we should force more content from them but we're not fucking d1 lynching them.

Chickadee

is like bad. Not scummy bad. I take back my interest in lynching them but their whymafia vote is terrible.

As for the god wagon on

Cookieguys

?

Okay, but I am aware that your angle is to insult people who vote you

-jj

THE FUCK KIND OF REACTION IS THAT
I DIDN'T EVEN INSULT THEM. I CALLED THEM SCUM AND THEIR REACTION IS TO DISCREDIT IT BY ACCUSING ME OF INSULTING PEOPLE WHO VOTE ME.
ALL MY WHAT.

Oh okay, that works for me as well.

So, from your perspective, is 2 millers a physical impossibility here?

-jj

Really don't like them putting the prerogative on me to make this call. It feels like they're trying to stay clean of the whole situation. Just like before.

As someone who once replaced into an unclaimed miller slot in a game with 2 millers, I'm gonna suggest we let them place each other while we get on with the rest of the standard day 1 antics, then revisit them later when they have more developed opinions on each other.

No desire to put their hat into the ring and make any sort of commitment on their thoughts on the miller read, just staying clear of the situation as best they can.
Exactly what I would expect scum to do if neither miller is scum. Let townies get their hands dirty pushing the mislynches onto the double miller claim.

Fuck, actual bona-fide confirmation bias there probably means you're town. Like, that "line of reasoning" can only exist because you're so certain no logical person could disagree with you.

UNVOTE:

-jj

This is -such- a 'make a show of how much I'm thinking!' post. No one fucking talks like that. That's scum trying to be 'towny' by showing their thought process.

JJ has dragged me back into this - for some reason the forum wasn't loading properly. From what I can see it's all a bit messy - so fairly usual day 1 nonsense.

- C.j

0 contribution from the other hydra head at all. none. and like, aggressively not contributing while trying to make a comment that actually says nothing about the game.
It's really bad.



I want Cookiedotjay's head on a pike. I will compromise on Randomidget. I will not accept any other lynches today.

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Oh, and scum?

We are going to leash Tarkus and if they are proved to have a shot we are -never- going to lynch them until you're all dead.
Don't keep them around thinking that you can get us to mislynch them. we are never lynching them.
If you have some reason to believe that they're serial killer, that's on you because we're not lynching them.

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Tarkus: I am leashing your shot. Do you have any objections to this?

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VOTE: Cookiedotjay for now.

If I can't make this happen, I'll switch over to Randomidget.

All other wagons are terrible.

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Because tarkus has a potentially confirmable claim. We can give them a night to shoot

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Don't hammer or l-1

anyone

until I get back

Jjh can one of you be on in four hours thirty minutes

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In like 17 hours?

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Thoughts on randomidget? Scumreads? But I'll be on tmrw.

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Two in a million wagon is profoundly stupid and there's no reason for you to be voting that.

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Like he's pretty fucking town by the claim and pretty fucking town by play. I haven't seen a single reason given for the votes on him and given how bad the wagon is that doesn't surprise me.

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I can't babysit the thread full time. Don't random ass wagon someone who is obvtown just because I wasn't here for four hours for the love of god.

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I'll relinquish control of the town when the town stops wagoning people for being weak players without having done anything scummy.

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I'm not weak, the wagon just doesn't understand the unlikely odds of two town millers in a mini game, and the unlikelyhood of the first claimed miller being town. Either that or they are just scum trying to save their scum buddy.

No, you're not weak. But you're not charismatic and the game in general hasn't put the time in to actually think about what you said besides -I disagree so scum!!!!-.

[RadiantCowbells]

Other people are playing it too. You're not our babysitter.

If you want to talk to me about reads rest assured I will listen the fuck out of whatever you have to say. I would love to engage with you more.
I will not, however, allow you to go past me on a wagon that I don't support and lynch it and that's not going to be something that I am going to start allowing to happen.

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Like, don't just say 'oh TIAN did all this stuff' because I read it and came to the conclusion that you all are barking up the wrong team and my scumreads may be inconsistent but my townreads are solid as fuck.
If you think that I'm missing something, if you think that there's something actually scummy about him: please go ahead and enlighten me. I will listen.
I miss the melodic sound of your voice and the times I spend with you are the moments that I treasure the most in this game <3

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He’s just being combative and digging in to a stance that holds no water.

Your logic is that you disagree with him and his stance holds no water so he couldn't hold that belief as town so he's scum.
That's like literally the trademark example of a bad wagon that hits town.

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He's not considering logical counters to his argument and is flailing to discredit them instead. That's scummy to me.

It's just not scummy. Sorry.

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Like there's a reason people like me and Mastina consistently use exactly that 'dumbass towns voting people for disagreeing with them' as an example of why towns are so shitty nowadays. It's just not scummy.

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Sorry, I'm taking frustration about the state of the site in general out on you guys and it's not deserved. I really don't think the scumread on TwoInAMillion holds any water and my experience with hundreds of similar wagons suggests that reads for this reason flat out don't work and I townread him independently. I'm going to do my utmost to not let that lynch go through and my townreads are generally pretty good and this is one I'm super confident in.

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Feel like there's a difference between disagreeing and what I'm talking about but I'll let this go for the day.

Everyone always feels like their case is the exception.

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That last post by random is making no sense to me. I just can't make tails of it. I wanna re-vote him for that, but idk it direkickdickdjcx

!

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So right now we need to decide whether any of the wagons have been on scum.

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Whymafia might actually be scum tbh

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{CDJ/Whymafia} makes a lot of sense

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Cookie, I was promised you showing up to play the game.

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???

Correctly TR you in 1793
Correctly SR you in Fire Emblem: Birthright which I replaced out of
DID incorrectly scumread you in that one game but it was a terrible game

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Why should I townread you, Whymafia?

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I would tentatively be fine with that but it depends who we're lynching today and what they flip.

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Well I'm not lynching either of them.

Why don't you take the time to actually examine Cookie's posts and let me know how you feel?

Why are you okay with having Random vigged but not a fan of lynching them?

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Full readslist, reasons, thoughts on the speed of your wagon,

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uh

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I mean I don't agree with any of that lol

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No, but I don't think that you should be townreading me to that extent. Then again I don't think you've ever seen me as scum before.

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@_@

How good is that good? Am I so blindingly obvtown this game that you can't even conceive of me being scum?

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...Like what? What in this game do you think is out of my scum range?

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yes

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I still think that Cookie is scum.

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My issue with Random is I have a really good feeling about cookie/whymafia and he doesn't make sense as the third. Think third is like Dany or Beeboy.

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Too many absent slots rn

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Because there's nothing scummy about it @_@

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Like ignoring the Miller situation I still townread them

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VOTE: 1SVT

I asked you to commit to a read on jjh Hydra.

Don't naked vote 1svt.

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Oh, guess I didn't. Must have just thought it.
Still want you to put a ring on it.

But why? Cuz right now I feel pretty confident you two are scum buddies.

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Whymafia you know how fast wagons happen when I commit to reads most of the time. That read feels fake. Feels like an excuse to not vote your partner.

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One of you are going today will it be him or you?

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Ok naz I can do whymafia

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Sticking here because more votes but I would support whymafia as backup. Can't do randomidget today

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Time to bus whymafia fren

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RC can you actually give me something to respond to instead of causing more splits in the voting resulting in a no lynch ...?

Uhm what I'm causing splits in voting resulting in a no lynch?
You just voted a vanity wagon 2 days to go with no general support. It's hilarious that you're trying to spin it so that I'm the one causing a problem here.

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You clearly believed in options that had more general support, and are constantly causing medium, if not big wagons to form, and then you abandon them. You have been slowly removing yourself from the Cookie wagon, even though that's a much better lynch in your view atm. That's your main scum read, and he was brought to L-1. Yet now you're pressuring me, resulting in some people splitting off.

Okay, but what's your point? People aren't abandoning ship from the Cookie wagon like you think, he's still at L-2.

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Okay, so what's your point? Should I bail off him and vote you?

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Okay, so what's your point? Should I bail off him and vote you?

Cause it feels like you're just looking for one of the weaker but loud town to get a town mislynch going so you can hop on and discrediting both me and the jjh wagon in the interim

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I don't get what you're saying. I don't believe JJH or 2IAM to be scum. Why should I vote them? I'm just saying it's weird how you got a lynch almost through, and now you're backing off/the wagon is dying down

What's the implication here?
If you think the wagon on you is scum motivated, then you should be more willing to vote Cookie who I feel quite happy is flipping scum.
If you think that I'm scum for pushing multiple people at the same time, then I would love to hear an explanation of why it's scum motivated because right now I feel like you're fighting me because I'm pushing both you and your buddy and you're trying to get neither wagon to go through.

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Sry need to prodge will post content 2morrow

It's 12 days into the day and you've done mostly nothing.
Stop being a nonentity and vote Cookie.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why not rando RC?

I don't have the luxury of multiple days to influence the lynch. In a game where there's literally no one else providing acceptable levels of content and I'm both obvtown and leading lynches hard, I'm going to be the nightkill, period. I am not going to accept an 'okay' lynch that might hit scum when it's almost certainly going to be my only chance to hit scum in this game.

Cookie dying is super optimal because he's the one of the two that I'm more confident is scum. Unless the Whymafia wagon seriously picks up and I get the vig claims word that they'll accept being leashed onto Cookie regardless of their flip, I'm going to stick to the lynch that I want. You'll have other days to lynch people that you want. I won't.

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Well that just makes me double down where my vote currently is because you're not going to lynch him later.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nazeebo, agree or disagree that if Randomidget is in fact scum, Cookie makes way more sense as the scumpartner if they're not all scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like 75% of the game is inactive. There is no way you'll get a cookie lynch if you push me/others. Naz voted me, and now you need 3 votes for cookie. That ain't gonna happen

You can make a choice as to whether your townread on Cookie is worth getting lynched for, because if Cookie doesn't get lynched then you certainly will be.

[RadiantCowbells]

why is being concerned over lynched more likely to come from town than scum?

No: it's why is JJH not concerned about influencing the game besides preventing their own lynch?

[RadiantCowbells]

Well I'm not on principle okay with JJH refusing to do anything. If Beeboy was the only inactive person I would policy lynch them so hard but when about half of the game isn't doing enough to read, an inactive has to die.
And that is going to be JJH because I have the best reasons to scumread them.

I still don't understand what purpose you are arguing with me for: what are you trying to change? You're not making me any less townread, you're not changing the wagons, it feels to me like you are just trying to discredit me to try to get the Cookie lynch to not go through. And FMPOV it should be sorta obvious that Cookie is going to go through if they're town unless you think that my entire scumteam is already on the wagon, which doesn't mesh with the reads that you've given. So your position doesn't really make sense besides as scum with Cookie.

If there's some deep secret purpose to what you're doing right now you ought to explain it.

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You're calling me scum for results that haven't happened yet while ignoring what my intent would be as either alignment.

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The implication is also that I'm deliberately attempting to force a no lynch: what specifically is my motivation in doing so? Absolve myself of responsibility?
Why wouldn't I just push on one of them at some level not hard enough to get lynched, have someone else get lynched, then continue to push on who I was pushing anyway?
This is assuming that you actually believe that I'm deliberately trying to force a no lynch which feels like a really convenient position to hold right now and seems overplayed.
Like that's a huge read into my intent and it feels more grasping at straws than legit thought process: it's such an obscure thing to do and the way you're pushing me feels so bad.
Like you realize that I'm towny and trying to attack me in spite of it.

Yes, I look pro-town because I'm town and pushing wagons. You could look pro-town if you too were town and actually doing stuff but insofar this game you've done virtually nothing.

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Town intent: ??? Why on earth would town try to get both scum reads lynched in a game where it's already pretty hard to get people to be active to switch votes/already have a scum read on L-1

I am pretty clearly only trying to get votes on JJH. I'm pushing on you because I want you to go tomorrow because I expect to not be alive to do it myself. Pretty damn simple.

I don't understand why you're switching views this close to deadline
We're not having a lynch thanks to you

You keep insisting that we're not having a lynch and that feels to me like you're going to try to use your scumpartners to force a no lynch (because we're voting scum!) and blame me for it.
Why are you so sure that we're having a no lynch if I'm scum?

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You keep insisting that we're not having a lynch and that feels to me like you're going to try to use your scumpartners to force a no lynch (because we're voting scum!) and blame me for it.
Why are you so sure that we're having a no lynch if I'm scum?

I'm certain we're having a no-lynch due to sheer apathy that town is displaying this game. Dany used to do stuff, but he's gone silent, so it's just you and I in this dustbowl. It'd require a massive surge in activity to get your favored lynch through, and the more we post, the more people are going to think one of us is scum.

Why's this my fault though? What in my play specifically gives you the idea that I want a no lynch versus that I'm concerned about you but want Cookie dead?

[RadiantCowbells]

Well then how come you didn't object when people began switching to votes to others?

I DID. I never stopped pushing a Cookie read. When Cookie started not happening I immediately made a point of clarifying my position and sticking with that vote.
If you expect me to spend 24h of my waking life yelling at everyone who doesn't submit to my will and vote Cookie then that's unrealistic as hell.

I want Cookie lynched. If you have some reason to believe that I don't, I would love to hear it.

I like WhyMafia for town, and I'm fine with a Cookie lynch so I'll switch my vote if there's a chance of a no lynch. I think Cookies got 5 votes on him so I don't think we need to be worrying about a no lynch.

Switch now please.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dany, no one else is getting lynched: why are you reluctant to place your vote down now?

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay. Promise to vote him before deadline if nobody shows up with the agreement that you get vigged if you don't?

[RadiantCowbells]

Goodtown: {Twoinamillion, Chickadee (CONTINGENT ON FLIPS), RadiantCowbells}
Nulltown: {Tarkus, Nazeebo}
Meh: {WhyMafia, I guess. Probably should be lower but. 1ShotVanillaTown}
Leanscum: {iDanyBoy, Beeboy}
Scummy: {Randomidget, CookieDotJay}

Empty Slots: {lucky2u, esires}

Right now I think that scum is

CookieDotJay + 1 of {WhyMafia/Randomidget} + 1 of {Lucky/Esires/Dany/Beeboy}

[RadiantCowbells]

If this ends up flipping town you can ignore most of my reads if I die.

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What are your feelings about Randomidget then?

[RadiantCowbells]

Because I feel like the group of you (my scumreads) are all generally anti-bus types and none of you are really willing to vote the others besides for Random being willing to vote Why.

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I think based on both games that I've seen you in that you're better than this as town.

[RadiantCowbells]

And that's just why I'm not reconsidering: I gave an explanation of my read on you as to why I think you're scum and you're falling so short of expectations that I'm not reconsidering it atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm expecting you to actually have reads or some contribution to give with regards to the game, yes. If that's too much to ask, I still scumread you for your play in general.

I also think you have bar none the worst associatives of anyone in this game and if you're town I think there's probably, like, one scum in the active players.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not my job to make you actually not be a completely worthless slot.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you're expecting me to hold your hand and walk you through the entire game of mafia. That's not happening, you're better than that and I scumread you from the get go.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, and that readslist feels kinda implausible to me given that I scumread both Whymafia and Randomidget to varying extents, whereas that readset makes sense if you're scum with 1 of them.

You townread both of them so that you can potentially get the town in the pair lynched after you flip and you don't have to push on your partner.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wait what the fuck are you talking about there?

I'm saying that you've done fuck all and rather than pushing on reads of your own accord you're making me pry them out of you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I scumread you and I don't care if you live or die if you're town. That's a pretty happy recipe for a good day 1 lynch. Note that I'm not pushing you for being useless, I'm pushing you because I think that you're scummy based on your play and associatives with your slot. You being a useless lurksack just makes me put you to the absolute front of the lynchline (and I think you're more likely scum than anyone else.)

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't policy lynch people who I know are always going to be awful for being awful because I don't expect anything else from them. I know that you can do better here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah but this isn't about that. This is about you being

scummy

.

[RadiantCowbells]

Everyone's a strong endgame player. Endgame is easier because you have more information than earlier. If you can't do stuff earlier it's because you're not that good.

And frankly it seems like every scum has been claiming PR when they get wagoned so I'm not going to back off you for simply claiming PR.

[RadiantCowbells]

To shoot me and then have all momentum against you die?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm close to 100% sure that I die if no protective roles exist.

[RadiantCowbells]

So you're claiming inventor? Fullclaim.

[RadiantCowbells]

???

I'm just going to lynch you then.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, 99% of the time I lynch you here regardless of what you claim.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay!

[RadiantCowbells]

I have nothing to say because nothing that you said felt town motivated and you just felt like scum who thought that by throwing out a PR claim you'd be able to get rid of the wagon on you.

[RadiantCowbells]

And just give me a night

Because to me your focus isn't on proving that you're town, it's on proving that your PR exists. Which is fundamentally NAI.
I feel like if you were town you'd be more interested in changing my read on you than buying time through a PR claim.

And I don't think town you EVER pulls that crap about not fullclaiming your role because it's not going to get you out of a lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

For activated bulletproofs, sure. Still not a strong PR by any means.

[RadiantCowbells]

I guess it's strictly worse than bulletproofs but inventing bulletproofs would be actually op

not really lol

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean. Sure.

[RadiantCowbells]

It also has a shit ton of scum motivation as a role: commuters to make your teammates investigationproof, trackers to make town think you're town.

[RadiantCowbells]

How does that work in practice? Why would any sane person give commutes to people who might get investigated?

...because if you're scum you give your partners the commute so that they give a no result when they get investigated

[RadiantCowbells]

...yes

so like

u give randomidget the thing n1 cuz hes scummy then he commutes the next night and u give a tracker to town so u get townread

[RadiantCowbells]

Cookie's claim is provable. Doesn't prove him as town, but even if he is scum, we can use him and "get a shiny" out of it.

This isn't how you play the game Chickadee.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay, I'll accept that.

So, let's think about why. "Scum don't fakeclaim miller when there is already a claimed miller in the game" is your real premise, correct?

You didn't realise there was already a claimed miller in the game when you claimed miller.

Therefore that premise does not stand as a reason for why you are not scum.

you don't fakeclaim miller without taking 5 seconds to be like hmm is there a miller claim in this game

[RadiantCowbells]

Cookie's claim is provable. Doesn't prove him as town, but even if he is scum, we can use him and "get a shiny" out of it.

This isn't how you play the game Chickadee.

So it's ok to leash a vig, but not an inventor.

Yea, ok.

Vig is nothing like inventing commuters and trackers T_T

[RadiantCowbells]

WELPPPPPPP

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah this is just a terrible game in general. no way that town wins. we could lynch scum and get a vig on scum and town would still end up losing this when I died.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I just reread the game and yeah there's no hope here.

[RadiantCowbells]

I really don't get why so many people in this game joined this game to not do anything in this game. If you're signing up to play mafia there's a bare minimum of commitment that you are agreeing to.
I'd say that several of you are ruining the game for the other 12 people but there's as many people literally not playing the game as there are actually playing it so you're only ruining the game for like a few people?
And at least a few of those actives are scum and I'm sure they're super happy that you're completely absent slots and making it impossible to vote or wagon anyone over any reasonable amount of time.

Chickadee you complain that I'm taking command but are doing absolutely nothing in terms of providing a new direction so if you're not going to put together a case on someone who isn't town lynchbait in a way that's really obvious to anyone who has played with newbies, I don't understand what you think you're providing to town by unvoting.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like there's 17 hours and there's no counterwagons that aren't literally obvious town and that's a role that, if town, we can afford to lose: what are you expecting to happen?
You think that unless scum were deliberately withholding their votes to keep this slot alive that there's suddenly going to be enough of an influx of votes to get a lynch somewhere else going?

I'm not voting twoinamillion. It's an appallingly bad lynch option. No one has made a defense of CDJ this game- why aren't we lynching them?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like use your head there's no comparison between these roles. Vig gives us essentially an extra mislynch, the commuter might??? keep a slot alive.
Vig is also basically confirmed as NOT!SCUM and also GiF played at the time where 'nk immune miller vig' was a meme so it's not an unreasonable role to exist in the setup.

There's not really time to change the wagon and if you don't think that CDJ is flipping scum then you should focus your efforts on coming up with a good vig shot instead.

Because right now it's shoot Beeboy if this flips town and shoot Randomidget if it flips scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why are you trying to be there rather than just putting your vote down so we don't NL?

[RadiantCowbells]

You can believe his claim while not townreading him.

[RadiantCowbells]

yall can fuck off with that scum were obvscum in late game.

[RadiantCowbells]

you don't get to just "hey im a late game player!!!" and not do anything early

[RadiantCowbells]

Random if scum, Beeboy if town imo

[RadiantCowbells]

Because if this is town my entire readslist is wrong adn we should get rid of someone who is inactive

[RadiantCowbells]

yay

[RadiantCowbells]

i'd like to thank the academy

[RadiantCowbells]

quit now and stay ahead with a 66.67% winrate.

[RadiantCowbells]

ty for carry tarkus